The Ice Cream Bandit Judge in response to John Munford's column (04/12/2007 - 4:37 p.m.)

Judge remembered as ‘tough but fair’
Andrew J. Whalen Jr.: a family man with sense of humor

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Bas/MAV's vitriol against Mr. Falwell is definitely much worse! Don't you just love Bas/MAV's eulogies.

Wonder what others will say (or at least think) about him?

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"Hatred is blind, anger is foolhardy, and he who pours out vengeance risks having to drink a bitter draft."

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What a decent human being, a real gentleman! Because of your comments, Kevin, I decided to find out more about this man who has been so vilified, mainly because he urged conservative Christians into a political process they often shunned as corrupt. Other religious leaders (Martin L. King, for example) used this strategy and still use it today. In fact, Hillary Clinton spoke at the First Baptist Church in Selma recently, and Barack Obama spoke at another black church as well. (Americans United for Separation of Church and State complained that the Alfred Street Baptist Church in Alexandria, Va., and the Greater Grace Temple of the Apostolic Faith in Detroit, Mich., engaged in partisan politicking during church services by encouraging support for Democratic candidates in 2000.) I see a double standard.

Pastor Falwell's church established a one-to-one tutoring program to give students special attention and help in the development of relationship skills, to foster positive role modeling, and to build up the student’s self-confidence. The children receive help with homework, help with subjects where they may be experiencing difficulty, and specific concentration in meeting the Standard of Learning (SOL) requirements of the Lynchburg City Public Schools. Additionally, the children receive assistance in developing good study habits.

There is also an After School Program for the many inner-city boys and girls who are home alone after school.

Other ministries are the Elim Home for Alcoholics, a mentoring program for prison inmates in an effort to reduce the recidivism rate, and Iron Horse Ministries "to quietly minister with loving integrity to the physical, emotional, and spiritual needs of the motorcycling community, by developing one-on-one relationships. And to help those churches and groups, to reach out to this often feared and unwanted segment of society."

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County businessmen who had known him for decades say that Falwell was "a warm, loving, humble man" and "a gracious man who extended goodwill to those who opposed him as well as his allies."

Although Falwell was blunt about his belief that homosexuality was an offense to God, Jay Smith of the Ventura County Rainbow Alliance found his brand of talk a blessing in disguise.

"Although we disagree with his interpretation of the Bible, he forced our community to get into dialog and talk about the issues," said Smith, whose organization provides support to people with HIV/AIDS.

While acknowledging that Falwell did shoot from the hip at times, he would engage the people who took exception to his outspoken remarks.

Lost in the controversy that swirled around Falwell is how rooted he was in his faith.

"He raised tens of millions of dollars and lived an honest life in a modest home." Instead of financing a lavish lifestyle, Falwell founded a university, a home for single mothers, a rehabilitation center for substance abusers, and a hospice for people suffering from AIDS.

I'm proud of you AGAIN Hack. As I've said before, you're a good man with a big heart.

God Bless
Tug

But I won't get into the details of the other night when Hack and I finally met for drinks and he got toasted and put that guys head print in the back of that metal chair. That guy should have never taken offense to what Hack called him.

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What about Git?
I guess he was just sitting there drinking sweet tea, watching Hack.

I'm a good boy.

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And I am Steve Brown.

I thought so my dear lady.

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If I told you "God is a Democrat", what would be your reaction?

And do you believe, like Jerry Falwell said, that abortionists were responsible for 9/11?

You don't provide them when I ask you a question.

Sorry I'm late getting back to you, Tug. I do have to work sometimes, you know. And wow, was there ever a run on Big Macs last night at the drive through! ;p

I want you to know that I wasn't assuming you were a big ole fan of Jerry Falwell, you seem like too nice a person to look up to that racist bigot. Some of your comments left me curious, so I wanted to see what if any of Falwell's beliefs you agreed with. Thanks for answering my questions.

Some of my comments left you curious? What comments would that be??

Do me a favor please. Go back and read Jeff C. comments about J. Falwell, posted at 8:19 last night. Get back to me and tell me what you think.

