the students on the school bus were BOTH underage therefore this law did not apply. Once again a minority blames the system for their misdeeds! GROW UP!

My understanding of the new state law is that if the age difference is 3 years or less it's now a misdemeanor (if the sex is consensual) - any confirmation of this? If not I will look it up tomorrow when I return to work and let you know

- YEA! Work....good to be back!

If WWII had been covered by the Modern Media: Great Video

Ga Code Sec. 16-6-4 (d)(2)(b) says, a person convicted of the offense of aggravated child molestation when the person convicted is 18 years of age or younger and is no more than four years older than the victim is guilty of a misdemeanor.

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Look for Judicial Activism with SWMBO Hunstein leading the way.

The Supreme Court of Georgia is more worried about the Editorial Board of the New York Times than they are the law in Georgia. The judge's sentence of Genarlow was perfectly legal, within all guidelines and there is absolutely no basis to modify. But watch 'em do it.

They will invent law just like the US Supremes did with Roe v. Wade. And away we go.

Look for Judicial Activism with SWMBO Hunstein leading the way.

To be honest, I can't predict how Hunstein will rule on this but, she's no friend of the convicted in the majority of her cases. So, I'm leaning toward her voting (recall that she is one of several votes on the court) to overturn the lower court decision to set him free.

And as for me, wow, you have the wrong assumption about me. As far as I'm concerned, the luck of the draw is what it is. The courts didn't set bootleggers free after prohibition was repealed. Why would the court set Wilson free now? He might be appropriate for a pardon from the governor and it would be within the governor's powers to do so. But the court can only overturn a trial court's misapplication of the law. There is no evidence that the trial court misapplied the law to the facts of that case. As a legal matter, he should stay in jail and, as a legal matter, Thurbert Baker is absolutely right to appeal.

And on a personal level, what kind of filth did his parents or guardians allow him to access on cable tv, in rap music and adult media, that he would even think about doing that on film at 17?!! Yet another case where the adults in a young person's life failed him and want to make the legal system change to assuage their guilty consciences.

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Thank the Almighty that we in America live by the Rule of Law and not the Whimsy of Basmati. Basmati would hand out condoms to elementary school children and share with them a video tape of Bill Clinton explaining to the youngsters why oral sex is not sex and why not fully inhaling pot really isn’t drug use.

The reason why it was a felony was because of the law’s prohibition on sodomy. Sorry, Basmati, you and the Bolsheviks lost the public policy argument on that one.

I for one trust the judge the first time around. He was there. He saw the case. He saw the maggot’s record. Let the sentence stand.

This law was so incredibly stupid it's no wonder that it was eventually modified. I hope that Purdue does the right thing and lets the poor bast*** out. I don't care what your party affiliation is, no person with any heart could ever consider this a fair punishment. Going to prison with hardened murderers, rapists and serial killers for 10 years due to consensual youthful indiscretions is very very sad.

-reserved for something more clever to say

Purdue release him! You must be from Connecticut.
Purdue got 16 minority votes in last election and he has already given those 16 a job.

Have you read Basmati's "sex ed" conversation with an 11-year-old girl in his post "Muddled Message"?

"Let me give you an example of the effectiveness of 'abstinence only' education: I recently was talking to a very upset sixth grade girl. She was trying her best to keep her composure, but broke down sobbing in tears. What's the matter, I asked gently. She was panicking about her divorced mother 'Mom...Mom has AIDS!' Oh dear Lord, how horrible! I replied. When did you find out, sweetie? 'Just last weekend, I heard a noise downstairs and when I went to the top of the stairs I saw my Mom having sex with her boyfriend!' Wait a minute, I said, how does this mean she has AIDS? She gave me a withering scornful look and said calmly and slowly "She's...NOT....MARRIED!"

That poor kid had it drummed into her head that 'sex outside of marriage = AIDS.'"

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Does this "story" ever raise quite a few questions!

Was this 11-year-old girl a stranger? Basmati in no way indicates that she's family.

How did Bas just happen to be around when this girl was so upset?

