Tarps displaced by pranksters

Thu, 07/05/2007 - 10:01am
By: John Thompson

Tarp prank

Several citizens decided to set out their tarps late Tuesday evening in Peachtree City for the annual fireworks show Wednesday night. But when the residents arrived, many of the tarps had been packed under the golf cart bridge at Battery Way Park by a prankster. The residents' coveted spots were gone, and many had to scramble for another viewing location.

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Submitted by ole sarge on Sun, 07/08/2007 - 9:19am.

I see the "pranksters" response as upholding the grand old American tratition of responding to tyrany and injustice.

Think back to December 16, 1773. Remember how the people of Boston reacted to a proposed tax on tea.

I salute the "pranksters" as patriots of PTC.

Submitted by Terriers88 on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 5:41pm.

As I drove around town that evening, I noticed actually very few people on their tarps and blankets until after 7:30PM. Therefore, the conclusion that you don't need to claim your spot until a few hours before the event has plenty of merit. My hats off to whomever did that. Maybe next year, the blankets, chairs etc..could be donated to a homeless shelter.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 6:16pm.

Why would they sit on the tarp they put there the day before for hours the day of the 4th? The spot is reserved! They think.
They do not want to stay there very long before the fireworks (no one does) and they also do not want to compete for the best spots the afternoon of the fireworks.
It is the same thing as "jumping" a line due to who you are.
You know like Queen Elizabeth and family get escorted to a covered and windowed spot?
Or, GWB.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 4:00pm.

Maybe the city workers did it.
This is so funny. Smiling


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 4:32pm.

How many license plates were from Fayette... As we drove our cart up the path, we were surprised by the low number of carts. In years past, the congestion on the cart path was severe at best. This year’s cart traffic was minimal at best. I decided to walk around and noticed that most of the vehicles parked on the side of the road leading to the lake were lined with cars, most not bearing the Fayette county sticker. Am I to assume that we should now just show up at 4PM-9PM and expect to view the event? Lets ban tarps and require anybody to attend an event occupy the space required. No chairs etc.

The manner in which you argue against holding space, maybe we should look at our cousins to the north where they arrive a day in advance and camp 24-48hrs ahead of the event. That would be a better alternative? All I have heard here is what was done makes you feel good, not a solution. Nice to see that you get enjoyment from others misfortunes (read sarcasm), but not one solution has been proposed.

This thread has denigrated into nothing more that a gripe-fest. As highlighted, the concern was to alleviate issues with crowding and the grass. A lot of people did forgo the tarps for something more eco-aware but then that is not what you wanted to focus. In my experience, comments as have been put forth belies your true nature, one of taking joy in seeing others not get anything better than yourselves. Do you see satisfaction when Delta had its scare and you were employed somewhere else? Hoping to capitalize on some possible windfall not normally afforded to you?

Either all rules apply to everybody equally or to nobody equally.

I alluded to a lot of “out-of-towners” at the event, possibly in this thread also, but I feel that if they placed their “Tarp” (stake or what ever), they should also get to see what we have to offer besides “Back-woods Justice”.

Next time you have someone run into church to save you room in the pew for your family during a special event, remember your comments here. I have never seen so much venom and hostility in a discussion where politics were not involved.

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 8:08pm.

Maybe we should go back to the old days where each family owned their own church pew and sat in it every Sunday.
That way one could get there thirty seconds before the service and have a sure seat.
I'm not sure how they managed to get new members if the pews were all sold, I suppose one simply had to wait for someone to die who had no extended relatives and the list wasn't too long.
I also liked some of the old ways better where each family "raised" their own minister and their own doctor, or hired one of each, full time, and never had to go or wait!
It also eliminates the venom and hostility!

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 7:49pm.

I live in Fayette County and all I saw at the fireworks were golfcarts thinking they owned the public roads that cars can drive on. It does not surprise me you did not see them on the golf cart path, they were all on the road and since I don't have a golf cart I could not even drive because of all of the rude drivers. We are the land of the free does that mean that someone from another county can not come and see the fireworks. I would call Fayette the land of the Snobs if all someone has to do is to check out tags. That is sick. Why would anyone want to live in a town with nothing to do but check out tags on cars, how boring. I'm more concerned of how these parents are teaching their kids to be rude because you are in a golf cart. Don't blame kids when they grow up and act like their parents, by being rude.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Sat, 07/07/2007 - 7:28pm.

Get a grip man.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 10:37pm.

