New voting map sparks racial debate

Tue, 08/21/2007 - 6:40pm
By: John Thompson

Pfeifer accuses Frady of redrawing map to aid reelection; Demo chair says, ‘It is about race, pure and simple

In an explosive debate that featured references to the Jim Crow South, the Fayette County Commission voted Monday morning to send new voting district maps to the state reapportionment office.

One commissioner, Peter Pfeifer, charged another, Herb Frady, with gerrymandering Frady’s district to protect against a future challenge from a former opponent.

And a Democratic Party official charged the all-Republican board with trying to keep a black from being elected to the all-white county commission.

The debate also featured Commissioner Eric Maxwell calling out Pfeifer on his reluctance to support the new maps.

“This is not a do-nothing board. If you can’t handle it, you need to step aside,” said Maxwell.

What inspired the fiery rhetoric was a series of new maps drawn for the county’s three commission districts. Currently, three commissioners must live within their districts, but the entire county gets to vote on them. Two of the commission seats are at-large voting, with no requirement to live within a specific boundary.

“We’re trying to equalize the voting population. We’re now down to a difference of about 1,200 in each district,” Frady said.

Executive Assistant Carol Chandler told the board Aug. 9 the first district, represented by Robert Horgan, has 21,491 voters, while Commissioner Herb Frady’s district has 27,655 voters and Peter Pfeifer’s third district has 14,538 voters.

The county submitted new districts to the state’s reapportionment department, but received a new set of maps from the department.

“The state has to go on population from the last Census, which was 91,000,” she said.

The new districts contain populations of 31,115 in the first district, 29,799 in the second and 30,000 in the third.

But Pfeifer was not convinced.

“Why is this change so necessary at this time? We’ve had these lines for decades, if not for over a century. Fayette’s citizens are not having any real problems that are caused by the existing district lines, even if it would be ‘nice’ to have them redrawn and rebalanced. But perhaps some politicians do have their problems,” said Pfeifer.

Pfeifer also noted the idea was initially floated at the Callaway Gardens retreat and spearheaded by Frady.

“Why was a commissioner, who is up for re-election next year, permitted to re-draw the district lines for an entire county of over 100,000 people in a manner that perhaps could be a direct benefit to his reelection campaign?” Pfeifer asked.

But the residents who were present at Monday’s meeting were suspect of the County Commission’s motivations.

Judith Moore, who is the chair of the county’s Democratic Party, blasted the board.

“You hope that this initiative on your part will seduce the United States Department of Justice to overlook your failure to address the issue which has dogged the old South since the Civil Rights era. You hope that the agents of justice will forget about the past when Jim Crow ruled the South and will not look closely at the motivations behind your continued commitment to at-large voting for every member of the Fayette County Board of Commissioners.”

”You will say that you are not motivated by race or racism, but that is hard to believe when you read our local newspapers. ‘Don’t let us become like Clayton County,’ they say. We know what that means. It means that if you let one African-American get elected to the Board of Commissioners, you will ruin this county,” she said.

Moore said the issue boiled down to race.

“It is about what happened in the 1960s. It is about a Democratic president and a Democratic Party who finally had the courage to stand up and say that Jim Crow was wrong and to do something about it.”

“Then Southern Democrats started running like rats from a sinking ship to jump on the Republican bandwagon. Fayette County was once totally Democratic. Now it is totally Republican. We know how this happened. It is about race, pure and simple.”

Chairman Jack Smith said the issue was not about race.

“You have the possibility of the Department of Justice doing something that could dramatically change how we vote, if we don’t do anything. There has never been a comment made about race. I understand that you want district voting, but there is no information showing that anyone has been disenfranchised,” he said.

The board voted to send the maps to the reapportionment office by a 4-1 vote with Pfeifer opposing the measure.

Another issue that drew Pfeifer’s ire was the lack of legal advice on the issue.

“Before the rash decision to fire the county attorney, we could have received some advice regarding the Department of Justice. His advice had been that the county would be opening itself to district voting if we did this. Is this one of the reasons he was fired? Did he give advice that didn’t fit someone’s plans?” Pfeifer wondered.

Maxwell denied the board fired attorney Bill McNally and said that was something Pfeifer and his buddies were spreading.

“It’s a realignment for numbers,” he said.

Maxwell also disputed submitting the maps could “open a can of worms.”

“If we don’t do something, a decision will be forced upon us,” he said.

Frady was also upset about Pfeifer’s assertions.

“Anybody in this county should be able to damn run,” he said.

Moore closed her presentation by urging the county to go to district voting.

“I challenge you to prove me a liar. If you are not afraid of a face a bit darker than your own sitting beside you on the Board of Commissioners, then tell the Georgia General Assembly and the United States Department of Justice that district voting in Fayette County is long overdue. Go on record that you believe a Republican Board of Commissioners should do everything possible to ensure that every voice is heard within the hallowed walls of these chambers.”

Moore was not the only resident in favor of district voting. Alice Jones, who represents the North Fayette Community Association, presented the County Commission calling with a resolution calling for district voting.

“I need someone to truly represent me. We need true representation and and we should have five districts and two at large representatives,” she said.

North Fayette resident Angela Hinton also said the time had come to change the voting procedures.

“At-large voting is mob rule. This is taxation without representation and we need to end the colonial era,” she said.

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Submitted by Judith W Moore on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 2:34pm.

John Thompson wrote a fair and balanced article on the referenced meeting. Below is the full text of my prepared remarks.

Although I am Chair of the Fayette Democratic Committee, I spoke as a private citizen. My remarks do not in any way represent the official view of any part of the Democratic Party. In fact, many Democrats do not agree with my views.

I request that you pay particular attention to the last few paragraphs where I ask the Republicans to be good Republicans, the kind I remember from my childhood.

For the record, I grew up in East Point, GA.

My name is Judith Moore. I am a child of the South. All my people are Southerners as far back as I know. My husband and I have lived in North Fayette County for more than 20 years. Two of our children have made their homes here and are raising their families here.

Fayette County is a great place to live.

Today you are voting to ask for a much needed redistricting of our county. Your stated public motivation is to correct the current imbalance of the number of citizens in each county district. However, there is another motivation that you won’t be talking about today.

You hope that this initiative on your part will seduce the United States Department of Justice to overlook your failure to address the issue which has dogged the old South since the Civil Rights era. You hope that the agents of Justice will forget about the past when Jim Crow ruled the South and will not look closely at the motivations behind your continued commitment to at large voting for every member of the Fayette County Board of Commissioners.

You will say that you are not motivated by race or racism, but that is hard to believe when you read our local newspapers. “Don’t let us become like Clayton County,” they say. We know what that means. It means that if you let one African- American get elected to the Board of Commissioners, you will ruin this county.

The special election which put Bob Horgan in office proved that fear of a black face is the motivating factor in local elections. It’s not about being a Republican. The lone Republican in that special election was an African-American, a lawyer with a commitment to his party evidenced by many years of hard work. Yet, the only white candidate and the only candidate to put his face on his campaign signs, a white face, a man relatively unknown to his own party and without any qualifying credentials, was elected.

There are words you don’t want heard here today. This county was once all Democratic. Now, everybody knows you can’t win a race for dog catcher in this county if you run as a Democrat. You can say it is about tax and spend Democrats. You can say it is about abortion and gays. But we now what it is really about.

