PTC may dangle deal to improve trash service

Thu, 07/19/2007 - 3:40pm
By: John Munford

Citizen input sought for potential trash franchise contract

Peachtree City officials have announced they will take a second look at giving an exclusive contract for one company to provide trash service for the entire town in an effort to improve services for residents.

This time, the city is seeking public input on the matter, including a survey of residents, which can be downloaded at the city’s web site at www.peachtree-city.org/DocumentVIew.asp?DID=405.

The franchise issue is being revisited in light of one company’s elimination of the pickup of yard debris, and others that have reduced pickup days to once a week due to high fuel costs, officials said in a news release.

Although creating a franchise agreement for trash services would eliminate the free market competition, city officials think they can use an exclusive contract to serve the city’s 10,000-plus homes to entice a trash provider that will provide better service than is currently available.

“By offering the economies of scale associated with serving the entire population, we have an opportunity to keep the costs down, maintain the full range of services residents want, reduce the number of large trucks driving on our streets and provide assistance in assuring timely pickup of neighborhoods,” said city manager Bernie McMullen.

Currently city residents have their choice of service from four different companies: Allied Waste, Allsouth Robertson, CLM and Peach State Sanitation. Rates range from $12 to $15.20 per month for once weekly service, according to the city.

A proposal to create an exclusive trash collection contract first was brought up in January 2006, but it was voted down by the City Council based on concerns about creating a monopoly and residents who wanted the choice of having their trash picked up twice a week instead of just once.

Previously the city had a preferred provider agreement with Allied Waste, although residents were free to select any company they chose. The agreement led to problems because of citizens’ complaints about late or missed pickups with no way for the city to enforce service, officials said. The preferred provider agreement, however, limited costs and annual cost increases but Allied Waste backed out of the contract in March 2006, saying it wanted to enact a higher cost increase due to rising gasoline costs.

At the time, Allied served approximately 75 percent of city residents, city officials said.

If the city council chooses to execute a franchise agreement, it is possible that the city could gain some power to force the selected trash company to meet certain standards or face fines and perhaps cancellation of the agreement.

In addition to the downloadable survey, citizens are invited to send other comments about the trash franchise proposal via mail to city hall at 151 Willowbend Road, Peachtree City.

The matter is expected to be discussed at the August 2 meeting of the city council. If council chooses to pursue the idea, the city will send out a request for proposals, officials said.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 12:22pm.

Hey I wouldn't mind this. The city could make demands of free trash pickup once a year, and get rid of debris that are too bulky. No used swing sets dumped in the greenbelt areas, or hidden behind the bushes, to be seen in the winter! I am very pro for it. Weekly green waste pick up, extra bin for recycle items, no excuses for lazy neighbors. What is not to like about this?


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Submitted by savethevinyl on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 7:52pm.

I agree, bulk pick up would be a welcome addition. What really burns me is that all 4 companies charge to recycle. What incentive does anyone in Peachtree City have to separate glass, plastic and paper. NONE !!!!!!!!!!!!. I have live in numerous communities that took recycling serious, going as far as not picking up garbage that sounded like it had glass or cans in it. Wake up PTC, mandate recycling and make the companies provide free containers. No, I am not a green liberal. Quite on the contrary. Just a concerned citizen wanting to keep our beautiful city beautiful.


Submitted by bladderq on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 8:49pm.

I recycle. It is a misconception that the garbage companies make any money on recycling. The only think I can think they gain is that their "tipping" charges are less at the dump not hauling our glass. I haven't looked in a long time but glass (brown, green or clear) was worth nothing. Plastic..forgit it. S.F. has banned their employees from using it. It cost more to pick it up and recycle it. A grocery plastic bag cost almost nothing to produce but a lot to pick it up and reprocess. Same for newspaper. I don't know any resident that generates much good card board. AL can, pretty good but, HEY, if ya got any copper!!

Call the city code enforcement & see how quick that abandoned swing set gits gone.

I took a load to the Fayetteville dump & it cost me every bit of $4. That's Four Dollar.

Submitted by bladderq on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 12:54pm.

I am not sure where you got the weekly green pick up & the once a year bulk (from city survey?). You don't have a recycle bin?
Let it be a city service & add it to the tax bill, then you can call city hall and complain. I am happy w/ my provider.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 1:24pm.

Sorry, to confuse you. What I meant is I would want a weekly or even bi monthly green pickup. I like my provider no complaints, but I must say I want free bulky pickups so my neighbor have no excuse not to remove that old swing set out of their backyard/greenbelt area. You can't see it from the street, but when it's winter, I can see it from my deck, and it really makes me mad. It's been there before we bought out house and if they get their lazy ways, it will be there when they die.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 5:16pm.

You are obviously from Brooklyn, Poip; so there are none swings in the brown belts of Brooklyn?
Hang a sheet in the cite path of thuh swang, with purple polka dots.
Maybe somehow the will git the idee!

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Submitted by poipendicular on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 8:15pm.

