Who lost Peachtree City, and who will remember?

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So now that we have a new village in Peachtree City, let’s assess who won, who lost and who is caught facing a run-down between first and second.

Who won?

That’s the easiest to answer. John Wieland Homes and Levitt & Sons, the two developers of the 782 acres and 1,125 homes located west of Ga. Highway 74 and north of the current Wynnmeade and Centennial subdivisions.

At a city-estimated average home price of $350,000, the two developers will gross about $393.75 million.

Yes, that’s more than a third of a billion dollars that hinged on three and four of those five Peachtree City Council votes last Thursday night.

High stakes for what seemed to some who attended as a low comedy of local government gone off its tracks.

Out of that gross revenue of nearly four-tenths of a billion dollars, the two builders will ante up a bridge and a completed MacDuff Parkway to Hwy. 74. What a deal.

Who lost?

Again, that’s easy. The rest of Peachtree City’s residents and parents of school-age children.

The rest of us get increased traffic, increased stress on stretched city services, increased taxes, increased aggravations, etc.

In addition, the school system will get more than 700 added students, forcing a massive realignment of all school zones now serving Peachtree City.

It’s likely that the population changes will force many students now living and attending schools in Peachtree City into schools farther away and outside the city.

For that, don’t blame the school board. Blame your local city council members — all except Judi-ann Rutherford, the sole vote against both annexation requests.

The biggest losers of all?

Current residents of Centennial and Wynnmeade subdivisions.

An extended MacDuff will become — despite promised “traffic-calming” measures — the new PTC Bypass to and from Coweta County.

Many residents on the west side sought another way out of their subdivisions other than Ga. Highway 54, as if they will retain exclusive use of that new throughway.

Not too many years from now, those who are left in Centennial and Wynnmeade will be wondering, “What were we thinking?”

And those caught between first and second?

The members of the City Council and the city’s Planning Commission.

They (Rutherford being the major exception) ignored the city’s land use plan and the clearly demonstrated wishes of a large majority of their constituents and pushed for the worst of the three annexation plans put forward in the past seven years.

The land was zoned for two-acre lots in the county, a zoning that had withstood a court challenge, until the two local bodies gave away the farm to get a bridge.

Will Peachtree City voters remember how four of the five council members ditched the majority of city residents when the stakes grew into the hundreds of millions of dollars?

I can’t predict PTC voters. They sometimes demonstrate remarkably short memories. But the West Village is with us now, and will be there for all future councils to come.

Given the 3,000 new city residents coming to the West Village, and the 8,000-plus planned for developments along the extended TDK Boulevard within five miles of the new village and the massive commercial projects close by, we will all remember these as the good old days.

Let’s hope PTC voters will remember who voted for the most growth as well as the densest growth within PTC in the past 15 years: Mayor Harold Logsdon, council members Stephen Boone, Cyndi Plunkett and Stuart Kourajian.

Will these four — Logsdon, Boone, Plunkett and Kourajian — be known in coming decades as the ones who lost Peachtree City?

I think the only legacy left to consider is how much more of Peachtree City’s heritage of careful planning will they end up trashing.

TDK and Hwy. 74 South are still to be decided. We can only hope — without much supporting evidence — that our leaders will do the right thing.

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Submitted by DragNet on Mon, 05/21/2007 - 8:37pm.

Logsdon, Boone, Plunkett and Kourajian. History will remember their legacy to PTC: from a nice, livavble town to a drive-thru for Cowetans in their rush to I-85.

How can the upcoming mess be mitigated? Once the new Parkway and the 4-lane TDK Blvd allow the hordes of cars into PTC, we will be doomed. Ideas?

Making you think twice......

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 05/29/2007 - 7:15pm.

Let's throw them all out and let Judi be mayor. Then we can shut off all growth and .... and... what? be happy? Be smug we killed off the developers? Walk around the undeveloped land, maybe create another dog park and be happy we pay higher taxes? Try to sell our overpriced $200,000 homes for $300,000 and explain away the $5,000 annual tax bill?

