Tyrone begins refunding impact fees

Mon, 07/30/2007 - 8:39am
By: John Thompson

The town of Tyrone this summer became the first municipality in the county to give back money to builders who do business in the town.
The reason is because the town failed to follow through on its plans for a new police station and town hall that was part of Tyrone’s impact program that was started in 1999. Late last year, town manager Barry Amos told the town Council that more than $60,000 in development fees would have to be returned to developers.
The town started collecting fees in 1999 and will have to refund two years’ worth of funds, because no work was done on building a new town center and state law requires money to be spent on the projects within six years.
In the Capital Improvement Element that accompanied the impact fee program, the town pledged to build a 12,000 sq. ft. building that would house the new police station and town hall.
Amos explained this week that the town’s leaders didn’t make any decisions on the project during the last few years, so the money must be returned. The exact amount is $281.82 for each building lot that was permitted by the town from 2000-2006.
Scott Bradshaw, who represents the Home Builders Association of Midwest Georgia, said one of his builders was concerned when he didn’t receive the entire impact fee amount of just over $1,000 refunded.
In order to move forward with the project and to stop any further refunds, the town committed $10,000 towards a study last year that would determine whether one building should house both police and administrative functions, or build two buildings.
“The study is back and there’s really no clear advantage to the different proposals,” Amos said.
The next move will now be up to the Town Council, who will make the ultimate decision on the town’s new structures.
If the town only builds a police station or a town hall, it could lose up to $130,000 that has been collected so far towards the project, since the capital improvement element said it would be a joint facility.
But if the town starts on both building, no impact fees from the developers would have to be refunded. Impact fees will only pay for 25 percent of the new structures, so the town would have to pay for the other 75 percent.
At a meeting last fall, Councilwoman Grace Caldwell favored a bond and having all the expenses spelled out for all the residents.
“I don’t want to see any hidden expenses occurring,” she said.
Tyrone has usually funded items using cash on hand, but Caldwell sees a problem with that type of funding.
“The people who move to town aren’t helping to pay for it,” she said.

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Submitted by Cal Beverly on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 9:19am.

One poster in particular -- now banned -- felt free to engage in abusive personal attacks on this site.

Whatever your beef, whatever your cause, you cannot engage in aggressively abusive personal attacks on this site.

Posters on this thread are encouraged to dial back the name-calling and stick to posting about public officials' public performances -- not their private lives.

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Submitted by freedomofinfo on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 4:27pm.

All of the info you deleted was public record.

The Tyrone Town Council has a duty to investigate any violations made by town officials. If they don't then the state will step in and do all of the investigations. Knowledge or complaints of violations with inaction from the town council imputes liability to the town council for failing to follow through with their duties to the citizens of Tyrone.

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Submitted by Mixer on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 2:46pm.

Cal, we trust your judgment. Just BAN them - or me - or whomever you feel needs to go to keep YOUR site running smoothly. Sticking out tongue

It is a great format but you are correct that the level of personal attacks and civil discourse is out of hand. Shocked

Even I have been pulled in to the muck and mire on occasion. Evil

While this format is great for expressing ideas, it is not conducive to debate. Sad

Perhaps a topic should be posted and comments added, but comments directed from one user to another should be eliminated (i.e., Hey Mixer blah blah blah, and Mixer thinks he's an economist, yada yada yada).Puzzled

Heck, I don't know Cal, I know you have a tough job so do what you need to do ... we will all support you. Laughing out loud

As for me.... you can't fire me - I quit. Eye-wink

Thanks for the format for so many and for so long. Laughing out loud

Maybe I can make it back soon.

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Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 5:10pm.

I hope you have a successful year (school year, that is).

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 11:03am.

Mr Beverly I don't think it was you that edtited what I said because I have seen much worse on here. I looked for a way to email you direct rather than put it on this board, but it says you are not accepting emails. Someone was saying that 2 people were stealing n my comments back were to the effect that this wasn't the place for that n they were leaving themselves in a position of libal, but it they could back this up...to contact Gloria or Grace n they would look into it. I did also make the comment about 'mean as a snake', but that is from my dealings with that person and I don't think that is their private lives, only the way I was treated, which was very badly by ther person in question. Now what is left looks like I'm saying they are elected officals, which they aren't n that Gloria n Grace are the bad guys.

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Submitted by TonyF on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 10:12am.

I do believe you're begining to repeat yourself. Actions, my good man, speak louder than words. Might I suggest some form of suspension for 1st offenses rather than outright revocation of pivileges? Just a thought. Keep a firm hand on the tiller captain.

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Submitted by tobybob on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 7:50pm.

{{{{{{EDITED}}}}}}}}} They cannot go on forever acting like this. It is going to catch up with you, sooner than you think!! Town Council: What are you doing?? You are allowing Barry Amos to run this town into the ground!! Where is the town accountant?? The auditor?? Thank you John Thompson!!

Submitted by ConfushaSay on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 8:34am.

Statements that startle like a wound in the flesh? Ouch!

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 8:53am.

I thought only 4 letter words were suppose to be edited? Saying someone is "mean as a snake" I don't think, should have been editied. Whole paragraphs have been taken out of what I said, making it say/mean, something totally different. Whoever editied it changed the meaning around entirley and made it sound 'pro' Thelma and Barney and anti Grace and Gloria, which couldn't be further from the truth!

Submitted by ConfushaSay on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 9:47pm.

Amos thinks he's the town accountant, the auditor, the mayor, the police, etc..etc.....

Submitted by freedomofinfo on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 10:21pm.

