800 students thrown out Fayette schools and cried discrimation?

got lawyers and most got back in? These were suppose to be non residence of this county. This is what I was told today. If someone can tell me if this is true or not, I would like to know.

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Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 08/13/2007 - 9:03pm.

It sounds pretty far-fetched. I think somone is just trying to stir up trouble.

You know all of the false charges and cries of racism really aren't helping. We hear these false charges so often that if a real case of racism were to occur no one would believe it. Too many cries of wolf.

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 7:18am.

I don't normaly stir things up, and I agree, the number is off the wall. But if you look at the 2 highschool closest to the lines you would see what I mean. I talked to a child going to Sandy Creek who said he/she was only one of 3/4 whites in all their classes. That does ...not...represent the local taxpayers in that area...so what else can you think? I have also been told, and it was from some of the Blacks I know, and this ...does..fit...and this is legals I'm talking about now, that they feel their kids are snubbed at the other schools, so they ask, and the school board lets, them transfer to Sandy Creek. This helps keep the other schools white. This also fits with the unexplainable fact that Sandy Creek and Fayette county high, always...have openings amd the others don't. How can you year after year have openings at these two schools, never do anything about it with the other white shcools being overcrowed? Then back to the Clayton county kids...we all remember the one that came to Whitewater to play ball last year, and when it came out he lived in Clayton county, the coach moved him in with him. If that was a white wanting to get out of Sandy creek to another school, no matter how dire the circumstances, I'm sure they would be told to suck it up and shut up. I have lost all faith in the school board to do the right thing, and trust what ...I see...and not what I'm told.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 5:46pm.

Just so you know....the kid that lived temporarily in Clayton County and played at WHS was doing so under GHSA guidelines, otherwise, I believe WHS would have had to forfeit all their wins (or something like that). There were extenuating circumstances that occured during his senior year (this student had attended WMS as well as WHS)and all that happened after the extenuating circumstances was done legally. If something happened to you, or your home, and you had to send your children (if you have them) to relatives for the time being wouldn't you want to know that they could still go to their own school(provided the relatives lived near by)? Wouldn't it be comforting to you, as a parent, to know that your child could still have at least that amount of normality in their lives? I don't think that the BOE really cares if the kids are black or white. As for the rest of the rumor....I don't believe that he moved in with the coach. My understanding is that the family was able to rent a home in Fayette County.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 7:47am.

clayton county = Clayton County
normaly = normally
highschool = high school
…does…fit = ?
legals = those that are legally allwoed
amd = and
shcools = schools
overcrowed = overcrowded

”the other white shcools being overcrowed?”

First of all, there are no “WHITE SCHOOLS” anywhere in the United States that I’m aware of.

Secondly, it appears that whatever school you attended was so over crowded that you took it upon yourself to help the situation by not attending.

News flash:

There is this new utility that was invented just for you yesterday called “Spell Check”. Try using it.

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 5:22pm.

you can make fun of the spelling all you want, and if I cared, I would correct it, that is about all you can polk at ...I know you would like to change the subject to spelling since bad Ptc...can only imply you ..live..in..and care for only ptc...but ..straight off the ajc for last year, and it is much worse and even less reflective of what lives in my area. Sandy Creek...the blackest, 51% white 41 black...that aint what lives here. Fayette High 54% white even though that area is blacker, and 33% Black. Whitewater...81% white...07..black ..(we won't even count imported Clayton county kid to play ball) McIntosh 79 and Starrs mill 86%...and let me say...yeah...yeah..this don't add to 100% but, I'm just taking black vs white,not adding in 'other'..You are busing kids from the extreme north Clayton county side, ...PAST... Fayette High over to Sandy Creek, nice when Whitwater sits there very smugly 81% white...why don't you share our joy? Give us the kids from our area...and you take the ones from yours? If the lines were ..redrawn...so these schools wouldn't always have open spots, you would see a tremendous difference in the ratios, and SAT scores...ours are the lowest in the county...what does the school board do.? Nothing! for us anyway....I am so sick of this smug BS I could puke...! We are the area sacrificed to keep your schools the way they are...I think Fayette county to be intergrated...should take them all and divide them equally among the schools! I think if that was done, you would see a big difference in how many kids from other areas just get to come here to play ball, or parents drive up with Clayton county tags...it is ok for you, as long as its not YOUR schools...what a bunch of hypocrites! My spelling is the least of the problem here! This county is not ...intergrated...only the north part of the county making a buffer for you... and having open spaces for the ones that get snubbed in your schools! It ...is ....Fayette county's dirty little secret!

