FreeSpeech for 8-08-07

Tue, 08/07/2007 - 4:02pm
By: The Citizen

So the county commission is retreating to Callaway Gardens. Hmmm, I have a suggestion: Why don’t you retreat to the new $3 million Kenwood Recreation Park in North Fayette? That would save the taxpayers $5,000. I received a tax increase this year. Is this to help fund the Recreation Red Hat Society program? What part of the Red Hat Society falls under the recreation program? Is taking Fayette County taxpayers’ vans shopping in Alabama part of a recreation program? I guess it could fall under the walking program: they have to walk from the van to the shop to spend sales tax in another state. I get the picture. Also, to the Peachtree City councilman that is running for county commissioner: Since you voted yourself a doubled pay raise, I assume you will do the same on the county commission. Why is it that when people run for office, pay their qualifying fee, know what the salary for the part-time job is, then all of a sudden decide they need to raise their pay? What happened to the term “public servant”?

- - - - - - - -

Being a United States Marine Corps 100-percent service-connected combat veteran of the Vietnam War with injuries, I understand the fact that 100-percent combat veterans are exempt from taxes on a state and federal level. But being a resident of Fayetteville, I am constantly told I have to pay school taxes in the amount of $2,000 dollars or more a year (which I do pay) but when I question veterans of other surrounding counties, they tell me I should not be paying these excessive taxes, since I am 100-percent service connected disabled. Does Fayetteville love their combat veterans? When I go to the tax office, they advise they have their rules. Help me understand rules compared to state/federal veterans benefits.

- - - - - - - -

One wonders why ol’ McNally doesn’t call up Peter and tell him, “Thanks but no thanks for the help,” and get him to quit writing those letters to the editor. After all, it was Peter who wrote the typically sleazy letter to the editor implying that Eric Maxwell represented child molesters and it backfired and may well have been the difference in that election, decided by less than 20 votes. Poor McNally. His law firm is feverishly bailing water out of the sinking S.S. Carpetbagger and he has to deal with Popular Peter’s Public Praises.

- - - - - - - -

If the PTC Council’s salaries were based on merit, they shouldn’t get the raise. Did Plunkett research the requirements for the council job when she ran for office? She seems utterly amazed that she has to attend meetings and answer email. She’s content to take away other employees’ compensation, but don’t they attend more meetings and answer more email than Plunkett? I hope Mr. King runs a campaign based on restoring honesty and integrity back to PTC government.

- - - - - - - -

To the Peachtree City Council: Consider the stupid bike race you wasted our tax dollars on as your pay increase. Dar Thompson told us he would be mayor WITHOUT a pay check. Steve Brown didn’t ask for a pay raise either. Why does this group of do-nothings deserve a pay raise? We need some unselfish caring people to run for the City Council.

- - - - - - - -

If an employee under my charge asked for a pay raise after promising me solid results and failed to produce, I can promise you there would be consequences and I’m not talking about a pay raise. Mayor Logsdon thinks he is his own boss. His pushing for a 100 percent pay raise is an insult to us all. His whimsical comments on the subject are not appreciated either.

- - - - - - - -

When the garbage truck fails to show on a day scorching hot, / Mysterious creatures begin to emerge; I’d much rather they not. / Calling the office time and again, this is what they say, / “We’re running behind, but don’t worry, our truck is on the way.” / Two days pass and still no sign, where can they possibly be? / Swarming flies and crawling critters are all that I can see. / Saturday comes and Sunday goes; the truck has not arrived. / My garbage container begins to quiver; I think it is coming alive. / Monday dawns on a cloud of stink; the street is starting to mourn. / If Cardinal Sanitation is your garbage service, all be forewarned.

- - - - - - - -

Fayette County schools are all supposed to be very much top-notch. Well, one of your schools in Peachtree City has machines trying to kill the mold smell. That will not work or have you all thought about fixing the problem? As a parent I am glad my child does not attend that school because I would have news reporters all over the campus. Please stop ignoring the problem and fix the mold problem.

