Selling Socialism : some stimulating statistics.

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Seems sales of Sicko's cinema celebration of socialism stops soon after celebrating sycophants cease soft selling 'sicko'.

The top ten movies this weekend are:

1. Simpsons Movie $30M Fri, $23.1M Sat, and est $18.7M Sun. (cume $71.8M)
2. Chuck And Larry $6.2M Fri, $7.2M Sat, and est $5.8M Sun. ($71.6M)
3. Harry Potter Phoenix $5M Fri, $7M Sat, and est $5.6M Sun. ($242.3M)
4. Hairspray $5.2M Fri, $6M Sat, and est $4.5M Sun. ($59.5M)
5. Transformers $3.2M Fri, $4.6M Sat, and est $3.6M Sun. ($284.5M)
6. No Reservations $4M Fri, $4.5M, and est $3.5M Sun ($12M)
7. Ratatouille $2.2M Fri, $2.9M Sat, and est $2.2M Sun. ($179.8M)
8. Live Free Or Die Hard $1.5M Fri, $2.2M Sat, and est $1.5M Sun. ($125.1M)
9. I Know Who Killed Me $1.3M Fri, $1.1M Sat, and est $905K Sun. ($3.4M)
10. Who's Your Caddy? $950K Fri, $1.1M Sat, and est $850K Sun. ($2.9M)

I guess socialized medicine is only good for a brief stay followed by a long hiatus.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 6:01am.

Isn't it great that anyone can find out the truth about socialized medicine!

"Canada Inches Toward Private Medicine"

"'Private' has always been used by politicians as a very evil word, associated with America and for-profit. But it's not necessarily so."

"There are tens of thousands of Mr. Zeliotis [a retired salesman from Quebec who waited nearly a year for a hip replacement] out there languishing on waiting lists," Dr. Schumacher says. His patients, for example, go to nearby Detroit and pay out-of-pocket to get CAT scans in six days instead of waiting six months in Canada.

By the end of this year [2005], the federal government has promised to establish benchmarks for "medically acceptable wait times" for treatment of cancer, heart disease, and other ailments. The government is already spending billions to try to reduce waiting lists.

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"Canada's Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters"

The country's publicly financed health insurance system — frequently described as the third rail of its political system and a core value of its national identity — is gradually breaking down. Private clinics are opening around the country by an estimated one a week, and private insurance companies are about to find a gold mine.

While proponents of private clinics say they will shorten waiting lists and quicken service at public institutions, critics warn that they will drain the public system of doctors and nurses. Canada has a national doctor shortage already, with 1.4 million people in the province of Ontario alone without the services of a family doctor.

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"Introduce More Private Medicine, Says Doctor Who Challenged Quebec Ban"

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"The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care" by Dr. David Gratzer

I was once a believer in socialized medicine [growing up in Canada I had come to believe that government-run health care was truly compassionate].

When HillaryCare shook Washington, I remember thinking that the Clintonistas were right.

I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic—with a three-year wait list; or the woman needing a sleep study to diagnose what seemed like sleep apnea, who faced a two-year delay; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks.

This privatizing trend is reaching Europe, too. Britain’s government-run health care dates back to the 1940s. Yet the Labour Party—which originally created the National Health Service and used to bristle at the suggestion of private medicine, dismissing it as “Americanization” — now openly favors privatization.

And if we measure a health-care system by how well it serves its sick citizens, American medicine excels. Five-year cancer survival rates bear this out. For leukemia, the American survival rate is almost 50 percent; the European rate is just 35 percent. Esophageal carcinoma: 12 percent in the United States, 6 percent in Europe. The survival rate for prostate cancer is 81.2 percent here, yet 61.7 percent in France and down to 44.3 percent in England—a striking variation.

From telecommunications to retail, deregulation and market competition have driven prices down and quality and productivity up. Health care is long overdue for the same prescription.
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"What Health Insurance Crisis?"

Who and where are the 45 million Americans that the Census Bureau found without health insurance?

A full 16% of the uninsured, the study found, have incomes above $75,000 a year and could obviously afford insurance if they chose to buy it. Roughly a third of those lacking insurance earn $50,000 a year or more.

You may think that a poor single mom with three children living in South-Central Los Angeles is among the uninsured, but in fact, she is eligible for Medicaid, as are her children. The BlueCross BlueShield study notes that 1 in 3 of the uninsured are eligible for — but not enrolled in — a government-sponsored health program. Because Medicaid and children's health programs allow patients to be signed up literally in the ER, these individuals could be covered; they just choose not to do the paperwork.

And of the remaining uninsured, 6 million lack insurance for only a few months.

