Fayette CRCT tests: Some trouble spots

Tue, 07/10/2007 - 4:23pm
By: John Thompson

Braelinn, Kedron tops in elementary scores, while Rising Starr leads county’s middle schools

Friday’s release of the individual school scores for the Criterion-Referenced Competency Tests present an interesting overview of the differences at Fayette County’s schools.

The school system sent out a press release Tuesday showing that Fayette leads the state overall with the most students in the “exceeds” category across all grade levels and subject areas.

While Fayette County is traditionally at the top of the state when it comes to number of students passing the tests, the individual school scores show there‘s some work to be done in core subject areas at certain schools.

Third grade is where the science test is first taken, and it shows one of the biggest failure rates. At Fayetteville Elementary, 31 percent failed, while 27 percent flunked at North Fayette and 19 percent at Burch Elementary north of Tyrone.

At Crabapple in Peachtree City, 98.8 percent passed, while 97.7 passed at nearby Kedron.

Science scores in the later grades also show the highest failure rates. At Fayetteville Elementary, 24.4 failed the fourth-grade science test, while 23 percent failed at North Fayette and 21.1 flunked at Burch.

Kedron students led the way with a 98.9 percent pass rate, followed by Crabapple with 98.7.

Sixth-grade science scores had the overall highest rate of failure for any of the tests. At Flat Rock south of Fayetteville, 32 percent failed, while 29.7 failed at Fayette Middle in Fayetteville. Rising Starr, south of Peachtree City, led the way with 91 percent passing the test.

Seventh grade science scores also had the highest failure rate of any of the tests. At Fayette Middle, 27.1 percent failed, and 14.1 percent failed at Flat Rock. Rising Starr had the highest percentage of students passing the test with 93.6 percent.

Eighth grade also showed a high rate of failures. Fayette Middle had 14.2 percent students fail, while 11 percent of Flat Rock failed. At Rising Starr, 95.7 percent passed.

In the first-grade reading tests, 100 percent of the students passed the test at Peeples Elementary, Braelinn, Spring Hill and Brooks.

The worst scores were at East Fayette, where 5.6 percent of the students did not pass; and Crabapple and Burch with a 5 percent failure rate.

Braelinn students also aced the English test with 100 percent passing, while Peeples had 99.1 percent pass and Huddleston saw 98.1 percent of the students pass.

The results dropped dramatically at North Fayette where 15.7 percent failed, along with 13.1 percent of the students at Minter and 12.8 percent of the students at Hood Elementary.

The failure rates for the first grade math portion increased as 16.9 percent of the students at East Fayette failed, while 13.5 flunked at Burch and 11.2 percent of the students failed at Hood Avenue.

Conversely, 99.1 percent passed at Huddleston, 98.4 percent at Braelinn and 98.2 percent at Peeples.

In the second grade tests, the biggest failure rates were for the math test. At North Fayette, 23.4 percent failed, and 10.6 failed the test at Hood Avenue.

All students at Braelinn and Kedron aced the math test.

The other high failure rate was in English language arts where 18.4 percent of North Fayette students failed, along with 14.1 percent at Oak Grove.

All Braelinn students passed the test, while 97.5 percent passed the test at Kedron.

Third grade saw in increased failure rate across the board. In reading, 16.5 percent failed at Fayetteville Elementary, while 15.9 percent and 14.4 of the students failed at North Fayette and Burch, respectively.

All students at Tyrone and Kedron passed the reading test.

In English, 13.9 percent failed at Fayetteville Elementary, while 11.9 percent failed at Burch and 11.1 percent flunked at North Fayette.

All the students passed at Kedron, while 98.5 percent passed at Tyrone.

Students in third, fifth and eight grade must pass the reading and math portions to advance to the next grade.

School system spokesperson Melinda-Berry Dreisbach said more than 400 students took the retest at the end of June and are waiting for the results. She added that if students fail the retest, the parents and administrators at the school can hold a meeting to determine if it would be best to retain the student.

The tests are used as an indicator of how well students learn the basic skills in the Georgia Performance Standards and the Quality Core Curriculum.

Students in grades first through eighth take the tests in reading, English/language arts and math, while third through eighth grade students take additional tests in science and social studies.

