I can't understand the laws that allow this woman to drive when she has the two homicide charges and numerous traffic citations pending also. She should have had her license suspended immdeiately after the charges were filed or at least at the arrangement.For those of you making light humor of this,I hope you never have to endure the devestation of the sudden loss of a loved one and the emptiness and grief an event like this causes to the family by never being able to say good-bye or I love you to that person. This woman is so touched and moved by the taking of two lives ,she deliberately goes out and drives drunk and endangers numerous innocent people. There is such a thing a a cab and the folks at Y-Not will call you one. She feels she is above the law and Thank-you PTC police for taking her off the road,now let's do it permenantly. Those of you that know me, know I never hand out quedos to the PTC police but there is always a first time for everything

Ms Painter is being sentenced Feb. 5th 2008 at the Fayette County Court House before Judge Sams at 2:15pm. Here is what we know from this fatal accident that she was charged with;
As most of you remember, last March (2007) we were all shocked to hear of the car accident that took the lives of John Minaberry and friend of many Lennie "the locksmith" Dunn. She is a young mother of 3 who caused that accident.

Since that time, we have learned the following about Mrs. Painter:

l. At the time of the accident, she was on probation for public
drunkenness and assaulting a waitress at Loco’s restaurant in Sept. 2006.

2. At the time of the accident, she was found to have 3 different
anti-depressants and a stomach relaxer in her blood.

3. After she was charged with 2 counts of vehicular homicide and failure
to yield when turning left, she was arrested for DUI and her husband was
ticketed for an open container violation.

4. She served 60 days in jail for the DUI and when released from jail to
home-arrest, she chose to ignore the conditions of that home arrest and
appeared at the workplace (Publix) of Lennie's step-daughter on several
occasions - forcing the manager of the store to make a complaint to the court. She was sentenced to 10 days in jail for failure to comply with home arrest. Now we come to the vehicular homicide and failure to yield court case.

The Solicitor General, representing the people of Fayette County, has made his sentencing recommendation to the court that would allow Mrs. Painter to plea "no-contest" to all charges and receive 24 months of probation, along with fines and a few other restrictions.

Knowing that past behavior is usually the best indicator of future
behavior, we do not understand how those elected to protect and keep safe the people of Fayette County could recommend probation and no jail time for the taking of two lives.

If you would be willing to support the families of John Minaberry and Lennie Dunn as they express their concerns with such a recommendation, please come to the Fayette Justice Center on Jimmy Mayfield Drive on Tuesday, February 5th at 2:15p.m. If you would support this and are unable to appear at the courthouse that day, please feel free to put your thoughts on paper and send them to or send them to Judge Fletcher Sams at the Superior, State & Magistrate Courts -One Center Drive or P.O.Box 130 - Fayetteville, GA 30214.
Phone 770.716.4290 - Fax:770.716.4868

Here is a person that should get that maximum penalty of 3 years in jail. Where is the justice?

Besides the taxpayers?

Huh,......so for killing two people you can get probation in Fayette County??? Good to know......there are a couple of people that have been on my last nerve lately....Jeeezzz.....

What the heck kind of message is that? Honestly the counties around us are testing our cops enough without this joker advertising leniency. This would be too easy of a sentence even for a first offender.....but this joker...??

This is absolutely OUTRAGEOUS!! This is Fayettenam. Criminals used to get the maximum sentence everytime here.

Probation?? That has to be a sick joke.

Unfortunately, there is not a mechanism of law by which her license can be suspended for vehicular homicide before she is convicted (several months to come on that one). The DUI could suspend her license in as little as thirty days under the Implied Consent law, if she does not request and obtain a hearing on the matter. She most likely will, and that will buy her some more time until she loses the Administrative License Suspension hearing or is convicted of the DUI - at which time she will receive a six or twelve month suspension. Point being, unfortunately the law does not provide any other method of suspension to stop her from driving immediately. I wish it did.

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God bless you Barbie. I know you still hurt. I thought for a long time before responding (which for me is hard to do ).

I knew (and liked) Lennie Dunn for many years and appreciate (more than you will ever know) what he did for Dustin (Lovett) and all of us. I have met you as well but will remain anonymous. I am also friends of Barry and Cheryl.

What a tremendous loss John, Lennie and Dustin are for us all.