I anxiously await your reply.

Tug

You asked about the comments that made me curious...I noticed that when ghouls like Pentapenguin and Denise Cockroach were using the still warm corpses of the innocent victims of the Virginia Tech shootings to further their political platforms, you remained silent. When I commented on the passing of the racist bigot Falwell, you immediately took offense. Perhaps I'm reading between the lines too much, but I thought your outrage was a tad situational....lot of that going around. Perhaps I'm a bit quick to pull the trigger, but my feeling is that you routinely criticize me for behavior that you condone in others.

As far as Jeff Carter's commentary goes, Jeff has had the opportunity to meet Jerry Falwell in person. Good for him. He says that Jerry was quite a nice man in person. I've heard people say the same thing about George W. Bush as well...he's the good sorta person who you'd want to go out and grab a beer with. I think it's important to distinguish between personal and public personas. George Bush as a person never did anything to me personally (same as Falwell), but their public pronouncements and policies have weakened and embarassed America. Again, that's my opinion.

Yeah Bas, you shot yourself in the foot. I don't have time to read all of the comments. YOU have a Hallelujah blog! Dancing on someone's grave! Unbelievable!! That was hard to miss.

I don't get involved in your political discussions.

As for Jeff C. comments re Falwell; I was referring to the last paragraph. Did you read all of it? What about this part: "If I had been hungry, he would have fed me. If I had been cold, he would have given me a coat. I would have done the same for him. Then we would have argued politics or religion viciously. May he rest in peace."
Jeff showed a lot of class.

Oh, remember myword_mark? Your comments to him were totally uncalled for too.

Have a nice afternoon.

Tug

While I disagreed with Basmati before, I still had a measure of respect for him as a fellow American and Fayette Countian. No more. He has now proven beyond a shadow of a doubt what kind of person he is -- a mean spirited, hate filled, venomous, disgusting person.

He dares call me a "ghoul" for bringing up a point he disagreed with but then he REJOICES at Falwell's death? What a hypocrite! Yo Rice Queen -- at least I didn't have a creepy conversation about sex with a little girl! (Mega props to Denise for that link.) How's that for "ghoulish"?

Basmati is a hypocrite -- he has NO TOLERANCE WHATSOEVER for differing viewpoints.

Rice Queen is not a Christian despite his claims -- wishing for someone else's death goes completely against the Christian philosophy of "love others," "turn the other cheek," and "do good unto those who persecute you."

Rice Queen, go back to Democratic Underground.com -- you'll fit right in with the hate mongers, conspiracy theorists, and other whackjobs.

And before someone asks, no I will not take back a single word here -- every word I wrote is true. I'm sad to say bastmati is the most venomous person I've come across in a while. He should pray to whatever deity he believes in and ask for some basic human love.

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Basmati said that he is a Christian? He must have mistyped. Oh my, I'm feeling faint.

I *think* I saw a post where banmati said she was a Christian, but I may be mistaken since I can't find it to give you a link to it. If she is a Christian that's between her and God -- I'm will not judge that relationship. However I will judge her actions like the constant bashing of the evil "Christianists" and taking a very unbiblical attitude of hating (political) enemies.

Edit: basmati here (You're right, Git Real) seems to imply that she's a Christian. Again, it's not my place to say anything about that. I will though keep saying when she is wrong and hypocritical.

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"Bas, you must know God better than I do, because he didn't tell me that."

Who told you that I agreed with Jerry Falwell?

I have a good friend who works at a local bank. He gave me a piece of paper this morning. (everyone doing business there got one) This is what it says.

"The Way To Happiness: Keep your heart free from hate, your mind from worry. Live simply, expect little, give much. Scatter sunshine. Forget self, think of others. Try this for a week and you will be surprised."
Norman Vincent Peale

Demanding answers without providing any is a trade mark® tactic of basmati.

I liked the NVP quote.

Thanks.

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As Hack pointed out in this blog Rev. Falwell did much good with his homeless shelters and scholarships.

Our prayers go out to his family and friends.