“We are very pleased with these scores. Our future goal is to continue to provide the best instruction possible in order to help all of our students exceed requirements in the future,” says Superintendent John DeCotis.

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Submitted by boxwing on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 11:21am.

This validates something I have been hearing from parents and teachers in the Fayette school system: kids comming in from the Clayton County school system are very poorly educated and most need remedial work to get up to the standard of kids that started in the Fayette system. Remember that the Clayton system is so bad that it lost its accreditation a while back. The education and discipline in that system is terrible, so when those parents move to Fayette to get a better system, the kids come in well behind their peers. The schools with lower pass rates are precisely those districts where former Claytonites are moving in.

What can be done about this? Not much I'm afraid. I do hear that once these kids are in our system for 3-4 years that they do start to catch up a bit educationally. So we'll be forced to speand more resources on the schools in those districts to help bring these kids up quicker.

But can the legacy Fayette kids still get a good education in these schools? I hear "yes" since the teachers and staff are mostly the same as when these schools had much better test scores several years ago. It just requires more involvement of the parents to insure that your child is getting the right classes and to provide the necessary home support. So don't run for the hills quite yet.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 11:45am.

First off, Clayton didn't lose their accreditation, they were on probation, second it wasn't because of the schools performance but because of the school board meddling in the everyday operations of the system. We came here 5 years ago from Clayton and I was worried that my kid might be behind the other kids, but she hit the ground running and has never slowed down. The education is there if the kids or parents want it, it's up to the parents to insist their kids learn. The teachers can teach but only the parents can make the kids learn.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 5:28pm.

The Hutch's are going to be an asset at FCHS! It's sad there aren't more parents like you.

I worked in a Fulton Co. elementary school office for years. Some of the parents were unbelievable. The last years I worked there we had at least one child sitting in the office all day. Parents refused to discipline them, teachers couldn't teach. I finally had enough and left.

Parents need to make sure their child does the work, and behaves.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 8:48pm.

I forgot that you worked in Fulton Co for years. Where at. My bride retired from there last year. We've kind of had that conversation before. Gee....you guys might know each other.

By chance in South Fulton?

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 9:40pm.

Wow, it was South Fulton! I left in '83. There were some great teachers there!
(that was probably before your wife's time)

Tug Smiling


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 4:16am.

Where are the students from those great teachers?
Were they great people or great teachers? A big difference.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 8:57am.

Dollar, why do you want to know? Smiling


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 9:51pm.

Was it the old Union City Elementary school? 83 wasn't quite before her time.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 10:03pm.

No, it wasn't. Dang, I'm disappointed! Sad
I wish I knew your bride.

Tug Smiling


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 10:10pm.

You'd like her Tug. Everyone loves my bride. Wish everyone loved her hubby as much! Smiling
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Submitted by swmbo on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 1:30pm.

Are you kiddin'?! You're a great asset to the blogs (even if you do suffer from lawyer paranoia). Laughing out loud

Glad you're not leaving us.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 8:53am.

I'm sure I would like your bride. I'll just bet that everyone loves Git too. Smiling

I WILL vote for you BUT you gotta get rid of that muscle man!

Tug Smiling


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 10:24pm.

Glad to see that you're back!

Good "police" work, too! Laughing out loud

I think that a lot of people like you, probably more than you know. But, if not, re-read Walter Williams' column "Do people care?" It will make you feel better. Smiling


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 10:33pm.

Sooooo..... We have a mutual friend eh? One besides Basmati Gollum.

Hope you like the Barry White tribute.

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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 1:37am.

Basmati Gollum singing to himself . . . Laughing out loud

It's mental pictures like that (and the Dung Beetle rolling right along) that help me not to let hate-filled people shake me up too much. Smiling

What do I hear about your being the next D.A.? Smiling

You'll get my vote! I know that you're not soft on crime!

A mutual friend? That's not possible because I don't have any (according to Most Angry & Viciously Vulgar)! Sad

If he's lurking, this will be more than he can bear, and he'll never be able to restrain himself from one of his many names and pictures. I do have a lot of fun, for a cockroach and a ghoul and . . . . Laughing out loud

Glad you're still around.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 5:37pm.

Thank you very much, the hutchette makes it very easy. the band director at FMS last year showed how much band does for the kids by asking the kids to stand up at a concert if they were on the honor roll, most of them stood up.