Not Brooklyn, but it's not a swing set in use. It's in a ditch, in pieces. Recycling should not cost the homeowner money, in fact it makes money for the garbage companies. They get us to sort it, and they sell it for money. For some people, it's better to do the recycling themselves and make their $5 for how ever many bags of cans. Others don't mind losing the $5 and the garbage companies can take care of that hassle. Yea, I've lived in parts of the country with garbage franchises, and for the most part have never had any problems. If I was missed, I called the garbage company and they came by within a day or two and got it. The only downside to free bulky pick ups are the scavengers driving around the neighborhoods looking through the trash the night before the pick ups, but that's the beauty of a gun, you hear noise shoot in the air, they take off.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 9:13pm.

Recycling should not cost the homeowner money, in fact it makes money for the garbage companies.

I have reason to perhaps contradict your statement saying the garbage companies make money off of recycling. One must understand the equipment that is required to administer the required recycling programs that the muni's mandate. Then when you add in fuel, insurance, and the cost of manpower at best the monies they receive from the sale of the materials barely covers a fraction of their actual expenses.

In my business (as a lawyer per Grif Guy) we accumulate massive amounts of cardboard and HDPE scrap. Recently we had such a glut of card board boxes that we decided rather than throw them in the dumpster we would break them down and recycle them. For nearly 2 tons of cardboard that we also had to drive to the facility and manually unload we received less than $60.

Also take into consideration that we recycled about 1600# of premium HDPE scrap and received about $125.

If you understood the amount of time and effort that we invested in recycling this product you would understand what a poor business decision it is for most companies to recycle.

Now take your garbage company and again look at the amount of time, fuel, and labor costs it takes to go house to house loading the material. By the time they fill their bins there is no way a profit can be turned off of glass, newspaper, plastics and cans. So in order to make this a profitable venture they must charge a fee to subsidize these recycling efforts.

All one has to do is understand the cost of doing business and how to figure actual costs. Understanding again the costs of fuel, trucks, equipment, insurance, compliance issues, etc., etc., the last business I'd want to invest in is the recycling business without some sort of subsidy to prop it up. Think of it like you would Amtrak. If the taxpayer didn't pour hundreds of millions into Amtrak to prop it up there would be no Amtrak. The same applies to your recycling program.

Again I have to determine personally in the future as to whether I chunk recyclable materials in the dumpster or pay dearly in time, money and productivity trying to re-use these resources.

And no.... it's not always about money.... but if you want companies to recycle your garbage then you must understand they have to have a return on investment.

Good conversation though. We'd all like to recycle where it makes sense. Smiling

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Submitted by poipendicular on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 10:22pm.

You are correct, it most likely has to be one of the big garbage companies that make the money from recycling, most likely the ones that own the landfills. Recycling is a hassle, it takes time to sort, and breakdown items, wait for the truck to come haul it away or do it yourself, for a few pennies. The thing about recycling is that it is the way of the future. Less volume in landfills, more natural resources, or perhaps it's less chemicals spewed out into the air. I read one of the provinces of Canada has a 90% diversion rate of their garbage. Meaning of all the garbage that accumulates in your trash, only 10% of it is actually going to a landfill. Food scraps are put in with green waste to be converted to compost or dirt, etc. I read that years ago, and now I can't find out where I read it. California has something similar in effect. They are trying to divert 80%. Also for the rising fuel costs, many of the large trucks have been converted to alternative fuel to decrease emissions. UPS, Fed Ex, garbage trucks, and many government vehicles. Perhaps it is because that state is so large and populated that they are ahead of the curve and must do what they can to save their natural resources.


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Submitted by savethevinyl on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 1:04pm.

My point remains, that in a progressive city such as ours, we are given ZERO incentive to recycle. Sometimes it is about what is the right thing to do. Granted I haul off my newspapers once a week. Wether or not garbage haulers make or spend money recycling, the City should provide the bins and encourage citizens to start. Perhaps starting with aluminum cans and then transitioning to bottles. No I am not a tree hugger, quite the contrary.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 07/23/2007 - 1:35pm.

Not that we shouldn't do it to conserve raw materials for our follow-ups in a hundred years, but it is not politically correct to say that no one wants nrespapers, glass, and such.
There are stockpiles of this stuff as big as the city of Peachtree, all over the country!
Very little is being used unless someone who thinks they are being patriotic orders it that way! It cost them a premium, but they indicate on the container, etc., that it from re-cycled material.
Good ads.
More of that false positive attitude stuff!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 9:17pm.

Not to appear dense[ although I am my fathers son] what is HDPE scrap?

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 07/22/2007 - 9:26pm.

High Density Poly Ethylene. As in plastic pipe or milk jugs. Look on the bottom of your milk jug and you will see that recycle symbol. Inside the symbol you will probably see the letters H-D-P-E stamped in the center of it.

See... You aren't dense...the plastic is.

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Submitted by bladderq on Fri, 07/20/2007 - 11:17am.

Not that I have a problem w/ Comcast & I certainly remember the days when cable service went out in PTC w/ the threat of rain
BUT, Why don't I have a choice of cable providers? Most in PTC do not realize that Newnan Utilities has laid a line to PTC. I believe they provide internet to some business of Huddelston / Dividend. Who provides internet service to city hall?

Submitted by bladderq on Thu, 07/19/2007 - 5:34pm.

Where is the free market approach to this? We are happy with Allsouth Robertson.
Maybe the city wants to take back the chore and provide it as a city service? I didn't think so.

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