I also know the blogger 'Hutch' as a regular blogger on here and I want to assure you that he would NEVER in any way intentionally have offended you or said an unkind or insensitive word to you or regarding Lennie or John.

His statement (Hutch's) was actually helping to point out to the user 'bladderq' the idiotic and criminal behavior of the 'woman' who, as you have eloquently stated, shows obscenely poor judgment and is indeed a danger to us all.

I know that you and the kids miss Lennie. He will never be forgotten by those of us who knew him.

As I think of Dustin and Lennie I smile - and then I become sad, but then I smile again. I was blessed to have known them both.

May healing, love and peace be with you and your family.

Thank you Barbie.

'Mixer'

Thanks big guy.

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It's all good brother.

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It's been right at 24 hours since I apologized so I assume you choose not to accept it since I haven't heard from you. I don't retract my apology but I will ask you to answer one question, what did my comment have to do with you? We weren't talking about the accident she had with your husband we were talkling about a DUI arrest. I never saw anywhere that alcohol was involved in the accident with Mr. Dunn so the 2nd incident had nothing to do with the first. So I can't help but think that if you were offended it was because you wanted to be offended. I will say again it was not my intent to offend you in any way.
To my friends Hack and Tug, I will simply say thank you, ya'll are two of my most favorite people in the world.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

In light of the fact that I work more than one job within the legal arena, I simply do not have the time to read and reply to post very often. In regards to your apology, I saw it, I accept it and appreciate you extending it. Had some issues witht the site as well.
Now, to answer your question "What did my comment have to do with you"? Well, I was married to Lennie Dunn for more than half of my life and he is my children's father, and we built a business together that worked like a well oiled machine called "AlwaySafe Lock & Key, Inc"...
Let's face it, although the DUI arrest legally has nothing to do with the vehicular homicide case, the "Citizen" linked the two together, and rightfully so since Mrs. Painter was involved in both.
What it DOES have to do with is the fact, that this "person" has no remorse. She has a husband and two children and it is obvious that she has no regard for herself, her family or ANYONE for that matter and did not care what the ramifications would or could be if she (as she did) made the decision to drive while under the influence. Would any of you feel differently if she'd caused an accident while DUI last weekend and killed a couple more people? How about someone in your family? You'd be outraged and you know it.
In reference to your statement (again, an assumption) that I was offended because "I wanted to be offended", that's simply not true. I was offended because you crossed a line by making a joke about Mrs. Painter being too drunk to sing, so that's why she was driving. And lastly, I don't care which of the two of them (Mr. & Mrs. Painter) were the "least" intoxicated, neither should have been driving.
Again, I accept your apology and appreciate it very much, and Hack, Tug, I get your points as well. Just because I'm not replying doesn't mean I'm not aware of what's being posted.
To all of you who have stood firmly beside our families during this horrific ordeal, we thank you so much, it is by the Grace Of God and your constant prayers that we are learning to "cope", we will never truly get over it, but with God we will move forward embracing the wonderful memories we have of Lennie and John.
Be Blessed, and Be A Blessing In Someone Else's Life!

Barbie Dunn
Fayetteville,GA

You are one of my most favorite people in the world too.
I think maybe Mrs. Dunn is just upset because of her loss, and this recent incident. She doesn't know you like we do.

Apparently she doesn't read all of our comments. You are a wonderful person. All the regular bloggers know you wouldn't intentionally hurt anyone.
Hutch, you are one of the most good-hearted people here.

Tug

If I wasn't already married..........

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I'm flattered.

Just remember, you ain't seen me yet.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Get a room!!

Get your mind out of the gutter. Go take a nap. When you wake up, come back and write something constructive.

get a life

I yam what I yam...Popeye

From reading your response to Hutch, I can tell you aren't likely a frequent visitor to these blogs. As Hutch is too humble to defend himself to you, I will tell you about Hutch. Hutch is one of the perpetual peace makers on this forum. He even tries to translate Dollaraday's posts for us. When subject matter gets unnecessarily personal and contentious, Hutch introduces a bit of humor to lighten the mood (called levity).
I have lost loved ones long before their time and I know the enduring pain very well, but I would encourage you to not read the associated posts if it potentially will reopen wounds. I remember how ugly posts got after the accident. There are things better left unread. This is possibly one of those areas. There are a legion of posters here who have offered warm wishes and prayers to all families envolved. hutch is one of those people. I hope that the memories you shared will help guide you through your continuing pain. God Bless!

