FreeSpeech for 8-15-07

Tue, 08/14/2007 - 3:49pm
By: The Citizen

I would like to address the comments made regarding the B. B. King concert. If you think that jumping up to dance, and showing your backside to Mr. King most of the time, was your way of showing the artist your appreciation, I would like to suggest enthusiastic applause and possibly a standing ovation between songs as being more appropriate. If you just have to dance, there is an area provided, stage right, that would even have room for you four. I would also like to remind you that you were the only ones standing up, and that you were blocking the view of everyone else. I would also like to tell you that we didn’t come to see you. We came to see B.B. King. I would like to say these things, but you know, in the end, I guess I’m just jealous of your seats.

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Unopened cart path bridge: Unbelievable. Don’t think for a minute I’m going to accept the incompetence of City Engineer David Borkowski and City Manager Bernard McMullen about not checking on the permit to allow completion of the Ga. Highway 54 cart path bridge. Citizens have been talking, writing, complaining about the status for nearly a year. You’d think these two gents would have checked weekly instead of “finding out” a year later the permit was granted two weeks after being submitted. I won’t allow the misdirection being given us about “awaiting approval of the engineering plans to complete the project.” I fired Comcast four weeks ago because they were unable to provide me acceptable service and being incompetent. I suggest the same for Borkowski and McMullen. These well-paid people have been unable to provide the citizens a simple service and have demonstrated their incompetence for all to see. I wonder if this is acceptable business as normal with our city council?

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The mayor and council in Peachtree City do deserve a pay increase. The police station disaster was not Harold Logsdon’s fault. Bob Lenox was responsible for the police station and development authority fiascos so don’t blame Harold. The SPLOST garbage was Dunn, Pfeifer, Wells and Frady’s doing. Unfortunately, Harold did make promises regarding taxes which he hasn’t kept, but all politicians do that stuff. I’m not saying Steve Brown doesn’t have a right to be angry about a lot of immoral or dishonest acts, but don’t blame Harold. I wouldn’t mind seeing Steve Brown on the council again.

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Harold Logsdon is the biggest double-talker I’ve ever seen. He pulled their big pay hike the last time because they were stealing funds out of the reserves to balance the budget. Now Harold has given up his moral conviction on balanced budgets in order to stuff his pockets. The mayor and council have received a half million dollars in unexpected revenue this year and they still can’t roll back taxes. Thank you to Steve Brown for keeping their feet to the fire.

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The PTC City Council was smart enough to deny sewer expansion into Coweta County for their over-development. Hopefully, they’ll be smart enough to do the same with Tyrone.

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Tell me it isn’t seriously being considered. City Council, i.e., government, is moving in the direction of forcing everyone to use the same trash franchise for weekly curbside pickup. Choice is what makes this country great. I pay a much lower rate for my service because I took a few minutes to research the options. I’ve had great service ever since. Now “government” wants to tell me who to use. Raise your hand if you think government is the best entity to make your choice. So a few folks complain about “all” the trash trucks on their streets. Why don’t they get off their butts and talks to their neighbors about going to the same service. They might actually find out some interesting information about their rates. Just so you don’t think it would stop with the trash pickup, next will be the lawn services that are 10 times more noticeable to the peaceful environment around your homes. Think about it.

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Instead of rolling back taxes, the great Mayor Logsdon has created another year of record spending. Does anyone else remember the mayor telling us paying off the development authority wouldn’t result in higher taxes? We’re looking at another 5 to 7 percent increase again this year.

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Compare Tyrone’s government with Peachtree City and Fayetteville. In September PTC will have classes for citizens on the over-all operation of their government. Classes include role of the city manager, planning, zoning and land use issues, as well as finances, budget, appointed committees, plus a question and answer session with the mayor and council. In Fayetteville, you can walk in without an appointment and be greeted by helpful employees, look at the public records with or without help and get answers to any question you have. Both cities have downtown development authorities properly registered with the Secretary of State’s office. In contrast, Tyrone has a secret form of government, in which citizens cannot find out the duties of their town manager. Public records inspection requires a legal written open records request that takes three days for a response, then an appointment must be made. No one can get a question answered except from the town manager if he’s even there. The answer is usually either a half-truth or outright misrepresentation. Their downtown redevelopment program has never been formally passed by council and is not registered with the state. Tyrone prints an incomplete ordinance book that is 10 years old and was not brought up to date when printed. The mayor and council ignore citizens’ requests for help. The town attorney issues conflicting legal opinions and files complaints against citizens who have legitimate legal concerns; also he writes letters to citizens telling them not to bother him. Legal property rights are constantly trampled upon; laws on the books are not followed, but laws that haven’t been passed are presented as legal. Citizens have to file lawsuits to protect their rights. Secrecy, confusion, chaos, hatred and rebellion is the order of every day. Citizens and businesses are literally being run out of town. A popular petition is circulating to remove the town management. The governments of Peachtree City and Fayetteville may not be perfect, but it’s a long way from the dark ages of Tyrone.

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Tyrone’s Valerie Fowler holds the office of assistant town manager, clerk and zoning administrator. As such she is responsible for keeping the public records and issuing business licenses. With her sidekick, Town Manager Barry Amos, those two totally control all of the citizens’ business. And control it they do, with the blessings of Town Attorney Brad Sears. Amos is fond of telling citizens that the town acts on the advice of their attorney. The attorney’s legal opinions often look like a witch’s brew of smoke and mirrors designed to justify Valerie and Barry’s needs, which is often legally contradictory. Valerie refuses business licenses without justification and routinely obstructs citizens’ access to public records like she owns them. Not to long ago, a 57-year-old lady was continually put off from seeing the records. When the lady had finally had enough, she demanded to see the records, whereupon, Ms. Fowler told the lady to get out of her office or she would call the police and have her put in jail. Upon notification of the incident, the brain-dead Town Council ignored the complaint, as usual. Not long afterwards, the Tyrone Police were called to the lady’s subdivision on a complaint that her son was illegally in his own community pool area. When the lady came to her son’s assistance, the police did in fact put her in jail on a charge of an unpaid traffic ticket, which later was proved in court to be untrue. Hundreds of Tyrone citizens are in open rebellion for the removal of these government employees, but while Tyrone burns, the Town Council fiddles. Lawsuit #4 for 2007 is on its way. God help the taxpayers come legal judgment day. The state legislature has the power to dissolve the municipality. Efforts are being pursued by citizens to do just that and give Tyrone to Fayette County on the basis that the town is incapable of governing itself.

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Here goes our town council on another high-density building spree. At first the Tyrone Council lied to us and told us they weren’t going to double the density on the second John Wieland subdivision. They said 250,000 gallons per day of sewage was all they would ask for and now they want double. Use some common sense. The more dense the development the longer our drive is to work. We don’t need to be like Peachtree City and clog the roads.

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It appears that Ga. Highway 314 is the new Autobahn in Fayette County. No enforcement equals no speed limit.

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The writer who wants to know what’s going with our County Commissioners sort of answered his own question. What you are seeing now is only the beginning of what I think is the end of good government in Fayette County. For the past 10 years or so, our county was the envy of the metro area and much of the credit was due to the fine group of county commissioners who felt their primary job was to represent the citizens of the county, not the special interest groups who ran the county prior to the election of folks like Dunn, Wells, Bost, and Pfeifer. The group of commissioners now in office except for Pfeifer, don’t give a rip about the majority of us or what’s best for the county, only their narrow agenda and their friends. Translated: developers, special interests, etc. It appears that the commission is being run by the personal injury attorney (or as they say in legal circles, an ambulance chaser). He was able to fire the long-serving county attorney who was recognized as one of the best at what he did, based upon his estimate that the county could save $200,000 by hiring our own in-house legal services. This figure is about as valid as the claim that there were weapons of mass destruction. My guess is that when all the dust settles, the cost of legal services will double and a friend of the attorney will surface as the new inside legal hire and he or she won’t know beans about county government. I suggest that those few citizens who are really interested in the quality of life in Fayette County get involved and let the commissioners know that we won’t tolerate a return to the old ways of doing business, lest we end up with the same kind of county commissions we see in some of the surrounding counties. Folks, it just don’t look good.