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the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.
John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address- 1961

Let us pray that God shows more mercy towards Jerry Falwell than Jerry did towards gays, lesbians, non-whites, non-Protestants, etc.

I think I just blew sprite out of my nose.

You said"I'm glad a racist hate-mongering bigot is dead". So, did you give God thanks for that "racist hate-mongering bigot is (being) dead" on bended knee or did you just celebrate your glee in a somber more secular way like your public affirmation that you dislike anyone you judge to be imperfect?

Anyone see any hypocrisy in any of this? H-E-L-L-O??

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Do you think God hears the prayers of Jews? Hmmm?

God hears all prayers ... even yours basmati.

It's a part of the whole 'omni' package that cannot be properly conceived by us mere mortals, thus, the requirement of 'faith'.

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So you disagree with Jerry Falwell, Mixer?

He was the one who claimed God did not hear the prayers of Jews.

There might be hope for you yet!

Considering that Mr. Falwell knew the Bible a lot better than most people, I question this statement was probably taken out of context.

What nationality was Jesus Christ? The disciples? Most of the early church?

There's your answer!

Hint: Watch The Passion for clues.

Why would you assume that just because I don't dance on the graves of the dead and demean the departed that I am somehow in lock-step with everything they have ever said?

Do you read ANYTHING that the other bloggers write?

Not only did I re-post Hack's blog for your consumption about those who disagreed with Falwell (like Al Sharpton, and Kevin King himself), but Denise gave several examples of people who didn't agree with everything he said who still find those (like you and the four from San Francisco) who celebrate his death as morally reprehensible. You are truly an isolated deviate from society’s norms basmati. I am not trying to be personal, I am stating medical facts.

Your behavior regarding the death of Jerry Falwell is text book egocentrism, and exemplifies sociopathic tendencies that I would consider ‘queer’ and highly destructive.

Again I will ask you:
What worthwhile human traits do YOU exhibit with your hate speech on the first day of the death of a fellow man (for the second time in the last month) basmati?
What leadership trait or redemptive quality are you modeling?

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Well he could have waited til today to say what he said about Falwell. Would that have made it better?

Christopher Hitchins sums up Jerry Falwell's life a day after his death

Outstanding clip.

Last night on the news they said that Falwell had been involved in some kind of finance scandal involving his "University" Then he declared bankruptcy? Did I hear that right? What was that all about? I was only half listening to the news.

Yep, I remember that scandal, although I'm a bit hazy on the details.

After the Moral Majority crumbled, Falwell decided he wanted to be a university president. He built his so-called "Liberty University" but got dangerously over-extended in his financial commitments.

Fortunately, this was in the 1990s when Reverend Sun Myung Moon (head of the Moonie cult) was looking to buy the Republican party of the United States. Moon had already created the Washington Times and put the first President Bush on retainer. Moon bought up all of Falwell's debt at grossly inflated prices (poor business practice but perfect legal) and then re-negotiated the debt at terms much more favorable to Falwell (again, poor business practice but legal).

In return, Falwell, who'd been one of Moon's harshest critics, never said a bad word about Moon for the rest of his life. In essence, Moon bought Falwell's silence.

"In return, Falwell, who'd been one of Moon's harshest critics, never said a bad word about Moon for the rest of his life. In essence, Moon bought Falwell's silence."

Been reading the Democratic Underground again, I see, because I KNOW that you weren't in Falwell's church!

Moon was arrested in 1946 by communist North Korean officials. Police beat him and left him for dead, but a teenage disciple nursed him back to health.

Moon was arrested again and was given a five-year sentence in 1948 to a labor camp, where prisoners were routinely worked to death on short rations. Moon credits his own survival to God's protection over his life, and his habit of saving half his meager water ration for washing the toxic chemicals off his skin after long days work bagging and loading chemical fertilizer with his bare hands. After serving 34 months of his sentence, he was released in 1950 when UN troops advanced on the camp and the guards fled.

Surviving that kind of torture might have been something that Mr. Falwell respected; I don't know.