It is about what happened in the 1960’s. It is about a Democratic president and a Democratic party who finally had the courage to stand up and say that Jim Crow was wrong and to do something about it.

Then Southern Democrats started running like rats from a sinking ship to jump on the Republican bandwagon. Fayette County was once totally Democratic. Now it is totally Republican. We know how this happened. It is about race, pure and simple.

The old Confederacy was hanging on to a de facto slave system long after the civil war was over. Then the courage of Martin Luther King, Jr. and his followers inspired a president and a party to stand up to the old Confederacy and say, “No more.”

When Republican political operatives offered a safe haven to those who still cherished in their heart of hearts justification for racism, they talked about abortion and gays. But we all know that was just code for racism.

If you, as Republicans one and all, think everything I’ve said here is just playing the race card; if you are here as Republican elected officials who believe in the principals of the old Southern Republican Party before the Civil Rights era; if you believe in personal liberty, private property, free markets, efficient government, and the avoidance of foreign entanglements; then you need to pass a number of resolutions like the one you recently sent to Representative Westmoreland about your concern about the cost of ensuring the integrity of our voting system.

You might start with personal liberty. For instance, you might tell Westmoreland that Republicans have no business in the bedrooms of United States citizens. You could go onto reminding him that free markets should dictate the price of gasoline, not tax breaks and other special privileges that the oil companies enjoy.
You could remind him how President Eisenhower warned us against the Military-Industrial Complex and how we could lose our democracy to the profit imperatives of an economy driven by militarism. This is the Republican Party which won the allegiance of my parents and grandparents when I was a teenager.

Then came the Civil Rights movement, and the Republican Party was suddenly silent. Did they even then understand that a political opportunity was afoot? Did they know that if they played their cards right that they could win the South just because the Democrats would lose it by taking a stand which took moral courage? Did political expediency take the place of political principals? And now where is the Republican Party?

It is led by those who support doing everything they can to reduce the opportunities for minority voices to be heard, the voices of voters who just might take the reins of government away from the now dominant party in the South and until recently also in Washington. If that means a retreat from traditional Republican values, then that’s just the price of power. Forget balanced budgets; forget personal privacy; forget personal liberty; forget free markets; forget the sanctity of the Constitution and the Geneva Conventions. The only sacred ideal of the new Republican Party is to maintain power, whatever the cost.

I challenge you to prove me a liar. If you are not afraid of a face a bit darker than your own sitting beside you on the Board of Commissioners, then tell the Georgia General Assembly and the United States Department of Justice that district voting in Fayette County is long overdue. Go on record that you believe a Republican Board of Commissioners should do everything possible to ensure that every voice is heard within the hallowed walls of these chambers.

Thank you for your time and attention.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 5:00pm.

Although I am Chair of the Fayette Democratic Committee, I spoke as a private citizen. My remarks do not in any way represent the official view of any part of the Democratic Party.

Judy...simply put you are just another shameless and disingenuous NAACP, political, Republicrat, Chamber hack. If you were truly & sincerely speaking as a "private citizen" you would have not brought up the fact that you're the Chairman of such a useless and meaningless county organization.

Now that we got this cleared up you are free to resume your race baiting agenda. Now if I may in honor of the OnlyRealRacist let me introduce the head of the Fayette County Race Baiting Society, the strong, whitey hating woman, Ms. Judith W Moore. Shocked

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Submitted by LifeLongResident on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 4:54pm.

You assume that because a man of southern African descent was not elected that it was a race issue. How absurd! For the record, I voted for the black man and I'm white. I vote issues not color. I have also voted for Alan Keyes.

From my study of the civil rights movement (I am too you to remember much) it was the Southern Democrats fighting against integration, like Al Gore's father and Former Senator Byrd who was a member of the KKK. Republicans pushed the Civil Rights Act through Congress.
Fayette County was once totally Democrat (not Democratic). But the party left her constituents - not the other way around. The Democrat (not Democratic) leadership shifted to a liberal -nay, socialist - agenda. It started with FDR's "New Deal" with government being the "solution" to every problem. The only good thing he did was to require people to work for the money that government gave them. LBJ's "Great Society" was just more handouts to garner votes for the Democrats. Almost 40 years of Democrat control of Congress from the 60's to the 90's and Republicans are blamed. Go figure.

You said "It is led by those who support doing everything they can to reduce the opportunities for minority voices to be heard..." You were heard. No one made you leave or shut you up that night, and now your race-baiting rhetoric is in print.

If a person is willing to sacrifice a little freedom to gain a little security, they deserve neither - Ben Franklin


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 4:20pm.

Are you saying that the only way a black person can compete in any election is by "district voting"? If that is what you are saying I take umbridge. That is a horrendous thing to say about any person regardless of race or sex. We are all equal! We have equal capabilities, and to imply that the only way blacks or gays or women can succeed is by "throwning" or "setting up" the vote STINKS! The women, blacks and gays I know are much smarter and more competent than you give them credit for.

You are implying that blacks have isolated themselves to one geographic area? You are implying that they are not good enough or smart enough to compete in open elections? Are you really saying that black people only live in one small portion of Fayette County???? You need to get out more.

When people in Fayette County say they do not want to be another clayton county....it means just that. It has nothing to do with race. It has EVERYTHING to do with crime, and high density section 8 housing. To try and say that we are racist because we hate crime, says alot more about you than it does about the average citizen here.

If you love crime go back to clayton. If you love peace and quiet stay here and help us fight to keep this place safe.

Ps: When anyone refers to the "problems of abortion, and gays",.....that is sexism, it has nothing to do with racism. Stop playing the race card, start to play the crime fighters card!!

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/29/2007 - 2:18pm.

McDawg has some questions for you too.

What is wrong with people who hate crime?? What on earth could be wrong with hating crime?

Play the crime fighting card you will get further in Fayette, by taking an active roll to fight crime.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 2:50pm.

Your letter says..

"You will say that you are not motivated by race or racism, but that is hard to believe when you read our local newspapers. “Don’t let us become like Clayton County,” they say. We know what that means. It means that if you let one African- American get elected to the Board of Commissioners, you will ruin this county."

I don't like Crime, therefore I don't like Clayton County. What exactly does race have to do my question about what is wrong with NOT beign like Clayton County? I grew up in Clayton County, believe me, it started downhill WELL before any Minority ever dreamed of being elected. Anybody in office now in Clayton County inherited a HUGE mess.

You seem to agree that Fayette is a great place to live. Why do you feel that way? Could it possibly be because it is different than other metro Counties? They all seem to be more concerned with their little Kingdoms, what can MY commissioner do for ME. Tell me why your idea is better? And I won't except the answer of "they all do it my way".

Oh yeah, don't assume to know who I voted for in the last election.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 08/24/2007 - 9:50pm.

and it's the exit sign.

Pfeifer, believe me when I tell you "your time is up".

If I were you I'd start now and get the lunch reunion set up with Dunn & Wells.

We were tired of you two years ago but had to wait for this upcoming election.

Ron Mexico has a better chance than you in the next election.