There is no free lunch in life bpr. The PTC taxpayers paid 70,000 large for this little show. We can't afford firefighters or cops, but by god we have fireworks. Fayette county needs to have there own fireworks or contribute to ours.

The people who put out their tarps early should have had people in place to save them. Turn it into a party. You could have had people coming and going all night long. Sleep in shifts. Take turns holding your place.

I still say the best spots should be roped off for city residents only. We are paying some serious jack for this little show, we should be able to enjoy it.

As for your snipping about how snotty, or snobby, PTC people are.... don't use our city amenities anymore. Go somewhere else where they like freeloaders.

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Submitted by BPR on Sat, 07/07/2007 - 2:24am.

Do you have your own PTC tags already? Like it or not your still Fayette county. You brag about how much the fireworks cost, while people there live a life that is not real. You think that you own the world, well you don't, and the truth be known you are in debt up to your nose but prefer to look down on others. Don't parents there care what they are teaching their children. Sorry, but I can drive on your streets anytime I choose in PTC, because I thank God I live in the land of the free, it's sad some of us don't think we do, we have our own little group that can treat anyone like they are on our pavement we bought and in the process it's your kids that are going to pay the price by your attitude. We always reap what we sow and it looks like PTC is already doing that, all you do is fight, who would like to live in your little community that. It has to grow because you can't stop it and freeloaders like your own county and others can drive on what you think is your pavement- you don't own the world, you can't afford it. You only have time to see what county by the tags that go by there during the day- please get a life- it's a good one if you will let it be.


Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 07/07/2007 - 5:58am.

I was not talking about streets or roads. When I say amenities I'm talking about sports facilities, cart paths, fireworks etc.
If we are so horrible then don't come here. I don't think anyone here thinks they "own the world".
Our city taxes go up every year to pay for all of this. City taxes NOT COUNTY. So I still say city residents should get the best spot for viewing the fireworks. We should get something for our tax dollar.

You are right about the fact that many people who live here are deep in debt. They buy homes they can't afford(I say this only because of the number of homes in foreclosure right now) They do all of these crazy things because they think this city will raise their kids for them or make their job as parents easier.

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Submitted by BPR on Sat, 07/07/2007 - 3:26pm.

I am talking about the roads in PTC. Because I choose not to own a golf cart, I could hardly get on the public street on the 4th of July night. You may not think you own the world but you think you own PTC. I don't care where people view fireworks that's not the issue, and don't you vote for you city taxes for the disneyland you live in, so you can't complain. I'm saying what are you teaching your kids when golf carts almost running over people at a 4th of July firework display, I don't know how many people (adults and kids) did this. I guess parents don't have time to supervise their kids in PTC. Then they wonder what is wrong with their disneyland. One day PTC will be so big the disneyland will not be able to have golf carts to run over people, there will be too many cars on the road.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Sat, 07/07/2007 - 7:30pm.

Stay the you know what out of PTC if it's that miserable.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 07/07/2007 - 4:04pm.

I think I finally understand your vent. To answer your question:

You are correct, the parents here do not seem to care about what values or morals they are teaching their kids.

Most of the people driving on the 4th were drinking, which explains the running into cars.

PTC has fallen far away from being "disneyland"

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 8:15pm.

Your subject above: Why Can't People From PTC Come To See Fireworks" confuses me.
If they don't come how do they fill the highways with golf carts?
As to the rude cart drivers, I hope you never have to come to a show at the PTC amphitheater! People with bad hearts should not walk, drive a cart, or drive to one of those. Not only are they drunk but they aren't afraid of each other (the cars, the carts, and the walkers.)
But it is like a NASCAR race ending----not very many ever get fully killed.

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 8:59pm.

We're the land of the free why can't people from other counties come and see the fireworks in PTC. Everyone knows PTC is rude, it's known for that, and that is a shame.I choose not to go to the amphitheater maybe because I don't get drunk. My question is what are we teaching our youth- it's okay to do these things: if you say yes, I feel sorry for you.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Sat, 07/07/2007 - 7:32pm.

Seems to me you're the rude one on here.

I had folks from 3 counties at my house, we all had a ball. We also walked/carted to the fireworks right down the street. No rudeness seen, and none talked about by my crew. Only about 25 folks. Sorry you had a rough evening, but I don't get coming here and complaining about it.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 3:39pm.