No growth, no progress and higher taxes. Who is going to run on that platform, spooky guy? You up to it?

So, do you like my new picture? meow

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 05/29/2007 - 8:06pm.

Why must you continually ignore "good" growth, as opposed to growth whereever someone you know owns the land----regardless if it puts a big box, and some scum customers, beside $400,000 houses?
You are not that ignorant, just selfish and non-thinking.
Put all monstrosities in a consumer area!

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 05/14/2007 - 5:53am.

Let's compare your coverage (albeit an editorial opinion) of the West Village rezonong with that of Kevin Duffey who appeared in the AJC this morning.
Let's ask the readers which is more informative - a one-sided negative chicken little diatribe? Or an article with real people quoted and even some differences of opinion - pictures too.
Naturally, the strongly opinionated can't even analyze a question on style without injecting their own viewpoint into i and some will start in on personality - yours or Kevin's, but let's see if we can learn from our reeaders which style is more appealing to them.

So, do you like my new picture? meow

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 5:55am.

Somewhere about the time the old food factory sold out, to get rid of workers pensions, at the corner of 54/74, and the Avenue was built, the decision had been made by "master planners," and old money, to get control of the land on the west side, elect sociable council members and mayors, and make a literal fortune out of a swamp and a trash dump.
None of us (few anyway) had a clue at that time!
Other business was also developed (Walker concrete and others) to supply the building demand.
All this is nothing new, anywhere, except we touted our "planned" city image in order to get the infrastructure started for the kill later. Several millionaires have been born.
It is just a mini-Bush administration as it applies to oil, banks, insurance companies, and government contractors.
Things get done quickly but for the benefit of the dribble downers. It would be much better to have done over 75 years what has been done in 20.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 8:54am.

Or the planners who have been in charge since you claim of "manster planners"? Remember, the original plan called for 80,000 plus with many more condos and apartments.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 10:17am.

What does "you claim of manster planners" mean?
Yes wouldn't it have been better to put the condos and apartments at Starr's Mill or near the Airport? Planning makes the difference, which means we don't change the zoning, for the benefit of the landowners.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 12:34pm.

You used the term "master planners" in your original reply.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 1:12pm.

"manster planners" means master planners? I got it.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 1:45pm.

for sure. Manster, master, what's an extra N between folks. I can see now why it could have been hard to follow. Smiling

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 05/08/2007 - 9:34pm.

I say, let it out. You must feel better, that sure is a TON of it.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 05/08/2007 - 10:16pm.

And Some Don't. Oh well Dawg & Robert. You like McDonough, Henry and Coweta Counties so much? Well, you've got it. This uncontrolled growth hurts all of Fayette County... Not just PTC. I just don't get it Dawg??? You've complained about Henry County's rabid growth and you move here to get away??? Why did you bother? Guess you wanted to spread your misery on us.

Guess the rest of us will start slowly pulling out and we're going to to give you Riverdale and Fairburn next. Gosh I hope I can get out of my house what I poured into it.


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Fri, 05/11/2007 - 6:26pm.

That is exactly why I live here. Mcdonoughdawg has got it right - Henry County is a planning and transportation disaster, although it took the 30 years to get there. Peachtree City and most of Fayette County is not a disaster, instead it is a huge planning and transportation success. Sure enough, more people living here will slow you down 1 or 2 traffic lights getting to your favorite shop at The Avenue. That a big problem for anyone? Is that why we are going to be like Henry County? They have to drive through their traffic and ours and even others to get to Victoria's Secret. We have a 10 minute trip which is very important on a Friday night. I have more to say ####### *************............. sorry I have to go now.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 8:49am.

I don't see it as uncontrolled. It would have been that way if it was in Henry County. It is not.