- - - - - - - -

I would like to respond to the grandmother who graciously helped her grandchildren with school supplies this year. As a teacher in the county, I would like for you and other parents/grandparents to know how very much every classroom teacher appreciates your donation of supplies. Please know also that I have never met a teacher in my career that would return an item because it was not a “name brand” item. Most teachers in Fayette County receive $75 to $100 at their school to purchase supplies for the entire school year for their students. A regular classroom teacher has an average of 25 students in a class. This money must purchase construction paper of numerous colors, pipe cleaners, craft sticks, Sharpies, pencils, glue, staples, various types of tape, large sheets of poster board, note pads, numerous folders and writing paper, markers, crayons, project paper, Kleenex, Band-aids, hand sanitizer, etc., for the entire year. $100 does not go very far. We have been fortunate over the last two years to receive an additional $100 from our governor to help with our supplies. Obviously, when you do the math, even $200 will not take 25 students through an entire school year with the extended projects, fun learning activities, and differentiating and challenging instruction for all students. As a result, I have personally spent an additional $350 this summer on my credit card so that my students have a welcoming treat at “Meet the Teacher,” some new books in my personal classroom library, pillows, area rugs, lamps, educational games, and numerous other items which make my students feel welcome, comfortable, and challenged. Since I was a parent before I became a teacher, I understand how expensive this gets and have purchased the many items needed by my own children over the years to meet the educational challenges in today’s global society. However, please know that any child who comes to us empty-handed on the first day of school will be provided the items she/he needs by any teacher or school in this system. Over the years I have personally purchased more than several student book bags, lunch boxes, binders, dividers, two-pocket folders, pencils, pens, white-out, and composition books. I have also paid for damaged library books, purchased students’ lunches, and ice cream from time to time. I have seen many teachers do the same thing over the years and when the end of the year comes; many of us have worked for a much lesser salary than you might think. The challenges of teaching are greater than the average citizen knows, and they become more complex each year. As a result of these demands, we are gradually losing some wonderful educators to early retirement or other professions. I want to say thank you to all the parents and extended family members who truly support the classroom teacher and appreciate our efforts. A few of you that are able come in and out of the schools and classrooms constantly asking how you can help us and what do we need. There is no one more important to you than your own child and many of us strive endlessly to let your children know that they are important to us as well. Your support, whether at school or from home, goes a very long way and on behalf of many teachers; thank you.

- - - - - - - -

To the grandmother shopping for school supplies: Shame on the teachers for asking your grandchildren to bring supplies to school. I can’t believe the teachers ask for soap, hand sanitizer, and paper towels to keep their classrooms clean and germ-free. How ridiculous of the teachers to want the children to stay healthy. Shame on the teachers to recommend quality, name-brand supplies that will actually last for the whole school year. How ridiculous of the teachers to want you to get the most for your money. I don’t know what the teachers are doing with the whopping $200 they get per year to buy supplies for 20 students for the entire school year. How ridiculous that they spend hundreds of their own dollars to make sure your grandchildren receive a quality education. Finally, you are right —some children do not bring supplies and guess who pays for those? Right again, it is those ridiculous teachers.

- - - - - - - -

I would like to address the comment made regarding the B.B. King concert. We enjoy these concerts and music and like to show the artist we do appreciate their talent. Therefore, I would recommend you doing the same. [And] Yes, we love to dance and have a good time. In the near future I would suggest you get up and enjoy the concert and life, or could it be you are simply jealous of our seats?

- - - - - - - -

Attention, Peachtree City path users: PTC Public Works has informed me that they have never had a complaint about the bicyclists speeding down the hills, terrorizing the walkers. Call Public Works; get your voice heard. Let’s slow down the bikers.

- - - - - - - -

At the July 19, 2007 PTC Council Meeting, Mr. Joe Frazar spoke in support of the bond referendum to expand the Gathering Place. He was wearing his Kiwanis shirt and based on the comments he made, it appeared to those citizens that I have talked to that attended the meeting, that the Kiwanis Club of PTC was in support of the bond referendum. The write-up in the weekend edition also gives that impression. I don’t know Mr. Frazar’s intent; however, it has been the policy of the Kiwanis Club, for the 11 years that I have been a member, not to take a position on political issues. The bond referendum is a political issue. It is a fact that the membership of the Kiwanis Club of PTC has not taken a position on this issue. There are members on both sides of the issue and some that have not yet decided how they will vote. Mr. Frazar’s comments, according to the paper, he “would expect the Kiwanis Club to be a regular user of the community center.” It is possible that Kiwanis MAY use the facility if it is approved by the voters. However, no such commitment has been made to date and the membership has not been approached on the issue. There are a number of issues that will have to be addressed before Kiwanis would decide to use the facility. Therefore, I urge all voters to vote as they see fit on this issue; however, do not support the bond referendum because you think the Kiwanis Club of PTC is supporting it.

- - - - - - - -

I can find no fault with the personnel or the physical layout of the Kedron Kroger supermarket or any other Kroger store, for that matter. However, I find one comment by a recent writer in conflict with the facts. An “over-priced retailer like Publix” is a misstatement because recently Kroger’s prices have sky-rocketed and now Publix is just as cheap or cheaper, plus they now give senior discounts and double coupons just like Kroger. I think the problem is the lack of competition in the food market industry in this area. In most other cities you will find a dozen supermarkets where we only have four or five in PTC.