Why was a young girl so comfortable talking with a male about this subject? Perhaps Bas is a really good listener?

Just exactly what did he tell this young girl about "sex outside of marriage"?

Did Bas talk to the girl's mother or father about this?

Did he talk to the school counselor?

Did he try to find out what is really taught at her school? He claims that "comprehensive" sex education is taught in Fayette Co. schools; so why does he want to blame misinformation on abstinence education instructors?

What kind of answer did he give to this "sobbing in tears" "panicking" girl who the next minute is "calm" and "scornful"?

Are these mood extremes indicative of emotional problems?

There might have been a lot more to the girl's story than she was telling, and she needed someone other than Bas as a confidant.

Notice that Bas doesn't seem to be too concerned about the scene that the girl witnessed (or her possible lack of safety from the boyfriend) or her very likely distortion of the information that she'd received in school. He rejoices in having an example to fight abstinence education.

Something just doesn't seem right with this story.

BTW, Basmati is quite knowledgeable about anal sex among teens and supports schools teaching the kind of behavior that Wilson got in trouble for. In one of his posts, he gleefully gloats over an article "New study: 'Evangelical' [emphasis his] girls lose virginity earlier than anyone." This Slate article is a review of a book referred to as "a guide for teenage boys on the prowl."

His preoccupation with these topics is . . . creepy.

If you had a 17 year old son who was involved in such an act, would you agree to the ten years? Or would he, of course, certainly be better than that and deserve much less punishment?

Dollar--- if you and Basmati had 15 year old daughters, you would probably loan her out to Bill Clinton on “Take your Daughter to Work Day.”

The differences between Genarlow and my sons are as follows:

(1) My sons earned appointments to service academies, Genarlow earned an appointment to prison;
(2) My sons, their mother and I all have the same last name (ain’t that a wonder);
(3) My sons would never go near a drunken, fully videotaped orgy filled with misfits like Genarlow since they knew that their future was worth more than a moment of indiscretion like that.

You would probably not let her or her 13 year old sister ride the school bus.

The "activity" that is being discussed here has been happening on Fayette County school busses for the past few years.

Two of my neighbors girls, a senior the other a junior, refused to ride the bus, yes they actually rode the bus rather than drive, to school any longer after they, and several others, witnessed this "activity" on two separate occasions involving two different couples.

The two girls even reported it to the school administration and were told, "I'm sure you misinterpreted what was actually happening." They were also warned not to make such accusations again as they could be found guilty of disrupting normal school activity.

In other words, shut up or we'll suspend you for telling people that this happened on a Fayette County school bus.

A little history is in order.

“The 15 year old girl, who has remained unnamed in the press as a 'victim of a sex offense', has repeatedly stated that the act of oral sex was consensual, though she legally could not consent.”

“The U.S. Supreme Court would decide in Bowers v. Hardwick 478 U.S. 186 that the state of Georgia could make sodomy between consenting adults even in the privacy of one's home a crime. In fact, while unlikely, a husband and wife could conceivably receive as much as 20 years in prison at the time for violating the law.”

See Article

While I’m not trying to promote the idea that teen sex is okay, I think some common sense should be used in this case.

Wasn’t it just a few week ago that “Gardisil” was in the news?

“Beginning in September 2008, girls entering the sixth grade — meaning, generally, girls ages 11 and 12 — will have to receive Gardasil, Merck & Co.’s new vaccine against strains of the human papillomavirus, or HPV.”

If the legislature didn’t think 11 and 12 year olds were having sex, why would they mandate such an extreme measure?

BTW, oral sex doesn’t cause human papillomavirus, or HPV.

This response is not aimed at ilockemup, his blog title was convenient and why not pour a little gas on the file.

A new study released by the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) shows that men and women who reported having six or more oral-sex partners during their lifetime had a nearly nine-fold increased risk of developing oropharyngeal cancer of the tonsils or at the base of the tongue. The link becomes stronger as the numbers of vaginal-sex and oral-sex partners increase.