I am very amused and entertained by the The Great Tarp Caper. The photo by John Thompson shows a pristine lake park scene with a large number of tarps neatly stowed under the bridge. It is wonderful. Was this a prank by kids? I say it was a great clean-up effort. It took a lot more effort than a typical vandal would exert. They dragged all the offending tarps up, dragged them over and rolled them up and stowed them neatly. I would imagine they worked up a good sweat. My vote is that it was good neighbors that did this, whether they be kids or adults (or both). What incredible selfishness for people making this park, during a holiday, look like a Katrina relief area, all so you can get a prime spot for 30 minutes of fireworks. Peachtree City, “the fault lies within”.


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Submitted by Mixer on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 3:21pm.

Try showing up after 4pm on July 4th next year.

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 8:22pm.

But do I have to stay with my tarp and defend it until dark?
The whole thing has become ridiculous and dangerous.
Why not have it in a pasture field somewhere and require the crowd to walk at least five miles to get where it could be seen?
That crowd could be handled.
Or, maybe not. Would people scout out the area on the second and third of July, stake down hungry pit bulls, and bury IED bombs?
Or, to put a stop to it and save the 40,000 dollars, require the fire crackers to be USA made. Nobody would spend 100,000 dollars surely to hear bright explosions. Some of our returned vets may leave town as it is!

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 3:13pm.

I'm sorry, but I find that this tradition of laying out your tarps without remaining there, is a bit selfish and egocentric. I've enjoyed the fireworks for many years, and I've desired a place to watch at the docks. The way the water reflects the lights is remarkable. However, I'm not ready to go out there and sit my tush on a tarp for 10 hours straight and I'm certainly not going to set up a tarp and leave it there, only to then sneak in at the last minute to enjoy the show.

So, if the tradition of laying out tarps remains, I hope this non-violent, non-threatening tradition of removing the tarps remains as well.

I'm reminded of being in grammar school when the lunch bell rang. I walked, did not run to the cafeteria and stood in line waiting to have my lunch. After standing there for God knows how long I'm finally approaching the serving station and spying what appears to be the very last piece of pepperoni pizza. Man I can hardly wait to get the last piece, when all of a sudden someone that was lollygaggin' comes in and takes the last slice of pizza from the lunch lady because their "spot" had been "saved" by another person. . . . I hate line cutters. I had to settle for the corn beef hash, argh!

But that was in grammar school. I just thought adults would behave a bit more courteously to others.

So instead of laying out a tarp, I just enjoy my family and have a cook out, and then take them to a location where we can watch the show, without having to lay claim to some small piece of public property to the detriment of many others who had to stand behind a tree because my Tarp gave me property rights.

Come to think of it, when I did real estate years ago, I heard of Life Estates, and Tenants in Common as rights respected under our laws, but I've never seen a deed that said "Tarp Estates".

Perhaps to raise revenue, instead of taxing the homeowners to death, we should have an auction every year raising money for spots at the docks. Then those that get the prime real estate that they prize so very much, can enjoy it, knowing they have the force of law to protect their rights, and I, will have a lower tax bill.

Thats my humble opinion, now begin the cursing...


Submitted by Concerned Party on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 2:10pm.

I guess we don't agree that putting out a tarp is "planning ahead". It think that is where the selfishness is. Why should someone be able to put out a tarp for a full day to reserve a spot? It is public property, it should be open to whomever gets there and stays. It appears that the tarp laying is getting earlier and earlier each year. Now it's 24 hours early, a few years from now will it be 2-3 days early? At what point do you say enough is enough? Is not laying out a tarp a form of littering? It should not be there, and therefore I think the police and public works should pick them all up. By the way, egg throwing is littering also, you should be issued a fine for that too.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 5:05pm.

I agree with you, but they are DELTA, you know?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 8:31pm.

God has nothing to do with Delta, otherwise he would have given the pilots much bigger raises over the years and not let the company go bankrupt!
Their input into the community gives them the same rights as anyone else here. No more.
That is the attitude everyone except some Delta people, discuss.
Many here owned old Delta stock. Want to pay for that?

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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 8:15am.

So it must be all the Delta people who dont wait at 4-ways and lay down tarps. Lets have delta go under and see where we are. The town will be much better off.

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Submitted by oodlesOpoodles on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 3:54pm.

I was in my golf car at 8:45 A.M. on the 3rd when I traveled through Battery Way Park at the boat docks. The fireworks were set for 9:30 P.M. on the 4th. That is over 36 hours in advance.

When I drove through, there were 21 "spots" already claimed by tarp/blanket or twine/stake methode. I counted, because I actually thought it was funny how some were trying to even lay claim to the benches.

