I haven't called anyone "idiots or stupid" yet. I think lunatic fringe I used to the goof who said that Divine Intervention From God was going to happen so Steve could get re-elected.

I just fight fire with fire. Steve Brown has spent 4 years attacking and slandering people, even dead people. A lot of Brown supporters are the biggest whiners in PTC and follow right along Brown's path of "it's all about ME ME ME!"

NUK

You are right. It was H.Hamster, not you.

PTC Guy is right--- the postings by NUK and friends has been an endless stream of anonymous personal attacks with no substance. Given that the detractors of Steve Brown complain of his style, anonymous posters like NUK represent the height of hypocrisy.

Were Logsdon to be a dignified candidate supported by dignified and concerned citizens the conclusion would be different. But Logsdon arrogantly brushes off high school students, refuses to answer a single policy question and just floods his campaign with well-funded but shallow ads and phone calls. For his supporters--- more of the same. We see venomous attacks, childish tee shirts and the kind of behavior that shows us that he intends to be King Bob II.

Mr. Torrigan:

I was intrigued by your comments, especially regarding anonymous posters. I went around to look some publicly available searches on you, as you appear to be "honest" with your name.

Are you listed in the phone book in Peachtree City? No. OK, maybe the number's unlisted.

Do you own property in Peachtree City, or in Fayette County at all? No, but you could live in an apartment or a rental.

I did a "public records" check on Intelius (hey, it's free to at least see if any records are out there). This is what I got:
We searched Hal Torrigan and found 0 records nationwide

We searched Harold Torrigan and found 0 records nationwide
We searched Harry Torrigan and found 0 records nationwide
We searched Herald Torrigan and found 0 records nationwide
We searched Herold Torrigan and found 0 records nationwide
We searched H* Torrigan and found 0 records nationwide
We searched Torrigan and found 0 records in GA

If you don't mind me asking, how did you get past everybody to be so completely anonymous to the world? And are you alone in Georgia?

Perhaps YOU ARE A PSEUDONYM, pretending to be a real person. Why, then, should we trust you?, as "anonymous posters like NUK [and you] represent the height of hypocrisy"??

Just wondering.....maybe you can enlighten us. Or maybe, just maybe, you are a blatant propagandist with no basis in fact and your opinion should be discounted!

At least Mrs. Fran Sheldon exists. There's a Frances Sheldon....in COLUMBUS. No property ownership, no phone number, no public records on her.

We enjoy calling people on their misrepresentations. Please, prove us wrong.

Because Steve Brown sure doesn't. I still don't understand all the howling from the Brownies about Logsdon is ducking, not answering questions, whatever. He's running against STEVE BROWN, so why bother? He's going to win simply because he's not Steve Brown. Voters are going to figure that there is no way he can be as huge of an embarassment and ineffective as Brown. Go Voters!

NUK

We are all voters. You do not speak for all of us.

And no, neither Brown or Lodgsdon speaks to or for all us as candidates.

You need to get over this idea of unity on this issue in PTC. It isn't there.

I still don't understand all the howling from the Brownies about Logsdon is ducking, not answering questions, whatever. He's running against STEVE BROWN, so why bother?

Which is why you don't get it.

Not all of like Logsdon's King in the Castle attitude.

A lot of us vote substance over personalities.

Abrasive with substance beats King in the Castle with no substance with a great many of us.

This isn't a King of Homecoming election.

Unlike Brown, I don't claim to represent or own the "average resident" of PTC. I think I'm a lot more in tune to how the average resident of PTC thinks than Steve Brown or some of the Brownies though. You know, residents/voters that actually work for a living all day instead of looking for conspiracies under rocks or Police Dept's?

I am voting for substance myself. Personality-wise, I don't know if it matters that Logsdon isn't Mr. Charismatic or that Steve Brown is like Howdy Doody goofy. I'm taking the Logsdon "I have had jobs in my life, know what business and professionalism are about" over the hands-on "substance" of Brown. I've seen what Brown does and his total lack of class.

Hey, Jimmy Carter got elected too. Once.

NUK

Strange, you say you want substance but Logsdon has said nothing and Brown has actually done some good work. Logsdon has only said enough to reflect he will assume the Tennis Debt, stall or kill the Stormwater Utility and will freeze or lower taxes.

His main statement is 'needs looking into'.

As the old commercial says relating to Logsdon, "Where's the beef?"

Logsdon has shown nothing of value in his statements. Nothing of actual substance.

You say you don't are not looking at personalities but immediate go after Brown's personality.

Lodgson claims of experience are vague in actual detail and say nothing to how he will handle things.

Boils down to, on substance, what we can see that is concrete, on how they will proceed to get it done. Logsdon scores zero there.