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There is an old saying that we should be careful of Greeks bearing gifts, and this is still true today. Evidently, the move to overhaul the county pension plan is being pushed by former county Commissioner Scott Burrell, who also just happens to be president of Pacific General Financial, an insurance and financial service firm. While Scott says he has nothing to gain from his proposed plan, I would not bet on it. This guess is based on his performance as a county commissioner a few years ago. While running for the commissioner post, Scott promised to support the county land use plan and assured voters that he was concerned about our quality of life, etc. However, once he got in office he never saw a rezoning request he did not like. It was during his tenure that our land use plan was open to whatever developers wanted, they got. Some folks even went so far as to refer to it as the rape of the land use plan. So, now out of the goodness of his heart, Scott wants to scrap the pension plan in favor of his new plan. I think we need to be very careful of this particular “Greek” and his plan.

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The county attorney personnel change has been an interesting study in leadership. Now that the commission has decided to try the concept of an in-house attorney, a number of people still fight the initiative, including Peter the Puppet. Interesting. If the concept proves not to save money, they can switch back. But still this appears to be a case of the old group trying to save one of their own. The latest challenge was to express outrage that the county would not have an attorney for a few weeks. Imagine that. We go a few weeks without a lawyer whispering sweet nothings in our commissioners’ ears. Somehow that seems like a good idea. And so, the county responded by hiring interim lawyer Don Comer, a PTC resident, who was formerly Clayton County attorney. Apparently he, too, along with McNally, graduated from an unapproved law school in the late 1970s (which doesn’t matter if you pass the test). He fought Victor Hill the idiot sheriff. Like McNally he has about 20 years’ experience. He will work interim at $150 an hour. Comer appears to be a good choice. I’d chalk this up as another victory for the commission.

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Regarding purchasing school supplies: I found a way to spend the least I had to for the requested list of classroom supplies. When the list was given out at the end of the previous school year, I would purchase items when they were on sale throughout the summer. Since I was purchasing a little at a time, this method softened the blow of one big total, plus I did spend less on sale items.

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A Realtor friend of mine told me that most of his recent business has been Fayette County residents wanting to get out and move to Coweta. Thanks to Mayor Lee messing up Tyrone, and the Fayette County School Board messing up Fayette schools and boundaries, residents are scrambling to get out. I wonder how much money the study cost that erroneously determined that we need a new school on Sandy Creek. Maybe they did the study back when Tyrone and Fayette County were still nice places to live.

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A certain rough high school in Fayette is telling parents that they can move their child to a school that has met AYP, but they will not provide transportation. Fayette schools lie again. According to federal law, and I quote, “LEA’s [your school district] must provide transportation for public school choice, and must use up to 5 percent of their Title I, Part A funds.” If your school did not meet AYP, then it must offer choice. If you are ignorant of the law, Fayette will take advantage of you.

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May be it’s just me but again the leadership of the black culture confuses me. The Southern “Christian” Leadership Conference held its 50th anniversary celebration and gave praise and recognition to two men who are far from the term “Christian.” Bill Clinton? Give me a break, he’s in favor of abortion, same-sex unions and a socialized government way of life and what has he done to deserve recognition from a “Christian” organization? Obama? Give me a break; he’s in favor of abortion, same-sex unions, against our troops in war and he claims to be Muslim not a Christian. If you put the Christian beliefs, way of life and what the Bible says in line with these two men in particular, how can the SCLC recognize these men? The SCLC doesn’t represent a Christian-based organization of black Americans who are concerned about the Christian conservative way of life in America. It mainly represents an organization that is continually causing more division between races in America instead of healing those divisions. After all, if they were, they would have made a public apology after the Duke lacrosse situation was exposed for what really happened. Because after what the SCLC said about those Duke players and the real story was told, the SCLC along with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson owe those young men a public apology and should ask for forgiveness. Change the name SCLC to fit what your organization is really standing for and take out the word you represent so poorly, “Christian,” because what you do and how you act is NOT what Christ is all about.

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How many broke people live in PTC? One of our biggest pizza places no longer accepts checks. I am not joking. Are there that many broke PTC residents that are trying to pass bad checks for a meal? Can anyone tell me why Peachtree City is better than the next city down the road? I am losing sight of it.

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To the man who knows nothing about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), we believe the following: 1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost. 2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression. 3. We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel. 4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. 5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof. 6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. 7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth. 8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. 9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God. 10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory. 11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege; let them worship how, where, or what they may. 12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. 13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul: We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. This should clear up your many falsehoods.

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I feel compelled to respond to the Christian citizen who lambasted Mitt Romney as a presidential candidate, declaring that the Mormon faith is “a false Christian religion and a cult.” I am neither a Mormon nor a Christian. I cannot claim to know whether this writer’s description of the Mormon faith has any basis in fact. What I do know is that religion of any stripe is repugnant when it is used to justify hatred, intolerance and discrimination. I doubt that Jesus of Nazareth would rejoice to see his philosophies hijacked in this manner. For more than two thousand years this man’s teachings have been distorted by self-righteous bigots to support all manner of social injustice. We might all do well to remember some words from former a president: “To discriminate against a thoroughly upright citizen because he belongs to some particular church, or because, like Abraham Lincoln, he has not avowed his allegiance to any church, is an outrage against that liberty of conscience which is one of the foundations of American life.“ — Theodore Roosevelt, 1908. “The fundamental precept of liberty is toleration. We cannot permit any inquisition either from within or from without the law or apply any religious test to the holding of office. The mind of America must be forever free.” — Calvin Coolidge, Inaugural Address, 1925.

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We have had presidents from many denominations. Religion should be a personal choice. There were many who had doubts about John F. Kennedy being Catholic. He proved to be a great president. The office can neither influence anyone or force his or her religion on another. The type of person running for office, his panel of issues, what he says he will do if he becomes president, what kind of job has he done in the area that he lives – all are good information to gather in making a choice for president. We are a country that allows all to believe in the religion we choose. There are safeguards against any group that threatens our country and freedom. What someone that joins a particular church believes is only his or her business. What someone else thinks to be outlandish, absurd, un-Christian, is not something that we can judge. There are cults, groups that lead young and vulnerable people into believing that having others dictate their lives is a good choice. When we teach our children well, how to make choices, they will be well-grounded in thinking for themselves; they will know the “right from the “wrong” influence. We can make choices for ourselves, and choose not to join any particular religion. We must be careful that we don’t accept beliefs as truth without studying and knowing the truth for self. It is our responsibility, to study ALL religions and be well-informed. In believing only what someone tells us is true, one will never know truth. If we live a life in service to others, we won’t have time to judge, but helping others with love, compassion, charity, empathy, understanding and patience. So folks, start studying the background of those running for the nation’s highest office, not the ones who have raised the most money, or judging them on their religion (be glad that they believe in God!) but who are running for office because they think they can do a good job for all.

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If the social revolutionaries in this country get their way, it will solve the immigration problem altogether. Nobody will want to come here anymore. They’ll just as soon stay home in their own squalor rather than flocking to ours. The big bank accounts expected to provide the free meal tickets and health care will dwindle to peanuts with the more substantial fleeing to their own sanctuaries. When this happens, the veins on Commie Tommy’s fat neck will puff out like a bullfrog and turn as red the star on his little green uniform. Perhaps then he will realize why his Marxist philosophy, throughout history, has never succeeded anywhere else in the world.

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I have often wondered how one maintains upper middle class status once the realization has set in that he will never really accomplish anything in the business world, otherwise known as the “real world.” The pipe dreams of the six-figure exec job just never seem to quite materialize. Well, let’s see. One would either have to marry an M.D. or get into politics, or both. Ring a bell?