Me, I'm voting for Hack! Now there's a black man that has served his country with honor, is dedicated to family values and he's not a lawyer. That he chooses to call himself a Democrat is his problem.

Best of all, if Hack wins the election he can justify the Corvette to Mrs. Hack because he'll need it for the 4th of July parade. Problem solved.


Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 8:13am.

I agree with you I even think Sam Chapman could win against Peter....I vote for The Hack too

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 08/24/2007 - 9:53pm.

I know if I was him, I wouldn't be. Will be interesting to see if this current Council will choose to enforce the current Land Use plan or move on. I'm hoping they choose to stay the course, but time will tell.

So far, they've raised taxes for the first time in years, way to get off on the "good foot"..

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 6:47am.

Where do you live? My taxes have gone up between 300-500$s every year, here in the lower 9th ward of PTC.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 6:36am.

So far, they've raised taxes for the first time in years, way to get off on the "good foot"..

Our taxes have gone up every year in this county regardless of the spin that Dunn, Wells, & Pfeifer spew on this issue. Ex-commissioners like LawBelowAll love to mislead us "suckers" by claiming that they never raised our taxes. They claim their tax increases are a result of the state's actions of raising the assessment values on our property. What they always fail to leave out is the fact that once these values are declared the county commissioners then set the millage rates that ultimately determine the amount of our tax bills.

So to keep our tax bills from "running away" they lower the millage rate from the previous year and then they "brag and blow" that they reduced the amount of taxes you will pay and then claim your taxes didn't go up. That's hooey. The net results are that our taxes go up (even if modestly) while they pound their chests claiming that they never raise them. Talk about disingenuous. Then if someone complains further they always pull out their final excuse and claim that the reason for the increase wasn't because of the commissioners. They always wind up pinning the entire blame on the school board.

So... when Peter, Greg and LawBelowAll tell you they never raised your taxes I'd suggest you look down at your foot and understand this: In spite of them telling you that it is raining outside know that the fluid bouncing off your feet and sprinkling around you is not rain at all..... it's actually the ex-commissioners peeing on your foot while telling you that it's raining. Eye-wink

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Submitted by lawaboveall on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 8:11am.

So now I am a former commissioner. Ms. Wells seems like a very nice person who, during her tenure, always kept the good of the county as the base for her decisions, but I am not her. Thanks, but you missed the mark again. And you missed alot if you did not realize that the millage rate for this year was NOT rolled back for the first time in 6 years.

I tried to bring this to your attention several weeks ago and you simply said it was hooey.

The budget for the county went up and you are paying for it with higher taxes. If you did not like paying taxes based on the increasing value of your property, then you are really not going to like paying for this budget.

Jack Krakeel has managed to increase the budget, hire 23 more people,
(as the county shrinks), get $3.4 million capital dollars for a emergency services headquarters,(which had been denied for the last several years) and increased,the fire tax on the unincorporated county.

Good start.

Then the commission fires McNally and claims it is done to save money. But wait, the study done shows that, gee, that may not be the case after all. Well, even if we did not save money, we did keep a campaign promise and get ride of 30 years of legal expertise in one fell swoop.

Then they fire the most competent county administrator we have had in years to pay back a political debt and eliminate someone who was too closely aligned with the previous board. Good move.

They fire the county engineer because he was not developer friendly.

Then they go down to Callaway Gardens for a retreat to get away from the prying eyes of those pesky citizens. And we find out it is so they can re-draw the voting district lines to put Herb Frady's opposition in Peter's district. Now the Feds, the Dems and the NAACP are all up in arms and the plan is open for "re-intepretation".

Slick!

You are trying to spin this whole thing as if the previous commission claimed that there was no increase the amount of money you paid in property taxes year to year. I do not think that anyone ever made that claim. I seem to recal they were very clear that the actions they were taking were what could be done to minimize the tax burden and still maintain the expect level of service to county residents.

What was done, up until this year, was that the tax rate was reduced by rolling back the millage rate. That saved you MONEY. If you did not like the result of their action, then go back, re-calculate your taxes for the last six years and write them a check.

Any increase in the amount that you paid was based on the increase in the value of your property. Add that to what the school board has done and you have your tax bill. Would you prefer that you property not appreciate? If that is what you are after then move to Clayton County their taxes are going down because the value of the property is plummenting.

You want to make this about personalities, who you like and dislike.
Let's just talk about money here. And this commission is going to cost you alot more than in years past. Get used to it, it will happen at least one more year before it can be changed.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 7:11pm.

So now I am a former commissioner.

I don't know what you are. You see, there's no doubt though, that if someone chunked a grenade into your foxhole, they'd get not only you, but they'd wipe out a Greg, Linda, Janet, and Peter too. All in one shot. Eye-wink

You are trying to spin this whole thing as if the previous commission claimed that there was no increase the amount of money you paid in property taxes year to year. I do not think that anyone ever made that claim.

Nice try. Indeed they did. I heard it with my own ears. But, understand that I acknowledge that the new regime is just as guilty as your bunch.

Any increase in the amount that you paid was based on the increase in the value of your property. Add that to what the school board has done and you have your tax bill. Would you prefer that you property not appreciate? If that is what you are after then move to Clayton County their taxes are going down because the value of the property is plummenting.

You are sooooo full of IT!!! The final tax bill is determined by the millage rate that the commissioners set and not the property values as you claim. You sound like Al Gore trying to defend global warming.

Most of your babbling above has already been refuted several times and I'm not going to waste any more of time tonight to prove you a liar and a whiner on most of your issues. I'm tired. But, I will say this: McNally being gone is not all about money for many of us. I'm ecstatic that he's gone. CLICK HERE TO SEE WHY MCNALLY NEEDED TO GO.

Now for tonight, that's all I'm going to say about that.

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Submitted by lawaboveall on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 8:48am.

GR,

Give me one example where I have lied, here or on any other post.
Just because you disagree, or because something does not conform to your own view, does not make it untrue. You admit that you have not followed the progress of the budget, etc. but that has not stopped you from charectarizing my posts are whining or hooey. That is a bit disingenouous don't you think?

The final tax bill is indeed, determined by the millage rate. A rate that was adjusted every year, downward, until this year. You say the present bunch is just as guilty. I appreciate your acknowledgement that this current board has done the taxpayers an real injustice. But, if the previous board had down this, you would have been calling for a public flogging! Talking about full of it, your personal agenda against Dunn, McNally et al. has clouded your view to the point of absurdity.

I will say again, since you chose to ignore it, if you did not like what was done with the millage rate in previous years, re-calculate your tax bill and send in the difference. I am sure Jack Krakeel will appreciate your contribution to the cause. Every little bit helps.
Wait until you tax bill shows up and see what a difference a year makes.

I choose to point out continued examples of how this Board of Commissioners is charting a path of increased taxes, gerrymandering voting districts, firing competent employees for political reasons,making unnecessary capital expenditures, etc. Call me the self appointed "thorn in their side". I did not like what they said during the campaign last year and they have done nothing to change my opinion. In fact, the speed and recklessness displayed in their handling of the issues before them has re-inforced my opinion. You can call it whining, sour grapes or whatever you wish in an attempt to badger people away from this site. It won't work and it does not change the facts.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/28/2007 - 10:01am.