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 9:23am.

Instead of being concerned with how well the FCBoE is educating our children, you and your kind more interested in crying race.

If your accusations were anywhere near true you could bet the “Al and Jessy Circus” along with a choirs of “Jesus only takes CA$H” from Rev. $, would have already come to town with tents and elephants. That hasn’t happened.

Fayette County High School
Great Schools Ratings 9
Stu/Teach 16
Black 28%
White 62%
% Ads > 15+ 14%
GHSGT Math 97%
GHSGT Reading 98%
GHSGT Science 84%
GHSGT Social Studies 95%

McIntosh High School
Great Schools Ratings 10
Stu/Teach 18
Black 9%
White 81%
% Ads > 15+ 9%
GHSGT Math 99%
GHSGT Reading 100%
GHSGT Science 95%
GHSGT Social Studies 99%

Sandy Creek High School
Great Schools Ratings 9
Stu/Teach 16
Black 39%
White 53%
% Ads > 15+ 9%
GHSGT Math 97%
GHSGT Reading 99%
GHSGT Science 85%
GHSGT Social Studies 96%

Starrs Mill High School
Great Schools Ratings 10
Stu/Teach 17
Black 7%
White 87%
% Ads > 15+ 7%
GHSGT Math 98%
GHSGT Reading 99%
GHSGT Science 88%
GHSGT Social Studies 96%

Whitewater High School
Great Schools Ratings 9
Stu/Teach 17
Black 14%
White 82%
% Ads > 15+ 5%
GHSGT Math 97%
GHSGT Reading 99%
GHSGT Science 87%
GHSGT Social Studies 97%


It sure doesn’t look like Sandy Creek High School is spitting out idiots to me.

Then again, maybe you went there and are holding their average down a bit.

94% of Fayette County High School Graduates go on to higher education.
source: 2001-2002 GA Public Education Report Card

The national average for the “South” is a whopping 50.1%.

I remember now, you think Ray Nagin is the best thing since sliced bread. You must be a supporter of City Councilmen, Oliver M. Thomas.

You tried your ‘race’ crap here before with New Orleans and got your butt kicked then too.

Take your tired, used-up ‘race’ argument and just go away. Nobody here, black or white, has time for little minds such as yours.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 9:33am.

These are the same facts I've been talking about elsewhere. Fact is, if you remove your child from a Fayette School for a Coweta School, you are taking them down a good many notches.

I still say, enforcement of illegal students should be a priority, and I see plenty of Coweta tags around Fayette Schools, so I'm not sure it's all coming from Clayton.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 5:39pm.

Either this was a badly written reply or I am incredibly dense. Where are the majority of the blacks living in Fayette County? Are they in the Sandy Creek school, Fayette County school, or Whitewater? If the lines were to be redrawn wouldn't there be a larger disparity?

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:07pm.

the majority of the black population lives in the fayette high school area, to keep if from being an all black school, if it was, they could ask for minority? to majority, so, they bus a bunch to us, not you, fayette high, whitewater, McIntosh or Starrs mill, us, Sandy Creek, people are moving out of here in droves, and not to any place in Fayette county, they are going to coweta, cause they are po ed at having to move in the first place. And don't give me any stuff about how we feel, you guys try it...take a few into your schools and keep them intergarted more than just a little 07% for Starr's Mill, 14% for Whitewater, 9% for McIntosh, and 33% for Fayette high, and see what happens to your SATS! If you think I'm so bad for saying this, show me how good you are, and do the right thing!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 9:23pm.

Last Saturday you were claiming all this compassion in yourself and your family, I think now you have outed yourself as just your garden variety racist, and maybe semi- goofy to boot, if things are so bad where you are MOVE and quit whining, and before you ask, my kid goes to FCHS and where does the bus going from our district to yours pick up all these people?