Kevin "Hack" King

This post shows me a bit of what you are really about. Political disagreements quite aside, you really have my respect. I need to buy you a beer.

I totally agree with Hack. Hutch is a good humble guy. He's always the peacemaker.

I am sure it wasn't hutch's intention to offend you.

I respect both Hutch and Hack very much.

Let me first start by saying if I have offended you in any way I apologize. If her accident with your husband had mentioned alcohol in any way I never would have gone there, what this sad attempt at levity meant was she was most likely the soberest one in the car. again I apologize for any offense I may have caused.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

You said " I hate to blame the victim but sometimes we do create our own problem". That's not blaming the victim? I daresay she does cause her own problems and I think I see a pattern here, you sound like our little buddy IDRIVEFASTSOWAT. Sic 'em Cyclist.

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Where is he? I'm still seating on my perch. Daddy Git promised that more will pass by!!!!
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Were you at the band meeting last week?

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Yes.

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This one is called bladderq, he's defending the drunk chick that killed the two men a while ago, I think he's IDFSW daddy.

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Unrelated? Perhaps, but still a startling display of her behavioral tendencies and inability to be adequately shocked into driving safely after taking two people's lives.
And yes, you should hate to blame the victim. In this case especially because he was just that - a victim. I don't care if he was going 83 miles per hour, she still should not have turned in front of him. This is nothing more than an excuse. If you or Mrs. Painter have a problem with obeying the rules of the road that say you have to yield right of way then don't drive.
Barely drunk? Are you kidding me? .10 is more than enough to significantly impair driving ability. Even by law, the DUI statute states that one can be charged for DUI less safe at .05 - one half of what this woman was charged at. At .08 the law states that you are statutorily too intoxicated to drive - regardless of tolerance, manifestations, size, weight, or whatever else. She's still obviously above that. To take it a step further, if you go to the Governor's Office of Highway Safety page and look at their studies you'll find that people in this range of intoxication are frequently more dangerous than those who are at a level twice that. The reason being that, even though the person with a higher BAC is more impaired, they are generally more cautious and travel at slower speeds (because they know they are impaired) than people who are something like a .10 and are still at the stage of thinking they can drive "better". That's why the lower BAC levels, which are still at impairing levels, are more commonly associated with the high impact or high speed collisions than are the ones more commonly causing fatalities. Statistically speaking, the much more intoxicated people are still very dangerous, but more likely to run off the road and hit a tree or something as opposed to hitting another car at some ridiculous speed or while running a red light.

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She was coming home from work & was not charged w/ being under the influence. She was charged w/ having (Causing) an accident.

Being charged w/ a DUI now is...unrelated.

If I choose to git on my faulty ladder to change that light bulb way up in the vaulted ceiling and it collapses …Am I still not the victim of an accident?

I don't care if she was charged with DUI last time. I was not disagreeing they they could be seen as "unrelated". Clearly the two incidents don't have anything to do with eachother - except to characterize the person, her thought patterns, and decision making ability.

I don't know what your point even is with that remark about the ladder and being the victim... that has nothing to do with anything I said. All I said was don't blame him, it wasn't his fault. If I did not express that cleary enough for you then I'll try and break things down better next time. I reiterated the word victim as it pertains to him as a method of reinforcing the fact that it was not his fault - much like your ladder collapsing would not be your fault (even though that is a horribly illogical correlation given the context of this conversation)

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Not connected?

Same Person
Same Poor Judgment
Same Town
Same Danger to the public
Same Court
Same Newspaper reporting it
Same Defenders
Same Defendant, oh what the heck.

Hummm-

Different Week.

You are right.
They are not connected.

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Not connected?

Same Person
Same Poor Judgment
Same Town
Same Danger to the public
Same Court
Same Newspaper reporting it
Same Defenders
Same Defendant, oh what the heck.

Hummm-

Different Week.

You are right.
They are not connected.

Mixer: I think this is the most straight forward to the point post of all regarding this issue. And to those of you wondering about bond, yes, Mrs. Painter made bond and is free to drive amongst us again, God help us all.

Barbie Dunn
Fayetteville,GA

1:40 AM on the second accident (which should be called a crash instead of an accident) which occured on the way from Y'nots to Fayetteville.
The first accident/homicide occured on the way to Y'nots.
Coincidence? you tell me.