This is just to much. I say since we start the parade with a volley of fire from muskets, that we end the parade in the same way. When the ending volley is sounded, an Oklahoma Sooner style land rush can ensue.


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Submitted by Mixer on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 3:40pm.

Well said. This is certainly not vandalism and the 'squatters' got what they deserved. Maybe next year they will just spray them with WD-40 Eye-wink

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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 1:52pm.

I loved the way that people respected the tradition of planning your viewing and not being selfish to decide show up late, move someone's placement. I guess those days are gone. Pretty soon the idea of letting the appropriate person go at a 4 way stop will be next, who has the biggest vehicle...

While I tend to shy away from Generalizations, it appears that they are running rampant in this thread.

Please let us know who you are, there are some kids that need to identify cars for this years Halloween Car Egging.

Remember these kids who egg your cars are heroes, just doing their civic duties. If you are so proud and feel that you should have participated, as stated earlier, identify yourselves, I am sure there are eggs waiting for you (address and car make/model should be enough). Otherwise your just bags of hot air hiding behind the anonimity of public blogs. Hey Concerned :"I fully support pulling up the tarps, do it again next year. I'll join you!" Stop Hiding.....

As one poster identified, "I was going to pull up tarps on Peachtree Parkway the night before the parade, but got tired and went to bed". Why do it under the cover of night? Let your neighbors know who you are and do it proudly in the middle of the day? Make it public knowledge so we know who you. Invite the press so you are properly acknowledged in the press. It is usually thieves and the like who like the cover of darkness.

When I explained to my co-workers that people respected others placement of viewing, they could not believe that something like that could occur. For in their city (North Atlanta), they don’t care, the people are too aggressive to afford that civility. I guess we are fast approaching that mentality. This is sad.

Entitlement - no, respect of someones ability to plan ahead, reason, attend a parade etc. and still ensure a decent viewing of the fireworks. It will be a sad day when we start acting more like the aggressive "What's in it for me" people than respect our town neighbors.

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Submitted by TinCan on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 5:43pm.

I am continually amazed at the audacity of people who think they have some special domain over public property by laying claim any time prior to settling down for an event. If you’re not there you don’t have control, ownership, priority or anything else over the plot. Congratulations midnight tarper(s) and thanks for your civic contribution.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 5:03pm.

I think you are confused!
The people who reserve a space by staking out ground the day before are the same people who won't take turns at a four-way stop!
And what is this about out of town watchers not being welcome? Don't you ever go anywhere else to see anything? Or is that YOU?
I've got an idea: sell spaces ahead of time for $100 to purchase the firecrackers!

Submitted by Concerned Party on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 1:29pm.

I agree that it was likely not kids doing a prank, but someone like me. I am about 40 and I was going to pull up tarps on Peachtree Parkway the night before the parade, but got tired and went to bed. I don't think you should be able to put out a tarp early. If you want a good spot, then get there and stay there! If I ever go to view something and I see a tarp, I consider someone left it on public property and I have the same right to move it as they do to leave it! It looks like trash and the city should not allow people to leave trash on public property. I fully support pulling up the tarps, do it again next year. I'll join you!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:59pm.

When the article in the Citizen passed on the word for PTC people or any others to "please" not stake out territory to watch the fireworks, but indicated there would be no pickup by the town and no penalty, I said then all that would do (for those who knew--everyone doesn't read this paper)was to make those "special" people stake out their space even earlier. That is what happened.

The town should have collected all the tarps about noon and donated them to the Salvation Army.

I too think this thing is actually funny and wish I had the nerve anymore to do it. When I was very young we would have done it!

Some people do not understand just who they are and will be some of the first ones now to want the "crime" solved.

These are the same ignorant and selfish people who will get in front of you at a parade and stand so that you can't see, and stand at the Amphitheater through most of the show so that you can't see, or hear, for all the drunken noise they make. Their kids learn early!

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Submitted by cowtipn on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:55pm.

They're heroes.


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Submitted by nuk on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 2:26pm.

I have been tempted to do that in the past and I'm glad someone had the guts to do it. The way the boneheads in PTC were getting, there would have been tarps laid-out a week before the fireworks before long

It's a shame because it wasn't always like this or with that many people tarping the park.

NUK


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:27pm.

I was disappointed that many citizens refused to follow a simple request about not putting tarps on the grass at the park. I think it served them right to have them taken up. Anything put down before around noon on the 4th should have been removed.

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Submitted by savethevinyl on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 7:50pm.