Researchers found that people with prior evidence of oral HPV were 32 times more likely to get throat cancer than those who do not have HPV, which is transmitted during oral sex.

Oral HPV infection is the leading cause of oropharyngeal (throat, tongue and tonsil) cancer among subjects with or without the established risk factors of tobacco and alcohol use. HPV causes more oropharyngeal cancers than tobacco and alcohol use, according to researchers at Johns Hopkins Kimmel Cancer Center. By comparison, smoking increases the risk of developing throat cancer three-fold and alcohol increases the risk by about 2.5 times. If you engage in oral sex with more than 5 partners, your risk of oral cancer is triple that of a smoker.

These studies are substantiated by a recent study at the Johns Hopkins Oncology Center, confirming that there is a strong link between HPV 16, the particularly aggressive strain of the virus, and oral cancer. Those who tested positive for HPV-16 were 58 times more likely to have throat cancer.

Another study by Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, says that people who have had more than 5 oral-sex partners in their lifetime are 250% more likely to have throat cancer than those who do not have oral sex.

The male condom is ineffective at preventing HPV transmission. HPV infection can occur in both male and female genital areas that are covered or protected by a latex condom, as well as in areas that are not covered, according to the CDC. The CDC advises "a long-term, mutually monogamous relationship" as the safest measure, but reducing the number of sexual partners and choosing a partner less likely to be infected will lessen risk.

See CDC HPV Facts.

HPV isn't the only disease that can be transmitted through oral sex. While condom use has increased over the years, the spread of STDs has likewise continued to rise so much so that the CDC says that STDs have reached epidemic proportions.

"The idea that oral sex is risk-free is not correct. It comes with significant risks, and developing cancer is one of them" said Dr. Robert Haddad, clinical director of the Head and Neck Oncology Program at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute.

And no, I don't condone teenage sex.

As per the NEJM 6+ partners push the odds to 3.4%, I read the study.

Sunlight causes cancer. I don't plan on living underground like some on here.

"Apart from infectious diseases, most illnesses are 'multifactorial'. Cancer is no exception. Multifactorial means that there are many factors involved. In other words, there is no single cause for any one type of cancer."