The bottom line: About 8.2 million Americans, not 45 million, are chronically uninsured and low-income. And they are the working poor. They have jobs but, because of the high cost of insurance, no coverage.

In some ways, of course, even they are covered. In the event of a disaster, they can find care in emergency rooms.

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"Who's Really 'Sicko'"

In Canada, dogs can get a hip replacement in under a week. Humans can wait two to three years.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 8:32am.

CONSTRUCTIVE comments! Domo aregato guzymas.

I feel much of your ideas here are as realistic as "just say know to sex." But I absolutely appreciate your efforts. Ironically, I've been in two socialized healthcare countries since this blog, and I worked with a gentleman that is a health care consultant for hospitals. His company helps hospitals control costs and maximize time/ man-power utilization. Contrary to the GOP mantra of lawyers (like Ann Coulter) bancrupting doctors, Keith informed me that analysis shows 3% of health care costs are attributed to litigation. 20+% is attributed to bearaucracy (however you spell it). Alas, the people, and there are many, who I've talked to in these universal health care environments feel they get a return for their tax dollars invested. Again, I think the current system is broken, and if you think the private sector, who have dollars and cents as the bottom line, will have joe blow's best interests at heart, I believe you are a bit naive. But,

I still love ya!

ps: good guess on Hawaii (HNL)

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 9:25pm.

HNL = Honolulu? Cooler than here?

domo arigato gozaimasu = thank you very much (polite – very formal) (doh-moh ah-ree-gah-toe go-zie-mahs) – Japanese term in jiu jitsu Puzzled

"Just say NO" -- Well, that can work in a lot of areas -- It's called self-discipline.

If they're unwilling to practice self-discipline, then they should have preventative surgery (like dogs & cats).

How about this?

Meet the Duggar Family

"Arkansas Couple Has 17th Child, Still Want More"

Note that they're not in debt and they take care of them all. I'd like to know what vitamins they're taking. Smiling


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 10:10pm.

Because they want more. I'm not sure of the motivation. And I don't know how many more J names one can find. I do wonder what mental process is behind the desire to have 17 + children. There are so mnay kids here already who need loving parents. I honestly would love to see families like this one consider adoption. But the libertarian in me says, it's your body, and it's a free country...

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Sat, 08/11/2007 - 10:28pm.

There are several other BIG families featured on the Discovery Health Channel series.

I know some large families, and they all welcome each new one with more enthusiasm than the last, and they love others' kids, too. Smiling

I also know some who have adopted children (some of them "undesirable" to most other people).

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I forgot to mention that Ben Franklin was the 15th of 17 children (7 children were born to his dad's first wife Anne, who died a few days after giving birth to her 7th child). Ben was the 8th of 10 children of Josiah and Abiah Franklin. Only 1 child died soon after birth.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 07/29/2007 - 7:31pm.

Sixth graders and their 5th grade mommas take kids to all the movies you listed. They don't see documentaries.
I'm afraid "SICKO" will be playing for years, somewhere, just as has all of his other documentaries. I saw Poor old Charlton "shotgun" Heston try to run Moore off just two weeks ago, again!
"Bowling for Columbine" is still playing and is also on TV cable at least 2-3 times per year.
Now, there are a significant number of nut cases who want to see these films also, but the fact is, Who's your daddy," will be dead forever within 6 months. Let us hope.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 7:23am.

The two of you feel that we need to perpetuate our endeavors in Iraq for the forseeable future; endeavors that are costing us all in the neighborhood of $4.5 billion a week. But don't dare spend a taxpayer's dime for uninsured children. That's worthy of veto.
Pay no mind to the FACT that all of the $160,000+ a year representatives paid by our tax dollars also have healthcare and pensions paid by our tax dollars. But that's no problem. And as they tried to keep the minimum wage at 1998 levels while voting for their own pay raises, that was no problem. The GOP has incredibly become a party of one truth: Selfishness; me, me , mine. On every issue, it comes down to keeping taxes low; no matter the war; no matter the size of the government which those taxes feed; no matter the deficit. This is actually quite a sad theme for the party of "family values." The GOP will even hold their nose and vote Giuliani because he says the magic "low taxes" tag line. Oh yeah, and he was the NYC mayor on 9/11 which is instant cred.
But I imagine making socialized healthcare (USED BY THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD) the villain is easier than defending Alberto Gonzalez, the president's immigration policy, the money pit known as Iraq, or the ethics of GOP leadership (more bribes you say?)
Heaven forbid that dollars currently used to fuel Halliburton and Blackwater contracts might one day be used to clean the teeth of or provide annual checkups for those pesky, poor, uninsured kids out there.