P.S. in case it matters I'm white, but I didn't get to pick.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by too bad on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 10:51am.

people's backs...that is what is happening with predatory lending and that is what is happening with the Flat Rock/ Sandy Creek schools. When you have schools with open slots next to a county line, you are going to have people coming ...across...the line and getting in. It is not fair to the people who ...moved...from Clayton to get away from them. They have paid their taxes and house notes here for their kids to have a better life, just as I have. When you make an investment like that you are going to make little Johnny behave. People live in other counties and find a loophole like the Mckinny law, or grandma, or whatever, prey on the system and the people who have paid their taxes here and played by the rules. Most of the time these kids are not taught to behave, they are there to prove a point, and it is now up to the school to raise them. Our school district lines have given us all the kids from the extreme North east side of Fayette county. We are at the extreme west side. These kids are bussed past Fayette county high school. These boundaries have needed to be redrawn so all the schools are full, not some overcrowded, and the 2 north ones with open slots. I have been told when they catch these kids they pull the race card and sue saying we have openings etc. and there goes that. It is not fair, and for years the school board has known of our plight and done nothing. Last year they ..tried..to redraw the lines and all the people with their kids in McIntosh etc, had a fit. It is good enough for us, but not good enough for them. It is perfectly acceptable for us to have kids bussed from the other side of the county etc, but, they are not gonna make their kids go to our schools even though they are much closer to us than the NE side of Fayette county. The problem is not the schools, it is what is in them and happening in them. Flat Rock made TV last year over t shirts. Blacks were wearing Malcolm X etc, and some girl wore a Dixie outfitters and all h... broke loose, not from the whites when the Blacks wore their Malcolm X, but the Blacks when the white girl wore her Dixie outfitters. I have heard the little girl was pushed in the halls, I don't know, not my kid. But the point is, if these schools were full, or the races were meted out to all schools equally, you would see the school board and the McIntosh/Whitewater etc, get real serious over those Clayton county license plates. In other words, the rest of the county, and the school board, has turned their backs on us, people are sick of it and moving, and not to some other place in Fayette, they don't want to give this county another penny. They have houses for sale now in Fayette and they are living in Coweta.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 1:33pm.

If you don't make it off others, who can you make it off? My dog maybe, but I don't give her cash, she's got this milk bone habit and no will power and we don't want to get into the tennis ball addiction thing.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by 1bighammer on Wed, 08/15/2007 - 12:24pm.

before you blow a gasket! You are never going to get people from the other districts to admit there is something wrong with the districts for the schools. It's a fact, you know it, and I know it. Can ANYONE give a logical reason why someone from River's Edge would be in Sandy Creek's District? I don't believe they can. That would be kinda like sending kids from Brooks to Sandy Creek...doesn't make any sense does it? But that's how the district is drawn for Sandy Creek.

That being said, my children go to Sandy Creek and are getting a great education. If a student wants an education, they can get it regardless of who they attend school with. Sure overall test scores can be affected by the masses, but I'm not concerned with the masses, I'm concerned with my children and they are doing great! I'll take Sandy Creek over ANY school in Coweta County ANY DAY!

I'll say this in closing. Mr.Rabold is a fine Principal. He recognizes that SC is the county's "Red Headed Step Child". However, he and his staff don’t sit around and whine about it they do their jobs and take pride in the excellence they achieve.

Oh, and don't lump Flat Rock into a discussion about Sandy Creek, their problems stem from an inept principal.

Submitted by too bad on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 9:24am.

You are right about they will never admit there is anything wrong with the district lines, until someone shoves down their throat what we have had to swallow. They really showed what hypocrites they are when they tried to redraw the school lines ..not ..THEIR KIDS. I have heard Rabold is good and does the best he can, but when a teacher spends time trying to raise little 'Johnny Clayton county', it takes away from the rest of the kids in the class. Then if you have a child who is not crazy about school in the 1st place, or is easily distracted, you have a real problem. A lot of the white kids boil inside when they have to listen to all the jive from the minute they hit the door till they leave. Same with some of the nice Black kids, but they have to take a back seat to all the BS, as do the teachers. Little Clayton county's parents would just love for the teachers to say anything they could sue over, and make money. Sandy Creek is the counties 'Red Headed Step child' and it is disgusting. People in the area have tried nicely to get the school board to hear them. I think if we can't, maybe the NAACP could convince them they need to have equal numbers in all the schools. Then, they would take our plight of being over run to heart. As for Flatt Rock, the same bunch just moves over a notch to Sandy Creek, I think they should invade McIntosh and Whitewater myself.

Submitted by 1bighammer on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 10:38am.

on one thing ...there is a problem with the boundaries. However, what we disagree on is which problems these boundaries create and just how bad they are. Obviously your children haven't had the experience that mine and many others have had at Sandy Creek. You seem to think that all the problems are created by the boundaries and the minority students they bring to Sandy Creek. To hear you tell it, Sandy Creek is overrun with out of control kids that constantly disrupt class so no one can learn. It just isn't so. As for Mr. Rabold he does MORE than just "what he can". He expects excellence of the students at Sandy Creek and in return, the vast majority give it to him.