The final tax bill is indeed, determined by the millage rate. A rate that was adjusted every year, downward, until this year.

The bottom line is: That a tax increase is a tax increase. Your bunch may have adjusted downward the millage rate but it STILL left us with a tax increase. Period. End of story.

You say the present bunch is just as guilty. I appreciate your acknowledgement that this current board has done the taxpayers an real injustice.

Yes, Just like the previous board raised our taxes. So what's your point?

But, if the previous board had down this, you would have been calling for a public flogging!

The previous board DID raise our taxes. So stop being so derned pious.

Talking about full of it, your personal agenda against Dunn, McNally et al. has clouded your view to the point of absurdity.

If only you knew how personal it really ain't. Eye-wink It doesn't matter who they are I despise phony political hacks. Past and present. As for the current regime..... Yes, I wanted a change and I stand by that thinking. If these guys turn out to be a bunch of self serving hacks like many of their predecessors were then I'll work to unseat them too. Hey.... They're in charge right now and we'll soon enough see the results of their agendas. Soooo.. sit back and relax and think of it this way. Give them enough rope and perhaps they'll hang themselves. This should give you great joy.

If my votes for the current regime turn out to be disappoint then so what. I'm used to it. Over the years I put my hopes in Westmoreland, Chance, Seabaugh, Dunn, Bost, Wells, Maxwell, Smith, Bush, and many more self serving hacks that I had believed in and had hoped would do the right things after being elected. Yeesh.... Sad

Now Janet, What say you about THIS? - CLICK HERE

But then again why would I ask. It's understandable that it's ok if he's a bad guy as long as he's your bad guy. Eye-wink

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 8:01am.

I was under the impression they raised the millage rate. I guess I'm just a misguided soul. IF I'm wrong, point me to where the millage rate was kept the same or reduced.

The previous guys are gone, let it go. Let's talk about what's going on NOW.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 4:38pm.

I was under the impression they raised the millage rate. I guess I'm just a misguided soul. IF I'm wrong, point me to where the millage rate was kept the same or reduced.

I think you misunderstood what I was trying to point out. I didn't say the latest bunch of characters cut the millage rate. I'm clueless as to what they've done to increase our taxes as everyone has said. That will all become clear very soon to me as I study up on what Jack & Co. did.

Now listen closely. The reference I was trying to make was that in the past Greg, LawBelowAll, & Peter tried to fool us into thinking that they were not responsible for raising our taxes. They claim (and they are right about this) that the state increased the property values. After that our final tax bill is determined ultimately by the millage rate that the commissioners set. Your babies (as you referred to them as)lowered the millage rate a tad and tried to tell us that it wasn't there fault that the taxes increased. If they desired to be truthful they would have lowered the millage rate further to insure that we wouldn't have had an increase. The point being that they were in "full control" of the tax increase process.

Hey McDawg,

I'm not denying that our taxes are going up with this new bunch. I was merely pointing out the fact that they've gone up under every regime we've had. Including the babies you wish we would have kept.

No offense Mr. Dawg but I get tired of many here trying to portray the illusion that all the past commissioners never raised taxes. And that includes your babies. Come to think of it Puzzled it's always those same babies that tend to perpetuate that lie.

So NOW that we've established that ALL of our commission hacks both past and (I guess) present have increased out taxes we can move onto agreeing that we do need to protect our land use plan. Can we agree on this? Smiling

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Submitted by tonto707 on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 9:57am.

Bulls**t!!

The Dunn brigade writing letters and organizing marches, a la to Horgan's office to confront him about his voting with the new board.

Or going en masse to the Citizen Daily News complaining about 'unbalanced' reporting.

Of course they are not gone, they are the 21st century version of Bob Craft. Look for these morons to try and influence everything they can in the future.

Git Real had it about right, cept the net M&O millage rate for the county actually went down. Values have always increased and so has taxes and spending. And yes, it is smoke and mirrors for Dunn to crow about not raising taxes when in fact taxes went up. Possibly he was right to the extent that millage rates didn't increase every year but he ain't smart enough to understand or explain that.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 08/24/2007 - 10:08pm.

Raising taxes was defiantly not a good way to start things off.

I don't personally have the information as to the justification for that change. However I'm not all that surprised by it. As you say, taxes haven't been raised in years and expenses have no doubt gone up for just about everything.

It's not uncommon to inherit a bad situation from the start.

As far as the land use plan, someone is going to have to go long and far to justify changing it to me.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 08/24/2007 - 10:16pm.

we have have thrown out the baby with the bathwater. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

You're last sentence is spot on.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 6:43am.

You're last sentence is spot on.

Thanks McDawg. You standing up and defending "our" land use plan means much. Especially from a guy that loves to render aid and assistance to wounded developers and pols. Eye-wink

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 7:57am.

I've been one of the staunchest defenders of the land use plan on this board. And yes, I did back the previous Commmissioners, mainly for their stance on said land use plan. Obviously, that wasn't good enough for many.

I've said over and over again, stay with the plan.

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 4:54pm.

The problem, McDawg, is that adherence to the Plan is not enough. You have been a supporter of TDK and you have been soft of sewer. These make intense development inevitable.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 8:33am.

I came from an area that refused to address roads (Henry County), and it was one of the main reasons I left, that and too much multi family housing, along with other things. Gridlock isn't a pretty thing.

I have and will continue to say that access across Line Creek into Coweta will be a HUGE issue for this area. I think most everyone was behind TDK being built UNTIL Coweta opened the bag on the HUGE development just over the line. It made everyone pause (myself included), and take a look around. Even Coweta Commissioners placed limits on what they would allow in the area if TDK wasn't built. I think so far PTC Council is doing exactly what I would do. Put the project on hold. Let Coweta sort out access for their citizens. 4 laning 154 and possibly Fisher is probably the best bet for everyone at this point.

Regarding Sewer and PTC, the loss of Photocircuits income is still being sorted out. I'm not for selling our sewer capacity per say, but I don't think it will slow down any of the nearby towns one bit, they'll hook up elsewhere or build their own. But when rates start up on our Sewer, don't be surprised.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 4:50pm.

I've been one of the staunchest defenders of the land use plan on this board.

I acknowledge that and am thankful you fight on the side of the land use plan. Smiling

Git Said: "Especially from a guy that loves to render aid and assistance to wounded developers and pols".

I think this is what you meant to get defensive about. Now these words I stand by. Even though you do stand by the land use plan you also tend to defend the actions of the majority of the developers and pols.

I do acknowledge that you have also stood against several of the big box fiascos. We're not that far apart on all this Dawg. Have a good day sir.

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 8:24am.

One of us wouldn't be needed. Smiling

Fight the good fight...

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 6:46pm.

Does that mean I have to go? Puzzled

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Submitted by rabarr on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 6:21pm.

The charges by the Democratic chair are quite ridiculous. She is interchanging PARTISAN politics with RACIAL politics. I don't blame her. It "works every time".

Let us be honest for a second. Most Black folks have moved to Fayette County to take advantage of the good schools, the low rate of crime and the general quality of life that this county offers. The fact is that Blacks of means like this "Conservative community" but are not willing to let go of their DEMOCRATIC loyalties. I am a Black man. I am an INDEPENDENT. My main goal, however, is to free my people from the forces that I call the "Black Quasi-Socialist Progressive-Fundamentalist Racism Chasers" that have my people beholden to false dreams.

