"I would have kicked the "kid" off of the property for attempting to enter without a ticket. That was theft of services. Criminal trespass or disorderly conduct. There are several different angles that they could have approached this situation with."

Why wouldn't the other officer be aggressive as you? Just hope this isn't a trend in Fayetteville or PTC because the whole county will be ruled by thugs.

You answered a few of my concerns that I posted here in reply to Mr. Taber's(?) post. I hope that law enforcement is reading.

"All evil needs to win is for good people to stand by and do nothing."

Thanks for that mindset, especially if the victims won't press charges, and/or the D.A. won't prosecute, and/or judges let them off.

Good points...

If law enforcement stop doing their job then citizens will stop reporting.

Example of a true story. A woman from Fairburn saw a man trying to steal her car. She accosted him and he tried to engage her in an assault. Bad idea. She struck back, he chickened out and fled. She called the Union City police and they did not even want to write a report, saying that they probably couldn't catch him and that the Fulton prosecutors would probably give him probation. I will bet that next time she doesn't bother to call the police.

Mr. and Mrs. Taber will probably never visit ThugTown again. And if somewhere else in Fayetteville they are accosted as they were here, they probably won't call the police.

My granddaughter and I were involved in an altercation with a thug in Fayetteville Thursday afternoon. I thought it would be wasting my time to call the police. Maybe the police's time too though. It happened so fast.
We were so terrified we couldn't give a good description of the car.

It's just about right.
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As the population in "South Metro" has increased, have police staffing also been increased in the southern counties? Since it looks like every county in Georgia has it's own police/sheriff's dept , are crime databases being shared between jurisdictions? If not, that is highly inefficient. In Maryland, we had state troopers that basically dealt with the inter-county crimes. Is the GBI the equivalent of State troopers here? I guess my thing is, if you know there are problem spots at certain times, then Law Enforcement needs to be on the spot at those times, enforcing the law.
Still, citizens also have an obligation to support the police's efforts to enforce the law by reporting suspicious activities so that the police can see the "patterns" as they emerge.
Also, I just wanted to say that "Resident not impressed by Tinseltown"
was very brave to stand up to the punk that tried to sneak into the movie theatre.
Thank You.

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"In the past six months Peachtree City has lost three of its lieutenants and is currently short eight officers…

Murray also is aware of several current officers who plan to leave in the near future."

Source

That is a whole shift? Probably office people.

Three lieutenants and eight officers.

Sure sounds like office help to me.

Bad, this news is 3 months old. I saw it when it was issued.
What I meant was: is it still 11?
What is the management doing about it?
It will only be used as an excuse for crime and cart path vandalism until the authorized positions are filled, then of course, MORE officers will be needed again. A never ending tax burden.
I still say: pay what we have 45,000 and 50,000 after one year, if they make it a year.
I don't understand the problem of not being able to train but one or two at a time? If that continues they will never catch up due to people leaving.

"Peachtree City ordinance establishes the development impact fees “to serve, promote and accommodate orderly growth and development and to protect the public health, safety, and general welfare of the citizens of the city, and to ensure that adequate public facilities are available to serve new growth and development.”

There is a city-wide service area fee of $1,083 per dwelling unit, which includes $1,040 for recreational system improvements, $43 for the library expansion, police department expansions, and the recreation administration building.

The Development Impact Fee Advisory Committee is proposing an additional fee of $231 for the bike bridge over Ga. Highway 74, $894.21 for the West Village Fire Station, and $328.90 for the expansion of the baseball/soccer complex, for a total fee of $2,537.11 per dwelling unit if the West Village annexation requests are approved, and council approves the impact fees recommendation."

Citizen note: The above press release was received from Peachtree City’s information office via email Tuesday morning, April 24.

The police department gets to split some percentage of $43 for the library expansion, police department expansions, and the recreation administration building.

$45,000-$50,000 is just salary. You also have to take into account things such as a police cruiser at about $12,000/year and additional training required for keeping certifications and benefits such as health and retirement.

Police officers, Fire EMS personnel and the equipment they need to safely/adequately preform their functions don't come cheep.

I will say, others here have said it also, that I'd be willing to look at a tax increase if the police and fire services were to benefit directly from it. In my opinion, we've paid enough for recreation in this city.

Apparently you didn't understand what I said at all.
I'm not for adding more and more officers for the same square miles we have always had.
I said keep what we have, maybe a few more over ten years, but pay them very well however.
They wouldn't need more police cruisers or benefits now would they?
When a training situation of several at a time is required, then all the brass get off their behinds and train them rapidly. I want HARD workers, not scores of showing the blue! You can get hard workers for 50,000.
Don't pull a cop into court every day for the tickets he wrote. If it turns out he is needed, call him in. There are efficiencies.

The number of police and fire service personnel isn't based on the number of sq. acres/miles it's based on per-capita of population.

Population in PTC has been rising steadily for the last several years while the number of police officers hasn't kept pace.

The syntactic is usually expressed in the # of police officers/1,000 or 100,00 residents depending on the size of the city.

"Don't pull a cop into court every day for the tickets he wrote. If it turns out he is needed, call him in. There are efficiencies."