Odds are, you'll have to calculate the percentages.
Odds of bowling a 300 game: 11,500 to 1
Odds of getting a hole in one: 5,000 to 1
Odds of getting canonized: 20,000,000 to 1
Odds of being an astronaut: 13,200,000 to 1
Odds of Winning an Olympic medal: 662,000 to 1
Odds of an American speaking Cherokee: 15000 to 1
Odds that a person between the age of 18 and 29 does NOT read a newspaper regularly: 3 to 1
Odds that an American adult does not want to live to age 120 under any circumstances: 3 to 2
Odds of injury from fireworks: 19,556 to 1
Odds of injury from shaving: 6,585 to 1
Odds of injury from using a chain saw: 4,464 to 1
Odds of injury from mowing the lawn: 3,623 to 1
Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1
Odds of drowning in a bathtub: 685,000 to 1
Odds of being killed on a 5-mile bus trip: 500,000,000 to 1
Odds of being killed sometime in the next year in any sort of transportation accident: 77 to 1
Odds of being killed in any sort of non-transportation accident: 69 to 1
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1
Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1
Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1
Odds of getting away with murder: 2 to 1
Odds of being the victim of serious crime in your lifetime: 20 to 1
Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1
Odds of being considered possessed by Satan: 7,000 to 1
Odds that a first marriage will survive without separation or divorce for 15 years: 1.3 to 1
Odds that a celebrity marriage will last a lifetime: 3 to 1
Odds of getting hemorrhoids: 25 to 1
Odds of being born a twin in North America: 90 to 1
Odds of being on plane with a drunken pilot: 117 to 1
Odds of being audited by the IRS: 175 to 1
Odds of having your identity stolen: 200 to 1
Odds of dating a millionaire: 215 to 1
Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1
Odds of writing a New York Times best seller: 220 to 1
Odds of finding out your child is a genius: 250 to 1
Odds of catching a ball at a major league ballgame: 563 to 1
Odds of becoming a pro athlete: 22,000 to 1
Odds of finding a four-leaf clover on first try: 10,000 to 1
Odds of a person in the military winning the Medal of Honor: 11,000 to 1
Odds of winning an Academy Award: 11,500 to 1
Odds of striking it rich on Antiques Roadshow: 60,000 to 1
Odds of getting a royal flush in poker on first five cards dealt: 649,740 to 1
Odds of spotting a UFO today: 3,000,000 to 1
Odds of becoming president: 10,000,000 to 1
Odds of winning the California lottery: 13,000,000 to 1
Odds of becoming a saint: 20,000,000 to 1
Odds of a meteor landing on your house: 182,138,880,000,000 to 1
Chance of an American home having at least one container of ice cream in the freezer: 9 in 10.
Chance of dying from any kind of injury during the next year: 1 in 1,820
Chance of dying from intentional self-harm: 1 in 9,380
Chance of dying from an assault: 1 in 16,421
Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666
Chance of dying from accidental drowning: 1 in 79,065
Chance of dying from exposure to smoke, fire, and flames: 1 in 81,524
Chance of dying in an explosion: 1 in 107,787
Chance that Earth will experience a catastrophic collision with an asteroid in the next 100 years: 1 in 5,000
Chance of dying in such a collision: 1 in 20,000
Chance of dying from exposure to forces of nature (heat, cold, lightning, earthquake, flood): 1 in 225,107
Chance of dying in an airplane accident: 1 in 354,319
Chance of dying from choking on food: 1 in 370,035
Chance of dying in a terrorist attack while visiting a foreign country: 1 in 650,000
Chance of dying in a fireworks accident: 1 in 1,000,000
Chance of dying from overexertion, travel or privation: 1 in 1,428,377
Chance of dying from food poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000
Chance of dying from legal execution: 1 in 3,441,325
Chance of dying from contact with hot tap water: 1 in 5,005,564
Chance of dying from parts falling off an airplane: 1 in 10,000,000
Chance of dying from ignition or melting of nightwear: 1 in 30,589,556
Chance of dying from being bitten by a dog: 1 in 700,000
Chance of dying from contact with a venomous animal or plant: 1 in 3,441,325
Chance of dying from being bitten or struck by mammals (other than dogs or humans): 1 in 4,235,477
Chance of dying from a mountain lion attack in California: 1 in 32,000,000
Chance of dying from a shark attack: 1 in 300,000,000
Chance of having a stroke: 1 in 6
Chance of dying from heart disease: 1 in 3
Chance of getting arthritis: 1 in 7
Chance of suffering from asthma or allergy diseases: 1 in 6
Chance of getting the flu this year: 1 in 10
Chance of developing schizophrenia: 1 in 00
Chance of contracting the human version of mad cow disease: 1 in 40,000,000
Chance of dying from SARS in the United States: 1 in 100,000,000
Chance of American man developing cancer in his lifetime: 1 in 2
Chance of an American woman developing cancer in her lifetime: 1 in 3
Chance of getting prostate cancer: 1 in 6
Chance of getting breast cancer: 1 in 9
Chance of getting colon / rectal cancer: 1 in 26
Chance of beating pancreatic or liver cancer: 1 in 9
Chance of beating thyroid or testicular cancer: 9 in 10

You misread the odds ratio; it is NOT 3.4% (or 3 out of 100). In fact, there is no per cent sign at all; the actual ratio is a whole number (3 plus 0.4), or 304 out of 100.

The odds ratio (which is not the same statistic that you’re using) is defined as the ratio of the odds of an event occurring in one group to the odds of it occurring in another group. An odds ratio of 1 implies that the event is equally likely in both groups. An odds ratio greater than one implies that the event is more likely in the first group. The odds of an event is the number of those who experience the event divided by the number of those who do not.

The American Cancer Society (ACS) estimates about 34,360 new cases (24,180 in men and 10,180 in women) of oral cavity and oropharyngeal cancer will be diagnosed in the U.S. in 2007. An estimated 7,550 people (5,180 men and 2,370 women) will die of these cancers in 2007.