Is this situation like : I fall and break my leg and in so doing I knock another old lady down and I get a ticket for that from a cop; then, trying to hobble home, I knock another old lady down and get another ticket for that, and in so doing I break myother leg. Then I crawl along the gravels, startling a driver who hits and breaks my arm with his wheel and bumps the car in front of him, for which I get another ticket for that. Then while trying to slither on home........well, is it?

But I don't think there are witnesses that said they saw the Porsche speeding. Pretty assuming to try and come here with some doubt about that terrible accident. Fact is, she turned right in front of them, they never had a chance. If you think they were speeding, I think you need to come with more than random thoughts & accusations.

I also agree, .10 is not much. My question is, why does she even have a drivers license at this point? Why was it not suspended? We suspend folks licenses for refusing to take the roadside dui tests, yet we can't suspend them upon being arrested for vehicular homicide?

Yes she can be suspened for vehicular homicide, but not until convicted

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I know nothing...Nothing. I sent J. Munford an e:mail when it happened to see what the evidence at the scene said & it wasn't back.

I have tried to teach my kids that there is actually a reason behind speed limits. You know like to give people time to pull out or cross and be able for them to have some reliable perception of how fast traffic is flowing. That when you top a hill speeding...you better know what to do if someone has pulled out of a side road or in front of you.

I admit to being the guy in the red race car speeding. I can some how see a guy with his buddy in a Porsche speeding on that road going against traffic.

Is barely drunk like barely pregnant? Right , blame the dead guy, he can't argue his case.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

I would like to know how fast he was going. Ya'll can't even deal w/ bicycles on the road. Gawd forbid some guy in a sports car (again, I own one) rockets in front of you.
I'll let her attorney present her defense. I think there may be one.

I wonder which tail light was out? My point was that the 2 events are unrelated and it may not justify, "Lock her up & throw away the key" knee jerk reaction.

What are you talking about with the taillight?

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Last time I looked even the PTCPD had to have some "justifiable cause" to make a traffic stop. I would be curious to know what this one was.... especially since they weren't in a pick-up truck w/ a ladder and no red flag.

Maybe it was failure to signal lane change. It was at night so we know it wasn't "Day Time" running lights out.

Oooopppppps I mean intellectually challeneged?

Hmmm, tail light out? Maybe she was speeding and weaving, like most drunks.

Don't talk about the accident if you don't know for sure what happened. I was pulling out of Pike and turning south when I passed the red sports car. I noticed it because I have a hot red convertible and like all antiques. They weren't speeding they were in a pack of cars that just had been released by the red light.

Lay off the paint chips and drugs. No matter how safe your kids tell you the drugs they buy in PTC are.....they really aren't don't use them. Even if you buy them on a "good" section of the paths.

Obviously there was some reason, I wish JM would have written it in the article because it should be available under the open records act or in the press release. It was probably just poor driving, like driving over lane boudaries or something. I'm not sure I get your remark about the ladder and flag or running lights. Just taking a shot at the police department for what they stop cars for or something?

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Denise!!! Help this clown please!!! No one (Gump) believes my statistics on alcohol consumption and blood/alcohol levels anyway.

I suppose me teaching a class on specific gravity, specific density, and saturation is completely out of the question here huh?

BAC Calculator

If you are female and weigh 130 pounds and you have consumed 4 Glasses of table wine evenly over a period of 1 hour, then your estimated BAC is 0.101.

(same weight but 4 glasses of beer = .098 = .10)

(same weight but 5 glasses of wine or beer = 0.133)

If you are female and weigh 150 pounds and you have consumed 5 Glass(es) of table wine or beer evenly over a period of 1 hour(s), then your estimated BAC is 0.116 = .12.

(same weight but 4 glasses of wine or beer = 0.087 or .085 = .09)

120 lb. -- 4 glasses of wine or beer = .109 / .107 = .11

120 lb. -- 3 Margaritas = .10

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0.00 g/210 liters of breath - This is the only safe BAC level.

0.02 g/210 liters of breath - At and above this level US federal laws mandate that a person in a safety sensitive transportation job must be removed from the workplace.

.10 is 5 times the .02 level.

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Conclusion: Women can't drink as much as men; the more you weigh, the more you can drink without increasing your BAC; food mitigates the BAC somewhat. Any alcohol impairs driving skills.