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You might be a redneck if you enter a bank wearing a ball cap and sunglasses, then again, maybe not. Anybody entering a bank wearing a ball cap and sunglasses should be shot on sight. All hats and sunglasses should be removed when entering a financial institution and additional cameras should be placed at eye level at the doorway. Robbers are getting more brazen every day. Why do we make it so easy for them? Americans are paralyzed. We have become so chronically terrified of frivolous lawsuits and ridicule from violating ridiculous political-correctness statutes that we can’t move. This weakness allows both criminals and enemies to stomp our faces in the mud with relative ease. Don’t believe it? Take a test. During August, count the number of times you see pictures of ball caps and sunglasses taken during robberies. They all look alike to me.

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I sincerely apologize for comparing my limited knowledge of military and VA hospitals as they existed 38 years ago to a hypothetical, yet likely, government health care system in America. I was out of line. I salute your honorable service and sacrifice. A hulking, legendary orthopedic surgeon famous for setting his own broken leg during a Michigan football game — and cursing profusely while operating on his wide-awake patients — can leave an indelible memory. Most doctors during that era were like Hawkeye Pierce and BJ Hunnicut. I got Frank Burns. In a socialized health care system, you can expect a total reversal. At least I’m prepared.

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Submitted by too bad on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 5:42pm.

"A Realtor friend of mine told me that most of his recent business has been Fayette County residents wanting to get out and move to Coweta. Thanks to Mayor Lee messing up Tyrone, and the Fayette County School Board messing up Fayette schools and boundaries, residents are scrambling to get out. I wonder how much money the study cost that erroneously determined that we need a new school on Sandy Creek. Maybe they did the study back when Tyrone and Fayette County were still nice places to live."
I know of 2 or 3 families who bought another house in Coweta ...before..they sold their house here, paying 2 house notes. They wanted their kid out of Sandy Creek that bad! Why not some place else in Fayette? Because everyone in this area fills abandoned by the school board and never wants to give this county another dollar! You get what you pay for unless you live in the Sandy Creek area!

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:49pm.

The latest numbers on Sandy Creek put it well above ANY school in Coweta. In fact, the schools in Henry are at or above the levels of the schools in Coweta.

Unless, the numbers don't tell the whole story. It seems folks may be being short sighted on this.

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 7:27pm.

it makes sense if you believe what people are telling you...go stick your head in the sand...people here are ..t.i.r.e.d of being your buffer and tokens, ...diffy up the loote and intergrate all the schools here. Ever heard of DeKalb county? they did token intergration, till the blacks woke up and demanded bussing...the county had to pay for it and it ruined all the schools. You have acted indifferent to our problems in the north of Fayette and I hope you get what you deserve. Everything that wants to come over the clayton county line gets to come here cause we have space and they argue their schools are over crowded and ours aren't. Then we have the Cynthia Mckinney act to contend with. Why do we have all that space in ..our..schools? Cause you guys almost had a heart attack at having to send your kids here even though it is closer than North Clayton/fayette line is to us. Reason, you don't want yours to associate with what ours are haveing to ....when we complain about the kids comming in from other counties, you could care less, cause it ain't your problem, I hope soon, it is.

Submitted by onlyrealcat on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 3:36pm.

Everything that wants to come over the clayton county line gets to come here cause we have space and they argue their schools are over crowded and ours aren't. Then we have the Cynthia Mckinney act to contend with. Why do we have all that space in ..our..schools?

just say what you mean that you cant have blacks in your school because you think you are better. my son make's good grades at whs and we are from clayton so what now?

The only real cat in town

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Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:31pm.

I googled your Mckinney act, it has nothing to do with Cynthia Mckinney, and it's just to help the homeless kids. Have you ever looked it up? I don't think we have that much of a homeless problem here.
I yam what I yam...Popeye


Submitted by IMNSHO on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 7:51am.

Why do we have all that space in ..our..schools?

What extra space are you talking about? There is no extra space at SCHS. The only reason my child was allowed to transfer there was for the JROTC program... they aren't allowed to deny the transfer if that is the reason given for wanting to attend there. If he ever quits the program (not likely), he'll have to go back to his regular school.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 9:17pm.

for not caring? IF any illegal students are in Fayette County Schools, I want them gone. I'm not sure of your beef with my statement.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:27am.

This sort of thing has been going on since Moses!
People who work in Fayette school sysyem from other counties naturally bring their kids here if they want to.
If it is easier to ride a bus to one than another, then do it.
If a coach can talk a good ball player to come to his school instead of his next door, they have always done it!
And, If you stay with Grandma or Aunt, or cousin, then go to school there.
The administration has the responsibility of sorting the quantities according to space.
This crap of I pay taxes, yak, yak, yak, is so much BS.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 7:45pm.

A question. What are the parents and staff doing to insure that the 'newcomers' have an understanding of the expectations of the schools in your county? Are they introduced to the school's curriculum; the expectation for homework; the dress code; the parent's attendance at conferences? Are classes provided for those students in the school who are having difficulty with passing courses? Are students suspended for lack of attendance until a parent conference is held? I understand your concern - and I'm assuming that the 'newcomers' are not adhering to the established standards of Fayette County schools. If excellence is expected - demand excellence. Don't accept mediocrity from 'newcomers' or school staff.

Submitted by onlyrealcat on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:17pm.

all of you trying to leave fayette just step on. There is nothing wrong with sandy creek and fayette county high. you need to just admit it you are racist.

The only real cat in town

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:19pm.

we weren't ...but why don't you look further south in the county for racist...how dumb can you be realcat?

Submitted by IMNSHO on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:08pm.

I know of 2 or 3 families who bought another house in Coweta ...before..they sold their house here, paying 2 house notes. They wanted their kid out of Sandy Creek that bad! ... You get what you pay for unless you live in the Sandy Creek area!

Huh. We don't live in the SCHS district, but I've had one child graduate from there, and another going there now. They go their BY CHOICE. The school has excellent teachers, admin, counselors, and an awesome school resource officer. There are good opportunities there that are not available at other Fayette Co. high schools (JROTC and the Model U.N. program both come to mind). The experience is what you make of it.

Submitted by 1bighammer on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 10:07am.

and I'm not black either. We actually bought a house to move INTO the Sandy Creek District. IMNSHO is right, the school has excellent teachers, admin, counselors, and an awesome school resource officer. I'm not sure what motivates other people who have no first hand knowledge of Sandy Creek to constantly put the school down. We are the most racially diverse school in the county yet we hear more about problems, racial, weapons, gangs, and drugs from the other schools in the county. Sounds to me like those that put us down, just have a problem associating with non-caucasions in general.

I also agree that "The experience is what you make of it."

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:11pm.

could you be black? I dare you to tell the truth...but won't belive your response. "The experience is what you make of it" then why didn't yours 'experience' it where they were suppose to go to school?

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 9:05pm.

I'm sorry, we get to pick our color, and no one told me, and this on top of dollars female president, I've got to get out more.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


Submitted by IMNSHO on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:45pm.

...but I'll tell you anyways. Nope, not black. As white as white can be. And worse (in some minds)... Peachtree City residents, the so-called "Bubble People." As to why my kids didn't/don't go to their districted school... because they don't offer JROTC there. And that was something that was important to them, so in their 10th grade year, they transferred to SCHS. (BTW, I have 2 other kids who graduated from/currently attend the high school we are districted for, so I do have real-life experience to compare.)

Submitted by sherwood on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 4:40pm.

All Fayette County Schools, even the High Schools made AYP. How would you be eligible to move to another school? Your comment is a bit confusing.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:32pm.

Please get your facts straight regarding the religion of Barak Obama. He is not a Muslim, but a devout, church going Christian. (United Church of Christ). Google him - so that you base your bias against him on fact, not fiction.

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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:43pm.

Obama's Pastor and Church seem pretty devisive to me: He continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.

Trinity United bears the motto "Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian."

Wright says its doctrine reflects black liberation theology, which views the Bible in part as a record of the struggles of "people of color" against oppression.

