from his site

“I don’t think a perpetrator should get less time behind bars because he wasn’t motivated by hate. This legislation implies that violent crime isn’t as bad if it’s random or simply senseless. I disagree. I think they’re equally despicable and the law should treat them equally harsh.”

Not bad.
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the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God.
John F. Kennedy's Inaugural Address- 1961

It would be good if Kennedy's quote were tatooed on every lawmakers forehead so that they could look at each other and read that before they vote on whatever stupid crap they eventually vote for.

Kennedy was a Democrat, albeit one with a brain.

Yeah, Kennedy was a heckuva influence. It was during his term as President that the Supreme Court invented the "Separation of Church and State".

But it doesn't change the fact that Wastemoreland is an incompetent embarrassment and has to go.

VOTE AGAINST WESTMORELAND.... And against Seabaugh too.

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but things like this are what gets him elected. He speaks frankly and from the heart on things that hit home. I for one, am glad to have his vote in the House on issues such as these.

I still say they ALL spend too much. Bush should have had his Veto pen out early and often, and we wouldn't be hearing the phrase "Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi"

That's about it for me on the National Issues for a while.

Someone wrote that for him. He's not that smart. I've known him for 20 years and used to campaign for him. Trust me.... there's nothing up there.

If you desire to challenge what I say then I beg you to list his accomplishments. Accomplishments besides TDK that is.

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News

- Pay for Katrina relief with cuts in other areas

In order for me to vote for funding for post-Katrina relief and rebuilding, I want to see congressional oversight and strict accountability for the billions and billions spent.

- Westmoreland statement on $51,800,000,000.00 spending bill

The legislation allocates funds to federal agencies with barely any explanation, except for one thing we know — that not a dime of the $51.8 billion will be spent on reconstruction in the affected areas. The funding is only for immediate response over and above the $10 billion we are already spending. This legislation holds no one responsible, and I cannot in good conscience allow such a tremendous amount of taxpayer’s money to be spent without holding someone accountable for its disbursement.

but one of my major concerns with the government response to disasters in general is the tendency to throw money at problems with very little accountability on how that money is being spent.

-May 3 - U.S. Rep. Lynn Westmoreland voted against the Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2007, which passed the House today. *****

Well, you have to give him some credit!

If when catastrophes happen it was required to justify every dime, before or after, nothing would happen except government employees would get a lot of overtime.
Liberals know that and just put the money out there. Some will at least benefit.
Halliburton works the same way, as does all wars.
It is a way to avoid giving ANYTHING, I am not fooled.

"It is a way to avoid giving ANYTHING" -- What part of $51.8+ BILLION equates to nothing?

It wasn't "giving"; it was welfare. There is no place in the Constitution that justifies taking money from one citizen to "give" to another.

Giving is what is done privately; tax and buy votes is what politicians do.

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A few excerpts from "Not Yours To Give" by Col. David Crockett, U.S. Representative from Tennessee

Col. Crockett's rebuke to Congress:

We must not permit our respect for the dead or our sympathy for part of the living to lead us into an act of injustice to the balance of the living. I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has not the power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member on this floor knows it. We have the right as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we have no right to appropriate a dollar of the public money.

An earlier rebuke from a constituent of Col. Crockett's:

I do not see how it [voting to give away public funds] can be mended, but you gave a vote last winter which shows that either you have not capacity to understand the Constitution, or that you are wanting in the honesty and firmness to be guided by it. In either case you are not the man to represent me.

The Constitution, to be worth anything, must be held sacred, and rigidly observed in all its provisions. The man who wields power and misinterprets it is the more dangerous the honest he is.

It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle. In the first place, the government ought to have in the Treasury no more than enough for its legitimate purposes. . . . The power of collecting and disbursing money at pleasure is the most dangerous power that can be entrusted to man.

As the Constitution neither defines charity nor stipulates the amount, you are at liberty to give to any and everything which you may believe, or profess to believe, is a charity and to any amount you may think proper. You will very easily perceive what a wide door this would open for fraud and corruption and favoritism, on the one hand, and for robbing the people on the other.