* 4 glasses of wine or beer or 3 Margaritas over a period of 1 hour * is a lot whether or not you drive. In no way should a woman drive after consuming so much.

I was kinda interested in you but I thought you were more an Ann Coulter size. Take that BAC down to a 110# to 130.

Girls...ya'll are in trouble. You can hardly drink anythang & drive.

4 beers in an hour -- .116 = .12 = DUI

3 -- .078 = .08 = DUI

2 -- .041 = Half DUI?

Those #'s have to be way off. A female can not drink more than 1 to 1 1/2 drinks in an hour & be under .08.

I am still puzzeled (other than alot of public arm twisting & how can you possibly support a vice) did the BAC git dummy downed to .08.

Please tell us what to look for and when she is on the road so we can pull over and do the 'Mary untie knots' thing!

Come on Ballard - slam one.

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She was only driving cause she was to drunk to sing.

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What a crying shame. She should never drive again. I wonder what the toxicology reports say about her first accident?

Mom used to say "some people don't look up to God until they are flat on their backs but one way or another - you will".

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People don't change, hack. Why should they act like you instead of them?

What do you mean on this one? Why should people "act like" me and not drive drunk? Dollar, do I need to explain why people should either choose not to drive drunk, or be incarce.. encarcar... locked up?

Kevin "Hack" King

Well you obviously don't think like I do that people never really change (90%) anyway.
Once a drunk driver, always a drunk driver, sometimes.
You must be a never a drunk driver!
I don't believe the theory either that hardened drunks and wife beaters make the best conservative preachers, or Fathers.

"Well you obviously don't think like I do" -- $, NO ONE here "thinks" like you!

"Once a drunk driver, always a drunk driver, sometimes."

"I don't believe the theory either that hardened drunks and wife beaters make the best conservative preachers, or Fathers." -- Do you know what a theory is?

Who says that "hardened drunks and wife beaters" make even good preachers, husbands, or fathers? No socially conservative would, and I doubt that any socially liberal Republican or Democrat would say that either. I doubt even the "hardened drunks and wife beaters" would claim to be good or even "the best."

Would you like to re-THINK or re-phrase your statement?

Looks like a case of PUI (Posting Under the Influence).

NUK

Minaberry. He was a special and outstanding individual.
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My goodness if we did things like that (lock them up) half of PTC would be in jail after a Friday orSaturday night! Of course they don't all kill someone accidently.

Which "half" would you be in?

What are you trying to say? If we lock people up for DUI in PTC then half of PTC would be in jail after a weekend? Do they not arrest people for DUI in PTC? I thought that's what this article was about. If half of PTC is driving drunk I need to move...
Oh wait... that's right, dollar is just spewing nonsense again... I may even agree with it though if I could tell what he's trying to say. Even if they were half drunk, I'm sure they'd still only catch a tenth of those with all 2 of their police officers working.

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I do research.
Sometime at about eleven at night, inventory the customers in the ten biggest attended bars in PTC (after having noted them into the bar earlier, and then find out the volume of alcohol sold that night to those customers.
Now have a slew of cops stop them just off the property at a block and check for DUI.
You will have to hire your own cops as the regulars won't do this for obvious reasons.
House parties with 20 cars around can also be trapped, but it is not done.

Let's hear it. I can think of Ynot, Tavern & The Red Room, possibly WK Cafe, 3 Dollar, and Taco Mac. You need 4 more BARS to even get to 10.

Most of the restaurants in this town that serve have pulled down the shades by 11 PM, and they certainly aren't bars.

I've yet to see a bar forcing people to drink and drive.

Good point dollar. If my weak memory serves me correct there was a traffic fatality a couple of years ago from a patron leaving Y Knots on Aberdeen Parkway. It would be interesting to see how many DUI stops have been the result of each specific bar in town, and to see where the problem originates. Cheers

Actually the patron in that crash had left Martini's, and he had just turned down a cab ride from a cabbie outside the establishment.

BTW I hadn't remembered the cabbie angle, but looking it up on my computer was a breeze.

Thanks for the correct info. However I still believe that our bars are over-serving patrons. Most big brand name establishments have mandatory server "TIPS" or "CARE" training programs that teach how to recognize those systems and how to cut off the patrons. There is way too much liability out there to take a chance of having someone leave your bar plastered.

"Hotel Do Right".

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