His beliefs differ greatly from what I know of Falwell's beliefs; so, I find it hard to believe that Mr. Falwell sanctioned in any way the Unification Church's beliefs. But, if he did, he'd only be practicing the liberal religion of TOLERANCE, and you should admire his lack of bigotry.

I recognize that it is very common for you to harrangue people who do not agree with you.

You can natter on and on about "hate speech" and use lots of ten dollar words like "egocentrism" and "redemptive quality" and "sociopathic tendencies" all you like.

And you know what?

It doesn't matter!

I'm simply a guy putting my two cents in on one of the issues of the day. Don't like it? Gee, that's too bad.

I'm glad a racist hate-mongering bigot is dead.
You're offended that I am glad.
Life goes on.

So, you say that : I'm glad a racist hate-mongering bigot is dead. When did you add the racist to your preteen pablum?

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I've been doing a little reading on the racist bigot Falwell.

Seems he was quite the unrepentant racist in the 1960s. He regularly demonized Martin Luther King as a lawbreaker and a thug. (Interestingly, when racism became passe in the South later on, Falwell re-invented himself as one of the biggest and bestest supporters of King of allll time!).

Falwell also achieved some minor notoriety in the 1960s for originating the phrase "Civil Wrongs Movement" to describe the Civil Rights Movement.

Falwell toned down his racism in later years, but as late as the 1980s he was urging America to support the racist Apartheid policies in South Africa, and urged his sheep to buy South African Kruggerands as an investment to show support for that regime.

So, yes, I stand by my "racist" characterization.

Well, you do what you have to do, don't you?

You really should work on your anger.

First, try reading this:

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Then show that you have as much character as the man you assail by apologizing. I for one, bet you can't

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Yes, I figured you'd dredge up that Falwell "apology".

Jerry Falwell has a history of "Smear, outrage, careful apology, smear again".

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If you consider that "character", I feel sorry for you.

An outpouring of public opinion is what 'encouraged' Falwell to 'apologize'.

"The tragedies that have occurred this week did not occur because someone made God mad, as Mr. Falwell asserts. They occurred because of hate, pure and simple. It is time to move beyond a place of hate and to a place of healing. We hope that Mr. Falwell will apologize to the U.S. and world communities.

Many 'believers' prayed for all mankind to move from a place of hate to a place of healing. Christians prayed to view the situation -having the 'mind ' of Christ. Farwell’s' history is well documented. Let us all stay on the journey to 'do unto others as we would have them do unto us' - and to be merciful, just, and pure. Falwell, as all who 'believe' - will answer to a higher judge.

Please just ignore him as the rest of us have learned to do.

The new world of 24 hour TV coverage, and the instant Internet, will have Mr. Falwell tried, judged, and sentenced by tomorrow night.
If one leaves religion out of it entirely, Falwell created a clan, similar to hundreds of others in existence, belonging to no organized authority other than his own, and will soon be forgotten due to his inconsistencies.
He could have been a Mormon, A Shulamite, A primitive Baptist, A snake handler, an old Anglican, a new Anglican, a Benny Hinnist, A Paul Crouchist, A John Hagist, a Jim Jones, or one of a hundred other clans that exist, but are doomed to die out.
The members will simply move across the street to the next attractive guy and go about their regular business.
It will be interesting to see what his family does with his personal fortune and his 30,000 members, and his University.

Don't recall attacking the man's religion. Strong dislike for a misguided demagogue...quilty. I wonder why Larry Flynt hasn't been interviewed yet?

He was one who wanted to create an American theocracy, while at the same time decrying the same political structure in say...Iran.

Hate is not a family value.

Is bashing a man who's politics you don't like on the day he dies a family value?

Attacking the dead is less than being tolerant and more than being distasteful.

Why launch an attack on a man in lieu of his eulogy? What could you possibly hope to achieve by showing that you lack decency and compassion?

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I didn't dislike Jerry Falwell because he was a Christian, I disliked him because he was an awful human being.

There's nothing about "tolerance" that means you can't distinguish between good people and bad people.