A skilled and fiery orator, Wright's interpretation of the Scriptures has been described as "Afrocentric."

When referring to the Romans, for example, he refers to "European oppression" — not addressing the fact that the Egyptians, who were also a slave society, were people of Africa.

The Trinity United Web site tells of a "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the black community."

Several prior remarks by Obama's pastor have caught the media's attention:

Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.

Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

Wright on Israel: "The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."
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Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 7:24am.

Using the term minister very, very looooossseeelly.

Let me guess God came to this hate monger in a dream, and told him to go forth and spread hate. You know if this country is so bad maybe he needs to go back to the motherland. The God this idiot is worshipping must look red and be surrounded by lots of fire and brimstone.

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Submitted by TonyF on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:14am.

(actually you referenced a comment) thanks, I needed that this morning as I was feeling a little down. Thanks for "the best medicine".

"The memories of a man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime.You shuffle in the gloom of the sick room,and talk to yourself as you die."
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Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 7:15pm.

The Trinity United Web site tells of a "commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the black community."

Thank heavens Obama is in this church modeling his version of American Christianity. Obama’s ministry includes all Americans – and he has the support of all Americans – the ‘black’ community is not the only community supporting Obama at this venture. In fact, Hillary Clinton has a large percentage of ‘black’ support according to the polls.

I’m surprised at a retired military man who appears to be against someone who advises blacks to improve their communities by having a strong work ethic, committing to their families, and developing skills required for making a meaningful contribution to society. Military people are usually in support of persons who ‘preach’ the above mentioned virtues. I understand the Majors' concern for the apparent 'anti- white' remarks

Sunday is the most segregated day of the week in America. The ‘white’ Christian churches took ‘legal’ steps to avoid integration by opening ‘private schools’ so that children would not have to sit next to black children. The legacy of segregation is alive and well. Reverse racism from ‘whites’ and ‘blacks’ is alive and well. Let’s not pass this disease to the next generation. Obama’s actions speak louder than his pastor’s words. He certainly does not hate his grandparents or his mother. . .who were/are/ ‘white’.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 10:57pm.

"commitment to the black community, commitment to the black family, adherence to the black work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the black community."

Frankly I find the Trinity United Website offensive. It sounds like our resident Black rascist, Realcat.

Here's my version: "commitment to the American community, commitment to the American family, adherence to the American work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the American community. Bringing Americans together with the common goal of assimilating in a peaceful and neighborly manner for the good of the American people. Let's unite with our White brethern in an effort to grow and prosper our American communities."

If not then I guess us White Folk are going to have to coin our own mission statement: "commitment to the White community, commitment to the White family, adherence to the White work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the White community. Be Right be White."

Am I the only one that sees the hypocrisy here?

Yeah... Obama and his church are real uniters. I can just "feel the hope".

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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:26am.

"commitment to the American community, commitment to the American family, adherence to the American work ethic, pledge to make all the fruits of developing acquired skills available to the American community. Bringing Americans together with the common goal of assimilating in a peaceful and neighborly manner for the good of the American people. Let's unite with our White brethern in an effort to grow and prosper our American communities."

There are blacks, Asians, Hispanics etc. who totally agree with your version. And there are ‘whites’ who would welcome the ‘uniting’. But the reality is that we as Americans do not see one another as brothers and practice what we preach. White America’s discomfort with the ministers words are the same reaction that blacks have to white supremacy words and actions. (Yes – we see and hear racism towards minorities daily) Whenever uniting and acceptance is practiced – as I observe in many instances in Fayetteville, GA- the American way of life is strengthened. All complaints about racism from both whites and blacks is not imagined – or discussed to cause ‘trouble’. Racism still exists! That is a hard reality for some to accept. . . .but too often in our justice system and our everyday lives – we witness it. (Both black and white). If the persons in this discussion would continue to deal with it in a humanistic manner – it can be erased in our lifetime! To become offended and angry anytime that it is mentioned is like putting your head in the sand. If the persons in this discussion who also observe good examples of race-relations would share their observations – it may open the eyes of others. I have seen posts where persons mention that they respect and accept their neighbor; their fellow church member; etc., etc., etc. More of this sharing might open the eyes of those who see all blacks, Hispanics, as unwelcome members of the community. It also may open the eyes of those who see all minorities as criminals – or at least stop expressing that point of view in their discussion.

Submitted by too bad on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 7:19am.

Honest to God I've never seen anybody so 'terminally Black' in my life! If you have any kids, I don't care what you say, they must be emotional cripples over being black after hearing your rants 24/7.
You are the reason that whites and blacks fight, you just will not shut up and get off your 'you owe me' for one second. I have friends who are black that don't talk about it. After a while you accept them for what they are...You never want to be accepted for anything other than a pitty pot. If you were in a room full of ..BLIND PEOPLE...within 10 mins you would make sure they all knew you were Black and pass the cup. Everytime someone crawls your butt about it, you run hide behind religion. If Obama or whatever his name is, goes to a church like they are talking about, he is just as nuts as you! Now think of our kids having to listen to this kind of crap 24/7. Bill Cosby is right, and you my friend are the problem, so instead of spewing your veiled hatred of whites, go down to the archives and work on looking up your family tree hoping for some 'reparation money'.

Submitted by susieq on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 9:55am.

Thanks. Somebody had to say it.
Does this forum have an ignore button?

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 7:16am.

This is the black message. They continue to trump up false charges of racism, and at the same time they promote a message of hate towards white people......because well...we are white.

Their hate and false charges actually hurt them more than it hurts the people they hate. Was this really Dr. Kings message: Go forth and spread hate and discontent with false cries of racism so you can get somethng for nothing???? I don't think so. He wanted everyone in this country to live in peace. Even white people.

We are all Americans can't we all just get along???

Submitted by Tyrone Aries on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:19pm.

Master sir - We ain't all white. It is ironic that you quote MLK, Jr., in light of the fact that you obviously have some deep seeded hatred yourself.....I can read between your lines.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:29pm.

"We" is everyone who lives as a legal citizen in the United States of America.

Just because I take a very vocal and rabid stance against crime and criminals you assume that I am white. Who is RACIST????? The only hate I have is towards criminals and freeloaders on welfare. I am a crimist. I hate criminals.

Why do you hate me for that??

ps I'm a purple teletubby anyway, not white at all. So don'stereotype me.
Don't try to bully people with false cries of racism. We need to pull together as a country.

Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 9:30pm.

I hope no one hates you over the comments made here. It's just that statistics and actual experience support the fact that crime from the black community is usually black on black. Blacks are the majority victims. I've been looking at some statistics - and it looks like statistics support the belief that crime escalated with the opening of the Pavilion. However - if one looks at crime in Georgia - there is something else going on here - and the rest of the nation. A rise in home invasions; auto theft; purse snatching; shoplifting, pot growing, etc. is occurring in many communities - not just Fayette County. It would be interesting if one of Fayette County's finest shared some insight as to what is happening - in their opinion . . .anonymously of course.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 9:44pm.

This is happening everywhere.

I was trying to say or explain to Tyrone aries is that we have to work together to make our county safe again. I assume he still lives here.

I have talked to a friend of mine who is a cop. He said one of the ideas or theories is that because of Fayette's tough on crime reputation, alot of the crime we are seeing now is gang initiation. So if they can commit a crime and get back out of the county without being arrested they get in.

It is hard to explain.

My personal theory is that we are starting to see the first generation of kids that have never been spanked or held to any consequences for bad behavior. It could also be the rap music that glamourizes crime and bad behavior. It could also be the so called celebrities like brittney, paris hilton, and lindsey lohan. They are being glamourized all over the place. Instead of making them social pariahs, they are glorified. What the heck? I don't get it. We definitly live in a more permissive society than the one I grew up in. I know I'm dating myself again. I can't help it. It seems like everything was safer and better when more people obeyed the law, and were afraid of the consequences.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:56am.

Gangs, rap music, etc., are not the causes of crime, they are the result of crime!