The sad fact is that CLAYTON COUNTY is indeed a reference for what Fayette County should NOT become. A new coin operated laundry will soon open in the Texaco plaza just outside of Fayette County. Ms. Moore substitutes "Black" when she should really say "Democrat" with respect to Clayton County's problems. Only a few short miles separates our two counties but the differences could not be more clear in our schools, in our public safety in our "police/community" relations. The fact remains, Ms. Moore as well as my self and many other Africa Americans have moved to Fayette as CONSUMERS of AN EXISTING ENVIRONMENT. When it comes time to acknowledge the values of Fayette that she was attracted to, however, Ms Moore has not gotten around to questioning if her own PARTY'S IDEOLOGY as being a part of the problem in Clayton and that the citizens in Fayette rightfully don't want to follow suit.

Is there racial correlation between Clayton and Black people? OF COURSE. I was not born yesterday. I will assure you though that if North Clayton was a solid Black Republican voting bloc that the proposed boundaries would be quite different.

I wonder why Ms. Moore doesn't point to the tactics by the White DEMOCRATS in Clayton County a few years ago to "gerrymander" the majority Black city of Riverdale in order to keep their seats? It was the sole Black member at the time, Virgina Grey who refused to go along with the attempts of these FELLOW DEMOCRATS TO MAINTAIN THEIR SEATS using similar tactics. Why is it an example of "Jim Crow" in Fayette but not the same in Clayton?

Ms. Moore details the scramble from the Democratic party by Whites the the Republican party. She would be better served by coming to grips with why even Black people are "running like rats from a sinking ship" out of Clayton County into Fayetteville now that her party has continued their monopoly control of Clayton County despite the change in the racial composition?

Ronald Barr

Submitted by Southside Born on Sat, 08/25/2007 - 10:27am.

Some one please remind me, is this 2007? I find it hard to believe that we are having to engage in a discussion about fair representation of taxpayers. It's unbelievable that when people ask to be fairly represented, we get an elected Commissioner to respond by saying that's going to "open up a can of worms." Is Mr. Maxwell afraid to deal with contentious issues head on? Is he afraid his true colors will show? When the people who voted for him bring up an issue of concern to them, is that "opening up a can of worms." Our Board clearly does not reflect the make-up of our population. Just take a look at the picture posted at this link. Fayette's changed, so must this Board!!!! http://www.admin.co.fayette.ga.us/administration/boc/info_boc.htm

Southside Born

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 9:03pm.

Thank you for your voice of sanity, and helping us fight crime in Fayette. Thank you for being strong.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 08/23/2007 - 7:34am.

Mr. Rebar, or ribbed steel--as we call him, isn't real! Sorry to have to tell you.
His spiel was concocted just to see if you all would fall for an obvious ploy, just because it said what you wanted to hear!
Now, tell Mr. Rebar (Uncle Tom) to be a nice boy and be quiet for awhile.

Submitted by rabarr on Thu, 08/23/2007 - 9:49am.

DollarADayAndFound:

I am indeed a REAL person and I am "keeping it real".
You see - IN YOUR VIEW I "attacked Black people" with my words.
In truth - I attacked Democrats who have a particular IDEOLOGY who are also Black. This makes me an "Uncle Tom" in your view. I don't try to win "Brother of the Year" with YOU serving as the judge. This would be a folly similar to a Black man seeking justice from an All White jury during the Jim Crow times that your Party leader in Fayette County talked about. I am not working for your approval.

I do not agree with all of the responses to my words. If I tell the truth and people choose to "take it run with it" with their own agenda - this is THEIR problem, not mine. This is the essential problem with people who think as you do. How about defining your standards BEFORE you enter into a debate and then you will fight FOR what you believe rather than fighting AGAINST what your attackers position is, at times fighting against what you believe because you have not defined yourself in advance of the conflict.

I believe that Emory Wilkerson - the Black man who is a Republican was the most qualified candidate to get elected for the county board in that particular election. While it may be true that there was only one White candidate running along with 4 Black ones and thus the "White vote" was not split - resulting via coordination or happenstance....the fact remains that few voters bothered to show up to the polls to support the candidate in their favor.

In summary the Democrats need to "pick their battles more carefully". As we stack rank the major challenges on the Southside (Henry, Clayton, Coweta and Fayette) - Fayette's At Large Voting system does not rank in the top 5 of threats.

If only the Democrats could focus on the more SUBSTANTIAL problems rather than the more POPULAR problems - Clayton County just might thrive. We fight "external fights" against White folks AT TIMES far better than we "manage our INTERN human resources" to achieve a different end. Certainly Clayton is just as much of a Democratic strong hold as Fayette is a Republican one.

In my view a better definition of an "Uncle Tom" is a person who fails to address the real problems in the Black community, never questioning the POPULAR ideology that fails to produce effective change WITHIN but instead he moves out his Democratic stronghold and only talks about how unfair Fayette County is to his party's interests and this they are "racists".

While indeed the At Large System should be retired in time - the threat of geographic factionalism needs to be addressed. For some strange reason, despite all of its flaws - many people, including myself saw value in moving into Fayette.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:24am.

Welcome! I hope you will continue to post comments here. Smiling
Don't pay any attention to dollar, he just needs a nap. Smiling


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 08/23/2007 - 12:42pm.

Sio now it is "Mr." Barr?

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 8:39pm.

For what it's worth I'm proud to have you as a neighbor. Welcome Sir! Smiling

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 7:13pm.

Well done. I grew up in Clayton County, this guy has has ducks in a row.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 10:09am.

Why are you so concerned about the skin color of the person who represents you? Sounds racist to me.

The big issue in Fayette County is C-R-I-M-E!! I have said this before...I HATE CRIME, I DON'T CARE WHAT COLOR IT IS!! Smiling


Submitted by Dalmation195 on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 5:05am.

I AM MOVING!!!!!

Just as soon as I can get my home on the market and sell it, I am out of here. You guys that are the Dunn/Wells/Pfeifer crowd will agree with the Democrats to see that something this board wants is trashed.

UNBELIEVABLE!

It only takes "WALKING AROUND SENSE" to know that if there are a specified number of districts, then the population should be equally represented in each district. It is not rocket science here folks.

All of you need to wake up and quit being kids now.

Peter, I suppose that since you feel your days being numbered, you will see just how moronic you can act up until then.

The attitude of Dunn and Wells got them kicked out of office. Peter, you might want to reconsider who voted for Maxwell and Smith. They will also be the same ones who will not vote for you.

You disappointment me. Open your eyes.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 9:29am.

I never said anything needed trashing or that the Democrats need to get their way. Not sure where you are coming from here. I did question why this even needed to be brought up, and I think that's a fair question. I also questioned what is wrong with NOT being like Clayton County.

Submitted by lawaboveall on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 8:25am.

You are so intent on jumping on anyone that supports the former commissioners that you do not read what was written.

What I said was that, had it not been for Herb bringing this issue up, NONE of this would have happened. It had been settled. The issue was dead. There is not now, nor has there ever been a hint that the feds were going to step in on this issue. District voting is now fair game because of Frady's action and the support from Maxwell et al.