He may think that and he may tell people that, but he is not any of those things. I am not even sure he is town manager and if he is auditing the town books then we could be looking at Tyrone ENRON style!!

To: TOO BAD
It is mostly found in the public record. Where do you think all of that money has been, just sitting in a bank account?? I sincerely doubt it. So now the town has to pay (with our tax dollars) $200+ to each business owner that has applied for a permit from 2000 - 2006? How much is that exactly? I agree with tobybob, there is something seriously wrong at Tyrone's town hall and in my experience, people don't just do things for no reason and the reason is usually money. Where did all that money lost in North Fulton actually go - the actual money was not lost in the paperwork. Someone benefited from it. I think an independent audit of the town's budget should be done immediately. No telling what they will uncover. Barry is involved in all sorts of things like the Atlanta Regional Commissions - check out the following links and read them.

http://www.atlantaregional.com/webdocs/Land%20Use/Reviews/ID834/Town%20of%20Tyrone%20Community%20Agenda.pdf

http://www.atlantaregional.com/cps/rde/xchg/arc/hs.xsl/102_ENU_HTML.htm?fulltext.search.query=tyrone

http://www.atlantaregional.com/cps/rde/xchg/arc/hs.xsl/102_ENU_HTML.htm?fulltext.search.query=tyrone

THE MONEY HAS TO BE GOING SOMEWHERE!! ACCOUNTABILITY PLEASE!! TAKE A LEAP OF FAITH!!

Submitted by tobybob on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 10:48pm.

You ROCK!!

Submitted by too bad on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 8:34pm.

{{{{{{EDITED}}}}}}} they are not elected officals. .... But seriously, call them, they will never tell anyone, and they will look n say you are right, or we can't prove it but we are working on it, or what are you smoking? But, the 1st step is to tell someone who can do some good, and give them the chance to dig into it. They are both honest good people.

Submitted by tobybob on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 10:44pm.

It is the town council's job to oversee Barry and Valerie, not mine. They have been notified. And by the way, the town council members are elected officials. They run for office and we vote on who we want to represent us on the town council. Barry and Valerie, however, are not elected officials and they work at the pleasure of the town council. However, the town council is responsible for the bad acts of Barry and Valerie. Do you want your tax dollars going to represent Barry and Valerie in a lawsuit. Heck no!! Just get rid of them. The council should fire Barry and Valerie, just like Barry and Valerie have done to many people over the last many years. I am not even sure that Barry and Valerie have the power to fire town employees since they are town employees, not elected officials.

Submitted by ConfushaSay on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 9:24pm.

Well, toobad? maybe TobyBob is right. Maybe TobyBob is a co-worker or ex-worker, or who knows? {{{{{{EDITED}}}}}
I like Gloria & Grace, I agree that they are both honest good people. But toobad? I've read the Free Speeches where a citizen had been notified the council about many illegal issues, but they ignored it.

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 9:04am.

Gloria and Grace are only 2 people, 2 votes. They have voted as the people would have wanted on every issue but the Mayor breaks the tye and votes with Smola and Lataurneaux. When they put it to a vote on the !!...EIGHT...!! houses to ONE acre, the Mayor COULDN'T VOTE, Smola and L. voted FOR it...Grace and Gloria voted AGAINST it...Because it wasn't a majority and no one could vote in the Mayor's place, it lost! You need to come to the meetings and see what it going on. When the next elections come up...they will have a 3rd person on their side. Very little is ever passed that represents what the people want because of this stalemate. But they have kept some very ugly things from happening to this town. They are like two pit bulls and they don't give up!

Submitted by truthseeker on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 12:55pm.

Who does this suprise? Barry Amos has lead the Town down the wrong path since day one. Mayor - Do something! This is a huge financial blunder!

Submitted by tobybob on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 11:02pm.

I would bet $1m that she does nothing, just like she has been doing. Everyone has just bowed down to the Amos "administration" and he isn't even an elected official!! There is a petition circulating around town that asks for signatures of the citizens to have the town's council remove Barry Amos, and maybe Valerie too, from office. You can sign it. Last I heard it was at Tyrone Tire - another awful result from Barry and Valerie's actions. That poor man, Mr. Adams, is losing tenants and can't rent his bays because Barry won't let him. Who does Barry think he is? Is there no one out there with the guts to confront this issue head on? I know it is hard to stand up to a bully but the only way to do it is to bully back harder and stronger. Otherwise you remain scared of the bully! How can the town council stand for Barry harassing citizens, Valerie denying people access to public records and illegally refusing to issue permits and licenses? PLEASE HELP US TOWN COUNCIL!!

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 6:59pm.

This must be the only town in America that had to return money it collected (legally) for the public good but couldn't agree on spending it.

What a bunch of dopes. And they all listen to Barry.

I think that the new "progressive" element of Tyrone's population will present a couple of candidates at the next election and things will change in that funny little town we have driven through and laughed at for many years.

Professional leadership naturally leads to professional town management. Somebody should run on a "Dump Barry" platform.

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Mon, 07/30/2007 - 8:25pm.

I have to agree with Mudcat. How the hell can these boobs collect impact fees and be too frigging dumb not to use the money to take care of the infrastructure. Barry sounds like that clown in North Fulton who lost $900k to Fulton in city taxes because the paperwork was not done. But look who trained Barry--- Jim Williams, who is now butchering north 74. Wow, are we getting abused by these guys.

PTC and Southeast's Gain is Tyrone's Loss. PTC dumped Barry; Southeast Engineering gave him the heave-ho. The Tyrone Town Council should end all of this pillow talk and get its act together. Hey, wait...If you impose a morals code, you would get the wandering Smolas in the net, too.


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