When patients newly diagnosed with oral and oropharyngeal cancers are carefully examined, about 15% will have another cancer in nearby areas such as the voice box (larynx), the part of the digestive system between the throat and stomach (esophagus), or lung. Of those who are cured of the oral or oropharyngeal cancer, 10% to 40% will develop cancer of one of these organs or a second cancer of the oral cavity or oropharynx at a later time. Lung cancer also occurs often in these patients.

By comparison, the ACS estimates that in 2007, about 11,150 cases of invasive cervical cancer will be diagnosed in the U.S. About 3,670 women will die from cervical cancer in the United States during 2007.

One could approximate the odds of dying from oral cancer to be 1 to 3.55, and the probability of dying to be about 22% (or 2 out of 10 people diagnosed die), based on the number of diagnosed cases and the number of deaths occurring in one year. However, since those who are diagnosed typically do not die within the year of diagnosis, this is a misleading statistic. Also, some will later develop lung cancer.

Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer death for both men and women. More people die of lung cancer than of colon, breast, and prostate cancers combined. In 2007 there will be about 213,380 new cases of lung cancer in the U.S. (114,780 among men and 98,620 among women). About 160,390 people will die of this disease (89,510 men and 70,880 women). The average lifetime chance that a man will develop lung cancer is 1 in 12. For a woman it is 1 in 16. About 6 out of 10 people with lung cancer die within 1 year of finding out that they have lung cancer. Between 7 and 8 will die within 2 years.

The 5-year survival rate for oropharynx cancer ranges from 57% for Stage I to 30% for Stage IV.

Based on the increasing prevalence of women engaging in oral sex and also having multiple sex partners (or “hooking up”), the number of women being diagnosed with and/or dying from oral cancers will very likely increase.

I’ll believe the experts at Johns Hopkins and Dana-Farber over someone who writes, “Not everyone in PTC is a prude. A little S$M could be good for the sole [sic]…. If nothing else it will give a new meaning to being ‘tied up’. [sic]” You also recommend Lou Reed’s "Take a Walk on the Wild Side," a song about transvestites, drug use, and promiscuity.

Hopefully, being “tied up” hasn’t affected the oxygen supply to your brain.

"The idea that oral sex is risk-free is not correct. It comes with significant risks, and developing cancer is one of them" said Dr. Robert Haddad, clinical director of the Head and Neck Oncology Program at the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute. In other words, cancer is only ONE of your worries; there are others.

People who have had more than 5 oral-sex partners in their lifetime [i.e., especially those who "hook up"] are 250% more likely to have throat cancer than those who do not have oral sex. That's A LOT more than 3.4%!

You people are getting yourselves tied up in knots over this. The bottom line is parents aren't willing to be parents. They have no control, and if they did most of them wouldn't take the time to be parents anyway.

Parents are afraid to say NO or discipline their kids from about the age of 4 on.

I have rocks in my backyard that are smarter than most of the new wave "parents" we have today.

Let these "angels" do whatever they want, drugs, sex, alcohol as long as they only hurt themselves I'm good with it.
The police here have no inclination to deter teen crime, let these kids do themselves in. Our city will be better for it, as long as they only hurt themselves.

And no, I don't condone teenage sex

Isn't it sad that you have to state stuff like this up front to avoid having some of the fundies on this site twist your words?

I went on record as favoring sex ed for high schoolers and slack jawed mouth breather ILickEmUp accuses me of wanting to put condoms on elementary school kids. And I disagreed with Denise on HPV so she accused me of reading NAMBLA magazines.
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Sunlight causes cancer. I don't plan on living underground like some on here. -Bad PTC, responding to a typical "The Sky is Falling!" post from Denise Connor

and CREEPY that you preface your comments with disclaimers and then go on to promote immorality.

For example, there's your CREEPY "sex ed" conversation with an 11-year-old girl.