- - - - - - - -

All the negative information about universal health care must come from people in the health care industry. The truth about free health care in most countries that have it is far from what you read in the newspapers here. I lived in Japan for many years and they have free health care. I received far better medical attention there than I do for the astronomically expensive care I get here in this country. I never had more than a few minutes’ wait when I visited a doctor and if medication is required it is given to you by the doctor at no cost. You never get a prescription to be filled at a 2000 percent mark-up as you do here. The cost of health care in this country is completely out of control and people are dying every day because it is out of reach for low income families who have no insurance. Many more hard-working people are going bankrupt just trying to keep their health through this most costly health care system on earth. It is time for a change.

- - - - - - - -

The next time you complain about your homeowner’s association, consider that without a homeowner’s association — Your neighbor may believe that their behavior has no effect on your property values, nor will you be offended by mowing their lawn whenever the mood strikes. This may take a month or two. Eventually trimming their hedges that have not been trimmed in a couple of years. The trimmings may lie on the lawn for a couple of months; however, they will be in an attractive black plastic trash bag. A swimming pool in the driveway? No problem. Hey, it might be December before it gets put away. Just in time for Christmas, when the lights will be removed next spring. Permanent toys in the front yard? A-OK. Sporadic projects that linger in the driveway/yard for a year or so. Multiple planters with no plants in them on a small lot. Throw in a few lawn ornaments. In short, Sanford and Son. Is this a temporary situation? No, this a way of life. In the future, I will never buy a home without a homeowner’s association. Should I call the PTC code enforcement folks? Sure. Just leave a message; maybe they’ll call. It’s been over a year and I’m still waiting. I know that they’re busy trying to enforce the PTC quality of life. If you’ve been harassed by them, please send them to my neighborhood.

- - - - - - - -

Just a note of thanks to Peachtree City Code Enforcement for doing your job. I recently received a notice on my front porch, and since it was laying on my front porch I am glad it was not windy or rainy that day, telling me I needed to move a car off the grass because it has to be parked on gravel. Since I live in a household that owns more than one car, instead of killing one small spot of grass in the yard, I now have to drive around any cars parked behind mine to get out of the yard and kill lots of grass in the process. Thanks for your efforts in helping to beautify the city because all of that dead grass is going to look very attractive. And while I am at it, how about a note to all of the dog walkers out there who walk your dogs on the golf cart paths which run through people’s yards and then let your dogs do their business on the nice fresh cut grass of homes who have small children who might enjoy going barefoot in the summer in their own front yard and since some do not have pets of their own, we get to enjoy your dog doo. Please carry your pooper scooper with you and use it or keep your dog on the cart path.

- - - - - - - -

I would like to say to the staff at “The Good Samaritans” you should pack up everything that you have and go home. You say that you are there to help the residents of Fayette County, but when they come there you treat them like they are nothing. Some of you are very very rude and unprofessional. Just because someone gets in a bind and need a little help doesn’t make them any less of a person. You need to take a look in the mirror and evaluate yourself. The same person that you are mistreating may very well be a blessing in your life in some way or another.

- - - - - - - -

There will be a RAP (Robbers, Assailants and Pedophiles) meeting in the parking lot between the cheap flick and Dollar General every afternoon and evening until further advised. If “5-0” gits down, we’ll git down at Tinseltown. Know whut I’m saying?

- - - - - - - -- - - - - - - -

I heard a rabid caller to a top-rated radio talk show make the following statement: “Anybody that would take away a man’s livelihood over something as insignificant as dog fighting is a racist and a hypocrite.” Insignificant? This widespread mentality reveals a total lack of conscience. It is twisted, sick, and most of all, frightening. What else does it tell you? It tells me that these cold-hearted criminals are capable of taking human life without as much as a whimper. How can any human rejoice and revel over the heinous torture and slow, terrifying death of a dog? Regardless of what you believe, these barbaric purveyors of evil will be brought to justice either in this life or the next. They are unimaginably cruel. They show no compassion, remorse or mercy. They should receive no less than they give. Some counties in Georgia are offering rewards for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone conducting a dog fight. I’d like to see this statewide. I’d make a nice donation in a heartbeat. Let’s also get the law changed to make attending a dog fight a felony. Let’s put these low-life scumbags out of business.

- - - - - - - -

Am I the only American who finds it concerning that Mitt Romney, a Mormon, is making a run for the White House? Americans need to realize that Mormonism is a false Christian religion and a cult. The ubiquitous Mormon missionaries lure people into their lair by claiming to be Christians and by talking about “Our Heavenly Father” and Jesus. However, there are some very major and concerning differences between mainstream Christian denominations and the Latter Day Saints that most people do not know. Among other things, they believe that “God” was once a man and was born on another planet in the universe. Because of good deeds on his planet he was made a god and sent to earth. He is married to many women, but chose one to accompany him to earth. They believe that we were all once spirits in another realm and that we are all the product of a “physical” union between their god and goddess. This is why Mormons do not use birth control; they feel that they have to provide earthly babies for all of these spirits to inhabit. Unbelievably, they hold as truth that Jesus was the first of these spirits born into a human body and that He was conceived when their god had physical relations with Mary. Most shocking is their tenet that Lucifer is Jesus’ brother. Finally, they teach that we all have the potential to be a god, and that we can enter the third and highest tier of heaven by good works, temple membership and earning the knowledge of four secret handshakes. The Mormon organization is deceitful and dangerous. When those nice young men in their tidy black pants, white shirt and tie ride up to your door on their bicycles, grab your Bible, say a prayer that the Holy Spirit speaks through you, and invite them in.