Police officers don't go to traffic court every day for tickets, they have assigned days that they appear. Your efficiencies have been answered.

It would help, a little, if you knew something of what you were complaining about before you complained about it.

I'm aware they want so many cops per the population. That is like saying we need a town manager for every 10,000 people.
Management does the job.
I am also aware that all the cops don't go to court every day. Only when their tickets are to be tried. I'm saying why then?
You sure do think funny!

"I'm aware they want so many cops per the population. That is like saying we need a town manager for every 10,000 people.

No it's not. That's just how you think. The rest of the world has a grip on reality.

The numbers of police and fire service personnel required, the world over, are based on the population and the per-capita crime rate. Why is it you think PTC should do it differently than the rest of the world?

Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics 2003

Mean and per capita police department personnel expenditures in cities with populations of 10,000 or more.

In 2003 the numbers were:
Population group
25,000 to 49,999

Mean / Per capita expenditures
$5,081,479 / $146.35

South Atlantic States:
Mean / Per capita expenditures
$7,128,261 / $190.08

2005, Peachtree City: (two years after this study)
Mean expenditures were $4,810,098.

PTC 2005 Budget, page 33

That's 6% less than some 249 other cities with similar populations and 33% less than the average for the South Atlantic states.

Our population and crime rates have both gone up and the number of police officers we have has gone down.

First you said:
"Don't pull a cop into court every day for the tickets he wrote. If it turns out he is needed, call him in. There are efficiencies."

I'm sure the judge will wait for the PTC officer to be located and arrive at court in Fayetteville, on an "as needed" basis. That doesn't sound real efficient to me.

Then you say:
"I am also aware that all the cops don't go to court every day. Only when their tickets are to be tried."

Which is it $?

I take it then that you would do everything the way others do it, at least use the average?
Do you ever wonder or question anything about that which you like?
NY and LA are supposed to have about 75,000 cops each I suppose?
I think maybe the cops many places also make about twice what they make here! I think that kinda runs up the dollars spent, don't you?
The one thing I usually don't want to know when solving a problem is: "how it is usually done."

You are confusing dollar with facts and common sense. Now she will spend her whole day making up stats to contradict your research.

It's a shame that we don't have the number of cops and fire fighters we need to meet even basic national standards.

Xaymaca, excellent points! Do believe that Mr. Tabor's experience suggests some training is needed for the Fayetteville police department. They must have credibility if citizens are to put their trust, safety and lives in their hands. The policeman Mr. Tabor encountered perhaps is in the WRONG OCCUPATION -- as may be the case for the Mayor and City Manager.

What is sad is the health department has been just as inept as Tinseltown. They have allowed this place to remain open when it operates in filth! WHO DOES THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT WORK FOR?????? HMMMMmmmm!

Most people do not realize that Health Dept. employees are actually state employees, not Fayette County employees.

Now just who do you think was paying those cops to sit outside the movies?
The Theater of course, and they aren't supposed to upset anybody!
We need to pay cops more so they won't have to do this crap.

Sadly,they detain you a half hour for their report and then will take more interest in you running a stop sign leaving Tinseltown than they will in looking for the perp you described.

My apologies, Mr. Taber for the Tinseltown experience...I am sorry you and your wife had to experience that mistreatment from the thug and that unresponsiveness from law enforcement.

All Mayor Steele of Fayetteville and Mayor Logsdon of Peachtree City, for example, care about is the sales tax revenue and taking care of their friends. They could care less about your experience. They could care less about crime.

I stopped going there a while back. Perhaps you did not know how bad it is. This appears to be the beginning of the end.

How long has the current mayor of Fayetteville been in office, and when does his term expire? Also -- if anyone knows -- what is the arrangement of the City Manager? Know that he was apparently wrapped up in the previous chief of police's 'early retirement'.

What perks do they receive from the City, and what are their salaries?

What is the sensing of their capabilities in a changing environment? Fayetteville is getting larger and larger, and candidly, they may just not be up to the task at hand!!

Why do we not read press releases of what they are doing to protect citizens?

Sorry for all of the questions, but surely someone knows. Just sense that they are doing nothing to enhance the protective services of citizens -- for whatever reason. Normally, police will take on the attitude of their superiors. If that is the case, does not speak very highly of the city government given Mr. Taber's experience.

How do we expect to draw new business with armed robberies in broad daylight; alleged stabbing on Sundays; permitting a filthy establishment to continue operation (same one that was infested with rats); and nonchalant attitudes of those charged with protecting???? Just makes you wonder what the city government is doing!!!!

Great questions.

The current mayor of Fayetteville has been in office for two, maybe three terms.

He is up for re-election this year. He had no opposition the last election. Some of the council members have been in office longer.

When the former police chief "retired" the city Manager became the acting police chief.

Hopefully, someone else will answer your other questions.

City Manager may have momentarily been acting FV chief, but Lt. Jeff Harris was acting chief for many months until the new chief was hired.

You're right, my mistake! That was important!

I was told Lt. Harris did a fine job too.

Thank you so much. Think there is going to be some work that needs to be done.

Thanks again!