To your point about Flat Rock, yes they do move over to Sandy Creek but their behavior for the most part does not. Flat Rock's principal, is an enabler to all those little heathens. Once they get to Sandy Creek they find out quick that it isn't tolerated.

Oh and as far as the NAACP getting involved...I don't believe you want to open that can of worms.

Submitted by too bad on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 11:08am.

I saw all the Clayton county tags 1st hand and realized the school board isn't going to do anything. As for what is happening at Sandy creek, two little girls have told be both last year and this one, that it has gotten worse, not better. I kept hoping for a change, for their sake, cause they can't go anywhere else. As far a whip and chair, I guess what was in the papers about Flat rock last year kinda proves that. I don't know anything about the principle at FR other than someone said, and I don't know for sure, that he is Oliver's nephew, if so, that may be reason to pretend nothing is wrong. But, you can just do so much with what you have. As for the NAACP, let the county school board deal with them, not ..MY..problem any more...I had to pony up money for mine to go someplace else to get an education. Since my property values are ruined and the school board could care les about what has happened to this area...it might just be cold comfort...which is more than any other I have gotten out of this overprced nightmare!

Submitted by 1bighammer on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 11:35am.

thing works out for you and your kids. Moving them to a private school is a cop out. I mean its up to you. If you want your kids to go through life avoiding problems rather than facing them head on, then its the right move for you. As for going "someplace else to get an education", well whatever makes you sleep better at night. Eventually your little girls are going to have to live in the real world where they will have to deal with people of all types. Will they be prepared to do so after spending time at a whitewashed school?

Submitted by too bad on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 11:46am.

do you show your kids what life is about by taking them to a bar and exposing them to drunks, or move to a drug infested neighborhood so they can see how the other half lives? I don't think so. I don't want my kids to face 'other' peoples problems head on. I want other people around them with the same kind of morals and values, I think.. you... are the one coping out. I have always put my kid/kids first and not my wallet or convience. I was stupid enough to think if I paid high taxes of Fayette, I would get the same treatment as other taxpayers in the McIntosh, Whitewater etc districts...they are catered to...we are not....

Submitted by 1bighammer on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 2:06pm.

Ok. Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you feel better.

No I don't show my kids what life is about by taking them to a bar and exposing them to drunks, or moving to a drug infested neighborhood so they can see how the other half lives. But I'm not going to whitewash the world for them either. You said we should get the same treatment as other districts, yes you are right, but do you really think that problems don't exist in those districts too? Morals and Values??? Its not up to OTHER people to give your children Morals or Values...that's your job. Does it make it more difficult when they are around some people who don't hold those same morals and values? Yes it does, but it isn't impossible. By the time children reach High School they should have a basic Moral compass, and if they don't ...well who's to blame then? The School or the parents? I'd say the latter.

If you aren't happy with Sandy Creek and like McIntosh or Whitewater so much ...why not move into one of those districts since you "have always put my kid/kids first and not my wallet or convience". No you'd rather stay in the district, complain to everyone that Sandy Creek is so bad that you "HAD" to put your kids in Private school.

Submitted by too bad on Thu, 08/16/2007 - 4:58pm.

a. my kids already have values, and I would like them to be around others with the same morals and values.

b. I also said that the people in this area have chose ...not...to waste anymore taxes in the county. I feel the same. When I moved here I liked the northern part of the county better, but it has changed due to the schools, I almost bought a house in the Starr's mill district, but didn't.

I have my kids out of harm's way ...aren't you that guy that use to live in a trailer that when he starts spouting his ideas, people just get scarce? I think I know who you are.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 9:15pm.

I get the Harmony Village and Balmoral apts going to Starrs Mill. My frustration is with the parents. Living in Fayette County should mean you have standards. Standards in how your children behave, and approach learning. I'm not talking about material wealth. Just good parenting, and getting help for the children that are below standards.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 10:53am.

Pot is black, the pot is black!!!

Or, is it Elmer Fudd talking?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 2:38pm.

But I'll give you the point for seeing it first.

Submitted by wildcat on Mon, 08/13/2007 - 8:20pm.

I haven't heard anything about that. Who told you this?

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