If either of you think our healthcare system is not broken, talk to any of our PTSD veterans who aren't receiving adequate care. Ask yourselves if it is acceptable to have citizens bancrupted by health care related expenses. Please offer some solutions Mixer, instead of the all to common GOP personal attack tactics "Fat Boy Michael Moore" when you have NO substance of your own to offer. You guys are beginning to sound like the whiners I am sure you would rather not be.

Michael Moore is of no consequence. What you and I and others have to pay for our semi-adequate healthcare is. If you've got answers, please bring them. and as far as the conservative way of thinking has gone.....

I'll keep my liberal family values, thank you very much.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Mon, 08/13/2007 - 8:57pm.

"The Real Price of a Free Lunch" by Walter Williams (August 11, 2004)

Just a couple quotes from a GREAT realist!

People in the education and political establishments pretend they're not motivated by such "callous" motives as greed and profits. These people "care" about us, but from which areas of our lives do we derive the greatest pleasures and have the fewest complaints, and from which areas do we have the greatest headaches and complaints? We tend to have a high satisfaction level with goods and services like computers, cell phones, movies, clothing and supermarkets. These are areas where the motivations are greed and profits. Our greatest dissatisfaction is in areas of caring and no profit motive such as public education, postal services and politics. Give me greed and profits, and you can keep the caring.

Again, when politicians come to us pretending they're Santa Clauses or tooth fairies delivering benefits only, we should ask what's the cost, who's going to pay and why.

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Hack, here's something else for the libertarian lurking within you. Or are you only libertarian in certain areas? Laughing out loud

"The Problems with Socialized Health Care" (See article for explanation of each of these points.)

1) Destroys patient incentives to find the best possible prices for the best possible services/products available. [Also destroys the incentive to limit unnecessary "visits" to the doctor and/or the incentive for preventative health care. I know some people who go for every little sniffle and want a prescription for every little ache.]

2) Destroys physician incentives to provide competitive care and destroys drug companies' incentives to provide new drugs and treatments.

3) Steals from your wallet to pay for my health care.

4) The quality of "free" health care will deteriorate and the average citizen will get sicker [with "average" health care, i.e., mediocre].

5) Destroys your privacy.

6) Destroys your liberty.

Some of the links below [see link above for many excellent articles about the reality of "universal" health care] direct you to articles from free-market institutes and groups. The authors use facts and logic to explain the superiority of the free-market process when compared to government bureaucracies. You can dismiss these links as "libertarian hogwash" or you can read the reports and question your own emotionally-based opinion, as I did. Please see Harry Browne's excellent Compassion of the mind and ask yourself if you are hurting others with your socialism.

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"Compassion of the Mind" by Harry Browne

Just part of the article

We've heard a lot in recent years about "compassionate conservatism" or "conservatism with a heart." But we already have too much of that sort of thing – too many governmental decisions justified by the heart with no thought of the consequences they lead to.

And there seems no end in sight. Just like Bill Clinton, George Bush justifies new governmental incursions into education, health care, welfare, and aid to foreign dictators with stories of "need" and pleas for compassion. [And then there's the Democrat candidates' adding "universal" health care = socialized medicine to the ever increasing federal government's realm.]

But this is compassion of the heart. Its purpose is to make you feel good about yourself – not to truly help other people. It isn't really compassion at all. It is mere posturing – showing off as a humanitarian with someone else's money and life and ignoring any bad consequences it produces.

Compassion of the mind is measured by how much others are actually helped – in results, not in good intentions.

It doesn't act without first confirming that it really will improve the intended recipient – by the recipient's standards, not by the giver's. And it doesn't rob Peter to show off to Paul.

Compassion of the mind doesn't shirk personal responsibility by turning to government and pretending to have improved anyone's life. Government has failed so miserably at everything – from its war on poverty to its war on drugs [bridge maintenance] – that you invite disaster, not benevolence, when you ask it to help people.

Compassion of the mind supports effective charities like the Salvation Army, Big Brothers, the Prison Fellowship, and others – charities that constantly monitor their own costs, operations and results to assure that they're truly helping people. They aren't perfect, but they're good enough to be able to demonstrate to donors that their contributions are well spent.

Forcing people to be generous isn't humanitarian, effective, compassionate or moral. Only acts that are truly voluntary for all concerned can be truly compassionate.

Compassion of the mind seeks to allow each person to keep his own earnings and freedom to care for himself and his family in whatever way he thinks best – and to be able to help others in his own way.

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"Shooting Michael Moore" Video & Transcript of an interview with Kevin Leffler about his exposé of the real Michael Moore (Leffler's a high school friend of Moore, a Michigan Democrat, & an amateur film-maker.)


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 8:24am.

Too long, but I read it. It is a serious problem and barbaric in many ways.
Weigh all you said against those who aren't being treated as wellas you are---even if it is "their fault" (judging).