Individual members may give as much of their own money as they please, but they have no right to touch a dollar of the public money for that purpose.

The people have delegated to Congress, by the Constitution, the power to do certain things. To do these, it is authorized to collect and pay moneys, and for nothing else. Everything beyond this is usurpation, and a violation of the Constitution.

So you see, you have violated the Constitution in what I consider a vital point. It is a precedent fraught with danger to the country, for when Congress once begins to stretch its power beyond the limits of the Constitution, there is no limit to it, and no security for the people.

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From CBS News

Scammers hoping to finance tropical vacations or season tickets to football games with federal disaster funds may have second thoughts following House passage of legislation imposing sentences of up to 30 years for fraud related to disaster relief.

Federal Emergency Management Agency was defrauded of up to $1.4 billion as it rushed to provide relief after last year's hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Congress provided more than $68 billion in relief to the Gulf Coast after those two storms.

"With such vast resources put into the pipeline so quickly, fraudsters and scam artists went into high gear in an effort to take advantage of these government programs."

The Government Accountability Office study that came out last week cited such examples as FEMA paying an individual $2,358 in rental assistance at the same time it was paying about $8,000 for the same person to stay 70 nights in a Hawaii hotel.

It said FEMA ended up paying for pro football tickets, a one-week Caribbean vacation and a sex change procedure.

[From September 2005 to May 2006] 261 people have been charged in 218 cases, with 44 guilty pleas or convictions.

Among those sentenced so far are a Galveston, Texas, man given a year in prison for bilking FEMA of $2,000 by falsely claiming he had a home damaged in Louisiana and a Florida man given a 21-month sentence for falsely claiming he was flying relief missions to Louisiana and soliciting charitable donations.

Courts in Florida have also been trying cases related to an estimated $31 million in possible fraud arising from Hurricane Frances in 2004.

Last year, two Miami women pleaded guilty to fraud charges for collecting disaster aid for a storm that hit 100 miles to the north of them. One woman, who received nearly $25,000 for a sewer backup that occurred weeks before the hurricane, was given two months' house arrest, three years' probation and ordered to repay the government for the claim.

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Not only did taxpayers lose the money that these criminals stole, but taxpayers also had to pay to apprehend, bring to trial, and incarcerate them also.

What part of fraud can you not understand?

Mlle. Quixote

For those who don't want to read Darvo Denise's lengthy screed, the Reader's Digest version:

"Better 100 white families go needy than one 'rhymes with bigger' get something they aren't entitled to!"

Yes folks, that is Connor's Conditional Christianist Compassion at it's finest!

I'm still waiting for your explanation for why you use "DARVO" in connection with me when you're the one having a “creepy” (to use your word describing Mark) sexual conservation with a young girl.

Your many logical fallacies reveal your lack of debate skills and lack of substance. Try acquiring critical thinking skills before you resort to fallacious ad hominem attacks.

You're not Reader's Digest quality, not even for the joke section. Sorry

Acceptable alliteration, though.

I wasn't going to read the whole thing till you posted, so I read it, you'll have to point out to me the part you posted about, I think you're rabble rousing here. I can't find anything about race here.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Re-reading this thread, you are correct, I was a bit hasty in my conclusions. Darvo Denise does not restrict the hatred in her soul to any one particular race, creed, color, sexual orientation or national origin, she spews her venom equally and without favor in all directions.

Perhaps a better way to summarize her little jihad would be to say "Better 100 needy people do without, than have one unqualified person benefit".

Darvo Denise makes her living on the fringes of society, they thrive upon the exception to the rule, the anecdote, etc ("the vaccine should not be approved! Jane Doe was vaccinated and had a car accident on the way home from her doctor! Coincidence?")

I saw a bumper sticker this morning (oddly enough, in a church parking lot!!) that summed up Darvo Denise's pathetic existence of situational sanctimony and conditional Christianist compassion:

"There are none so blind as those who will Nazi"

Amen.

Darvo Denise does not restrict the hatred in her soul to any one particular race, creed, color, sexual orientation or national origin, she spews her venom equally and without favor in all directions.