If anyone thinks this land wasn't going to be annexed by either PTC or Tyrone, I think they are dreaming a great dream. I simply don't understand the hoopla about this being annexed. It's contigious to the city, and in my opinion offers a benefit. That has always been my biggest reason for being for this annexation. I felt it would happen with one city or the other. I have also been in the Levitt developement in Cherokee County, and it is a very nicely done.

I think this has been envisioned by many for years. Is the overall density of this annexation that much different than the West Village now, or PTC as a whole, or where many of the complainers live? (by the way, none of them will say what the density in their subdivision of PTC is). I found a home here that was developed around 25 years ago, not everyone is fortunate enough to do that here.

Furthermore, if you think this area is ANYTHING like Henry County, you are sadly mistaken. Unfortunately, I have to travel over that way about once a week, and believe me, there is no comparison.

The folks that live in Centennial/Wynnmeade now will have to deal with the so called by-pass, not me. They were for it.

I'm not trying to say this is perfect, but I think it is the best fit for PTC and the West Village. But hey, if we both agreed on everything, one of us not needed.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 10:20am.

I actually knew a developer once who said " I don't want very much, only all the land that adjoins what I own."
Same next time. also!

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 12:36pm.

That is what they do, develop. By someone's definition anyways. Smiling

I'm quite sure that someone was mad in 1957 when they got the bright idea to put 80,000 folks in this new fangled town of Peachtree City.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 05/08/2007 - 6:48pm.

First of all, you are entitled to your opinion - as we all are, but your bully pulpit seems to be taking over your judgment - notice I did not say "recently".

1. Nothing was lost, there are no individual winners and no losers at all. Peachtree City and it's citizens and taxpayers won big time.
2. Traffic shortcuts a problem for you? What about Golfview, Holly Grove Church Road and Planterra Way? Aberdeen Parkway and Blue Smoke? Sumner Road through Smoke Rise? And the most famous of all - Peachtree Parkway North (which actually has driveways and mailboxes)?
3. Who will rmember? You must be kidding. Or perhaps you are trying to whip up support for the "anybody but Logsdon" candidates in the next election so you can sell some newspapers - sort of like last time in reverse.
4. Posting revenue numbers in a foolish attempt to make it appear that developer money bought the council's vote is pretty transparent and very much a Democrat's trick. I must point out that one needs revenue in order to build the bridge. I must also point out that gross revenue is not the same as profit. Levitt and Wieland will make about 8% real profit off of that "revenue" number. Be honest - not inflamatory.
5. Remember? Again? Logsdon and company pale in comparison to the damage Stalder, Savage and Parlontierri did in the the 1980's and 1990's. Does anybody remember that? No and no one here will remember this annexation of $350+ houses - except fondly.
6. Well, no one except Steve Brown who will keep flogging that pony to try and keep the memory alive and further his ant-establishment creditentials and you have proven that you are more than willing to give him free and unlimited ink for whatever reason, but aside from that - the good citizens of Peachtree City will forget everything and live another day to play tennis (cheaply) and golf (also very cheap) and go shopping.

Sorry Cal, this is not a watershed moment. It is city government doing the job they were elected to do - properly and quickly.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 05/08/2007 - 8:18pm.

Peachtree Citizen Survey Preliminary Results Page 9.

Now that the current, soon to be former, Mayor and most of the, soon to be former, city council members have ignored 93% of the polled PTC citizens I don't see a problem with DUMPING them at the next election.

They have ignored the land use plan and they have ignored the citizens.

I hope that they take it personally when we IGNORE them when election time rolls around.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Mon, 05/21/2007 - 7:44pm.

If the election were held today, Logsdon would win hands down. Of course, the election is not being held today and no one is running against him which obviously makes it easier, but that's the way it is - today May 21, 2007.

In 2 or 3 years when he runs again, who is going to oppose him? Who has a plan to get him out of office? Do you think the crap posted on these blogs has anything to do with how people vote?

I don't think he will run again, which makes the Mayor's race more interesting - as the candidates would all be newbies - kind of like the 2008 Presidential thing.