You meant to say "I disliked him because I THOUGHT he was an awful human being". You went further and have said you are 'GLAD he is dead'.

Then, as usual, in a moment of honesty, you reveal your widespread hypocrisy: "There's nothing about "tolerance" that means you can't distinguish between good people and bad people."

Gee basmati, isn't 'distinguishing between good people and bad people' being 'judgemental' and therefore intolorant to those YOU deem to be 'bad' people? I bet you think not.

The mere fact that you can't see this when all the rest of us can tells us who and what you are all about.

Your statements lack both tolorance and compassion. (That by definition makes you at the very least an egocentrist and more likely a Sociopath.)

What worthwhile human traits do YOU exhibit with your hate speech basmati?

What leadership trait or redemptive quality are you modeling?

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Let's try and not make this personal, M'kay? (you can help out here by not telling me what I "meant" to say).

First things first: I never claimed that I was not judgmental. I certainly am judgmental. And it is my opinion that you are as equally as judgmental as me, if not more. Would you agree?

It is also true that I lack tolerance for bigots. As such, I have a deep seated loathing for people like Jerry Falwell, who made his fortune demonizing others for their skin color, their religious persuasion and/or their sexual orientation. If this makes me somehow "intolerant" in your personal opinion, I'm willing to live with it.

Your logical fallacy "appeal to bandwagon" notwithstanding ("...all the rest of us..."), Jerry Falwell was a very polarizing figure in his lifetime. He built an empire built on hatred and divisiveness.

I am of the opinion that the world is better off without him. As an aside, I feel the same way about Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson as well.

you are just as bigoted against the so called christianist's as Falwell was against the Jews and the gays. You don't wear self rightousness very well.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

You're absolutely correct, sir.

I am absolutely intolerant of the intolerance of Christianists.

Furthermore, I am proud to say that I am intolerant of the intolerance of Christianists.

I realize that I don't quite have the smug, condescending self-righteousness of Christianists down pat yet, but I'm working on it. I'll keep you posted on my progress.

In any case, thanks for noticing!

If you'll read that post again you'll see I didn't say you were intolerant I said you were a bigot and I think you have the smug self-rightuosness thing down more then pat. You're welcome.

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“AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals”

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What a stupid statement.
I suppose heart attacks and cancer are Christians punishment?

Yes, that quote was not from me. It was from Jerry Falwell in a 2004 interview with Cox News Service. I was using it to demonstrate his compassion.

Incidentally, Twinky-Winky does have an alibi. He was interviewed at his home in London: Twinky-Winky interview.

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Dollaradayandfound, He was quoting Jerry Falwell.

I apologize. Falwell was stupid----no making money.

.... that shares his views and his computer.

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They were that easy to follow...LOL.

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The compassion is I am sure he has received God's forgiveness and welcomed into the Kingdom he would have denied so many others.

Only because they have eliminated "Limbo," which is where I think he deserved to spend some time. At least we didn't catch him out on Airline Hwy in N.O. w/ a lady friend. Or on the internet w/ our PTC sweet thang (who bagged another 1 today). Maybe he wasn't a hypocite but I doubt it.

Still like they cut Westmoron short.

I am glad the man did some good with all the money that poured in...nice gold watch on the ABC News piece..Rolex? I am glad he was against abortion and gave women a shelter. And he adopted how many unwanted children? I am sure he was a loving husband, father and paw-paw.
The quotes printed here and the stands we all remember (or don't) he took make him Fair Game.
Sorry, Evil is Evil, even when it comes wrapped in a preacher's robes. He never hesitated to "preach" that AIDS victims (who also were as dead as he is now) deserved their fate. This is his eulogy.
I won't say the world is a better place but it certainly is a little less dark.

Why show yourself to be so shallow and hate-filled?

You are proving what many have said for years - liberals are the most intolerant people.

I seriously thought you were smarter than this. Show some compassion and tolerance. If he didn't and you don't either you are as bad as him; if he did and you don't you are worse. If he didn't and you do, you are a better man.

Use your head.