Take a kid who didn't get through high school, he can flip burgers---providing he can get to work at six different times per week for maybe four hours at 7-8 dollars per hour, for 25 hours max!(no benefits) Just how is he supposed to own a car to get there on that?
Lots of things look tempting!
When he does get home with a hundred dollars, he is expected to buy some groceries or pay the light bill.
We must interrupt this situation at about 10 and stop it!

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:36pm.

It's not a birthright.

If you don't apply yourself in school or choose to drop out, it is nobody's fault but your own.

Everyone can achieve success. Some of us have to work 2 jobs for 5 years until we find a job that pays more. Are we supposed to feel sorry for people who CHOOSE not to work?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:53pm.

Not always! Just sometimes application works. Why? Raised in ignorance, mostly!

Submitted by onlyrealcat on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 3:42pm.

true dollar. when you dont pay them but 6 dollars a hour you see them get in to trouble at all times. my son and his friends know rahim and know why he is in jail. the fayatteville police watched him for months and them arrested him, pounced on him. my son stopped when he saw that and now is trouble free. maybe if we can pay people more they wont have to steal and sell drugs.

The only real cat in town

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:30pm.

Yes.... And what happened to Rahim is going to happen to you. You see.. Our Sheriff's Office and the Fayetteville Police have a special squad set up to monitor and frame innocent black men who make less than $10 and hour. What happened to Rahim is only the beginning. What you don't understand is that the black Fayetteville Cops aren't even black. They're painted. You see.... there's this plan that you black peoples don't know about. What's going to happen is that in the very near future......

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Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:38pm.

What do our painted cops do with lazy knuckleheads who drop out of school, and expect a free handout??

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:46pm.

They harvest their organs for the black market and grind the rest of them up to make Kibble & Bits. Duh.... And you thought the new Police Station housed a jail? Nope... it's a cannery. Smiling

Just don't tell that to OnlyRealRacist. She's starting to catch on to our master plan. Wait until she finds out that those "Black Principals" aren't really black and that they're really Fayetteville Police officers who are painted up to capture raw materials for the cannery.

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Submitted by too bad on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 8:34pm.

that may well be the funniest post I've ever read on the Citizen. You are hysterical!

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 8:57pm.

Don't draw any attention to the "master plan". We can't afford to let OnlyRealRacist find out that Hack and David's Mom are actually painted undercover plants. If she finds out it's gotta be Kibbles and Bits out of her. Evil

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:34pm.

real cat has got to be several people posting under the same name, or is doing this drunk this time, the spelling and diction and syntax is totally different today.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:40pm.

Can you see his mouth moving while he is typing?

I bet he is a big fat, fat white guy typing this in his undies. He is just yanking our chain.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:50pm.

Your chain is right!
This guy is as real as was the teepee indian sometime ago.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:48pm.

And I'm actually OnlyRealRacist and Git at the same time. Smiling

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Submitted by Enigma on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 7:45pm.

Village smillage - somewhere an entire country is short of idiots. I miss you guys but I sure am liking Ohio Eye-wink

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 11:55pm.

You can still comment from Ohio. Smiling

Tell Mixer "hi" for us. Surely he has time to post every once in a while. Keep in touch.


Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 1:17pm.

Accurate insight. I just think the intervention/interruption needs to happen before 10!

Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:16pm.

We left California - the LA area - because of the rise in gang initiations and shootings. [just one of the reasons] (Actually the murder rate went down - because most of the thugs couldn't shoot straight.) I agree that the media has glamorized the thug life style. I saw a TV program where the kids were actually supporting a 'don't snitch campaign’. The idea of right and wrong has become so discombobulated. (Don't look up that word - it’s from '50's slang) I can't believe the publicity that Hilton, and her friends are receiving for going to jail! Something has to change. This initiation thing really puts us at risk. I hope the citizens realize that we really do have to be alert. Don’t be intimidated at the Pavilion. The other day I saw some teens that were acting 'tough' - and 'loud'. I looked at them - took out my cell phone - and pretended that I was taking a picture of a car near them. . .they shut up and left. Now - I made sure that there were plenty of other people around me - I would never have done that if there were not a crowd around. But I enjoyed the rest of my day at the Pavilion. . .I guess the 'cool ones' went to some other parking lot for their 'business'.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 5:23am.

Maybe we all should call the police and report suspicious loitering, also, to encourage more police presence and discourage thug behavior. All too often I've heard people say that they wish they'd just listened to that little voice saying, something's not right here, before they were assaulted.

Once I was intimidated in a parking lot by 2 thugs (white trash), one on each side of me. I guess other people coming and going helped to keep them from doing more than threatening me and scaring me half to death. I knew that they'd be waiting for me (or another likely target) if no one else was around; so, I called the police. Turns out that they had criminal records (nothing major from what I could make out); one had a history of mental illness, probably from drug use. He was taken away by the police. The police were quite supportive and seemed glad that I'd called.


Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 6:36am.

I've seen the action of an alert community help curb crime in the LA area. It's when the thugs feel that they are in control - and the community is scared to death of them - that they have won. You were courageous - intimidation is a strong weapon of the criminal mind. The parents in this particular community stood up to the ‘gangs’, patrolled the streets when school was out to make sure the kids weren't accosted by drug dealers, etc. The sad end to this story is that the thugs won. Those parents who could afford it - left. It was a catch 22 situation. Parents worked two jobs to be able to 'leave' - but in the meantime, the gang took over many of the neighborhood youngsters who were 'home alone'. I see no signs of that happening here. It appears that we have an alert community that realizes that the criminal element is here - in all their glorious 'colors' - and we're becoming more vigilant daily. I think Fayette County is going to survive the 'growth'. There aren't many section 8 homes available here. Respectable retired folks occupy the trailer parks that I have seen! If we as community members continue to assist our law enforcement - we'll win!

Submitted by Tyrone Aries on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:34pm.

Re-read your own comment above my last one where you said something like, they throw the race card.....hate towards us...we are white...that is what I was talking about!

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:55pm.

I explained very well, but here we go. Some examples that I shared in other blogs.

Right now you are beating me over the head with the race card for statments that stand out very strongly against crime.

I have lived in Atlanta for 15 yrs. and routinly on the evening news at least one criminal will be caught on security camera commiting a crime. They will deny resposibility and claim that the victim and news media is "racist"? Look at the recent vick case. The case hasn't gone to court yet, but his buddies in crime are singing like canaries. Some people have made the claim that this is racist to report of his arrest?? To which I say HUH?? Last week a jewlry store was robbed in Buckhead, they showed the footage from the security tapes. The 2 suspects happend to be black. Again false cries of racism because the media and news stations showed the footage.

Fast-forward to yesterdays bank robbery. Again a security camera film was shown on the news and has been posted on y-tube apparently. Again a few people claimed that the bloggers like myself and others were racist for being absolutely horrified about the mounting level of crime coming to or happening in our county.

When you make false claims of racism it dimishes the cases that are legit.

Yesterday many of us spoke strongly about things we need to do help prevent crime here. We were accused of being racist because we hate crime. Can you see how irritating, and confusing that would be? The message that I got yesterday was that "we" the people who live in Fayette County need to pull together and help out our cops to keep this county safe.

I'm not sure what kind of trouble you are trying to stir up? Go to the robbery blog and read what was writen. One knucklehead brought race into it, but the rest of us hate crime. I don't care what color the person is who commits a crime. If you are a criminal I hate you. That is about the only hate I have. That and going to the dentist.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 6:07pm.

Part of the original post was in responce to the preaching of obama's minister. I feel that he preaches a message of hate, which is wrong in any church.

He speaks of a "black segregated church" Huh?? What if white people tried to start a "white segregated church"?? Everyone would be having a conniption fit. Do you see why having any segregated church in this day and age is stupid??

Hate is always the wrong answer. (except for criminals)

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:41am.