So, who would run? If Harold is out, certainly Judi-Ann and probably Stuart (although he has to get past his next election). Sam Chapman, Allison Chambers, Rick Viall and maybe even Dan Tennant (I think he is bad_ptc) would try and fill the void and certainly Steve Brown or his flunky at the Assn. of HOA's - Van something - could not resist (politics can be as addictive as drugs or alcohol). Peter Pfeifer will have been dislodged from County Commission by then and he may run. Praise the Lord that Steve Rapson has moved to Sandy Springs and Herb Frady is too old.

So, if those are your choices, I would stick with Harold and encourage him to run for a second term. Otherwise, your Mayor would be __________? Who? And Why?

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 05/21/2007 - 8:38pm.

Who knew??? Ummm, ok, soooo obviously you have stumbled onto all of the hot places on the paths to score drugs. Hey, it's a free country bud, and the cops never patrol anyway......go for it.

"logson would win hands down" That's a good one!

Here is another good one: pigs will sprout wings out of their butts and fly to the moon.

I know several people who fell for harold's lies, and they are all very disappointed. Not one of them would pee on him if he was on fire.

You go back to your illegal drugs now...

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 05/22/2007 - 5:43am.

I said Logsdon would win an election if held today. That does not mean he will win the hearts and minds of those that blog here. It does not mean that he will be invited to your neighborhood cocktail parties. It does mean that he would receive the majority of the votes in a city wide election - which is how it was done last time and how it will be done next time.

You can't have a loser unless you have a winner and so far not one of you has come up with the name of someone who could beat Logsdon. In fact no one has named anyone who could beat Boone or Plunkett - which is far easier. Or the other 2 who are actually expiring this year or next.

Even Brown who was defintely a loser didn't officially become one until his (many) opponents emerged and declared themselves candidates for mayor.

So, who's it going to be? Who is strong enough to challenge Logsdon and win?

After you name someone, the next question will be what does he or she stand for and why is this person running against an incumbent mayor. This is going to be diffcult for many of you here to accept, but the fact is that the majority of voters support the annexation, so that can't be a winning election issue. TDK extension is more inflamatory and I'm sure coucil will make the wrong decision since there is not a correct decision or at least not one obvious decision that can't be criticized. But here again, the new candidate for mayor will have to anser the question "How would you have handled it?"

Tricky business running for public office.

Submitted by TDK Foe on Mon, 05/21/2007 - 8:15pm.

You are nuts if you think he could win again. Several of us were talking about Telephone Lineman Logsdon at a neighborhood party...he is universally reviled. Most of the people actually supported him only because they thought he was a kindly grandfather type that would keep trash off the cart paths and cut some ribbons for bike races. Were we ever wrong!! I supported him, and I admit my huge mistake.

I think Harold knew this when he ran as the stealth candidate for the developers and business interests. He was to be "sacrificed" with only one term, but in that term they would score BIG by getting TDK and the Westside Annexation.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 5:36am.

You mean since 7% said they support growth through annexation that 93% must oppose it? That's bogus to begin with, but the survey you cite was distribured only to a select few in the city (yes, I got one) and is worthless for making decisions on particular projects.

A better survey was the one a couple of years ago when Logsdon, Plunkett and Boone got elected by stating that they were either for or would consider this very annexation. They won the election and voted for the annexation. Now you may not like that or even them and you can vote for whoever you want to next time around, but don't try and portray city leadership as being irresponsible or voting against the wishes of the majority - they did what they were elected to do.

And those that are speaking of "uncontrolled growth" and citing Riverdale (poor Riverdale) as an example - get over it and grow up. This is "Controlled" growth in the strict style of Peachtree City. Just like the good old days when there was one responsible landowner (Equitable - not PCDC) and a strong planning department in the city. Today we have 2 landowners who presented weaker planning department with their own plan, but the results are the same - a whole village planned by a few people. That is not like Riverdale which was planned 1 parcel at a time by thousands of people (none of whom cared about how the neighboring parcels were used) over 30 years.

