What’s so bad about universal health care?

Tue, 07/24/2007 - 3:54pm
By: Letters to the ...

“Affiliated Press Release – July 18, 2007 — The Fayette County Commission today acted to put county fire and emergency services out for competitive bid. The commission believes the forces of the free market should be allowed to manage these services.

“One commission member said ‘As business leaders, you understand that investments must yield a positive rate of return. You understand opportunity cost and risk. We in the public sector are more risk-adverse. However, the public sector must create an environment that will attract, not discourage public-private partnerships.’

“Projected savings are forecast to be in the vicinity of a million dollars per year and a tax reduction is likely. This ‘public-private’ partnership will allow county residents to purchase, on the open market, several levels of fire and emergency services.

“The basic level of fire and EMS coverage will cost $15 per month, or the equivalent in food stamps. Called Private Residential Yearly (PRaY), a fire service evaluator would respond and would, if necessary, call for a fire truck, which in turn would extinguish any fires that spread to adjacent properties.

“The next level of coverage would actually cover the primary dwelling, assuming that no pre-existing flammable material was present. The fire truck would have to be from the homeowners’ primary fire house; additional permissions would be necessary to get an out-of-network fire truck, a hook and ladder truck or an ambulance.

“A sliding scale of coverage up to and including full coverage is available – for additional costs.

“Commission members believe that bringing market forces to bear will benefit all county residents, especially those who can afford full coverage...”

A private for-profit fire department? Absurd? (For the record, the commission has not put the fire and EMS out for bid, at least not to my knowledge.)

Would this be a good idea even with lower taxes? The police department? EMS? While we’re at it, how about the Army? Coast Guard? Air Traffic Control?

Where do we draw the line between for-profit capitalism and a legitimate government-provided service which is necessarily a taxpayer expense?

The “invisible hand” of Adam Smith, as practiced here, ends up clinched tightly around our windpipes when the government gives up its oversight and regulation.

Why then private for-profit health care?

OK, easy now; take a deep breath, and once you’ve gotten the ingrained “You mean socialized medicine” mantra that we’ve all been brainwashed into saying; and once you’ve gotten the “government can’t manage anything” mantra that the private sector and right-wing pundits have been harping on forever, think about it.

This is a non-partisan issue. Last time I checked Republicans got cancer as often as Democrats.

For those who fear the ‘gubment getting into health care, think about it this way: the French have an Army – but ours is better. The Brits have a Navy and Air Force – but ours is better. The Canadians have a marvelous Coast Guard – but ours is better. China has a space program – but ours is better. Air traffic control is good in Europe, but ours is better. Ireland has a highway system, but ours is better.

So why do you think our government couldn’t manage a universal health care program?

Considering that the U.S. health system spends a higher portion of the gross domestic product than any other country on health care, why do we rank 37 out of 191 countries by the World Health Organization? Is the “free market” working OK in this case? Anyone? Bueller?

I’ve heard Neal Boortz say that the government shouldn’t be involved, among other things, with public libraries – if you want a book, go and buy it. He doesn’t want his tax dollars used to fund them.

The Secretary of Transportation is on record as advocating selling our interstate highway system to private industry. Congestion will be far less if the highways are all toll roads, she says.

The government is doing it’s best to privatize the air traffic control system right now – Falcon Field will be a ghost town if they do it, and Mr. Boortz will have to pay for a weather briefing and an instrument approach in bad weather, but he does have the money, after all ...

So, are these functions the legitimate role of the government or not? Is this how we fulfill the “Promote the General Welfare” part of the Constitution? Or, is there no limit to the “free market”? Profit or perish?

If you believe that the government does have a legitimate role in these things, then why not health care? Why are we the only western democracy that doesn’t have it?

Is a for-profit hospital a good thing? Has the “free market” in health care worked for you? How about your elderly parents? There are 47 million Americans who it’s not working for, and every year there are more. Do you know anybody who stays at a job they hate “for the health insurance”? How many entrepreneurs would start a business if they knew that their families would still have health care? How much larger could our economy be without the threat and costs of our private system?

We are all just one job loss, catastrophic illness or “denial of coverage” from losing everything, including our lives and the lives of our children. Regardless of what the big banks want you to believe about so-called deadbeat credit card holders, most bankruptcies are caused by medical bills and the downward financial spiral that comes with those medical bills. Are those bankruptcies good for the country, not to mention the families that are devastated?

Yes, of course our taxes will have to go up. But consider this: The French have some of the highest taxes in the world, and even though they’ll strike at the drop of a hat about the price of cheese or wine, and they are easily rousted to march in the streets by the hundreds of thousands for job protection or more vacation, they never seem to complain about how much they pay in taxes? Why is that?

For a society so prone to complain, protest, march, and go on strike about seemingly mundane things, why aren’t they absolutely rioting about their taxes? Is it possible they actually see a return on investment in their tax dollar? Say it ain’t so, Grover Norquist.