Did Saint Luke, the Physician, practice universal health care, or did he select?

There will be problems with health care of any kind. That is why we work at it!

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 5:08pm.


Did Saint Luke, the Physician, practice universal health care, or did he select?

He didn't forcibly take monies from others (via taxation) for fees, nor was he was told by the government what he could charge. But he most likely donated much of his time which was his right to do with his life.


There will be problems with health care of any kind. That is why we work at it!

True enough but, for the most part, government is the problem. By setting prices (through Medicaid limits) and by restricting the customer's ability to shop for doctors an artificial price ceiling is maintained.

Want to see socialized medicine in action? Check the quality of care in your local VA hospital.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 5:16am.

STEVE SKVARA, LOST PENSION & HEALTH INSURANCE: "After 34 years I was forced to retire because of a disability. Two years later, LTB filed bankruptcy. I lost one-third of my pension and my family lost their health care. Every day of my life, I sit at the kitchen table across from the woman who devoted 36 years of her life to my family and I can‘t afford to pay for her health care. What‘s wrong with America and what will you do to change it?"

Steve is not an anomoly, Denise. Medical expenses are the numero uno cause for bankruptcy in this nation. You obviously haven't experienced this type of financial hardship and I feel your partisan views of "taxes and social programs bad, tax cuts, good" do not allow you to look into the lives of people being literally crushed by debts due to medical expenses. I feel for these people. I notice things like waiters, waitresses, and custodians with gingivitis and tooth decay, chronic pains, and I know that they most likely have not chosen to have their bodies fall apart. What they can afford most likely plays a part. And when I travel to countries with a fraction of our GNP and see people with full medical coverage, it shames me, Denise. Honestly. I, at times, feel that my country has become a bit too selfish and self-centered.

I say this because the same constituency that sees no financial problem building a 700 mile fence to keep field workers in Mexico, and the same folks that will spare no expense to build schools and clinics in Iraq, cry poor when it is suggested we actually insure AMERICANS. I guess I'm missing something. But I wonder how a conversation between you and Steve Skvara would go.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 7:51am.

What would you do? Most of what we've tried in the past by both parties has failed. We've slapped gauze on a gapping and gushing wound while failing to stitch it up.

I think I speak for most "real" Conservatives when I say "if spending massive amounts of tax dollars would actually solve our problems at hand, then by all means let's make the investment". Sadly, as history has proved, when we spend more money on the poverty and health issues we seem to somehow worsen the problem. Not so much that we didn't help some folks but, that everyone who used to be productive decided "Hey.... I want some of that too".

Sadly, many that I knew when I was a Republican and I thought they were Conservatives are now feeding at the government trough in one way or another.

Example: A former schoolmate and best friend in the Midwest brags about being Republican he even pretends that he's a Conservative. Over the last 5 years he received over $457,000 of government assistance for his farming operation. He has the finest of tractors, trucks, and equipment and is buying more land on a yearly basis in an "unadmitted" attempt to grow his Ag scam business. Now here's the sick part. In the past 6 years on his properties they have drilled 8 oil wells to which he owns a substantial amount of royalties. (Nothing wrong with this mind you) Each well produces over $2500 bucks minimum revenue monthly to him. I know this because my dad has 1 well with the same scenario. Now, why does he do this???? Because he gets money for nothing.

Now this guy is doing very well. And I'm happy for him. Yet I resent him because of the monies he rips off from the taxpayers each year.

Now before you go saying "See, those bad old Republicans" please note that this is a Democrat ruled area with politicians and voters that vote for and receive these kind of gubament handouts. Now how my former buddy got elected to the "citizen board" that helps to oversea the distribution of those funds is something I'll never figure out. Especially since he's a Republican. But then.... perhaps these folks have been enlightened and understand there really isn't that much difference between the two parties these days. Even Dollar agrees with me on this one.

So I see that kind of government waste. Then we see abuse over the years with the Food Stamp program and the black market that created. I understand that program has changed some but, it is still wrought with fraud. And we can go on and on and on.

So Hack, What say you? How do you propose we solve these problems? How much more should the government take from you and I to help a huge percentage of people that won't even bother to help themselves?

I'm not willing to spend my friend. I am ready to make some investments. However, I demand a return on my investments. That is the Conservative Way that I was taught.

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 7:14pm.