By following a simple request, I was able to get "primo" spot at 3:30 pm. I suggest that all tarps and blankets be removed prior to 3 pm as requested. This way there is no middle ground.


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Submitted by HandleThis on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:22pm.

Don't automatically assume it was "kids being kids" that were being out late...It coulda been an adult that wanted to have a little fun at the expense of people like you!


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:29pm.

Then I pray that someone spray paints your car or Toilet papers your house(or trailer), they you can reflect on the "Harmless" activities of people.

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Submitted by TonyF on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:11pm.

The perp went to some lengths not to hide the tarps, just to have a little fun at the expense of some oversensitive, entitlement issue having soccer moms(and cheerleader dads). Could be your next mayor. Way to go whoever you are, I wish I had thought of this.

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Submitted by HandleThis on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 11:57am.

Im sure the PTCPD is gonna put a new detective on the case. They might even have them work in shifts to solve this mystery. Give me a break, why would they (the PD) spend any amount of time to find the people responsible for this? And if they do, what are they going to charge them with, "Tampering with the tarps of the citizens who wouldn't listen"? I don't think so. Usually I discourage this type of activity, but this time, kudos to the "Prankster", wherever and whoever you are! I would have loved to seen the peoples faces when they returned to the park to find their precious tarps missing from the coveted spots that they had staked out.


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:10pm.

It was not only the tarps, people (Like me and my family) who read and followed the PTC Parks request and used stakes and twine to ensure the grass was not destroyed was removed also.

Those who think this is funny or "Kids being Kids" have to wonder what were they doing out that late anyway? What would they have done if the tarps were not available to be removed?

I disagree, this falls in the same line as spray painting your car with water-based paint. Funny for those not involved.

As to the parks department making the request, I feel the 11th hour statement tends to show how much planning our parks department puts forth for our city.

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Submitted by intheknow on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 1:26pm.

As a fairly long time resident, I think those who performed this civic duty are heroes. There has been way too much arrogance on the part of so many for so long, and "staking their claim" on city property is just one of the many ways arrogance is displayed in Peachtree City. And I don’t know where this arrogant poster obtained their false information on stakes & twine vs. tarps / blankets – it’s all the same, either way it’s still arrogance and an ignorant act.

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Submitted by oodlesOpoodles on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 1:03pm.

There was no 11th hour request. It has been batted around for years, and this year finally put out there officially.

Also, I do not believe it said use twine and stakes. I believe it was a request not to go saving spots. Yes, the twine and stakes may be better off for the grass and such which was cited as "ONE" of the reasons.


Submitted by dc on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 11:42am.

The pranksters responsible should not have done this.

However, the tarps should not have been there to begin with.

The city asked that there be no "stakeout" of these prime viewing locations prior to the 4th. For more info, please see:

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/18063

We have lived in this wonderful town for 20 years and count many of our citizens friends. There are two attitudes we see periodically play out in the public discussions and behavior:

1) Quick, now that I'm here, raise the drawbridge and keep others out
2) The rules are for others

Thankfully, these attitudes are the exception, not the norm. I was, however, struck as we passed by this area Tuesday afternoon just how many of our neighbors were ignoring the request of the city (almost applying #2 above, in their actions).

I'm sure many that placed their tarps out have been doing so for many years and wish to continue to do so. I'm sorry their plans were disrupted. I hope the city can find the pranksters as well as an agreeable way to avoid this problem in the future.

DC

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 6:04am.

No crime was commited here unless it was littering by those who left their tarps on city property - same city that put the word out not to do that. Now those "special" people who deserve a better spot than the rest of us have given the city traction to crack down even more next year. More rules, more government - thanks you special people.

And the pranksters? Good for you! I for one will join you and will gather up the first 10 I see next year and take them to the churchstore )so you special people can buy them back and donate to charity at the same time.

Tarp redistribution - a truly Democratic idea.
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Submitted by grendlemom on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 11:57am.

now, you got to admit, this is funny! No one was hurt, nothing destroyed, except perhaps the egos of those who thought they could work around the rules by staking out places. I think it's quite funny and say good going to the pranksters. It's a hoot!

Submitted by lj57 on Fri, 07/06/2007 - 8:54am.

Just put up gate's at the city limits on July 4th. Charge everyone not from PTC $100 to enter,if it's before noon check for tarps. I love living here,BUT this is the funniest topic in awhile.

Submitted by dawb on Thu, 07/05/2007 - 12:41pm.

They gathered them up; didn't burn or steal.
Don't think it was pranksters. Probably your good neighbors.
Get a life.

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