I agree that the districts should approach equality. But in this case, with county wide representation, the districts are really relevant in the qualification process. These people are elected by the entire county, and represent the entire county.

I do not want to move, I do not want you to move, I like things the way they WERE and hope that we can keep them that way.

I am not sure what attitude you are referring to here. I merely stated the obvious, Herb has opened a can of worms and there will be no good at the end of it.

If you need to move, blame Frady.

Submitted by Dalmation195 on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 10:21am.

Don't you really think that if the districts do not have some parity, then someone will SCREAM that they have been disenfranchised because they live in a district with 30% or so more populace?

The districts needed to be pared, and now is as good of a time as any to do it. It is not a race issue. Frankly, there is not enough of a minority population in Fayette County for a minority to be elected based solely on skin color. It does not matter what the race is of the person, only that that individual is the best qualified for the position, and that that person believes in the same principles that the voter does. As a matter of fact, I would welcome someone of color to be elected to the Commission, as long as that person supported limited growth in the county along with lowering (or at least keeping the taxes the same)taxes. I want that person to be a good steward of all of our money that we pay for the services that we receive.

Unfortunately, Democrats do not believe in these principles, and that is why a Democrat will not get elected in Fayette County for many years to come. It has absolutely nothing to do with race or skin color. Nationally, the minorities (all of them) need to have an epiphany and realize that everyday normal Americans want to keep more of the money that they earn, not have their moral (albeit less than in previous generations) lifestyles invaded and criticized and be left alone by government to live their lives as they choose. We do not a village to help us.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 6:57am.

I have a better idea. Let's get Judith Moore to move. She is obviously unhappy being a triple minority in our white bread male-dominated Republican county.

Her contention that we have to exclude 4/5 of the white voters just so we can get one representative of color elected to what is now Horgan's district is racist in the extreme. What doesn't someone call her out on that?

As I recall, Horgan had 4 or 5 black candidates run against him. Why not just one? Are the Democrats that uncoordinated? They should pick one and only one to run against Horgan. Then you could have a black vs. white election and settle this finally, sort of like a shootout in the streets of the wild wild west.


Submitted by lawaboveall on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 9:48am.

First, it would appear that Ms. Moore is only a single minority in this county. She is a democrat. There are more women than men, and she appears to be of the Caucasian persuasion (based on her picture).
Her motivations are exclusively political. She knows that under the present circumstances there is no chance that a democrat (black, white, native american, east indian etc.) can get elected in this county. That is reality.

Realignment of the voting districts will not, in all liklihood, result in a minority candidate being elected to the county commission. The statistics do not support there being enough democrats or minorities that take the trouble to vote to allow this to happen.

My concern with district voting lies with the possibility of commissioners being elected by district rather than county wide as is presently the case. If we begin to vote strictly by district for these three posts (or however many more people the feds try to foist upon us) then there will be partisan voting, kingdom building and political gamesmanship on a scale that we have never experienced.

At present, I sincerely believe that the five commissioners take into account their entire county constituency when considering the matters before them. If we had voting by district, it would result in backroom deals, "you scratch my back, I will scratch yours" decision making by the commission and factionalism that will result in government by compromise. In short, Clayton County.

This move by Frady has brought us closer to this than ever before.
The lack of experience among the other commissioners has not allowed them to see the impact of their support of this proposal. It would have been nice if they had waited awhile or maybe gotten some LEGAL advice.

As I said before, Way to go Herb. Your legacy is now secure.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 6:41pm.

I think you are way above Ms. Moore's intellectual plane and have taken the argument much higher than she can envision. Yes indeed, regional representation and voting will result in turf wars and back-scatching. That is pretty much what is wrong at the federal level. God knows we don't need that here.

Janet, you are right. I may have been wrong in responding to the racial part of the argument. I'll try and do better.

See you at the concert, babe. And keep up the good work.

And, no Herb does not have a legacy, nor will he get one.


Submitted by depdawg on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 11:45pm.

Lets all just sell ours houes, reannex it, and call it Lower Riverdale, or possibly West Jonesboro, they have fancy sounding names. Fancy enough to match that Escalade on them 24's!!!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:52pm.

Did you pull the race card in grade school when another kid had a toy you wanted to play with??? Based on your behavior as adults I think I already know the answer!!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:47pm.

Judy why do you assume that because we hate crime in Fayette that we are white?? Shouldn't every decent citizen hate crime?? What does a hate and fear of crime have to do with race??

We don't want murder here

We don't want drugs here

We don't want gang violence here

We don't want armed robberies here

We don't want home invasions here

We don't want car theft here

Why does that make us racist?? Why do you assume that we are racist because we hate crime?? Are you saying that most crime is commited by people of color and therefore since we hate crime we are racist?? Why are you saying that?? Think about your message because it really stinks.

Why do assume that a black person could never win and election here unless we throw the voting by breaking it up into districts?? What a terrible thing to say about any person of color. Do you really think that people of any color can't compete on equal footing as citizens here?? You are the one saying this, when you want to skew or throw an election by breaking it down into small districts.

County wide voting has always worked for us. We have been able to keep crime low. Do you like crime?? Are things better in clayton/fulton/dekalb?

Your hate of whitey is showing. We aren't in the 60's anymore, you are the only one who thinks we are. Most of us have grown up and moved on.

Success is a choice not a birthright.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 2:03am.

Might I suggest we re-district, voting by Methodists (or Baptists, or Epistols, or presbys) and by Catholics, and by Jews, and by Muslims, Hindus, Sics, Buddhists, Mormons, and American Indians, rather than by color of skin?
Religion seems to be the thing in the middle-east!
Since we want religion in government anyway (Christian, I think) maybe this would either do that, or maybe prevent it.
Atheists, Agnostics, and followers of Tom Cruise would by necessity be left out of a Christian government. Utah would be the place for them.
Voting should be for white million $ landowners only. Even if they fit into agnostics.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 5:52am.

You don't consider the Mormons Christians? Then what are they?

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 8:04am.

I don't know what they are!
Ask the Pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury, they may know.
Something about Joe Smith, golden plates, and souls in the sky, I think. There is a University named after one of them, and they have a "Prophet" in Utah. There that is my extent of knowing. Oh, and they sing together in a big church. We can't go into some of it, though. Oh, and the New Jerusalem will be in the USA, probably in Utah.

Submitted by tikigod on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 1:35am.

I always thought that Clayton County would be a great casestudy in how NOT to run a county.

seriously

Submitted by dkinser on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:25pm.

While I do not advocate racism, what I read here from Ms. Moore and Ms. Jones sounds strikingly similar, but in this case, it seems to fit their needs so it is OK.

Both base their statements upon the assumption that if district voting is decided upon, or forced upon; in Fayette County, that a black district will be created.

What if that doesn't happen? What if the districts are drawn up, approved by the U.S. Justice Department and there remains no predominantly black district?

Both assume that a Caucasion, Latino, Asian, or any other ethnic group cannot represent them unless they are Black. Personally, I find that insulting. I don't have to be of color to understand needs, nor desires.

But I do vote, I am given my voice and when my candidate(s) of choice do not win, I don't cry foul and take it personal.

I had my vote, as it was meant to be. One person, one vote. You will not always win, but you do get a voice.