Your song "commemorating" Jerry Falwell's death

When I woke up, I felt like such a clown
There were people standing all around
I felt something warm between my thighs
I'd wet myself to my surprise
I lowered my head, Tug looked at me and said
"Hold on Mix... let's clean you up a bit."
I shuddered once, and let out one last...hiss
I'd ruined those pants I knew I would miss
So now they're gone, they'll be hard to replace
That Bas! I blame him for my disgrace.

A Slate article reviewing a book referred to as "a guide for teenage boys on the prowl" that you refer to as a source for reasons not to teach abstinence -- "New study: 'Evangelical' [quotation marks added by you] girls lose virginity earlier than anyone" [sic]

You seem to take great delight in evangelical girls losing their virginity and in defending videotaped group sex orgies, as well as injecting anal sex into the HPV vaccine and cervical cancer topic!

You say, "And I disagreed with Denise on HPV so she accused me of reading NAMBLA magazines." Back up that quote, or are you "twisting" my words?

As part of your "Personal Information," you include this statement: "You don't have your children's best interests at heart if you vote Republican."

We mustn't forget your blog, Basmati on "Christianists" and your referring to me as "bottom feeding scum," "cockroach," "ghoul," "shiny-eyed Christianist zealot," "amoral gutterslug," and so on.

Yes, you really must add your disclaimers or readers just might come to another conclusion.

I owe you an apology, Denise. When I accused you of accusing me of getting my facts from "NAMBLA magazines" I was wrong. You did nothing of the sort...you accused me of getting my facts regarding cancer from "Pedophiles Anonymous" magazine. (My facts were from the CDC, you'll recall, not that it matters). I deeply regret the error and will try to keep your personal attacks separate from others in the future.

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Sunlight causes cancer. I don't plan on living underground like some on here. -Bad PTC, responding to a typical "The Sky is Falling!" post from Denise Connor

Wild and free sex with no limits -- That's not your position?

I never said that "Pedophiles Anonymous" was a magazine.

I suppose that I was responding to your statement, "There are no absolutes in the world." And then you injected anal intercourse into the discussion about the HPV vaccine for young girls and cervical cancer. Curious twist, in my opinion.

You'd called Dr. Lerner a "Luddite" and said that he wasn't a real doctor. You'd tried to discredit Focus on the Family and Family Research Council with your characterization "Holy Writ of Abstinence! Abstinence! Abstinence!"

Do you think that I over-reacted?

But suppose they did? Service academies, last names, and would never... doesn't make them immune.
I remember tail-hook stories of academy graduates, cheating by academy graduates, rapes by academy graduates, and parties you wouldn't believe---and they were all more than 17, and certainly knew better. Iv'e also known many personally.
I ask you again, what if?
The problem was; he was one in a million that was prosecuted for 10 years due primarily to a film.

Paris Hilton broke the law (twice); defied the judge's order; etc., etc., etc., - and got 45 days. Her 'crime' could have killed somone. Where is the 'fairness' in sentencing here? Let the time match the crime! Tough as Nails politician is playing to his supporters. There is an election. The color of one's skin does not determine their 'blackness' / 'whiteness' or their integrity and/or wisdom.

With all the accolades pouring in about this young man, perhaps we should consider whether or not this "party" was his only blemish. It would seem to me that twelve of his jurors saw fit to find him guilty in the first place, and just perhaps they were privy to this man's past criminal record.
All stories have two sides to them, are we now hearing only what his defense attorney wants us to hear. The odds are that he will be set free and in all likelyhood will be in trouble within the first year of his new found freedom.
Admittedly, I possess no hard proof of any of his brushes with the law previously, but are there any "bleeding hearts" out there willing to invite him into their homes for the weekend?

Here was an honor student, a football star, the homecoming king, an overachiever set to go far if ever there was one who made a mistake. Thank You God that our state attorney general wasn’t around when my friends and I were kids. One of my buddies had a kid while we were still in high school. Dear Lord, do you think maybe he should have gotten the electric chair? This was from a previous poster.

You speak the truth in that we are only hearing one side here. Unfortunately that's always the case.

A far as inviting him into my home for the weekend? No, but then again there not anybody on this blog I'd invite in either.