Somehow I had missed the "black message." I'm glad you hipped me to it. Sorry Gitreal, apparently I have to start hating you and all of the men I work with now. And I thought we were going to be great friends. I'll have to find some false charges of racism to trump up. Ohhhhh! How about this one:

Black teen boy has consensual sexual relations with white teen girl two years his junior and gets a 10 year sentence.

White church lady wife (Mary Winkler) shoots husband in the back, killing him, and she is FREE in less than a year of her manslaughter conviction. Sounds like a bit of a DOUBLE STANDARD to me. Even John Abrams, an obviously confused caucasion lawyer, agrees.

I point this out as a tiny itty bitty reason some black folks might feel that race plays a role in society even today.

A SW Airlines and AF pilot who flies with me, just yesterday test drove a Toyota 4 Runner here in Enid, Oklahoma. The salesman (who did not make the sale) actually said this to AF Captain Billie Thompson,

"I had better go with you on the test drive. There aren't many black guys in cars this nice and I wouldn't want you getting pulled over." The salseman then laughed thinking, somehow, that this was funny. But Bill didn' laugh too much. And he's driving to Oklahoma City to see if he can find a car dealer that sees a customer and not a "black" customer. Ohhh, if you guys could only live a few weeks in my or Obamma's skin. You would see how we are often reminded of our race whether we want to be or not.

But alas, I'm disregarding the hate white guys memo, skyspy. I'll continue to have a blast with all of the good people I work with and/or consider friends no matter their complections. I suspect Obamma follows that philosophy as well. Or maybe he does hate his mom.... hmmmmmm...

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:24pm.

Sorry Gitreal, apparently I have to start hating you and all of the men I work with now. And I thought we were going to be great friends.

Nah...let's skip the hate part. To get away with it when you come to visit me you can wear "white face" and when I come to visit you I'll wear "black face". No one would ever wise up to us.

Hack, Let me ask you this. Do you think it would serve both sides better if we judged culture rather than skin color? Tuesday night I was at the Braves game and it was law enforcement night. I met and visited with a bunch of great cops that evening and I learned a lot. I visited with these two officers (who happened to be black)and this one guy explained in detail the workings of the robot he uses to defuse and dispose of bombs with. We visited for 20 minutes as if we were best friends. Never once was race an issue. This guy was a mirror reflection of who I consider myself to be. A hard working family man, husband, father, and a contributor to society. I regretted having to move on to meet my friends. I left there thinking how lucky the City of Atlanta was to have this guy. This guy represents the culture in which I choose to exist and from which I came from.

Then 5 minutes later I'm standing over the visitors bull pen watching some heat get tossed when these 3 black thugs walk up, loaded and obnoxious as can be. One of them was wearing a shirt that said "Just Do It - First I Do Your Sister, Then I Do Your Mama." Why his chump buddy would choose to to hold his pants up all day I'll never understand but with three of them..... I figured I would not bother to tell these predators to watch their mouths in front of the kids that were watching the SF pitchers warm up. Had you been there with me I'm sure we would a tore their EDITED}}} up. Smiling I will tell you this..... I hate their culture and I'm most definitely bigoted toward trash like that.

Then low and behold... it never fails. Three rows in front of me are these three white trash drunken' / doped up worthless pieces of human debris. Why do I always get stuck next to clowns like this. They stood up constantly blocking the view of those behind them (me) while talking on their phones and swinging their beers around. After about 4 innings of hearing these foul mouth animals run their mouths and spoiling the game for everyone else I had enough. There are just certain words that you do not use in front of children and there were a bunch of them around. So I got the addicts attention and told the loudest one to sit down and watch his mouth or I'd deal with him. Boy... his eyes looked like I was staring down the barrels of a couple of .45's, they were that doped up. As he and his other buddy looked like they were going to go off on me my buddies stood up and so did some other guy. They obviously got the message and sat down after telling me to FO. But I did have the last laugh....remember, it was Law Enforcement Night and our wonderful usher with the backing of Atlanta's Finest had them ushered out of there. Smiling I will tell you this..... I hate their culture and I'm most definitely bigoted toward trash like that.

What's my point? I think that between most of us on here that debate these race issues, we could easily find some common ground if we looked at one's culture rather than their skin color. There are trash cultures out there that are destroying our communities and dividing those of us that are law abiding, hard working folk. I say we condemn and penalize the destructive behaviors of the cultures that are preying on our community. I think that David's Mom, You, Me, SkySpy, Cyclist, Tug, Hutch, Penguin, Mixer, Cogitofay, and many more names that I unintentionally left out, should without hesitation blast ANY predator / thug without regards to race, color, sex, religion, national origin, marital status, age or disability.

Hey...If he's a "Black Clayton County Baggy Pants Wearing Rapper Robber Thug" then let's call him that. All of us. If the predator is a "White Middle Aged Child Molesting Trailer Trash Dwelling Meth Addict From PTC" then let's call him that and give him the grief he deserves. David's Mom and I should trash on any black person perpetrating a crime on our community. The same goes for any white thug harming our neighbors. Let's just go after the bad guys and admit that we have have serious issues coming from both sides of the fence. Let's try and stop getting so defensive when the bad guy matches our skin color. Why stand up for them? Let's go after them with all we've got.

I'd like to think most of us are from the same culture. Or we're working hard to assimilate.

"I had better go with you on the test drive. There aren't many black guys in cars this nice and I wouldn't want you getting pulled over." The salesman then laughed thinking, somehow, that this was funny

Yeah... real funny. Hack...What do you expect. The clown is a car salesman.

Ohhh, if you guys could only live a few weeks in my or Obamma's skin. You would see how we are often reminded of our race whether we want to be or not.

I can respect that. All this crap sucks doesn't it? I need to do a better job of being thoughtful of the bigotry you face.

Tell AF Captain Billy Thompson I said "hats off to him"..... for whatever that's worth. He's got better self control than I do.

In closing let me just say that I am not claiming to be perfect on this issue nor do I have all the answers. I will say that I do want it all to work out. Yet, I don't see much to be hopeful about. Sad

Cheers

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Submitted by loveptc on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 1:32pm.

What a great post! I am a firm believer that you don't judge people by race, but by how they present their self to society. If I'm on the cart paths and see someone coming toward me without a shirt and holding his pants up, I don't care if he's black, white or green, I get out of the way. How can parents not control how their children dress?

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Submitted by Tug13 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 9:30am.

Thugs are thugs. Why DOES it have to be a skin color issue. I am sick of the thug mentality too.

Sorry about your experience at the Braves game. One of my relatives is a retired Atlanta police officer. He works security at the Braves games. He would be one of the first there to take care of your problem. Smiling

A couple of weeks ago I stopped at a bank on N. Jeff Davis in Fayetteville. Three young males were walking by. One of them had no shirt on, his shorts were hanging below his butt, and his boxers were shining. A car driving by shouted something and the young guys saluted the car and proceeded to do a war dance. Was my first thought their skin color? No, I just wanted them to get out of my way and act civil. I really wanted to get out and give them a slap or two.

Bottom line, like you, sky, and most everyone else here, I HATE CRIME! I don't care what color it is!

Hack, if you read this I would be tickled if you were my neighbor. If I could reach you I would give you a big old hug! Smiling

For the few people here who care...the three young males on Jeff Davis were white.


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 10:11am.

Thugs, gender, skin color, education, where they live, etc.; I like Tug's comment "I HATE CRIME! I don't care what color it is!" Absolutely, I really don't care who you are, thug, white collar, blue collar, no collar, spotted, polka-dotted, right is right, wrong is wrong.

Tug, I lost the thread of conversation from yesterday about our multiple names. . .hope you are behaving yourself today and not using your blog privileges improperly!

Not long until my Friday is over, hope all have a good weekend, back Monday.


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Submitted by Tug13 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 10:32am.

No collar, spotted collar...that's good ones. Smiling
Jane, when the comments disappear I can never find them.

I will try to behave, but it's not easy. Some of these folks are always picking on me and you. (wink)

Do you have a computer at home?

Have a great weekend! Smiling


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 10:57am.

computers at home, but I work with computer and phones all day long, and once I get away from them, I don't turn either on again until Monday; I suppose I miss a lot, but do enjoy the peace.

