"Either way, we need to chop off the head of the snake as soon as possible, whether it is Bin Laden or Al-Zawahiri, then chop up the rest of the organization whenever and wherever we find them." -- Agreed!

Until the Scotland bombings, I'd not thought of Muslim terrorists as well educated and having lives that would seem to be so worth living. I wonder how many "respectable" terrorists are living here in the U.S., waiting to do us harm.

Did you realize that Al-Zawahiri is a surgeon (master’s degree), and one of his aliases is "The Doctor"? He also studied behavior, psychology, and pharmacology and can speak French and English.

He’s from a “prominent middle class family” in Egypt. “His father was a pharmacologist and a professor coming from a large family of doctors and scholars, while his mother came from a wealthy and politicized clan. A bit of a bookworm, he excelled in school, loved poetry, and had a deep affection to his mother.”

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"Princeton Economist Says Lack of Civil Liberties, Not Poverty, Breeds Terrorism"

"'As a group, terrorists are better educated and from wealthier families than the typical person in the same age group in the societies from which they originate,' Mr. Krueger said at the London School of Economics last year in a lecture soon to be published as a book, What Makes a Terrorist?"

"'There is no evidence of a general tendency for impoverished or uneducated people to be more likely to support terrorism or join terrorist organizations than their higher-income, better-educated countrymen,' he said. The Sept. 11 attackers were relatively well-off men from a rich country, Saudi Arabia."

"One study finds the number of terrorist incidents is actually higher in countries that spend more on social-welfare programs."

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”45 Muslim Doctors Planned U.S. Terror Raids" (6/07/2007)

"A group of 45 Muslim doctors threatened to use car bombs and rocket grenades in terrorist attacks in the United States during discussions on an extremist internet chat site."

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” I Told You So: The Muslim Doctor Terrorists Are No Surprise; Revealing Muslim Doctors' Oath”

"Special visas are available for foreign alien MDs and other medical personnel to practice in America in small towns and at universities. This makes it easy for Islamic doctor terrorists to get in and stay in, without much of a background check."

"In any event, we should not be surprised one iota that Medical Doctors--successful, wealthy ones with a great deal of education--are terrorists. The phony paradigm that terrorism is a function of poverty and desperation is just that--phony. It's all about one thing that spans the various strata of wealth and poverty: Islam's goal of domination . . . and the use of jihad to get there."

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"When Your Doctor Is a Muslim: Medical Terrorism Comes to America"

"As Muslim doctors continue to flood into the country under lax immigration laws, hospitals around the country have acquired their fair share of them. Many hospitals in the Detroit area are now dominated by Muslim doctors and have been for some time."

"In Britain some Muslim doctors refuse to wash their hands with alcohol-based disinfectant, per the Muslim prohibition on alcohol consumption."

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“Can Terrorists Trained as Doctors Slip into the United States?”

"Three different militant groups in Gaza -- Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and the PLO -- all have had physicians in their senior ranks."

"People often assume that terrorists are poor, disadvantaged people who are brainwashed or need the money. But the ones who actually perpetrate violence without handlers and manipulation are highly intelligent by necessity,' Magnus Ranstorp, a terrorism expert at the Swedish National Defense College in Stockholm told The Associated Press."

"'It's only the smart ones who will survive security pressures in a subversive existence. Sometimes they are doctors, a profession that provides a brilliant cover and allows entry to countries like Britain,' he said."

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"'Terror Ringleader' Is Brilliant NHS Doctor"

"An Iraqi junior doctor [who is said to have completed his medical training in Baghdad] and a brilliant neurologist working for the NHS [the suspected ringleader of the Al Qaeda car bombers] are among the suspects being quizzed over the series of bomb attacks across Britain."

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"America Take Note of Terrorist Muslim Doctors In London"

"Clearly, Muslim terrorist acts have no relation to poverty, lack of opportunity or income, nor are they related to lack of civil liberties. What civil liberties are threatened when a well-to-do Muslim medical doctor is welcomed into London to live, practice medicine and earn money? The answer probably lies with an extreme side of Muslim culture and religion, which clashes with modern day society. These fundamentalist sons of Satan deplore western culture and everything that goes with it. From our wealth, form of dress and women’s rights, they see a mandate from Islam to dominate us."

"Our country cannot survive if its immigrants refuse to learn American customs, culture and values. It’s that simple. The radical religious Islamic culture that has little respect for women and human life will clash (as Europe is finding out) with any culture it comes into contact with.

"It is incumbent upon all Americans to understand that the war on terror is not a 'bumper sticker,' as some liberal democrats would have them believe. Moreover, moderate Muslims need to step up to the plate and take their religion and culture back, lest they be swept away in the radical Muslim tide. "

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Prime Minister Brown's Response to Terrorists (7/3/07)

"The global war on terror is just a bumper sticker." (7/2/07)

Just a few minutes ago, msnbc.com posted an article about an "Al Qaeda Family Feud" that is a very interesting read. They seem to imply that Bin Laden is still alive, but I still think he's dead. More importantly, they discuss Al-Zawahiri's recent activities.