The number one best-selling children’s book at Miss Magnolia Blossom’s Book Barn and Rasslin’ Arena titled, “Did Y’all See Spot Run and Bite the Arrogant Yankee,” is based on a true and compelling story of undulating political power and conflict in a fashionable Southern community. It centers around the 2006 Fayette County elections when old Spot chewed the seat out of Greg Dunn’s britches.

login to post comments

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Submitted by Mitt Romney in 2008 on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 11:45pm.

I'm not clear on who the author is that writes about Mitt Romney and the subject of Mormons. He or she (the author) is either very badly misinformed or is intentionally spreading lies and should not be writing this outlandish stuff on a news site. I have studied Mormonism for twenty plus years. Mormons are Christians. They believe as most Christians do. They believe in everything that is in the Bible. I'm not going to address each insane thing that this person is writing as this would be a waste of my time. Let me just say that most all Mormons that read what the author had to say would think it was ridiculous. There is no reason to fear Mitt Romney as a presidential candidate who is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If you got to know him personally you would find him to be so much like a Baptist, Methodist, or Catholic person who is devout. Mitt Romney believes in the same God as all Christians. He has accepted Jesus as his personal savior. He will lead the country in a Christian manner as well as any other president that has held the office.

muddle's picture
Submitted by muddle on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:38am.

A few years ago, a wonderful family who lived next door moved away. We had gotten to know them rather well, had dined with them, knew all of the kids. The husband and I would waste lots of time standing out in the yard, chatting.

They were Mormons.

I've known few families as harmonious as this one. And I've known few people who displayed genuine Christian virtues as did this man and wife. I truly miss them.

But is it strictly true that there is a seamless move between evangelical Christianity and Mormonism? I do not think so. There are lots of ways, some of more gravity than others, in which they differ. What I consider to be the sharpest and perhaps the more serious difference has to do with how they conceive the Creator-creature relationship.

Classical biblical theology has maintained that there is a qualitative difference between God and any created thing. The difference is not merely one of degree, as though God and we are on a shared continuum.

Mormon theology on this point has been captured in a little couplet:
"As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become." (Google the words to this couplet and see what you discover.)

Mormon hope conceives of a state in which the redeemed Mormon believer one day becomes a "god" to his own "creation" just as the person who is "god" to us is related to this creation.

This implies that God is possessed of a physical body such as ourselves. But the Christian scriptures maintain that God is spirit.

This also implies polytheism rather than monotheism. But scripture affirms monotheism in no uncertain terms.

It also implies that God is not the ultimate reality, as classical biblical theology has conceived God to be. Rather, what is ultimate is a kind of evolutionary process that includes both God and us.

In this case, I'm not sure that it is as appropriate to fall on our faces in worship of God as the saints in Revelation are found doing, as it is to send him a greeting card, graduating him on his achievement.

Submitted by Bot on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 9:10am.

." The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) is often accused of not believing in Christ and, therefore, not being a Christian religion This article helps to clarify such misconceptions by examining early Christianity's comprehension of baptism, the Godhead, the deity of Jesus Christ and His Atonement.

• Baptism: .

Early Christian churches, practiced baptism of youth (not infants) by immersion by the father of the family. The local congregation had a lay ministry. An early Christian Church has been re-constructed at the Israel Museum, and the above can be verified.
The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) continues baptism and a lay ministry as taught by Jesus’ Apostles. Early Christians were persecuted for keeping their practices sacred, and prohibiting non-Christians from witnessing them.

• The Trinity: .

A literal reading of the New Testament points to God and Jesus Christ , His Son , being separate , divine beings , united in purpose. . To whom was Jesus praying in Gethsemane, and Who was speaking to Him and his apostles on the Mount of Transfiguration?

The Nicene Creed”s definition of the Trinity was influenced by scribes translating the Greek manuscripts into Latin. The scribes embellished on a passage explaining the Trinity , which is the Catholic and Protestant belief that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The oldest versions of the epistle of 1 John, read: "There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water and the blood and these three are one."

Scribes later added "the Father, the Word and the Spirit," and it remained in the epistle when it was translated into English for the King James Version, according to Dr. Bart Ehrman, Chairman of the Religion Department at UNC- Chapel Hill. He no longer believes in the Nicene Trinity. .