Isn’t a universal health care system, I mean a good system, one way we can live up to our self-professed title as The Greatest Country in the World?

You see, one of my many character defects is this; when I read about 12-year-old Deamonte Driver, who died from a tooth abscess because no dentist would take their Medicaid insurance, I don’t see another poor black child; I see one of my sons.

And when I read about a 63-year-old woman, Carol Ann Reyes, who was dumped on skid row in Los Angles because she didn’t have insurance and the hospital, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower hospital, didn’t want to keep her, I don’t see a disheveled bag lady; I see my own recently deceased mother.

But for the grace of God go I? Isn’t a universal health care system one way we, as good Christians, can take care of the “least among us”?

If you believe it’s time we had universal coverage, then write to Rep. Westmoreland and tell him to co-sponsor H.R. 676 along with the 75 other congressmen who’ve already added their signatures.

The congressman can be reached at the Third District Office, 1601-B East Highway 34, Newnan, GA 30265. Phone 770-683-2033; fax 770-683-2042; office hours are 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday.

Thomas Finnegan

Fayetteville, Ga.

thomasfinnegan (at) earthlink.net

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 8:50pm.

that young boy died because of a lack of care. But when you read the story it is exactly why universal health care will not work. Doctors and dentists complain about their frustrations dealing with the current government medical schemes. A lot of those in the medical care field would rather not deal with this broken system. If current public schemes are not working why create a bigger problem?

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Submitted by wildcat on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 9:06pm.

They may have been poor and without dental insurance (and it is a horribly sad story), but they could have brushed their teeth and flossed a little more. I read that the younger brother had six(?) abcessed teeth. That implies to me that there was a lack of dental hygiene going on in that household.

I think if there were a cap on malpractice cases that insurance would be more affordable. What did people do before they could sue? I guess they just trusted the doctor to do the best job he was capable of and realized that sometimes people die.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/26/2007 - 7:31am.

If our soldiers who are getting killed and wounded every day had had sense enough not to join the army or navy or air force, they wouldn't have died when they did! What a stupid argument!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 07/26/2007 - 5:25pm.

Of all the C%&P that you post this must be a new low. HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS!!!!!! Regardless of how you feel about our involvement in Iraq, these men and women are over there fighting and they need our prayers and support. For you to say "if they had enough sense" just is - OH HELL, I'M SO MAD AT YOU I CAN'T EVEN THINK STRAIGHT.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 9:25pm.

You're absolutely correct as there is a certain amount of personal responsibility. That parent should have exercised a little bit of this.

With the state of our current social medical funding schemes, I’m not convinced that the government can deliver.
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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/26/2007 - 7:36am.

the kids, let them suffer!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 07/26/2007 - 4:51pm.

Oh, I have to guess rrrrrrrreeeeeeealllll hhhhhhhaaaarrrrddddd on this.

How about the...........

PARENT!!!!!

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Submitted by tonto707 on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 12:25pm.

that's a lot of B S trying to make a simple point: You want me to pay for your health care/insurance.

Ain't gonna happen. Hillary/Obama can't make it happen.

Anyone with half a brain knows that nationalized healthcare in any country is a mess. You bleeding hearts need to move on.

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Submitted by Mixer on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 12:39pm.

Didn't you see Michael Moore's factual documentary 'Sicko'???

He is a world renowned, accurate, docudrama maker who has no political agenda!!!!

Tonto....geeeeeee, I don't want to buy my own insurance!!! Waaaa- Waaaaaa- Waaaaaaaa!!!

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Ironically, Michael Moore wants free enterprise and competition in the film industry and makes millions from it. Do you think he will let the government take over the movie industry? Tell him what he can make, what he can charge, what he can pay? Pick the topic?

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Submitted by Thomas Finnegan on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 6:33pm.

Ahhh, yes. All the "good Christians" have added their comments. If only any of you actually had the balls to put your name with your "keyboard bravado" it might mean something. Enjoy it while you can, but 47 million people and growing aren't going to take it forever.

I hope and pray that you and yours don't fall victim to our "health care" system.

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Submitted by Mixer on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 8:06pm.

Do I still count as one of the "Good Christians"?

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/26/2007 - 7:25am.

What about synagogue, temple, tabernacle, those round things in Iraq, TV "church," "church" by correspondence, etc.
Doesn't the word "church" mean "gathering of people, not a building?
Do you "gather?" What was the name of Christ's church building?

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 7:36pm.

Tommie,

If you had a burst appendix and needed immediate surgery, which hospital would you rather the ambulance take you to - Government run Walter Reed or privately run Piedmont? (Consider only the quality of medical care that you would receive, not the distance to each hospital.

Answer truthfully now. No cheating.

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 08/01/2007 - 7:08am.

Still waiting for an answer, Tommy.

Which Hospital?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/26/2007 - 7:21am.