Submitted by johenry on Thu, 05/10/2007 - 12:33pm.

What about the issues raised from the PTC Civic Association? Steve had a valid point about totally neglecting some very serious issues.

Harold Logsdon said he was going to reduce taxes and end the fighting with the good old boys and that's what got his support. He lied on the taxes! But the good old boys are singing all the way to the bank. Like just about everything, the mayor never gave any details on any of the issues. I don't think he has the ability to come up with details. The city's survey is important as it asked a specific question on annexation.

The big box store across from Wilshire is not controlled growth as planned. TDK with all its problems is not controlled growth.

The only good thing about Harold's situation is there's not a whole lot of land left for him to screw up. His actions are definitely a step toward Riverdale and he'll get us as close to that as he can.

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 05/16/2007 - 6:06am.

Steve Brown has not had a valid point for years. He has no credibility whatsoever since he drew opponents like flies in the last election and lost to a novice. The so-called "Civic Association" also has no credibility when it is obvious they are taking their marching orders from a washed up and bitter ex-politician who is desperately searching for a platform.

Another way of saying the same thing is that even if Brown and his cronies bring up something that looks like it might be a good point - it is not simply because he or they brought it up. This perception is not just with me. It is the entire city staff who had to endure 4 years of his childish behavior. Needless to say, the elected officials of city and county feel the same way.

Civic Association - break away from the brown clown, you have no future unless you do.

So, do you like my new picture? meow

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 05/16/2007 - 7:55am.

Mudcat, what you can’t seem to grasp is that SB was one of the first vocal citizens of PTC that bucked the “good-ol-boy” system of govt.

The PTCCA is an organized collection of some 20+ HOA’s, or some 2,500 PTC citizens, that are fed up with the “good-ol-boy” system.

The current Mayor and CC are going to be remembered as the last developer, bought and paid for, administration of PTC.

That you and you alone seem unable to get through you head is that there are indeed “others” that disagree with how things are being managed by the current Mayor and CC.

I can’t wait to see just how some of our currently elected officials are going to run for office. Their slogans will read something like, “I Voted for ALL Development Projects Presented”, or “You can BUY My Vote Anytime” or “I SUPPORT Unneeded and Unwanted Development”. It may not be true, but like you said, it’s the impression they’ve created for themselves.

On the issue of annexation the folks that are going to be affected by it the most wanted it. The Centennial subdivision is a member of the PTCCA. Had you bothered to read what the PTCCA submitted you would have found that the PTCCA didn’t oppose the annexation but rather wanted to get the best deal possible for one of its members. More land for schools was one of the major issues.

Somehow you seem to have forgotten the firestorm just a few months ago when the FCBoE announced there redistricting plan. All I can now is wait and see what happens to school redistricting once these new subdivisions start to come on line.

On the issue of TDK, the current Mayor and CC haven’t done their homework that they said they did. Their using a 2000 census study that stated that 5,000 commuters come from Coweta County into Fayette County to work each day.

Mayor Logdson’s main argument for building TDK is based on elevating the traffic through 54/74 for the Industrial area. The current administration hasn’t done a study of how many Coweta commuters work in the Industrial area. So how could they know?

All I’ve been hearing from the Mayor is that TDK was proposed 20 years ago. Why is it so difficult to admit that TDK was a bad idea 20 years ago and it’s an even worse idea today?

Why don’t you and the rest of the developer kool-aid drinkers do a study and tell us ignorant folks what the projected road improvements that are going to be needed will cost us? Try to use a number in the 10’s of millions to at least have some credibility.

I estimate that this one road project will consume somewhere close to 25% of all the SPLOST money the county has after you add in all the ancillary improvements that will be needed. Oh, and the SPLOST money that was envisioned coming from sales tax in Fayette County will be going to the new shopping centers in Coweta. The projected total SPLOST monies is around $115 million.

