The city has enough TDK right-of-way for 5 lanes!

Don't for one second believe the baloney that the "city only has enough TDK right-of-way in hand for two lanes" as was reported in the recent Citizen news article.

The PTC council members that are working hard for the developers know very well that they can eventually squeeze 5 lanes into the 80 ft of right-of-way they dedicated in December (five 10 ft wide lanes, plus curb and gutter, equals about 54 ft needed). The city would like more right-of-way, but 80 ft is more than enough. That is why they want an extra wide bridge to accommodate the 4 lane highway that they know is coming on our side. It will be initially striped for 2 lanes, but will be restriped when PTC widens TDK in a couple of years.

The "only have enough right-of-way for 2 lanes" is an outright lie and smoke screen to pacify those that aren't familiar with construction of highways.

Our current council wants you to accept 2 lanes, as do the Coweta developers and their allied Fayette business interests. They will later build 5 lanes in PTC (the 5th "middle lane" will be a turn lane needed in certain places). This is why we cannot accept ANY TDK road at all. Two lanes is a Trojan Horse for the developers. It will lead to a flood of cars and trucks into our small community (50,000 vehicle trips per day, 4500 cars per hour at rush hours.

Now that we will have a McDuff Bypass to 74, we don't need TDK at all. Let developer Reese's 8000 people drive up to 54 and go around us.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 6:04pm.

If you have such a drawing or can get one - please post it here to support your claims. I will be there first thing Monday AM to get a copy from the city of the actual right of way the city owns (or is purchasing) and convert it to a format we can all see.

Your claims may be correct, but as a new poster with only 20 hours senority, it kind of sounds like you have a new idenity for an old argument with a new twist.


Submitted by wrkhrd4it on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 6:18pm.

You are correct R. W. morgan. To start with, lanes are 12 feet wide, minimum. Then there's the median and don't forget all of the drainage and detention as well as utilities, all of which have to be in the ROW. The standard width for a four lane road is 120ft. The 74 south 4 laning, So. of Cooper Lighting, is far more than 120 ft. The 4 laning of the bypass in Newnan is requiring at least 140 ft. If PTC has only acquired 80 feet of ROW , they've only room for 2 lanes.

Submitted by TDK Foe on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 6:38pm.

The issue here is not what is "standard" width. I totally agree with you that 120 ft width is what one would normally obtain for a 4 lane highway. Actually, there are design criteria in various places in many cities/counties that call for more than this. The issue is whether 80 ft will support 4 lanes. It most definitely can support such, and can even include a turn lane. This is why TDK is a Trojan Horse. Who said you need a median? Drive over to Fayetteville tonight and get on Ga 85. Count the lanes and report back to me!!

There are roads all over the US where edge-of-pavement (EOP) is within a few feet of the right-of-way (R-O-W) boundary...some even coincide with the R-O-W.

The liars putting out the "2 lane story" know very well that they can easily widen this road when the time comes. They want the public fooled. I can't be fooled because I know all about this business and what they are up to.

Morgan - - there are no 4 lane plans YET. That can be accomplished in less than 6 months. The survey is already complete. Logsdon and Boone and the other developer-loving council members will get the 4 lanes done later. They know they can't sell the idea now, hence the smoke screen lawsuit.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 7:10pm.

We now know you were blowing your own smoke.
Funny, Steve Brown is on-line right now - probably looking at your (his) answer and the responses. Thanks for confirming you are a new user with an old identity.


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Submitted by Steve Brown on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 7:27pm.

The two-lane vs. four-lane debate is a joke. Any engineer worth a darn is going to tell you to go with four-lanes because of the traffic volume the Coweta developments will create - a no-brainer and I agree. Two lanes would be a disaster.

The Pavilion II in Coweta will die without TDK. Coweta will have to face their own traffic burden without TDK.

Kill TDK. Mayor Logsdon is desperate searching for a decent reason to get people to believe in TDK, good luck.


Submitted by TDK Foe on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 8:33pm.

The TDK traffic counts at peak hours (that our own PTC city engineer presented several months ago) were over 4000 vehicles per hour. A 2 lane road cannot ever support this much traffic. The best the 2 lane road could do is about half this much. Google it and you will see AASHTO and other studies about the maximum capacity of 2 lane roads.

Thus we see that Harold Logsdon is a massive smoke blower, along with the other developer flaks that currently reside up at city hall. The whole gang is planning for 4 lanes, but they can't do it all at once. The conspiracy of PTC elected leaders, Coweta developers, and some Fayette business interests realizes they shot themselves in the foot by revealing the massive McIntosh development too soon. They will thus go with 2 lanes...temporarily. The conspiracy hopes to slip in another stealth council at a later date and get their other 2 lanes...maybe in about 5 years.

The question is thus formed: will the citizens of PTC allow this to happen? Are we that apathetic? Who will rescue PTC? Steve Brown, your day is coming again.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 8:04pm.

How do we get to Newnan after we cross the bridge? Wander through the woods to 34?
Why do we need four lanes to get to the other side of the creek and then back to 2 crooked, crooked lanes to 34.
WE DON'T. They need four lanes to get to 74s 6 lanes!!!!
WHY, oh why, do we want to do this?
Smelly, smelly, smelly.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 2:36pm.

I have said this before: TDK was decided in the smoke filled room long ago.
We will continue to be placated until it is suddenly sprung onto us.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 3:15pm.

I've heard it has been discussed for that long. But now, it is going to cause troubles.

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