We are a part of The Arab-Israeli conflict

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You better know a little about it. Please view this 5 minute history lesson.

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And please watch this as well:
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Submitted by bowser on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 1:34pm.

The basic facts of the situation can be spun and "contextualized" many ways. I'm sure if you broaden your horizons a bit and look for information rather than confirmation, you will find some that offer a different view from David Horowitz's.

In any case, it seems that the one unavoidable conclusion is that the west’s efforts to control shape and mold the middle east since the end of WWI have pretty much been a dismal failure. By this conservative group’s own spin, its clear we have neither created peaceful stability for Israel nor led the Arabs into a new era of western-style enlightenment. Trying to do so has, however, cost us trillions of tax dollars and thousands of lives over the past several decades. It’s also put as at odds with one of the most powerful forces on Earth – far, far more powerful than radical islam ever hoped to be. That is: human nature. I don’t care what religion they are, people just don’t cotton to folks from halfway around the world coming around telling them what to do and how to live. Every empire in history has run into that inconvenient truth (sorry, Al) sooner or later. Put North America in the same set of circumstances – decades of meddling and semi-colonial rule by overseas powers -- and you better believe you’d have factions of various stripes, including Christian, running around creating mayhem and teaching children how to martyr themselves, as well as hatching plans to strike back at the oppressors.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 7:27pm.

I pretty much new most of that. But to see it laid out like that is chilling.


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 8:03am.

Is some of them thar muslimistics and jewish types kinda lik our mafia and street gangs. Maybe some what lik mormansitics, or holy rollers, or snake handlers? Maybe even voodooistics?
May be some are like our wall stret thieves and madison avenue visionairies?
Do they have their robber barons like we do?
Do they kill a lot of people like Texas and Virgibnia?
Are some of their citiess like san francisco?
Does south atlanta and phillie compar to say, Damascus?
Wish we had sum of their kind!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 8:10am.

It's a shame to see you drinking so early on a Sunday, or have you been bonging again?

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by wildcat on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 6:09pm.

Several years ago I read both The Haj and Exodus and formed strong opinons. Your slide show validates my opinions. Thank you. I knew those books weren't full of propoganda (as I was, at one time, told by someone). The Arabs are just a weird bunch. They lie, cheat and steal from each other just as much as they do from those outside their group. They've twisted their religion and have made themselves slaves to it. I don't understand it and I guess I probably never will. They are quite scary.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 6:14pm.

with such a broad brush. I wish you could meet many of the Arabs I've worked with. They fly our fighters, our AWACs, tankers. They are Air Traffic Controllers. They feed many of our soldiers. Your words don't serve many of them well.

Kevin "Hack" King

Submitted by wildcat on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 6:33pm.

there are always those who don't fit the stereotype. I have worked with both students, and parents, in the past that are not as I have described in my previous post. I should have noted that and apologize if I've offended anyone. Why, do you suppose that some Arabs have modernized (for lack of a better term) and some remain archaic? Not to keep referring to a book of fiction, but the characters in The Haj that I just KNEW were going to break free, didn't. Their religion and strange codes of conduct prevented them from doing so.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 7:27pm.

I've read several books on the transition of the Muslim world from the leaders of ancient times to the situation that part of the world is in now. I have to beleve that religious beliefs that stifle free expression and thought have rendered the ideas of many great minds born female invisible and, unfortunately, irrelavant. I, personally, cannot understand why a culture would keep the beauty of their women covered so. I don't understand why men would have thier mothers, wives, and daughters eat in rooms separate to men. I cannot understand why females are second class citizens in some muslim countries and cultures. I have to believe that the stifling of these great minds has lead to the lack of... umm.... complete modernization of many of these countries. We have to respect their religious freedom, which makes our ability to effect modernization, I believe, limited. God Bless, and thanks for the posts,

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Mixer on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 6:42pm.

You may find this interesting:
Click Here for an article on 'Honor Killings'

"In countries where Islam is practiced, they're called honor killings, but dowry deaths and so-called crimes of passion have a similar dynamic in that the women are killed by male family members and the crimes are perceived as excusable or understandable," said Widney Brown, advocacy director for Human Rights Watch.

If WWII had been covered by the Modern Media: Great Video

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 7:30pm.

and it's tragic. Women can seem so powerless without the protection of a cultural, government, or social entity.

Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 5:59pm.

I have to agree--to the point of contemplating a career change. I want to be directly involved in the war on terror. I really do!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 5:05pm.

This might be a hot blog tonight. I guess the underlying spin of both presentations is that we have to go toe to go toe and project our real weaponry strength to cleanse the region. Will it come to this?

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Submitted by Mixer on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 5:29pm.

Look at the attacks we have endured while in Iraq from the left and the anti-war activists.

The press and the left have propagandized this conflict to the point that it will take a MAJOR attack on American soil to remind the Americans (who think that the tragic loss of 4,000 troops in five years of war on this heinous enemy is a 'bloodbath') that we are fighting an enemy that wants to kill MILLIONS of us.

We will not regain the strength and will to fight and persevere unless and until Americans truly have to sacrifice at home after a calamity of biblical proportions. I fear we have become a nation of 'Chamberlains', all criticism and complaints, no guts, no common sense and no real understanding of radical Islam's history, growth or motivation.

People are going to have to learn 'the hard way' that we are not going to be able to run, hide, and make nice.

I guess we could ask the liberal journalist Daniel Pearl - but he lost his head over it - yes - they are dead serious about killing us.

My feeling is that the major press and the political left have defeated America from within by aiding and abetting the enemy in the direction, promotion, and editing of propaganda for the purpose of making Bush, capitalism and America look bad. The President and America's loss is the democrats win. If America and Bush succeed in Iraq, the democrats lose. Ironic isn't it?

By the way, what did you do today that reminded you we are at war? How did you sacrifice? What hardships have we (the masses) endured at home because of this conflict? Remember September, October and November 2001? Do you see the flags and the will and the unity that we had then? Why not? Where has it gone?

If WWII had been covered by the Modern Media: Great Video

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 5:49pm.

I spent some time blogging with you and few others and waiting for IDRIVERSOFAST to chime in. I also chopped down a Bradford pear tree. If we are serious about prosecuting this war than we need to put this country on war time footing just like WWII and kick ass. That decision comes from the top.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 6:17pm.

"Ass" as in donkeys who are reluctant and must, therefore, be kicked. That pear tree never saw it comming; and it never stood a chance!


Kevin "Hack" King

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 07/14/2007 - 9:58pm.

I suspect you know which usage I'm referring to. I hate those trees!!! I wish I never planted them.

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Submitted by Mixer on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 9:25am.

The kicker is, they stink like bad fish. How can something so pretty be such a pain in the rear? If you do tolerate them long enough, they split.

I recommend a nice red-leafed maple.

Do you want to see some current examples of liberal media bias? Click Here.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 07/15/2007 - 12:01pm.

I was a naive fool, no strike that, an idiot from Southern California that didn't know any better. Perhaps we can import the whole ^%$#*^@ lot to Iran as some sort of a secret weapon!!!

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