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Submitted by Mixer on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 2:41pm.

What you have exposed is yet another part of the 'stand back and wait on someone else to do it' mentality.

Add this one: Make the kids behave- YOUR kids. Support the schools in discipline. When I was in school, if they told my mother that I turned in to a monkey and stole bananas from the lunchroom, my mom would beat my fanny for turning in to a monkey and stealing bananas. I remember one time saying "the teacher picks on me", and I got a spanking. My mom said I needed to either become invisible in class or make it so that the teacher picked on someone else.

The same people that want someone else to raise and supervise their kids are the ones who will complain the most because they 'didn't do it right'. The 'coupe de grais' is that they will then complain like heck and move and low and behold, the problem is there too!

If you want old school results, you better have some old school in how you raise your kids!

You tell 'em you ole' squid you.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 3:16pm.

I turn 50 this year, don't say dead and buddy in the same sentence.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 5:38pm.

hutch, 50 is NOT old! Smiling


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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 5:41pm.

It was when I was 20. Now not so much.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 11:51am.

Hutch - you hit the nail on the head. Education requires parents, teachers and, a learning environment.


Submitted by Time is Brain on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 6:51am.

I will not be sending my kids into the middle of Fayetteville to Bennett's Mill to mix with a culture of low test scores. Looks like I will be under another tax. PTC tax, Fayette County tax & a tax in the form of having to send my kids to a private school. I guess that I'll pay now versus paying later for my choice.

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Submitted by chippie on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 4:47pm.

I guess you're lucky to be able to afford private school for your kids. But, don't think private schools don't have problems, and you're paying for your children to be in that environment.

Public and private education is chockful of problems, some are different, but some are the same.

If you're insinuating what it sounds like to me, the "cultures" you're referring to won't be a huge percentage in Bennett's Mill - they'll stay in Fayette Middle.


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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 07/12/2007 - 9:31am.

You are exactly right. I have been involved in public schools, and private. Neither of them were problem free.

Tug Smiling


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Submitted by Gump on Tue, 07/10/2007 - 8:01pm.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution has all the scores listed on their website. (Warning: there are a LOT of schools to scroll through!) The following link will show Fayette MIDDLE School got the 14.2% failure rate, and it was in 7th grade reading, not 8th. I haven't checked all the other numbers, as it is tedious, but you could check your particular school easily enough.

Link: Fayette CRCT scores at AJC.com
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Submitted by sherwood on Tue, 07/10/2007 - 7:15pm.

I wonder... are some of those comparisons to Fayetteville Elementary that deal with 7th and 8th grade scores supposed to be Fayette Middle School instead?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 07/10/2007 - 5:32pm.

I would think a quick glance at the demographics for the schools in question would tell the tale pretty quickly on this one. It's not rocket science. People can hide behind it all they want, but until folks face facts and come up with answers, the problem will continue to perpetuate itself.

Submitted by wildcat on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 8:13am.

validates your comment, but I believe that this problem is based on the askewness of priorities. Thirteen years ago I would have written that this type scenario is influenced by income, but I don't feel that way anymore. Over the years I have witnessed that it is what you want, what your parents want for you and how hard you're willing to work for it. That is something that can be changed, but how? Consider the role models that most of these kids have...sports figures that break the law and get away with it. So where, and how, do we start?

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 9:16am.

Bill Cosby tried to get folks listening, but he couldn't get any traction in "his" community. If he can't, I'm not sure who can.

I truly feel that Fayette is blessed with some of the best minority Citizens in the State. They moved here for the same reason I moved here from Henry County. I wanted a better place to raise my Child. I think we need input from this segment of the population. It seems the schools that are heavier minority students are the ones showing problems. If I'm wrong, let me know.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 9:52am.

I truly feel that Fayette is blessed with some of the best minority Citizens in the State. They moved here for the same reason I moved here from Henry County.

The challenge is keeping the white & black trash in check... or keep them out for good.

The minority that concerns me is that Wart Hog pilot buzzing around Fayette County in his lawn chair dropping water ballons on the rest of us. Once an air warrior..... always an air warrior. Smiling

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 07/11/2007 - 9:56am.

All you have to do to stop the Air Force is reverse the up and down arrows and then they can't get off the ground.

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