And Denise has honestly laid out her position as well. The problem I have is that I think people, in general, are worth a great expense. To reasonably insure the health of each American, rich and poor, young and old, is worth more than a blanket "we can't afford it."
Just like business start ups study successful businesses, we can start by looking at Canada, Japan, The U.K., Spain, Brazil, etc. All of these countries have currency that is increasing in value compared to ours. Universal healthcare has not crippled the U.K. I just know that we owe Americans more. We can't continue to buy our cheap goods while being served by a legion of uninsured Walmart part-timers, and feel no empathy for their plights. I want to feel an abundance of pride in knowing that America doesn't leave her citizens behind. But currently, we villainize illegals until we need a patio poured or sheet rock laid. We tell the uninsured or underinsured that they are victims of their own decisions when we don't even know what has led to their circumstance. If you know anyone who has been injured by an uninsured person, you must know it isn't their fault. And if that part-time Walmart employee develops a chronic condition, how much health care will their minimum wage supply? There has to be a solution, Git. We just need a "yes we can" mentality.

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 6:17pm.

We've slapped gauze on a gapping and gushing wound while failing to stitch it up.

This is so true. My concern is that good people will give up on correcting this problem - and allow 'other good' people to continue to take advantage of this misuse of government money to the detriment of those who really need assistance. Conservatives and Liberals alike seem to shy away from those groups who want to confront the 'status quo' and change business/government as usual. There are groups and individuals who ask the pertinent questions - but get very little support from the general public or the mainline media. I don't think it's radical or subversive to demand that any administration follow the law and serve the citizens rather than special interests.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/14/2007 - 10:40pm.

to shy away from those groups who want to confront the 'status quo' and change business/government as usual.

"Those Groups" to confront and change business Puzzled

Who are you (and those groups) to confront me and my business. I didn't see any of "those groups" help me start my business and risk any of their years of time and money trying to grow a business. I respect you alot but you and "those groups" have NO business sticking your noses in my business and how I run my business. I'm sick and tired of complying to the whims of "those groups" desires every time they feel they need to ram some kind of mandate or new program up my whazoo. Business is NOT the answer.

Don't go around trashing businesses. I employ 19 people today and instead of getting help from "those groups" I spend my days complying with the desires of "those groups" and our government.

and serve the citizens rather than special interests.

"Those Groups" you talk about are the special interests. "Those Groups" do not create wealth, jobs, retirements, or any other benefits. "Those Groups" are driving businesses out of business in many instances. I say screw "Those Groups". Shocked

Smiling I'm through now David's Mom. Hope you had a great day. I got to go to the game tonight to boo Barry Bonds. The usher and I were talking and laughing because we both recalled how Barry has been booed in Atlanta, even when he was with the Pirates. I think booing Barry is a special way of cheering his accomplishments.

BTW..... Would you please have a talk with that "Black Klan Racist Hate Whitey Hag" that calls herself a realcat. What a joke. She has as much credibility as the Beaver does these days.

**** GIT REAL TOUGH ON CRIME ****

"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 6:51pm.

What did you do -- fly to Hawaii and pick the Kona coffee beans yourself? You've been gone a loooong time! Laughing out loud

You must have missed my response about our favorite columnist, Ann Coulter. I think it will stir your liberal heart a bit, even more than that "Full Throttle energy drink extract." Laughing out loud

Am I mistaken that we don't "spend a taxpayer's dime for uninsured children"? You're right. It's A LOT more than a dime of my money and every other taxpayer's "contribution." Do you know just how much is misspent already?

Just a few solutions: Basic, common-sense preventative health care, but then that would take responsible parents, wouldn't it? And most "parents" expecting someone else to pay for their children's health care, food, housing, education, etc. aren't very responsible, are they?

How about requiring accountability from the parents? They must attend health classes (like the ones that they failed in school) and demonstrate improvement in taking care of their children (i.e., nutritious meals, brushing and flossing their teeth [both almost guarantee no dental problems], cleanliness, proper rest, etc.). The parents (another problem to address -- few black kids and more and more whites don’t have their fathers around).

Then there's the problem of welfare queens' exponential breeding. Whoops! That's not sensitive. Maybe Planned Parenthood could give taxpayers a very slight return on their "investment" and persuade these women to undergo tubal ligation for the good of society and for the good of the children (favorite causes among liberals). Responsible people work very hard not to have children that they cannot afford. There's another class for irresponsible parents: household budgeting. These people will be so busy with learning and practicing what they've learned that they'll be too tired to create more challenges. Well, maybe not, but at least it's worth a try.

What could be eliminated from the budget? Cable TV, iPods, cell phones, movies, hideous hip-hop & other trash music CDs & downloads, etc. (would lower violent tendencies & crime as a bonus). The "free" time could be spent learning how to read, spell, English, math, etc. No cars for kids until they're working and can pay for the gas, insurance, repairs, etc. themselves -- great preparation for adulthood. Then there's no time for trouble -- that's always worked for the responsible kids that I know.