Link: Al Qaeda Family Feud

Now, let me see that problem you posed.
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Divide and conquer. "Zawahiri has provoked a potentially serious ideological split within Al Qaeda over whether he is growing too powerful, and has become obsessed with toppling Musharraf, according to two jihadists interviewed by NEWSWEEK last week." "...last week's attacks would be further evidence that Qaeda and Taliban forces are newly empowered and have consolidated control of a safe haven along the Pakistani border." This means we may begin to get the support on the Pakistan border we have been lacking: "...if Musharraf doesn't confront the situation more squarely, he'll face a growing Taliban movement in Pakistan. "There is encroaching Talibanization now outside the tribal areas into Pakistan proper," says Crumpton, a judgment seconded by a confidential report from Pakistan's Interior Ministry, obtained by NEWSWEEK." I think we may see a cleansing of the area.

U.S. and Pakistani officials hope that Zawahiri overreaches in his zeal to kill Musharraf, and they get an intel break on his whereabouts. Crumpton says the United States needs to lead an effort with anti-Taliban local tribes, some of whom have been targeted by Al Qaeda. "If we are attacked here [in the United States], which we will be, it almost certainly will have originated from that territory.

In addition to this, the Iraqis are beginning to say 'no more' and point out the bad guys at an ever increasing rate. The tribal Sunni leaders are now on beginning to move to our side (Americas)as well.

I see this, and the infighting of Al Qaeda, as positives for the US Military and the growth of the political stability.

I am equally concerned about yet another arrest of Iranians smuggling weapons in to Iraq. The good news is we are tightening the border. the bad news is the Iranians are in up up to their eyeballs. If we leave - they will overtake Iraq and control the middle east.

Additionally, most reports say the surge is WORKING.

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"The War In Iraq Is Simple"

"Sorry for the simplicity, but I liken these Sons of Satan to cock roaches with little turbans. When you see one in your house, he ain’t alone. When you step on him, you know his brothers and sisters will eventually emerge. Therefore, the good old USA has to play the roll of the Orkin man and eradicate the terrorist infestation. The only problem is that our government has not been true to its word to hunt out terrorists no matter where they are. So, it’s not really a war on terror, its a series of battles."

"The war on terror will never end. The Muslim population is ever-increasing and new potential terrorists are born every day. We simply need to let the Orkin man do his job so we don’t see cockroaches in our homes."

What do you mean? He said he would, just not when!
So, only ignorant, poor people are supposed to be terrorists?Huh?
What about George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Paul Revere, on and on? Bad guys to the British!
They didn't go to England, however and blow up Picadilly Circus!

You also said, "In addition to this, the Iraqis are beginning to say 'no more' and point out the bad guys at an ever increasing rate. The tribal Sunni leaders are now on beginning to move to our side (America's)as well." and I agree with that as well. What's on our side here is that most people want to live, get married, and raise kids, just like we do, and when they realize that Al Queda offers mostly death and destruction, then they will turn away from Al Queda. I think that our tactic of arming the militias and letting them conduct their own policing will encourage that process.

I'm still not so sure about the surge, but if we start seeing a turnaround, I'll be all for whatever is working.

I WOULD like to see us put more emphasis on supporting the governments in Afghanistan and Pakistan. To me, that's still more important than Iraq.
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The Chinese may be interested in some of that chopped terrorist food to put into noodles with the cardboard!
Chop, chop, chop!
Our new allies (The Sunni Bandits) are doing our chopping for us. Aren't you proud?

I'd rather have the Shiites and Sunnis killing each other than having them killing our troops. I'm pleased that the new tactic of arming the militias seems to be working to reduce US casualties in areas where we are doing that. It may be the first step in a process of gradually withdrawing our presence in Iraq and getting back to the business of hunting down Al Queda.

Al Queda is dedicated to the destruction of Western civilization, so we have no choice but to hunt them down and kill them before they kill us.
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Gump, think a minute. Iraq is 20% Sunni, 80% Shiite.
Ya really think without our protection that is going to last 24 hours?

Let the Sunnis and Shiites fight that out between themselves. This will occur with or without our presence. Whenever we DO leave, they will sort out their own nation. Remember Vietnam? We propped up the South Vietnam government for years, but soon after we left, they fell to the Communists. We could have stayed there another 5 years, and it wouldn't have made any difference in the long run. Once we withdrew, the artificially propped-up government would roll over and collapse.

To use an analogy, imagine yourself at a dock. There's a rowboat next to the dock with your girlfriend in the boat. You pull up on one end of the boat. What happens? That end of the boat lifts partially out of the water. Now you let go of the end you are holding. What happens? The rowboat returns to its original level in the water.

The same thing is going on in Iraq. We are artificially propping up the current government. We can keep doing that indefinitely, but when we leave, the situation will resolve itself to its natural balance point, whatever that turns out to be.

The Shiites and Sunnis have been killing each other for a long time. Let them do their thing, as long as it doesn't involve us.
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This is not Vietnam. Not even close.