Dana Kinser

Submitted by thebeaver on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:03pm.

She doesn't want people voted into office based on their qualifications to lead, she wants people voted into office based on the color of their skin.
With all of the crime in Crimedale and dysfunction in the Crimedale government, she comes across as a real moron when she makes idiotic statements like this - (”You will say that you are not motivated by race or racism, but that is hard to believe when you read our local newspapers. ‘Don’t let us become like Clayton County,’ they say. We know what that means. It means that if you let one African-American get elected to the Board of Commissioners, you will ruin this county,” she said.) We DON'T want to become like Clayton County. It's a crime-ridden, dysfunctional cesspool? And Moore has the gaul to insinuate it's race related? I guess that's the answer to everything - pull out the race card.

Submitted by lawaboveall on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:28pm.

Now we know why the commissioners had to go to Callaway Gardens for the retreat. They were afraid that the stuff they talked about would become public knowledge before they had a chance to set things in motion on the re-districting issue.

I am ready to be lambasted by all you anti- Dunn/Wells bloggers, but I have to say it. This is the straw that breaks the camels back.

Pfieffer is right. This is issue should never have seen the light of day. It was settled successfully when the district voting proposal died in the legislature last year. There was no need to bring this up now. No good reason to pursue changing the boundary lines at all. Now this board has opened the county up for changes on a scale that will be unprecedented, all dictated by our friends the FEDS!

Frady, in his bid to insure his re-election, has put into motion a process that will dismantle the voting process that has stood the test of time (and the courts)for many years. Now the Feds will look at it and say "since they want to change it, let's look at district voting, let's add people to the commission, let's duplicate the chaos and divisiveness that charecterizes the county commissions in Clayton and Fulton Counties". We were different, but soon we will be just like the rest.

Maxwell says that this is not a do nothing commission. He is oh so right. They have done so much is such a short time to ruin this county, we will not be able to survive until charlatens like Frady, Horgan and Maxwell can be voted out.

Submitted by tikigod on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 1:26am.

Who in their right mind would even want to risk the possibility of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT dictating our local political process!!!!!! ill tell you who, someone who cares more about re-election that the place they represent.

Agreeing with Dawg, I never once heard of a worthy reason to get rid of Dunn/Wells. The county seemed to be growing at a very reasonable pace. I had no complaints. In the realm of politics, thats a rare occurrence that you should cherish, not remove.

Sounds like this will be a foolish move.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:36pm.

I told folks they were throwing out the baby with the bath water. All I heard was Dunn/Wells have to go. I asked over and over, what so bad about what they've done...oh well..

Why alert the Feds and stir up the likes of Judith Moore?

Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:17pm.

someone tell Judith Moore that one of the districts proposed contained the majority of blacks in the county and would offer an excellent opportunity for a black candidate to win? And did anyone remind her that the county has only a 16% black population, which doesn't suggest any mandate for black representation on the board?

Moving on, it sounds like Phool Pfeifer is really worried about his own butt, or better still, a seat for his master Dunn.

Submitted by lawaboveall on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:32pm.

You try making a comment about these issues without insulting the only voice on the commission that is making any sense. When the district voting becomes a reality, you tonto, and the rest of you guys will be screaming bloody murder. You can thank Frady for all of this.

Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:17pm.

don't go getting testy. Didn't you read the report? The lines proposed were actually drawn by the feds, and no mention of district voting. Stop crying wolf, Janet, your credibility sucks already.

Submitted by lawaboveall on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 10:00am.

First of all, I am not Janet Dunn. Nice lady, but I am not her.

Secondly, this has nothing to do with the lines being drawn to even out the populations (drawn by the state not the feds )in the districts. I don't have a problem with that.

I have a problem with Frady taking it upon himself to redraw the lines. I don't care if he did it to eliminate an opponent from running against him. I would not be suprised because that would be typical Frady, do what is best for him and to hell with the rest of us.

The problem here has to do with being willing to open up to federal review the entire process. If you think that this will stop at the state level then you do not have a minimal grasp of how this process works. The feds will take a look, and they can, at their discretion, begin the process of forcing the district voting. This is a can of worms that has been opened strictly for the benefit of one person and that is wrong.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:15pm.

Exactly what is wrong with NOT wanting Fayette County to become what Clayton County has become? Crime issues, school issues, ridiculous lawsuits, you name it, Clayton County has it.

Oh yeah, they have district voting too, why not move over and enjoy it?

Submitted by onlyrealcat on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:14pm.

tell it like it is. we are here to stay and we shall overcome! democrats are here and we staying long and strong!

The only real cat in town

Submitted by thebeaver on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:38pm.

Overcome what - Good Schools, good quality of life, low crime. Is that what you want to "overcome"?

Submitted by onlyrealcat on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:42pm.

being disinfranchised. we are going to share the wealth in town now. get use to it.

The only real cat in town

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 11:51am.

That's the way you come across.

Submitted by 30YearResident on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 11:24am.

Let me get this straight...
- The Civil Rights Movement was to provide:
- Equality to all
- A colorless society
- Equal Opportunity to all
- On People equal under the law
- An End to segregation

I'm sure I've left out some points, but does that about sum it up?

Now you're asking:
- To be represented by a black person:
Isn't that segregation? Isn't that turning the clock back?

- To "Share the Wealth".
That one confuses me even more. Do you mean that you want quotas and for blacks to be given a "percentage" of all county jobs and contracts? Aren't "quotas" wrong? or is it only wrong when it benefits whites? Just curious (as well as confused)
Shouldn't folks "EARN" that?

- If you want to have a black elected, then nominate someone with good ideas for everyone (not just for one race). Nominate someone that wants to continue keeping Fayette County a good place to live and raise kids. Nominate a candidate that wants to move the county forward, not make it a county of quotas and percentages. Nominate a candidate that supports the goals and ideals of the majority of the people of this county....
Oh, I forgot, you're a socialist democrat that thinks conservatives are evil. But then again, we are a county of conversatives.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 1:52am.

You will share in proportion to what you pay and contribute!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 9:02pm.

Lazy people get nothing.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:58pm.

"we are going to share the wealth in town now." -- By "share" you mean "take by government force," which really means "steal." Or do you plan to "take" it yourself at gunpoint?

Just whose wealth do you plan to steal?

We don't plan to "get use[d] to it"! We, the decent citizens, plan to fight your mindset with everything we have.

Go to N. Korea and "share" in the bounties there.

Denise, get your guns!!!


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Submitted by Emmyjune on Thu, 08/23/2007 - 10:14am.

My thoughts exactly, Denise... You want to throw in on the purchase of a Che Guevara t-shirt for onlyrealcat?

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Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:57pm.

You have it pretty good here. No crime. Good schools. If clayton county is better go back. If you stay, fight crime with us, and drop the attitude.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 2:13am.

Have you ever noticed that if one fails to clean a cat's litter, he will mess in the floor or go elsewhere?

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:54pm.

Hello there you BIGOT. Smiling How's our resident "single issue" racist doing tonight.

Let me make a suggestion to you if your desire is to "share the wealth in town now". Get an education, assimilate and quit acting like the pompous racist {{{{EDITED}}}} that you are.