Actually, if it were a true emergency, life threatening, Grady would be your best bet.
Due to "circunstances," they have by far the most experience!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 7:00pm.

What does religion have to do with it? To tell you the truth, when other men start talking about my groin area and don't have a M.D. with their name it makes me nervous.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 9:35am.

Here's an excellent article written by a brillian man who explains why socialist health care is such a bad idea.

Health Care- Government vs. Private

Submitted by Thomas Finnegan on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 10:46am.

Dear Beaver,

Mr Williams article talks about the same "points" that private health insurance advocates always bring up. But he's wrong.

His 1st point is to try to tell us the governmnet can't do anything -from the Post Office to Public Schools we are to avoid the government. I disagree. The Post Office does a great job of delivering the mail, and we have some of the lowest costs for stamps in the world. I've personally used their express product and pay less than FedEx or UPS and the parcel arrives on time. Each time I "absolutely had to have something there" and I used a private parcel delivery service, it's been late. But that's just me. And the Postal Service MUST deliver all the mail - even to a home waaaay out in the boon docks - FedEx and UPS can pick and choose where they want to deliver.

Schools? Last time I checked we ran our own schools. Are you on the school board? Participate in the PTA? We get the schools we demand - just like we'll get the universal coverage we DEMAND. If you don't participate, don't complain.

Again, as I point out in the aritcle - if we have the best of certain government provided services (Army, Air Force, NASA, ATC, etc.) then why can't we (as voters) demand the absolutely best in Universal Health Care? ...If we can put a man on the moon....

He also uses waiting time data to tell us what a great system we have - I wonder what our waiting times will be if we include the 47 million who don't have ANY insurance? Think the times will be better than Canada then? And the waiting times for operations are for ELECTIVE procedures, not EMERGENCY procedures. Just follow the money.

I wonder if you'd share your employment background and that of your spouse? Mr. Williams, who wrote the article you reference, is employed in the "system". Is it possible that he would lose his position under a Universal system? Follow the money. The losers are going to be the big insurance companies and to some point, big pharma. The vocal detractors will have a financial stake in keeping the status quo. Imagine your Doctor just having to worry about your treatment, not wether you're covered or if your insurer must approve his treatment plan etc...

As for his contention that "most Americans" don't want Universal health care - he's just wrong. Poll after poll say we do want it. All we have to do is tell our elected representitives to 'git er done! But keep telling us about how evil "socialized medicine" is.

Lastly, are you OK, I mean personally OK, with the fact the our fellow citizens die from easily treatable conditions, like an abcessed tooth, because they can't pay for it? Is that OK with you?

Best regards.
Tom

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Submitted by Mixer on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 12:12pm.

Do you have any idea how critical the doctor shortage is in England?

Would you like to guess why?

Do you know where 90% of all new drugs come from?

Do you know why?

Did you know that 6 million of those 'uninsured' make more than 85k per year?

Who will be the nurses - government employees?

Who will do the research in to new drugs?

What will be their incentives to fund research and development?

Have you ever heard of Medicaid? Medicare? PeachCare?

Did you know that Hospitals that receive Federal funding cannot turn away a patient?

Do you have any idea what percentage of a hospital's budget goes to treating the 'uninsured'?

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 2:14pm.

We invent a lot of the new drugs here. It is financed by doctor's prescribing them even when not required, due to patient's insistence and TV ads. Some pills are $10.00 apiece! Not taken by very many derelicts!
Full insurance coverage for a family is now at about $15,000 per year. Things still have to be approved, and hospital stays are extremely limited.
We need to highly select doctor's and nurses whom we pay through medical school, and not let just anyone who wants to get rich or have the prestige do so, except on their own dime. Like we do quarterbacks.
Turn away a patient? You want to do that?
It wouldn't matter what the percentage of a hospitals budget was used for treating the uninsured, they just add it to the charges (say $2,000 a day for a room!)
It is the right thing to do!

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 11:14am.

The heart bleeds. Perhaps they wouldn't have an abcessed tooth if they watched what they ate.
Government doesn't do anything that they put their hand to very good. Just take a look at the air traffic control system - it’s on the verge of breaking because of government mis-management. The same can be said of Social Security, the public school system (regardless of what you may have been brainwashed into believing, it is absolutely terrible compared to some other countries), the IRS, we could go on and on.

If we are forced to pay into socialized medicine, where my hard-earned tax dollars go to pay for other peoples health, as well as my own, then I want some say so in what they eat and how they live their lives. I'm paying for their health coverage after all, I should have some say in it. No more McDonalds or fast food of any kind - its going to be broccoli and spinach with baked chicken or fish every night. And no more vegging in front of a computer game or the television every day, no sir. It's going to be 2 hours of outdoor activity every day to get the ol' heart rate up.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 07/25/2007 - 10:58am.

Are you serious about defending what you just wrote? Please tell me you were just kidding? Puzzled

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