By just handing over "free" health care, food stamps, housing, etc. people see little value in what they've received. They don't see the work that others put in, and so they will not use the gifts as well as those who know their value. Therefore, an exchange system needs to be worked out so that recipients must work for what they receive. Fathers must be required to support their children, even if they must work 2 or 3 jobs to do so. Then they'd really be too tired to perpetuate the problems. Mothers would think (well, maybe that's another big problem) twice before they have broods of children that they can't care for.

But there will always be people who will not be responsible, and that's why churches and charities help out any way. For people who really want help, help is available in this country.

Wasn't there fear and trembling when welfare reform was finally instituted? There weren't children dying in the streets (except those shot by gangs or killed by drugs). In fact, seems like there was a significant reduction in the number of recipients -- people actually could survive without government (i.e., taxpayers) assistance.

Perhaps Star Parker's books Uncle Sam's Plantation: How Big Government Enslaves America's Poor and What We Can Do About It and Pimps, Whores and Welfare Brats: From Welfare Cheat to Conservative Messenger should be required reading.

Just a few thoughts off the top of my head. I'll address your other concerns later. But Mixer did a good job already.

I want to read Star Parker's column "No to Medicaid for the Middle Class" about the major expansion of SCHIP, the State Children's Health Insurance Program and O'Reilly's coming on. Laughing out loud

I also remembered that the formerly overweight Mike Huckabee had some comments about Michael Moore and preventative health care that are helpful.

I haven't read "Giuliani Offers Health Care Plan" yet.

Gingrich probably has some ideas also.

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AF A-10 "Hack" -- I'm surprised -- More of my thoughts on Ann Coulter, every liberals nightmare!


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Submitted by Mixer on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 11:42am.

"he two of you feel that we need to perpetuate our endeavors in Iraq for the forseeable (sic) future; endeavors that are costing us all in the neighborhood of $4.5 billion a week. But don't dare spend a taxpayer's dime for uninsured children.

((((That’s a lie. Not only am I a Mason and a Shriner (Ever hear of our hospitals? What do YOU do for the children Kevin??), but I also helped construct part of the financial plan for funding Peach Care – look it up “Hack” it's government funded health care ))))

Pay no mind to the FACT that all of the $160,000+ a year representatives paid by our tax dollars also have healthcare and pensions paid by our tax dollars.

(((I’m sorry, did I support that – or is that another LIE?))))

But that's no problem. And as they tried to keep the minimum wage at 1998 ((((1997 actually)))) levels while voting for their own pay raises, that was no problem.

(((Oh, I supported that too?? – That’s the third LIE Kevin.))))

The GOP has incredibly become a party of one truth: Selfishness; me, me , mine. On every issue, it comes down to keeping taxes low; no matter the war; no matter the size of the government which those taxes feed; no matter the deficit. This is actually quite a sad theme for the party of "family values." The GOP will even hold their nose and vote Giuliani because he says the magic "low taxes" tag line. Oh yeah, and he was the NYC mayor on 9/11 which is instant cred.

(((( And that would be lie number 4 – if you look you may see that I am supporting Fred Thompson at this juncture- I actually would Support Bill Richardson – but you judgmental liberals would never nominate him as a Democrat)))

But I imagine making socialized healthcare (USED BY THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD –

(((You mean like Canada, England, and France?? Did you see Denise's blog??)))

the villain is easier than defending Alberto Gonzalez, the president's immigration policy

((((Uh, didn’t the Kennedy amnesty bill get defeated by the Republicans? And was I supposed to defend Janet reno too??))),

the money pit known as Iraq,

((((The war on terror is a 'Money Pit', there's a newsflash for you!))))

or the ethics of GOP leadership

(more bribes you say?) (((Like William Jefferson )))))

Heaven forbid that dollars currently used to fuel Halliburton and Blackwater contracts might one day be used to clean the teeth of or provide annual checkups for those pesky, poor, uninsured kids out there.

(((Tell me “hack”, who are the uninsured kids who do not receive free medical care??? - Grady alone spent 360 million in uninsured medical care last year - and that's not counting Peach Care, Medicare, or Medicaid - but hey, you are the expert...or maybe just a demagog or actually, I guess you see yourself more as a demigod )))

If either of you think our healthcare system is not broken, talk to any of our PTSD veterans who aren't receiving adequate care

(((Wait – the Veterans are getting SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE EINSTEIN – THE KIND THAT DOES NOT WORK – and I am a veteran thank you)))).

Ask yourselves if it is acceptable to have citizens bancrupted (sic) by health care related expenses.

(((Is this a trick question about budgeting and personal finance?)))