The only reason that YOU remain a poor peon is because you can't take yourself away from your "making excuse sessions" long enough to apply yourself in a manner that will cause you to make decisions that will earn the wealth that you so covet. Remember..... only economic race baiting losers seek their wealth from and through government actions.

OnlyRealRacist - enslaved and in bondage to her servant [Uncle Sam] Eye-wink

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by thebeaver on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:49pm.

By the way, who are you refering to when you say "we"?

Submitted by thebeaver on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:46pm.

You don't even know what disenfranchised means. Were you denied the right to vote? Let me guess, the answer is no.

Don't blame me, I voted for Herman Cain - one of the great Republican leaders of our fair state.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:58pm.

My Man! Smiling

But you have to understand that Herman is really a white guy who Sheriff Johnson painted black in order to run for Senate years ago as an Uncle Tom. Remember... the real goal is to haul people like OnlyRealRacist in so they can be processed...... in the cannery.

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 9:48pm.

A Horatio Alger Award Recipient, Herman grew up in Georgia with wonderful parents and little else. Herman's father worked three jobs - a chauffeur, barber and janitor because he wanted his sons to have "a little better start in life." As a result of his dad's encouragement, Herman earned a bachelor's degree and master's degree and would succeed at the highest levels of corporate America.

Join Herman on "The Herman Cain Show" each Saturday from Noon – 2 pm Eastern Time, or click the "Listen Live" logo below to listen live on your computer. "The Herman Cain Show" originates from News-Talk 750 AM WSB in Atlanta.

Just a few of his accomplishments (despite his being black Eye-wink ):

* Former Chairman of Godfather's Pizza, Inc.. after serving as CEO and President for ten years, 1986 - 1996. In 1988 he bought the company from The Pillsbury Company

* Past Chairman and Member of the Board of Directors for the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City

* Former Chairman and President of the Tax Leadership Council, the public educational component of Americans for Fair Taxation

* Past Chairman of the Board of the National Restaurant Association (1994-1995), and former full time CEO and President of the Association (1996-1999)

* Serves on the Boards of Directors of AGCO, Inc., Aquila, Inc., Georgia Chamber of Commerce, Reader's Digest Association, Inc., Hallmark Cards Inc., Whirlpool, Inc., and Morehouse College, Atlanta, Georgia

* 2003 candidate for the Republican nomination for United States Senate from Georgia

Hard work + determination + good character = success

Quit whining and blaming everyone else for your failures!


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Submitted by tortugaocho on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:37pm.

Isn't that sexist? Why not just say "strong, proud people"....I think you are generalizing based on gender. I am offended. I am going to organize a parade.


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:21pm.

Now go away. Sticking out tongue

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by onlyrealcat on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:24pm.

The only real cat in town

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Submitted by tortugaocho on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:34pm.

This is all about responsible government and avoiding what would be a great disruption by the Justice Department and once they are here they will not go away and they will drive up our expenses.

Look at Randall Johnson for an example of the wisdom of what Smith is saying. The Feds have never messed with Randall's jail. Thank goodness. Our costs would have skyrockted. Instead, Randall has kept it clean and proper.

Smith is right. Fix it. Be sensible.


Submitted by lawaboveall on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:39pm.

You can thank the previous county commission for Randall's jail.

It was those people you love to hate, Greg Dunn and Linda Wells along with Peter Pfieffer and the late A G Vanlandinham that made that happen. As I recall Frady almost derailed the entire thing by trying to change the funding model. Had he done so it would have been two more years before it was completed and the county would have be paying fines DAILY. The county was on the verge of a federal mandate to fix the problem. Those good public servants made it happen. Or have you forgotten?

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:09pm.

Careful there, Janet, patting yourselves on the back, maybe causing yourself Tommy John surgery.

While Greg and Linda built the jail, they also built the obscenely opulent Taj Mahal. We needed a modest new courthouse not a Little Pentagon.


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 2:04pm.

Hey -I'm still waiting for an answer on why Greg/Linda and the gang could not put up a cinder block building instead of marble walls and floors. The Taj Mahal (aka Justice Center) is supposed to be connected to a JAIL not a 4-star hotel!

For that matter I could use help on why 6 deputies are crammed into the security room when the courts are not in session.

Won't even go into why do the Judges need showers and locker rooms.

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the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.
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Submitted by lawaboveall on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 2:33pm.

Getting carried away with our hyberbole are we not there Paul?

If you think the jail is a four star hotel then do not invite me on your next vacation.

Times have changed and the day of the "bread and water, cinder block, grey bar motel are over. That is the way it is.
If they had put a cinder block building the county would spend the rest of the money on lawsuits from prisoners who would be claiming inhuman conditions. That is precisely why the new jail building was built in the first place, to fix a problem before the feds stepped in to mandate what the building would look.

If you have to spend the money to fix a problem, fix it and fix it for the long haul. Don't put a bandaid on a gunshot wound. FIX IT. That is exactly what was done and done correctly.

Do you have a clue how much money was being spent on the makeshift courtrooms, the dispersed personnel who could not communicate, the waste of time transporting prisoners to court etc. All of that has been eliminated by a well planned and well executed justice center.

As far as your question about the deputies, that answer should come from Randall. He is in charge of security at the courthouse. Does he have too many people in there when court is not in session?

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 5:05pm.

Somehow he gets away with alot of things I wish we had here.

One of my favorites is when he tells the prisoners it costs him more to feed the police dogs than what he spends feeding prisoners.

I love that guy. If we had a DA here that supported our sheriff, he could do the same thing sheriff Joe does on a routine basis.

Visit Sheriff Joe at www.MCSO.com click on the sheriff's dept link That guy has got it going on!!

Submitted by lawaboveall on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 10:14am.

Obscenely opulent.

Nice turn of phrase, but not accurate. First of all the jail was built to be state of the art, expandable as the need arose, available to meet the needs to the county long after you and I are dust, and addressed the needs of the Sheriff, the Clerk of Courts, the Superior and state courts etc. That is the right way to build something. Make the investment for the future with an eye toward the future.

What you see as opulence (marble floors for example) translates to decades before they need to be replaced, low maintenance (compared to other options). I am not sure what modest means when it comes to municipal buildings. You are aware that this building will eventually house the commission offices, and replace the Stonewall complex right?

When you buy something do you always buy the cheapest thing you can find and then complain when it does not last?

You are now free to make your comment about the showers for the judges as the example of wasted tax monies, but the reality of the situation is that this building is well designed, well equipped and over the long run cost effective. By the way it was built on time and under budget.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/22/2007 - 1:49am.

Do any of you have any idea how much per year we pay in taxes to pay off these two monstrosities?
Is there 40 more years to pay?
I don't expect anyone in City Hall to answer this!

Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 8:08pm.

I believe it was Harold Bost that set the ball in motion for the new jail, Dunn/Wells/Pfeifer were me too ers at the time. But Bost did it only because Randall pushed him,in the face of possible orders from the federal courts.

Pushing the financing through ACCG channels was a smart way to get it done and avoid floating a bond referendum. Harold does indeed get credit for that.

Janet, don't get carried away with trying to give credit where credit isn't due.

Submitted by tonto707 on Tue, 08/21/2007 - 7:20pm.

'we be staying long and strong'?

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