The only similarities between this war and the Vietnam Conflict is that the Jane Fonda/Harry Reid/Hillary Clinton/Baghdad Bonior and McDermott's of the world are still undermining our military effort and aiding the enemy abroad.

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According to the leftists Strategic Studies Institute of the Army, in their “Iraq and Vietnam: Differences, Similarities, and Insights” report; the following similarities between Iraq and Vietnam were cited:

An administration without a strategy for success; allies corrupt beyond belief; a totally dysfunctional native government; the inability to distinguish allies from adversaries; enemy support from proxies; Americans fighting a guerilla war; deceitful US administration; inadequate knowledge of culture, history and language; loss of domestic political support, quagmire and a hostile media.

However, take the test yourself. Which country/conflivt was the report referring to when they said:

1. “There can be no serious debate about the fact that we have a commitment to assist the (South Vietnamese/Iraq) to resist aggression from the (North/insurgents).”

2. “The integrity of the U.S. commitment is the principal pillar of peace throughout the world. If that commitment becomes unreliable, the communist/Islamist world would draw conclusions that would lead to our ruin and almost certainly to a catastrophic war.” Quote from Dean Rusk or Donald Rumsfeld?

3. Failure to defend (South Vietnam/Iraq) would cause other American allies to question the credibility of the U.S. commitment to their defense. It would also encourage communist/Islamist advances elsewhere in the world.

4. The (Ba’athist/North Vietnamese) insurgents may also have a large number of sympathizers and potential recruits among (Sunni Arab/South Vietnamese) communities in (Iraq/Vietnam).

5. Foreign fighters are currently entering (Vietnam/Iraq) from (Laos/Syria) and (China/Iran), countries that have been historic rivals.

6. The (military command) believed that American firepower could inflict intolerable casualties on the (Communists/Islamist) that would force the enemy beyond a cross-over point at which he could no longer replace his forces.

7. It was/is the (Communists/Islamist), not the Americans, who initiate(d) 70-80 percent of all firefights, which meant that they could control their losses by refusing combat altogether when it suited them to do so.

8. Generally alerted in advance to American intentions, the enemy avoided battle until they were ready.

9. For consideration of morale, huge base camps facilities were constructed, complete with movie theaters, swimming pools, snack shops, ice cream, baseball diamonds, post offices and lawns.

10. The presence of a firepower-superior enemy mandated refusal to present decisive targets, which in turn dictated avoidance of pitched battles, reliance on camouflage, hit-and-run attacks and use of populations as means of concealment.

11. One of the very negative trends in (South Vietnam/Iraq) during the post (Tet/Iraqi Freedom) years was a significant increase in (VC/radical Islamic) terrorist attacks on local government officials and civilian populations.

12. Pacification efforts involved significant non-military programs and initiatives aimed at swaying loyalties away from the (Communists/Islamists) and toward the (government).

13. Raids alienated innocent people swept up in them or offended by the terrifying surprise intrusion of foreign troops into private family settings.

14. The United States is finding it difficult to identify reliable measures of counter-insurgent success in Iraq/Vietnam.

15. Notwithstanding the administration’s obsession with the need for international allies to legitimize its war in (Southeast Asia/Iraq), only five other states contributed combat troops in Vietnam and only one contributed a substantial force.

16. National unity no longer existed/exist; no one was/is able to rally the people behind the national cause. Riddled by corruption, ineptitude and dereliction, the government hardly responded to the needs of a public which had lost confidence in it.

17. Originally created by the (French/American), the (Saigon/Baghdad) government could never overcome its origins as a puppet government.

18. None of this excuses the (Vietnamese/Iraqi) government for the primary share of responsibility for its demise because of professional military inferiority, rampant corruption and lack of political legitimacy.

Bonus question: If you missed them all, you should apply for a job in the (Bush/Johnson) administration?

Answers:
1. South Vietnamese, North. Quote from Dean Rusk
2. Dean Rusk
3. South Vietnam
4. Ba’athist, Sunni Arab, Iraq
5. Iraq, Syria, Iran
6. Communist
7. Communist
8. Vietnam
9. Vietnam
10. Vietnam
11. South Vietnam, Tet, VC
12. Communists
13. Vietnam
14. Vietnam
15. Southeast Asia. The five were Australia, New Zealand, the Philippines, South Korea and Thailand. The one was South Korea.
16. Vietnam
17. French, Saigon
18. Vietnamese

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He still owes me an apology though.

He is learning though. S-L-O-W-L-Y but learning none the less.

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OK, he's dead, now we can declare victory & come home. Wait, we'd better find those WMD's. Wait, we're arresting 1200 insurgents in Iraq a week, we'd better deal with them. Wait, OBL was in Afgani & not Iraq.
So what is your point? We've created a nightmare.

Do you suppose we are using the Slavic states torture chambers, the Turks, the Egyptians, just who are we using for these 1200 prisoners per day? Are there really that many? My what a wonderful thought.
We need one of those prayers the lady on here gives us to read in church next Sunday about all this!