Please offer some solutions Mixer, instead of the all to common GOP personal attack tactics "Fat Boy Michael Moore" when you have NO substance of your own to offer. You guys are beginning to sound like the whiners I am sure you would rather not be.(

YES!!! FINALLY: ((( Here is solution number one: LOSER PAYS – TORT and COURT REFORM – GET JOHN EDWARDS and his TRAIL LAWYER MINIONS RUNNING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY OUT OF THE MILLION DOLLAR FLEECING OF INSURANCE COMPANYS, DOCTORS, AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC - Your party votes against ANY reform each and every time it comes up Kevin))))

Michael Moore is of no consequence.

(((( Michael Moore is a huge liar and hypocrite who uses capitalism to make millions while promoting a socialized system for everything but movie making. Why don’t we put the government in charge of what movies to make, where to make them, how much to pay the directors and writers ?? It’s good enough for health care and your medical care it must be good enough for making movies….right???)))

What you and I and others have to pay for our semi-adequate health care is.

((( YOU may have “semi-adequate” health care – but I have the best in the world and if I don’t like it- I can go to any other Doctor I choose to – unlike those guys in Cuba and at WALTER REID – HOW’S THAT SOCIALIZED GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE WORKING OUT FOR YOU KEV???))))

If you've got answers, please bring them. and as far as the conservative way of thinking has gone.....
I'll keep my liberal family values, thank you very much.

I think that about says it. I'll let Denise respond for herself. Unlike democrats, us republicans don't tell people how to think.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 6:33pm.

You feel that the minimum wage should have been raised?
You believe our taxes should not pay the healthcare of Lynn Wastemoorland and Dick Cheney?
You feel IRAQ (not Global war on terror as you attempted to insert) is not worth $4+ billion a week?

YOUR PARTY is not supporting Rudy Giuliani currently?

You had offered a solution somewhere in your "fat boy Michael Moore" literary work?

I guess I owe you an apology for somehow missing your constructive insight. And I must say, military healthcare is certainly far better than the uninsured or self-insured business owners who find themselves in financial ruin through no fault of their own. It is easy to run to that "personal financial responsibility" argument, but you must ignore the very responsible people who are self insured or underinsured because they simply CAN'T afford coverage; people like my sister in law who went underinsured for a year while trying to find a job with health insurance. You see, Mixer, there are a great number of 30-hour a week part time-Wal-Mart style jobs with zero health insurance. I don't blame the people filling those jobs for their position. Who would you have fill these jobs?

So, where Walmart doesn't provide, who should and how? Do we let these people rot in gutters if they should develop cancer, have dibillitating accidents or the like? Do we just step over them in the aisles of Sams wherehouse as they die at work? What to do with the least of these, Mixer? What to do?

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Locke on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 11:52am.

Anonymously spreading negativity over this website with opinions tainted by bitterness and a personal agenda.
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Submitted by Mixer on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 12:01pm.

... but I was bored and thought I would 'stir the pot' ... so to speak. Funny, when I was younger, I would have done something completely different ... I would have .... 'cleaned' the pot before I, well, you know.

By the way Locke, I watch Faux news and I know that Gerald Ford, the Democrat, is President and Dan Quayle is Vice President, so as you can see, not all Fox News watchers are 'uninformed'.

Oh, and another thing... it's "Well.... pause.... head tilt.... there you go again". Not: "...there you go again."

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Submitted by Locke on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 12:06pm.

The beach was great! Lots of sun and sand. Didn’t see Git Real in a speedo so that’s a plus too. It rained a couple of times but we just sat out in it ‘till it passed. I missed all the news and didn’t even know that nutty professor had been fired until I got back. I even missed Gonzales lying to Congress. He’ll be gone soon, in time for a recess appointment. I’ll be glad. I hate him ‘cause he’s Hispanic you know.

PS. I'm looking for a replacement for the Fox Noise thing anyway.
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Submitted by Mixer on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 12:15pm.

Is the daily KOS:

http://www.dailykos.com/

It has gotten a ton of press the last few weeks.

(((Just a suggestion - very contra ... contre.... con.... stimul... stemu... Drives us right wingnut whackos crazy)))

Sorry about the rain - I bet Ms. Locke made you go shopping at those dang outlets that day ....... I am THANKFUL you didn't see Git in speedo or otherwise.... there is just something about a deep red sunburn on a bald head with grey back hair coming out of a Hawaiian print shirt that makes vacations...well... 'weird'.

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Submitted by Locke on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 12:30pm.

I read it everyday with breakfast to get my talking points. All my friends post there. Then I surf democraticunderground.com. They are one of the few unbiased web sites that you can trust. Most sites are slanted.

Mrs. does all the shopping but doesn’t like to shop as a hobby so we didn’t. I only shop in book stores.