Paths are being widened under Brown. Stormwater Utility is scheduled for vote in January under Brown. Logsdon has said we have to 'begin' on stormwater and are looking at 'years' to develop a plan.

Substance and competence. Not there for Logsdon on the issues.

What is of substance to you and what I feel are obviously different. My prime issue in who I vote for in regards to a local election like PTC's is who is less likely to screw things up royally?

PTC is an exceptional place to live. No, it's not perfect, but it has little in the way of "major challenges" that need to be immediately addressed. PTC doesn't need someone to reinvest the wheel because this wheel is a very good design and works well. Yes, there is Stormwater, something that Brown gagged-on as Mayor. There is the Bank lawsuit. There are golf cart paths that need constant attention. The City doesn't run itself but has the staff to run it. Staff that doesn't need to be harangued and harassed by Steve Brown Mayor for an hour during a marathon Council meeting because the City Planner recommended NO on rezoning the Lutheran church property for a Walgreens. That is
the essense of Steve's "substance." Amnyone who disagrees with him is a permanent enemy for life.

Substance to me is someone who doesn't make promises while they are on the sidelines and has no real way of knowing what is possible and what isn't. Logsdon is going to specifically state a position on most issues because he's not the Mayor yet. What he is promises is to conduct city business as Mayor in a professional, business-like manner. That to me is a lot in this race because I'm on eo fhtose that feel that Steve Brown has turned the Mayor's office into a joke. Graffiti walls, dog parks, teen courts, conspiracies, evil developers and bankers....all of that is nonsense. When people talk about amenities of PTC, a dog park or a graffiti wall isn't what they mean. No one moves here for the possibility of teen court.

Logsdon has a work background of substance. He has held positions in business and realizes that business doesn't get done by threatening, whining and grandstanding. Creating enemies for no reason than the insatiable desire to be "right" doesn't benefit the City come time for SPLOST money and trying to get your fair share of county money due you.

Brown has a lot of substance and we've all seen it. I'm one of those who doesn't like the substance whatsoever and I'm not going by the old adage of "better to deal with the fool you know than the one you don't" I'm ready for a new person to replace a fool.

NUK

Logsdon's words show he wants to assume the Debt.

And Logdson's words state 'begin' and 'years' on Stormwater.

Staff does not authorize those getting done. Council under the Mayor does.

Staff does not authorize expenditures in various areas. Council does.

Debt and Stormwater Utility are issues that do fall under Council control led by the Mayor at this stage in time. And he say 'years' before anything happens.

A truly uneducated statement to say 'years' when he does not have 'years'.

All else and even even more specifics on these issues are 'needs looking into'.

Substance means something tangible. 'Look into it' is not tangible. It is vaporous rhetoric.

Stormwater Utility and widening beginning with repair stages is tangible. You know which issue and what is going to happen.

"I have experience in x, y and z," says nothing of substance on what he is going to do. 'I will look into it' is meaningless when he has had a year to do these things.

You are talking impressions, not substance.

I do believe that PTC Guy is Steve Brown in disguise, and not a very good one, plus, it is repeat, repeat. Vote for Logsdon Dec 6 and have a Brownout!!

I think I've got this down, let me run it by you and see if you agree:
You believe Brown has a better grasp of the issues and more "substance"

I feel that it hardly matters because Logsdon going to win and has convinced enough voters that he can handle the job.

That sound about right? Side bet on tomorrow's results?

NUK

Brown has the better positions on substance. And that is what runs the city.

Tomorrow will tell on the vote. We don't know who will win.

:Tomorrow will tell on the vote. We don't know who will win.

Wow, you're kidding, right?! We don't know who will win yet until the votes are counted? Whoa, you didn't tell us you were in the Mensa Society all this time. That's a brilliant observation.

What I asked was who you thought would win and if you wanted to bet on it. Since everyone you know despises DirectPac and thinks Brown has more substance and all, I thought you might be thinking Brown was going to win. Or maybe you don't know enough people.

Hey, if you're not into predictions, that's fine, I don't mind sticking my neck out and saying mine: Logsdon wins by around a 70%-30% vote. A convincing old-fashioned butt-kicking and what politicans like to call a MANDATE.

GOOOOOOOOO VOTERS!!

NUK

"Turn out the lights, the party's over..."

Remember way back on Monday Night Football back when it was Frank Gifford and Howard Cossell and Don Meredith? Don would belt out that lovely chorus as soon as he KNEW the game was well in hand. I loved that part.

Well, my friends, the game is almost over, and this time tomorrow the champagne is going to be flowing. Harold Logsdon is going to win convincingly (I predict 62-38) and we will indeed have a new beginning in PTC.

Steve, turn out the lights. Your party is over.

Dan Tennant