Bas... Not only are you disingenuous but you are an over-sized protruding appendage. Thank God you wield no power. Basmati in power would reflect the leadership qualities of his idol Hitler and Bin Laden. Good grief dude. Dispense with the hate. You're about as consistent and credible as $.

"There are none so blind as those who will Nazi"

Your self descriptive statement summarizes just who you are or what you're capable of becoming.

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"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".

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Those who can win a war well can rarely make a good peace, and those who could make a good peace would never have won the war. ~ Winston Churchill

I'll wage the war (with any other volunteers), & let others make the peace.

Got two messages from you two, but both just went to something stupid. You are either banned, or trying to get me to read some idiotic snippets put together by war mongers.

If bluster and words can win a war, then you are a general. Churchill is dead but the Queen lives..and apparently always will in England.

In all honesty I don't remember Denise getting in the backseat that day, but I do agree that bas is over the top here.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

This will be my last word on this subject, the only venom I gave seen spewed here is from you, Denise preaches and lectures, you spew and condemn, you both make points but you both are such fanatics you you cease to debate, but attempt to bludgen each other with rhetoric.
Good luck to you both, I, like Hack, will take this in from the sidelines, and hope to not get splattered.

ps, Denise and you too mixer and penguin, Enigma once likened argueing with Dollar to slamming your hand in a car door, it took me a while to get it, but I so agree with him, now when I feel the urge to reply, I just slam a hand, it's easier and much better on my blood pressure. Good day to you all.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

A fanatic is a person marked or motivated by an extreme, unreasoning, irrational enthusiasm for a cause.

[Latin fānāticus, inspired by orgiastic rites, pertaining to a temple, from fānum, temple.]

Well, that definitely doesn't describe "preacher" "prudeness" Denise!

A fanatic is one who holds views, especially political views, that deviate drastically and fundamentally from conventional or traditional beliefs.

Definitely not Denise. I'm about as "conventional or traditional" as you can get.

I knew that you were mad at me.

I'm trying to follow your advice of returning a knock-out punch when Bas hits me in the face first. (Bludgeon is a little extreme, don't you think? Besides, the conflict would be over all to quickly and fans might demand their money back!)

As far as failing to debate, I give reasons (well, maybe too many for some here) for my positions and let the readers decide. It's impossible to debate with someone who side-steps the issues and diverts by using personal attacks instead of logic.

I'll continue "punching back" as long as Bas/MAV hurls the insults. It's not at all like slamming my hand against a door; in fact, it's quite stress relieving as long as I keep the venom in check (at least I try). Back to having more fun!

I wonder what's on the cartoon channel? Maybe I should see if any boxing (kick-boxing?) is on (definitely not "wrestling"!).

Enjoy the sidelines!

Fanatic, noun, person motivated by irrational enthusiasm
adj, marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea.
See anyone we know Denise, maybe we use different dictionary's. I also think bludgeon was the word I was looking for, as for mr being mad at you, you presume too much, not to be mean, but I don't much care one way or another. I never said to return a knockout punch, I said I don't turn the other cheek, I hit back.Next time save the lecture for someone else, your little discourse on cursing took up five lengths on my monitor.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Bas/MAV frequently uses the logical fallacy of ignoratio elenchi. Notice that he does not address the original issue; rather, he makes a deliberate attempt to change the subject or divert the argument.

He does not point out where Col. Crockett, his constituent, or my logic is faulty. He diverts attention from the real issue of excessive spending (or even the Constitutionality of the spending) and fraud to an attack on me by using the negatively charged words screed and Christianist.

He weakly tries to discredit my arguments by implying that I’m a sexual pervert by using the term “Darvo” (a fallacy called argumentum ad hominem) but he never gives any evidence to support his implication. He has never answered my questions about his “creepy” (to use his word describing Mark) conservation with a young girl; he responds by using a term about sexual predator behavior to describe me. Again, his logical abilities fail him.