Do you have any idea what it costs to widen a two lane road to a four lane road? Try about $11 million a mile. A stop light on PTC parkway and Crosstown will run you about $75,000. Don’t forget to add in the intersection improvements or the moving of utilities and the purchase of the right-of-way. The natural buffers PTC has been so adamant about will disappear too.

Don’t believe me, look it up. The DOT has lots of information available for you to read.

As per the Fayette County WEB site:
To review a list of roads and streets planned for resurfacing during the 2007 paving season, please click here. The resurfacing of this list of roads will be funded through a combination of the county’s local budget funds and the state’s LARP Program. It is important to note that while county officials plan to complete the list of roads shown here, funds may not be available to complete all of the roads next year. With the uncertainty of asphalt prices (since it is a petroleum product) and the unknown allocation of LARP funds to the county from the state, there may or may not be enough funds available to complete the list next year alone. Any not completed next year will be automatically scheduled for the following year.

Link to FC WEB page.

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 05/18/2007 - 7:15pm.

You said "The PTCCA is an organized collection of some 20+ HOA’s, or some 2,500 PTC citizens, that are fed up with the “good-ol-boy” system."

Actually the PTCCA is a disorganized group of bunglers who promised 10 (not 20+) HOA's that they would represent their interests at City Council meetings. Some HOA's declined because they knew the PTCCA had a political agenda, but of course - other HOA's signed on because they were too lazy to advance their own agenda.

I remember when they came to our HOA which was only attended by 10 members and another 10 hangers-on and it was a sad and pitiful bunch of people. They are socialists looking for a forum and they say things like "Major political figures are behind our efforts" What dopes they are.

The claim that 2,500 PTC citizens are involved is another example of the big lie at work. 2,500 PTC citizens is over 10% of the adult population and if you think you have that many on on your side or even the other side about any issue at all - you are smoking bad dope.

There are not more than 100 people in PTC that actually care about politics in this town and all seem to be blogging here and writing Free Speech snippets. Although it must be said, no one really wants to step forward and actually do anything - all they do is critique others.

So, do you like my new picture? meow

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 05/16/2007 - 7:07am.

Is the real reason that you are so venomous and "Basmati like" to Steve Brown due to the fact that he was mayor and you were not?


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 05/09/2007 - 6:34am.

The city leaders had the poll designed and determined the population of respondents, not me.

They apparently didn't like what the people "THEY ASKED" had to say and went about ignoring them.

I have no problem with appropriately planned and executed growth. If you're not growing, you're dieing.

As I've stated before, this current city council will be remembered for the damage they've caused and for their total disregard for the citizens of PTC.

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Submitted by KraftyFla on Tue, 05/08/2007 - 7:49pm.

Bobby Morgan is delusional to suggest that this result was the product of harmonious team play. Doesn’t a split vote of 3-2 kind of clue you in there a little bit? Wieland, with his government affirmative action mortgage financing, could afford to fund a simple road.

The fact that this was zoned for 2 acre lots and that Peachtree City, in effect, emasculated the County Plan is extraordinary. Harold Logsdon gets a pat on the back from Stinchcomb for pulling off what Stinchcomb could not accomplish with his own attempted annexation into Fayetteville.

This is a planning disaster for Peachtree City and is far worse than any previous proposal.

The operative facts are very simple:

(1) FACT: Residential development is always a negative financial proposition to local government. Homes drain city and county services at a far greater rate than contributed taxes;

(2) FACT: Residential development re-zonings should be accomplished only after a infrastructure analysis and plan, neither of which occurred here. As a consequence, educational costs skyrocket and it is not possible to plan school construction in any manner other than one which is haphazard. This is frankly one of the biggest shortcomings of Georgia government- a bifurcation between zoning and education.

Parents of school children in Peachtree City are in for a rude awakening. The result will be disruptive. For example, any child currently enrolled at Kedron Elementary will attend Sandy Creek High School.

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