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This clown will be but a sick footnote to the history of an era of religio-political idiocy during which he was one of the more comical ring masters. And a clown.
Slightly above John Wayne Gasey in the clown hierarchy. A shameless bastard and a thief.

R-freaking-I-P.

I am getting quite amused at Mixer's attempts to derail this thread onto the subject of "liberal intolerance" and how we should be respectful of the dead at all times.

Normally I agree that it's not right to mock the dead, but when all you're know for and all you've done in your life is spread hateful, mindless bigotry against people because your interpretation of the Bible tells you to do so, you negate any respect or tolerance you would normally deserve.

I'm sorry, Mixer, that you feel that I don't exhibit the proper amount of "tolerance" for Christianist demagogues or other mindless bigots and fanatics.

This isn’t about simply disagreeing with someone or not liking what they say, it’s about someone who did nothing but spread misery and fanaticism being finally gone from this world so they can do no further harm.

I'm very glad he's dead. America is slightly less bigoted with his passing.

Let me leave you with a choice quote from Reverend Falwell:
This 'turn the other cheek' business is all well and good but it's not what Jesus fought and died for.

Does it bother you that you are the only person here with no concious, no compassion and no forgveness unless it is for a liberal cause?

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"I'm very glad he's dead. America is slightly less bigoted with his passing.",

How could it be with you in it?

You're a sad case basmati. I have pitty for you.

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Sick.

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Good point. The only thing we can control is our own actions. Thanks.

I can't get over his public comments and statments/judgements in recent years. I think it has colored many people's views on the christian church.

Falwell was a controversial figure - no doubt. Regardless, he devoted his life to doing what HE thought was best. I cannot judge him for how he lived or what he said and support many of his efforts in his charitable works.

I will say that unlike many TV evangelists (and a former President), Jerry Falwell never cried and asked (his wife) his supporters for forgiveness for his inappropriate sexual behavior on national television. I have heard and seen him apologize for mistakes and misstatements that hurt others (including the sacrosanct gays).

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I never saw him investigated for embezzling from his congregation or failing to give back to the community or lavishing himself with 'worldly goods' in the name of 'God'.

In short, while I do not like the political views or racial activities of Jesse Jackson, I will not celebrate his death and dance on his grave, nor will I muddy his eulogy by hurting his family and displaying my immaturity and lack of humanity (basmati).

I can recall many of the same people being upset over the apparent ‘jubilation’ of the hanging of Saddam Hussein that are now celebrating the death of Jerry Falwell.

Let the man and his family have their peace.

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Well, Pat Robertson is going senile. Hopefully, we beat back a political career for Ralphie Reed. Franklin Graham is busy trying to git his Mamma to agree to be buried in a barn in Charlotte w/ a talking dairy cow.
But unfortunately, you are correct, the religious right seems to have a good supply of divisive & derisive types.

Tinky-Winky doesn't like middle-eastern men, so he doesn't have an Ali-bi, but he does have a Steve, a Jamal and a 'life partner' named Lance.

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A February 1999 article in the National Liberty Journal, published by evangelical pastor Jerry Falwell, warned parents that Tinky could be a hidden homosexual symbol, saying "he is purple—the gay pride color, and his antenna is shaped like a triangle—the gay pride symbol."

There is no proof that carrying a "magic" bag makes a Teletubby gay. I have my own magic bag as does Felix the Cat.

The fact that he was so obsessed w/ gays that he picked a fight w/ a cartoon character makes me wonder. Too bad he didn't look at '30's Disney stuff.

Everyone knows Tinky Winky is a faggot. What's your point?

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I actually chuckled at your response....but you make my point.
Falwell's legacy is one of being a mean spirited demagogue in the truest sense of the word.

I liked WSB cut Westmoron's comment off. I am waiting for Ellen's & Rosie's.

You mean the kind of person that would celebrate the death of a fellow American - like you?

Do you have AIDS bladderq? Is thay why you take Falwell's opinions so personally?

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Why are you so obsessed with Tinky Winky? He's just an animated character.

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