Scholars agree that Early Christians believed in an embodied God; it was neo-Platonist influences that later turned Him into a disembodied Spirit. Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was also part of Early Christian belief. The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views the Trinity as three separate divine beings , in accord with the earliest Greek New Testament manuscripts.

• The Deity of Jesus Christ

Mormons hold firmly to the deity of Christ. For members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS), Jesus is not only the Son of God but also God the Son. Evangelical pollster George Barna found in 2001 that while only 33 percent of American Catholics, Lutherans, and Methodists (28 percent of Episcopalians) agreed that Jesus was “without sin”, 70 percent of Mormons believe Jesus was sinless.

• The Cross and Christ’s Atonement: .

The Cross became popular as a Christian symbol in the Fifth Century A.D. . Members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) believe the proper Christian symbol is Christ’s resurrection , not his crucifixion on the Cross. Many Mormon chapels feature paintings of the resurrected Christ or His Second Coming. Furthermore, members of the church believe the major part of Christ’s atonement occurred in the Garden of Gethsemane as Christ took upon him the sins of all mankind.

• Definition of “Christian”: .

But Mormons don’t term Catholics and Protestants “non-Christian”. They believe Christ’s atonement applies to all mankind. The dictionary definition of a Christian is “of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to a religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ”: All of the above denominations are followers of Christ, and consider him divine, and the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament. They all worship the one and only true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and address Him in prayer as prescribed in The Lord’s Prayer.

It’s important to understand the difference between Reformation and Restoration when we consider who might be authentic Christians. If members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) embrace early Christian theology, they are likely more “Christian” than their detractors.

• The Need for a Restoration of the Christian Church:

The founder of the Baptist Church in America, Roger Williams, just prior to leaving the church he established, said this:

"There is no regularly constituted church of Christ on earth, nor any person qualified to administer any church ordinances; nor can there be until new apostles are sent by the Great Head of the Church for whose coming I am seeking.” (Picturesque America, p. 502.)

Martin Luther had similar thoughts: "Nor can a Christian believer be forced beyond sacred Scriptures,...unless some new and proved revelation should be added; for we are forbidden by divine law to believe except what is proved either through the divine Scriptures or through Manifest revelation."

He also wrote: "I have sought nothing beyond reforming the Church in conformity with the Holy Scriptures. The spiritual powers have been not only corrupted by sin, but absolutely destroyed; so that there is now nothing in them but a depraved reason and a will that is the enemy and opponent of God. I simply say that Christianity has ceased to exist among
those who should have preserved it."

The Lutheran, Baptist and Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) churches recognize an apostasy from early Christianity. The Lutheran and Baptist churches have attempted reform, but Mormonism (and Roger Williams, and perhaps Martin Luther) require inspired restoration, so as to re-establish an unbroken line of authority and apostolic succession.

* * *
• Christ-Like Lives:

The 2005 National Study of Youth and Religion published by UNC-Chapel Hill found that Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) youth (ages 13 to 17) were more likely to exhibit these Christian characteristics than Evangelicals (the next most observant group):

Attend Religious Services weekly
Importance of Religious Faith in shaping daily life – extremely important
Believes in life after death
Believes in psychics or fortune-tellers
Has taught religious education classes
Has fasted or denied something as spiritual discipline
Sabbath Observance
Shared religious faith with someone not of their faith
Family talks about God, scriptures, prayer daily
Supportiveness of church for parent in trying to raise teen (very supportive)
Church congregation has done an excellent job in helping teens better understand their own sexuality and sexual morality

LDS Evangelical
71% 55%
52 28
76 62
0 5
42 28
68 22
67 40

72 56
50 19

65 26

84 35

The 5-0's picture
Submitted by The 5-0 on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 9:27am.

You forgot to mention a few important things in your post:

1- Mormons believe that God was once a mortal man on an alien planet. God had a mortal wife and once God died, he became a god of his own planet. He and his wife had "spiritual children." Two of these "spiritual children" were Jesus and Lucifer. According to the Mormons, Jesus tricked Lucifer somehow and became his father's chosen son on Earth. This is why Jesus and the Devil hate each other.

2- If you are a good male Mormon, when you die you too will be made a god of your own alien planet. If you liked your mortal wife, you can choose to bring her into your heaven and you two will re-populate the planet with your spiritual children.

3- According to official Mormon history, Jesus (after ascending into Heaven) returned to Earth and preached to the Native Americans.

4- It is also stated that a group of Aryan (blond haired, blue eyed) people (possibly a lost tribe of Israel) lived in central America. They were the first TRUE Mormons and they were God's chosen people. They were gods over the meso-americans until the Dark-skinned people of the Devil overthrew the Aryan Mormons and destroyed their advanced civilization.

5- The Garden of Eden is NOT in the Middle East, it is somewhere in Western or Mid-Western United States. (Some would say it is Salt Lake City).