Aw, you know, when they are picking on us, they are giving someone else a little slack! :^) I can take it . . .I think. . .

Later y'all.


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 11:08pm.

Or, at least it should be. Smiling

Have you read White Ghetto: How Middle Class America Reflects Inner City Decay by Star Parker? (Available at Amazon & the library, although not the local libararies. Seems like A LOT of conservative books that I ask for have to be sent from South Georgia. Puzzled )

Decaying values. Sexually transmitted diseases. Fatherless homes. Rampant drug use. These aren't just problems for today's inner cities. It's the plight of all America. Much has been said about Bill Cosby's incendiary remarks about urban black culture and its "dirty laundry." But in this provocative book, Star Parker, one of today's most controversial commentators, goes even further, proving that urban plight simply reveals a decay that is gnawing its way throughout American society as a whole. The sexual chaos, values disorientation, and social turmoil we see in our inner cities, Parker argues, is just a magnified reflection of the moral collapse happening all over America: in our schools, our churches, our homes. And this slide toward moral decrepitude is all due to a flagrant dismissal of and assault on America's tried-and-true values. With startling statistics and disturbing stories about the increasing secularization and criminalization of the middle class, Parker holds a cracked mirror up to suburbia. Taking on tough subjects such as abortion, drug abuse, sexual politics, and religion, she offers a rousing exploration of the raging cultural war - taking you on a wild, eye-opening tour through the White Ghetto.

Star's other books look quite informative, too.

Uncle Sam's Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America's Poor and What We Can Do About It (Excerpt available.)


Pimps, Whores and Welfare Brats: From Welfare Cheat to Conservative Messenger
(Excerpt available.)


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 8:16am.

My dad talks about this all the time. I used to think that he was being a jerk I see his wisdom more and more.

In the Rural White Ghettos he has a description for these guys that pretend like they're some kind of a big cowboy ranchers. They're drunk all the time and kids are a bunch of white trash that aren't worth hiring when they drop out of school or are passed through the school system until they graduate them out. Many of them make fun of his old farm truck and how much time he spends working on his 450 acre "profitable and unsubsidized" ranch.

He refers to them as "Driving and owing a note on a $40,000 pick-up truck while living in a $5000 trailer house on 10 acres of land they can't pay for". The scary thing is that these guys are raising White Ghetto Minded Thugs that are going to perpetuate the accurate scenario that Starr describes.

Oh how I fear for the future for my daughters.

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 12:31pm.

One of my Texas Navy buddies referred to these people as " All hat, no cattle". As far as daughters go when mine statrts dating I plan to be cleaning some kind of gun every time she is picked up.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 12:40pm.

As far as daughters go when mine statrts dating I plan to be cleaning some kind of gun every time she is picked up.

You plan on cleaning your weapon. I'm contemplating on using mine. Evil

I've told my girls that they can date after they've graduated with a Masters and they're at least 25 years old. Eye-wink

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 1:11pm.

They are now SURE to tell you nothing! Truthful, anyway.
I think that is what you want!

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 4:01pm.

With a little luck and a continued and awesome father / daughter relationship I hope that I can help steer my girls through some difficult and akward times in their lives. I joke around with them continuously about them not dating until they are 30 and that if they bring a boy home I'm going to make him disappear. Kind of the like the 3 S's. Evil. LOL! They know I'm kidding but they do know that I'm serious about proper behaviour and making decisions that will not lead to severe negative consequences in their futures. I know they will have to experience life but I hope to minimize the burns, scares and junk that would cripple their potential for a fuller life.

I am friends with my girls but, I am a parent first. And rest assured I will fulfill my parental duties above all. My daughters at a young age are aware of what abortion is, and as they grow we do and will continue to discuss issues that teens experience. God willing my daughters will eliminate much of the junk that teenagers wind up dragging into their adult lives.

So thanks for the good luck wishes. Exposing truth and the consequences of bad behaviour as they grow and having long discussions with them seems to be working.

I'm going to start a blog and tell you about an employee who lives through her daughter and the extreme coddling she does for this brat. Talk about a liberal mom. She's going to be able to put her pro-abortion beliefs in action real soon. Sad

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 1:19pm.

You're thinking today, what a concept, try it today, and if you like it, do it more often.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 1:03pm.

When I was dating a 'track star', my daddy informed him that he never saw anyone who could 'outrun' a bullet from his '38. I was embarrassed - but I was always brought home on time - and respected. Smiling

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 12:43pm.

Using is always an option.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 1:42pm.

Too bad more parents aren't like you. Smiling


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Submitted by pentapenguin on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:49pm.

Git, those "White Middle Aged Child Molesting Trailer Trash Dwelling Meth Addict[s] From PTC" -- are you talking about those scum that had feces on the walls and let their kid run around naked? I call them on that too. I hope there's a special place in hell for people that abuse kids like that!

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:55pm.

those four specimens of human debris that sexually terrorized and abused that 3 year old baby girl. My thoughts aren't very Christian when I think about those sick perverts. They're a hundred times worse than our Fayetteville bank robber and the Dollar store bandit.

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by Davids mom on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:42pm.

I'm with you Git! That was beautiful. Good night. Smiling

Submitted by ConfushaSay on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 8:42am.

I'm with you too Git.

But Davids mom, whuts beautifu yer talkin about. Whut Git's said about thos sickos? Whut those sickos did aint butifu ut ol!

Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 08/17/2007 - 12:01pm.

I must have been tired. Really wrong response. I agree that no matter what the 'color', actions like he described are despicable. Hate the actions - not the color!

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 5:11pm.

More accurately, it's bigotry (irrational suspicion or hatred) or prejudice (an adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts) with a lot of people. Obama's "minister" -- likely he's affected by racism (similar to Hitler's beliefs) because he elevates the black experience and history as superior and whites as inferior.

Prejudice might be justified if your conclusions are likely to be accurate, such as not wanting to try peanut butter pie because you know that you don't like peanut butter. Smiling

From what I've observed, some blacks too often assume whites are "racist" and treat accordingly. Just that feeling one gets. . . . So, the problem goes both ways.

But, I do understand blacks (whites, browns, etc.) not wanting to be judged by non-optional skin color and physical features. When the vast majority of robberies in this county are committed by blacks, how could a clerk or teller (white, black, otherwise) NOT be apprehensive when a black male approaches, especially one that looks like a thug?

If there was not such a disparity between the number of blacks committing crimes of violence and the number of whites (i.e., if blacks did not predominate, unless I'm mistaken about the statistics), then I don't think that the first thing that most people would look at would be skin color.

Perhaps what happened in Enid, Oklahoma, was the salesman's attempt to alert the man that Robert KKK Byrd was in the area? Eye-wink

Maybe he was trying to prevent any problems that might occur instead of being rude. If he disliked blacks, seems like he would have been silent and let the man be harassed (which is detestable when it happens to a black in a white area -- or was it Hispanic? -- or to a white in a black area). Puzzled

The disgusting sentencing of Mary Winkler (210 days in prison with credit for already serving 5 months and the remainder to be served in a mental health facility = no time in prison after conviction) happened because she's another minority -- a woman, not because of race. Disgusting! Women can drown their kids, and we're supposed to feel sorry for the true victims, the "depressed" mothers. They can murder their husbands, and we're supposed to feel sorry for the true victims, the "abused" wives. They are just so (mentally) weak and helpless. GAG!!!! Thank feminism for these perversions of justice.

But there is some justice in the world -- the O.J. jury. Black man can murder white wife, if he's rich and famous. Unlike Winkler, he was found not guilty and faced no punishment at all. Puzzled

"Black teen boy has consensual sexual relations with white teen girl two years his junior and gets a 10 year sentence." -- My, how this is spun into a "racist" event (a great fund raiser and another way to get Jackson & Sharpton face-time on TV)! Puzzled

Black 17-year-old male and/or man (not "boy") is accused of gang raping a 15-year-old BLACK female at a VIDEOTAPED hedonistic orgy (New Year's Eve party), involving marijuana and alcohol and VIDEOTAPED group sex.