I’m seriously considering switching from Hillary to Obama. I’m still checking up on the news but I’m liking what I’ve seen so far in last weeks dustup.

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Submitted by Mixer on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 5:49pm.

For something more 'moderate' - I go with nationalreview.com just because it keeps me centered and is so 'fair and unbiased'.

Listen, in all seriousness, I am moving to Ohio. I have an investment opportunity I cannot pass up - it's family and it's my last venture.

I know you and I are political opposites but I can't help but think you would make a great friend and that you have a good heart. I appreciated your intellect and your sincerity. I wish you and you family all the best. Keep blogging and I'll keep reading ... (maybe Denise or Git can get your politics all 'straightened' out)! Eye-wink Who knows, maybe I will run in to you elsewhere in the 'blogosphere'.

God's Speed.

'Mixer'

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 08/01/2007 - 1:25pm.

Are you serious? Are you really moving? I thought you said your roots are here. You know you can still post from Ohio. Smiling

If you're really going to stop blogging, I will miss you!

God Bless,
Tug Smiling


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 08/01/2007 - 6:22am.

Oh no, how did I miss the news you are moving away? While I wish you well, you will be missed.


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Submitted by Mixer on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 11:15am.

I hate minorities, old people, poor people, women, capitalism and want to kill social security. I hate the flag. I hate free speech and civil liberties. I hate the military and want to see as many volunteer Americans (like myself) die as possible. I hope to have a big corrupt government that wastes money. I don't want to pay my share of taxes or to help the children in our country that live in poverty. I am more evil than Saddam Hussein himself and beat my wife and kick my pets daily. I am the most ignorant man to ever graduate from college with honors and double major in graduate school. I have spent a life time of selfishness and denying all rational and scientific evidence. I hate the planet. I hate sports, academia, and all government programs. I want criminals to all own guns and believe that Haliburton is God. I want the world to be taken over by Yale graduates and the Military Industrial Complex. I worship and an alter with candles a picture of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney every morning where I get my daily fax telling me what I should think and say. I despise freedom and want a camera and a judge in every bedroom. I want people to suffer and be denied health care and pray for floods to destroy cities like New Orleans. I believe that the immigrants in America are the root of all of our problems and hate anyone who disagrees with me.

And last but not least, I need a Delta pilot and weekend warrior without combat experience to tell me who I am and what I think and feel.

Yep, you are right. You found me out Kevin. I guess that's why you are the JUDGE and I am the JUDGED.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 08/03/2007 - 8:42am.

You had quite the Mydol moment. You don't take challenges to your "Michael Moore is a fat socialist" ideas very well do you? I must say that the near tearful iliteration of your academic prowess fails to inspire and impress within the package you wrapped it in.
So here is advice from a know-it-all Delta Pilot with combat time (don't know how you overlooked that):

Relax, hit a beach somewhere, bury your face in the sweet-smelling hair of the woman you care most about, and all of my comments will cease to have an impact on your life what so ever. You're a great guy with the heart of a warrior, but every one is not looking for a fight. Every now and then, we just try to make you think...twice (to borrow a phrase from a friend). Check 6, and God's Speed, Mixer

Cheers, your brother,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Locke on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 11:31am.

You have finally admitted to your foibles! This is exactly how I have envisioned you!
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Submitted by Mixer on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 11:52am.

You're just some fat cat Eye-wink How was Florida??

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 10:15am.

They not only don't want poor people to have medical care, they want them to pay way too much taxes, they want all kids in front of a judge to get 25 years--no parole---or more, (unless of course it is one of their kids---one of the judge's kids---Al Gores Kids, George and Laura Bush's drunken drinking underage kids with false id's. You get the idea?
They also like that Arizona Sheriff with the pink britches and tents in 138 degrees,with bologna sandwiches, at .38 cents a day budget!
They do like wars as long as they or theirs don't have to carry a rifle and step on bombs. Ok for them to go to AF academy, then serve in Texas for a few, and then leave the service for a Wall Street job, that's Ok. It is called selfish, I think! Free education, you know, with no service career.
They also hate and despise Mexicans in particular. If they had any sense they would hate the South Americans and the spies who cross the border, not the Mexicans who are hard workers, usually for Denise and co.
They also don't like people to speak out loud about atrocities--hurts the soldiers morale, you know? Whatever it takes to keep the stock market going up is Ok. Doesn't matter if it is false and all on credit---soon to burst!
They like for Reagan and Bush to have borrowed 16 Trillion dollars (16,000,000,000,000 )between them to prop up an economy our great grandchildren will have to pay. Just so they don't have to pay a little more right now!
It goes on and on, but I repeat myself!
Dribble down doesn't work!

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