Just wanted to make sure that people see ALL sides to the LDS religion.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:59am.

My understanding: God is Spirit. . and man is created in the image of God. Therefore man is not material, but spiritual. Now I'm sure there are those who do not share my understanding of God and man. I'm sure that there are leaders of this nation who have a different understanding of God. What wisdom our forefathers had in separating church (religion) and state. Mr. Romney has demonstrated his belief in a Christian/Judaic way of life - and a respect for the citizens of this country to enjoy freedom of worship - as have all of the presidential candidates. Thanks for the clarification of Mormonism. .and I hope readers are able to discern fact from fable and vote for the person who demonstrates respect for humankind and law. . .regardless of their chosen religious belief.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 8:20am.

Plase explain how if God is a Spirit (not human) how we can be a Spirit (not human). Spiritual is different than a Spirit, I think.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 2:41pm.

I shared my understanding of my faith. . .and I quoted the Bible - God is Spirit - not a spirit. There is no arguing my understanding of my faith - because I realize others have different understandings. Just wanted to point out why politics and religion should not mix. People should be judged on how they treat others - their actions are a window to their belief. Our president puts his hand on the Bible - and promises to follow our Constitution - not his religious leader. Most of our leaders have done just that.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 3:43am.

Only devout people I know are Monks, and I suspect some of them!
Is the Pope also devout?
How about the Arch Bishop of Canterbury?
How about Billy Graham?
Kow about Mullah Omar?
How about the Dali Lama?
How about Ted Haggard?
and on and on.
A national politician and devout!!!!! WOW.

Submitted by susieq on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 7:31pm.

To the teacher who said:
"I have personally spent an additional $350 this summer on my credit card so that my students have a welcoming treat at “Meet the Teacher,” some new books in my personal classroom library, pillows, area rugs, lamps, educational games, and numerous other items which make my students feel welcome, comfortable, and challenged."

I say, WHAT? You're teaching at a school, not the Ritz-Carlton.
Pillows? Area rugs? How big is your classroom?

chippie's picture
Submitted by chippie on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 10:56pm.

The elementary school our children attended DID have area rugs and pillows, usually in the Pre-K through First or Second grade classrooms.

From my own experience of volunteering with reading in the classes, I noticed most little ones behave better, learn better and pay more attention if they are comfortable, and that usually meant being stretched out on a rug or sitting on a pillow.

I do think the comfort factor is important for those young children making the transition from home to a more structured learning environment.

If a child fell asleep on a pillow or rug, the attitude was usually to let them get a little nap, because if they are that tired, they won't learn anything while struggling to stay awake. Plus, not every child comes from a home where the parents make sure they eat well, go to bed at a reasonable time, help with homework - if needed, etc.

All schools, no matter if it's an elementary, middle or high school, need adult volunteers. You can't imagine what it's really like in a classroom until you've spent time in a classroom.

Susieq, I'd like to recommend you help out in a Kindergarten class for an hour each week. I think you'll find you are the one benefitting the most from all the hugs you receive and happiness that greets you when you walk into the class.

Submitted by susieq on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 11:22pm.

Certainly there are children who never get hugs at home and they need them. Also children who do get hugs want more of them. I can understand children in Pre-K and first grade needing naps, but I was not aware that they were allowed to take a nap at school.

You're right. I have not been in a classroom in...let's see...I can't begin to count the years on my fingers and toes. I'm just not aware of what goes on in school these days. That explains the pillows and rugs. Thanks.

chippie's picture
Submitted by chippie on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:08am.

Just because you don't have a little one in school anymore doesn't mean you can't go read to them - and you may be surprised at how grateful the teacher would be to you, too. And all those little person hugs - priceless! Smiling

As far as naps go, they weren't a daily thing. If they did start becoming regular, the teacher would contact the parent to let them know.

Our elementary school even had lofts in the Pre-K, K, and First grade classrooms. Granted they weren't very high, but when I first saw them, I thought that was the neatest thing. After seeing the students climb up on top and spend their reading time totally immersed in a book, I began to understand the value of having those lofts, pillows, rugs and even love seats or rocking chairs.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 9:35pm.

I can't speak for elementary, but at the high school level dept money pays for pens, calcs, lab supplies, etc and if a teacher wants anything above and beyond that, he/she must pay for it. That includes posters, printers and other such items. Most of the teachers in my dept pooled our Sonny money and this year we bought a scanner, printer and ink because as river stated....when the school uses network printers and one or both go down, or are in use by others and a deep line is forming, can get in a bind. Last year we bought three printers and ink with our Sonny money. A lot of teachers, though, have bought their own printers with their own money and must supply the ink as well.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:21am.