He frequently uses the rhetorical tactic of mocking his opponent's argument with an extremely absurd "interpretation" in an attempt to inspire an emotional reaction against his opponent. By implying that I'm a bigot or racist, he misrepresents my position in order to mislead and misdirect the argument so that he will not have to refute my actual position. He wants the negative emotion that many feel toward bigots (or Christians) to spill over to the position that is set forth so that subconsciously the argument for governmental accountability will be rejected at the same time that bigotry is denounced.

He attempts to exploit the emotions or intellectual or psychological weaknesses of the audience (a trap into which we all can unwittingly fall) to obscure the illogical connections between his statements and the original argument. It is a form of manipulation that works especially well with oral arguments because one cannot go back and re-read to make certain the facts. He wants his audience to assume that his opponent’s position is defeated when actually all he has done is to side-step answering it.

By using the word lengthy he wants to discourage readers from the mental effort of finding out for themselves what was actually written, and he uses the words Reader's Digest to give validity to his “summation.” He arrogantly assumes that the readers are too uneducated (or lazy) to read the post. The superior Bas/MAV must be the interpreter for ignorant, indolent commoners.

He also never gives any reasons why any person (white or black) is “entitled” to these funds. He haughtily assumes that he doesn’t have to provide reasons for his position; the commoners should accept his highness’s proclamations without question.

In a debate he would be laughed off the platform.

Please understand I wasn't supporting your position or argument as the case may be, I was just pointing out bas was a little overboard there. I think if our government can export billions of dollars to other countries they can spend some here on our own rebuilding.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

We elect our representatives to Washington They spend the money, the constitution allows them to do so.
I don't gripe when congress gives Halliburton undocumented money, or shows the airlines pity by donating billions, or builds Ted Stevens a bridge to NOWHERE in Alaska!
It is called "spreading the money around," or "dribble down" economics.
How many Interstate miles would you build denise, if the feds didn't do it? Never mind that the roadbuilding Industry is as crooked as Jimmy Hoffa.
Why should the feds guarantee banks (FDIC) to lend money to many who shouldn'd get it? How much did the Savings and Loan fiasco cost you in taxes, denise. A Bush brother made off with some of that.
It depends upon whose ox is being gored by the bull whether or not you work on Sunday to free the bull! Yours, Ok. Mine, no.

Maybe "from the heart" was over the top. I'm in total agreement that he didn't write that. But he did vote that way. I'm willing to say that most all of the Reps and Senators don't write what is put out in press releases.

As far as accomplishments, I wish he was on record for voting against spending more often. Here's a URL of the best thing I could find with quick notice. Use cut and paste. He seems to fit his constituency.

http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/house/cons.htm?o1=con_composite&o2=desc#vr

To obtain a voting record that will get you elected by your constituents. You and I are bright enough to do that. I guess a consolation is that even though he's our dummy.... at least our dummy votes right. Gosh...that sort of thinking makes me feel real dirty all over. Kind of like staring (lusting) at Cindy Crawford for over a minute while my bride is doing my laundry.

Sorry Dawg. I want more than a conservative acting sock puppet. I want a leader that I can fight honorably beside. Would you follow Wastemoreland to battle? Not me. That would be way, way, way, too embarrassing.

Kind of like a Kool-Aid drinking Democrat chasing after Hillary or Gore.

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I think the Feds have way too much power. I think they could get their business done in 6 months or less.

I still say, they less they do, the better off we are.

2ndly, City Hall was crowded tonight. I was going to the meeting to hear them out, but there was no room at the Inn. I settled for a pizza and a cold one at Partners.

Mor than 2/3 of those attendees at city hall for the west side thing were "paid" to be there.
They either worked for Wieland, developers, or banks.
Nobody had you or I in mind!

"He speaks frankly and from the heart..." WOW---- for example: (1) "I voted for torture" (2) "Do-nothinger" (3) Three Commandments out of ten.

I know kindergartners who speak frankly from the heart. That doesn't mean they are qualified to be in Congress or serve as Governor.

Wastemoron thourougly defrauded us when he said he was for less government and lower taxes. He has done just the opposite. As if that wasn't bad enough, he pushed to put in the TDK developer highway. I agree with GR; he fooled us all with the "Think Majority" crap.

I agree, it wasn't from the heart.