Now that's much more accurate!

See Atlanta Magazine for details.

The police would never have been involved if a rape was had not been reported, the "victim" had not been under-age, Wilson had not been associated with 5 other males who had criminal pasts (including impregnating a 12-year-old), the crime (per the Georgia Legislature) had been documented so that the D.A. had no choice but to bring charges, and Wilson's attorneys rejected all plea offers.

“The media has painted these young men as choir boys, sweet and innocent, but that is not the case. The truth is in here,” said the prosecuting D.A. in an interview, pointing to a folder full of papers listing some of the defendants’ previous arrests (aggravated assault, criminal trespassing, shoplifting, child molestation and statutory rape, simple battery, burglary).

The prosecutor said, "Ignorance is not an excuse for breaking the law. When he says he’s not a child molester, what he is saying is that he is not a traditional child molester, but the way the law is written he is a child molester. We [D.A.'s] can’t change the law."

"There is nothing heroic in Wilson's actions that landed him in his current predicament. He remains not a paradigm of how young people ought to behave, but of how they should not comport themselves. In this, he shares much in common with the slightly older but equally decadent Paris Hilton."

All Americans should be sick and tired of the NAACP, Jesse Jackson (who called the case a “throwback to the lynching period” in America), Al Sharpton, et al calling "discrimination" so often and trying to turn the Vick charges and the Wilson case "into the latest great civil rights crusade."

Genarlow’s own appeals attorney, B.J. Bernstein, dismissed any suggestion that this case is about race. “Just as many white kids are caught up in this law as black kids.”

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List of Female Teachers / Sexual Predators (with photos)
-- all white, I believe

"Woman Charged with Kidnap, Rape of 10-year-old Student"

"What's Behind Today's Epidemic of Teacher-Student Sex?"

According to a major 2004 study commissioned by the U.S. Department of Education – the most in-depth investigation to date – nearly 10 percent of U.S. public school students have been targeted with unwanted sexual attention by school employees. [See article for techniques sexual predators use and how school administrators often look the other way and for causes and solutions.]

New Jersey Superior Court Judge Bruce A. Gaeta: "I really don't see the harm that was done here [to a a 13-year-old male student who had just completed 7th grade], and certainly society doesn't need to be worried. I do not believe she [43-year-old popular middle school teacher] is a sexual predator. It's just something between two people that clicked beyond the teacher-student relationship."

"Maybe it was a way for him, once this happened, to satisfy his sexual needs," the judge added. "People mature at different rates."

According to court transcripts, Gaeta summed up his shocking judicial leniency this way: "I don't see anything here that shows this young man has been psychologically damaged by her actions. And don't forget, this was mutual consent. Now certainly under the law, he is too young to legally consent, but that's what the law says. Some of the legislators should remember when they were that age. Maybe these ages have to be changed a little bit."

Translation: The 43-year-old teacher didn't really do anything wrong in having sex with a schoolboy, the kid wanted it, statutory rape laws are unrealistic and the age of consent should be lowered.

Oh, the sentence? Five years probation – no jail time.


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:26pm.

You are good. Smiling

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:46pm.

Just practicing to be your assistant, Mr. D.A. Laughing out loud

Know anyone like-minded to run for judge? Eye-wink


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:49pm.

As a matter of fact I know this guy....Eye-wink

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 11:32pm.

Definitely not! Unless he's changed, of course.

I sat in his courtroom quite a while ago when Ballard was defending a case (drug use), and Judge Edwards was EXCELLENT (also with a few other cases besides Ballard's). My distaste for Ballard goes back a long way.


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Submitted by pentapenguin on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:53pm.

Judge Edwards is very good...too bad all the other Superior Court judges aren't like him. Sad

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Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:56am.

Your friends situation is a true case of racism. There are so many false cries of racism that it dimishes the true cases. That is what I'm talking about.

You site a few different legal cases. I don't think that kid should be in jail either, and neither do most of the people in our country.

As for the lady who shot her husband, I thought she was out on bond, but has since been convicted? How about if we site some more cases. We have had 3 armed robberies in Fayette County in the last week and a half. The suspects were described as being black. I think that all of the sex offenders that granpa Murray and company have caught have been white. They have not described the suspects in the current sex abuse case in PTC, but I bet they are white.

We could one up each other all day long about the race of criminals and their crimes. I think we would come out even.

When people like mike vick make a claim of racism because they were caught in the middle of a crime ring I turn a deaf ear. If you want to talk about what is fair, how about this. Almost everytime a black man gets caught and arrested for a crime on the Atlanta news they claim it's racism. White people cannot use that excuse. Is that fair???? That is unequal too. That is reverse discrimination.

Can't we all just get along without ministers preaching a hate whitey message in church??

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 7:30am.

I am so tired of all of the racist comments by a few bloggers.
Why oh why, can't some people realize WE ARE all Americans!

MLK was a peaceful man. Smiling


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:58am.

Oh, everyuthing is just dandy!!! So lovely today----only 200 killed and 200 qounded and 9 American soldiers killed yesterday111
Isn't our stock market just wonderful, just lovely?
We are all Americans except the millions who are not, isn't that wonderful?
There are no "races" in our country, we are all grey! We all have the same wonderful heritage. We have three million in Jails!!
Being quiet aboyt everything will simply solve the problem. It gives me a belly ache!

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 12:16pm.

Cheerful today aren't we?

When we sing everybody hears us, when we sigh nobody hears us. Aesop

Tug Smiling

PS I do care about all of these things that you mention. But dollar you need to laugh sometimes. I think Jane is right, you are a "belly ache." Smiling


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 9:07am.

Must you be the devil's advocate on EVERY subject? I'm just amazed at how you can take the smallest, nice comment and make an issue out of it.

I can't help but wonder what has happened in your life that has made you so very negative and argumentative. There are folks who blog here who have had major sadness in their lives yet they are not nearly as bitter and hateful as you . . .what is your problem? Perhaps some on here could talk you through it and open up a whole new way of thinking for you. DURN!


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 11:55am.

Sounds like Rodney King whom the cops beat up: "can't we all just get along?" NO. Find something helpful to do or say!

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:37am.

I agree with you. Atlanta is the most racially divided and hateful area I have lived in.

We need to all pull together as Americans, not one race against another. That minister's(? I doubt he is a minister of much of anything) comments were very disturbing. How could someone who is supposedly a man of God have so much hate, and spread so much hate? I don't get it.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 8:38pm.

I have to be careful answering the Major's comments, and Mom's as well, not due to race or errors in this case on both parts, but due somewhat to a lot of truth in both cases, and some that is questionable.
One can't always tell what someone means by what they say.
I read the Church's statement as to what they are about (Obama's church). I assume it to be legitimate for now.
Some of it is radical and scares me some. Why profess loyalty to Africa above the USA? Why strongly indicate that it is a black church. Why have ten "Reverends" on the staff? It gives the appearance of a "job fair."
However we must remember that similar or worse things occur in white churches, some by deception, rather than by point blank words.
Churches are used for a whole different philosophy in the black community than in the white community. Many non-religious functions, such as politics occur in black churches. Rallies and marches are started and ended there,
On the other hand, white churches are either middle class or wealthy people in general. There are a significant number of primitives or
special appeal churches also.
Don't have room here for Jewish, Asian, Mormon, or Muslim religions. And of course scores of others.
Obama will suffer later for his church's belief statements: so will Romney, but the Catholics have broken through the barrier forever it seems.
All this again points out strongly that we MUST find a way to run on a philosophy of government that does not depend upon a certain religion. Fights for eternity will result if we don't. Examine the Muslims, just amongst themselves, and how we now equate Muslims with terrorists.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 8:32am.

All this again points out strongly that we MUST find a way to run on a philosophy of government that does not depend upon a certain religion.

This says it all - for the world!

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