Thank you for all that you do for the children in this county. Most people don't have a clue about your dedication and unselfishness. Your ability to work cooperatively with the parents in this county is a testament to your creative and understanding people skills. The children's test scores and the support that you have from this community is a testament to your academic skills. Have a wonderful year - and thanks!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 3:31am.

This conversation is confusing! It seems that you are saying that teachers in Fayette spend several hundred dollars of their salary for school supplies.
I also know that parents purchase several hundred for their students.
Assuming all those purchases by both teachers, parents, and what the school furnishes are all necessary, why wouldn't it be more organized and less embarrassing for the county to furnish this stuff?
Never enough money you say?
Maybe the Super could buy it from his quarter million per year, including perks cars, health, dental, eye, insurance, etc.?
Not trying to be cute, but isn't all this ridiculous? Happens every year.....poor teachers, we say! Let us stop it.

Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:26am.

Since when is health insurance for underpaid public servants considered a 'perk'?

Cyclist's picture
Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:31am.

Sometimes he acts as though he is a hard core conservative and other times a hard core liberal. Maybe it's a Dr Jekyll Mr Hyde problem.
Conservatism – apply it directly to the forehead.

River's picture
Submitted by River on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 7:49pm.

As a male teacher, I don't buy fru-fru rugs or pillows, but I guarantee that most teachers spend several hundred dollars each year on extras for their classes. I think the average is about $400. I just spent over $300 on a laser printer that I will use mostly to print handouts for my classes. We have a office printer at the school for that purpose, but it is occasionally out of order, or out of paper, so every teacher I know has to occasionally print out their own handouts. Imagine you are about to give a test, you need 30 more copies, and the office printer goes on the fritz. What do you do now? Well, most teachers have been in that situation at some point, and having your own printer can be a real lifesaver.

Different teachers spend money on different things, depending on their personal style, but we ALL spend our own money on supplies for the classroom. That is completely voluntary on our part, so I'm not asking for any cash donations, but your moral support would be nice.

Submitted by susieq on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 9:01pm.

Teachers have my moral support. I understand that they have to spend their own money for supplies. I know that they spend more time doing paperwork than teaching when their calling is to be a teacher. But, personally, I just don't believe pillows and rugs fall under the category of school supplies. Sorry.

River's picture
Submitted by River on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 9:17pm.

Personally, I tend to agree with you about pillows and rugs, but then, I'm male. Depending on the type of class being taught, it could be important to establish that kind of atmosphere. I'm guessing that's more for grade school or middle school than high school. Maybe some other teacher can pipe in about that--it's not my "cup of tea". However, I know enough to say that it's not as foolish as it sounds to spend money on those sorts of things.

Have a good night!

Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 8:44pm.

I think the average is about $400.

My recently retired teacher bride easily spent that or more every year to properly support her teaching needs in the classroom. Thanks for your sacrifice.

Dude, Thanks for teaching. Our kids need some good male role models in our schools. Hope you're one of them. Smiling My daughter had one last year in elementary that impacted her tremendously in her history studies. He made a difference in her learning and we hated to see him move from our school.

It's a crying shame they didn't take the 11% raise they gave DeCostis and apply that toward homeroom supplies. He may be a decent administrator but dang!!!!

BTW... Your name should start with a capital "R". LOL Smiling


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


River's picture
Submitted by River on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 9:20pm.

Earlier, I told Denise that her "avatar" was perfect for her. Same goes for you.

Thanks for the backup!

Submitted by bladderq on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 6:54pm.

I think it no more strange or concerning than Scrub Bush from a good mainstream "christain" family (you know you probably would not have embraced Sen. Prescott Bush) pandering to the religious right. Lee Atwater would be proud, except on his death bed he ask to be forgiven for all past bad acts. You listen' Karl Rove?

Or Pat Roberstson, "God told me..." & I can leg press 2000#. Jimmy Carter had a "lustful (Baptist) heart."

I guess Joe Lieberman was not on your list? Unless you are one of the whack-o christains that believe Israel must be protected because the Jews are the chosen people and Armagedon is eminent...whatever that all means.

How about the real Bush pretender to the throne...Jeb? Born again Catholic, must answer to the Pope. Wait, we settled that one w/ JFK. Gawd, he & Daddy Bush must cry every night over that lost 1st gov race in Fla.

Bottom line: in some ways they are all "cults."

Submitted by JJsMom on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 6:35pm.

-a compassionate person who gives help to those in distress -
When I read what happened to the person utilizing the services of the Good Samaritans I remembered a single lady I knew a few years back with 4 school age children and she wasn't receiving child support on time. She told me her car was broken and she borrowed a friend's car to go pick up some free supplies from the Good Samaritans to get her and her kids by till they got their next child support check. She said the lady at Good Samaritans actually questioned her need due to the kind of car she was driving. (I don't remember what kind car it was but not a Cadillac or the likes). She said it made her feel terrible and she decided she would rather go without than be made to feel so worthless. Of course there are always people who abuse programs-that'll never change. If you are going to work at a charity named the Good Samaritans you should learn what the name means. I'm sure there must be wonderful people who work there and they must help alot of people. Key word is people-just like everyone else but maybe having a hard time.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 8:04pm.

Sounds fish from both sides.

If all the Samaritan was interested in was the car why not check out the owner, not the driver?

And, one can't expect to enter the building and demand help without someone vouching for you.

I'm sorry, but no one seems to tell the whole story anymore!

Denise Conner's picture
Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 7:20pm.

Do you mean Fayette Samaritans?

Also, if you knew how often scammers come by these type of places, you'd understand why questions are asked in an effort to conserve resources for those who really need help. If they gave away money and food to every requester with no questions asked, then they would not be good stewards of the contributions of their donors.

"I'm sure there must be wonderful people who work there and they must help alot [sic] of people." -- True, so consider the situation from their perspective. Smiling

Submitted by JJsMom on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 8:14pm.

I don't believe it was the questions (or comments) but the begrudging spirit in which they were spoken. I too believe an organization needs to have an understanding of a person's situation before they hand out over donations. I've worked at my church's food bank and seen people trying to abuse it by coming every week and trying to get more than a normal donation amount. Even if I was referring to a case like this (and the mother I referred to was truly in need) there is a way to be courteous
in telling someone no. Don't kick someone when they're down.

Denise Conner's picture
Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 8:25pm.

Were you there? Smiling

Maybe the person was less than tactful, but maybe the receiver was overly sensitive or came across as "having an attitude."

People who deal with scammers on a daily basis could become a little too cynical. Dealing with the public does take a lot of patience. Smiling

chippie's picture
Submitted by chippie on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 10:27pm.

When I called the Fayette Samaritans and told them our youth group wanted to do a food drive for them, I tried asking what kind of items were most needed so we could request them. I was surprised by the RUDE response I received from the woman who answered the phone there, she cut me off and said they had plenty of food and didn't need any more. How can that be? Isn't there a continual need for the needy residents of our county? I guess it's good to know the food pantry isn't in constant need of filling it's shelves.

Denise Conner's picture
Submitted by Denise Conner on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 5:10am.

I hope that you contacted someone in charge so that workers could be reminded to be polite (some people need reminders every once in a while, especially how they sound on the phone). I've noticed that some people tend to sound more rude on the phone than they are in person, or they let frustration from other sources spill over to the innocent person on the phone. Since you're on the other end, you can't see what's making the person crabby. Smiling

I've seen a listing in The Citizen (I think) of needed items. I think that there is limited space, and FS may get too much of some items and not enough of others.

Hope you'll talk with someone (JJsMom, too) so that FS can correct any problems (I'm guessing that their Board of Directors and supervisor/manager would want to know).

Submitted by JJsMom on Tue, 08/07/2007 - 11:05pm.

That is very surprising-our church bulletin asks for "specific" donation items for them. I hope you found a recipient in need
of your group's generous community service.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 3:38am.

This sounds like anothr case of "this is not the WHOLE STORY!"
How could it be so as stated?
Either the worker there is an idiot
The person tried to contribute dynamite!

chippie's picture
Submitted by chippie on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 5:48am.

Denise: I agree with you that other things could have contributed to my contact's crabby attitude. Frankly, I was so stunned by our offer being turned down, I didn't feel like leaving footprints on her head by trying to seek out someone higher up with FS. Our group chose to support another worthwhile, and appreciative, organization.

JJsMom: I notice the lists in the local papers for FS, too. Our church also collects for them two months a year (from what I understand, local churches alternate months). It's not unusual to see they don't need canned green beans and canned corn.

$: Dynamite, huh? Laughing out loud You and your hounddog are barking up the wrong tree for "the rest of the story" here, my side of it is all here with nothing left out. If you want more, I suggest you ask the helpful person I spoke with that day.

I've always made a point to donate to the Samaritans every time our church, school, or other group has helped out, but after this incident, I'm not quite as eager, but still contribute.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 5:56am.

What did you want to contribute? What items?
If you are going to give it reluctantly, it is better not to give it at all!

hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:03am.

If you were to pull your head out of your... and read her post you would see that she asked the lady what they needed most and was rebuffed for her efforts. The old arteries a little hard this morning?

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Cyclist's picture
Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:13am.

I think $ just wants to hear himself this morning.

Conservatism – apply it directly to the forehead.

chippie's picture
Submitted by chippie on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:30am.

Nothing new there, is it? Smiling

Cyclist's picture
Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:33am.

Conservatism – apply it directly to the forehead.

chippie's picture
Submitted by chippie on Wed, 08/08/2007 - 6:13am.

Thanks for the laugh this morning - good start to my day! Smiling

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.