I’ll take a few minutes to respond. This will be long, but I appreciate the opportunity to state my agenda! Thanks for the opportunity.

For writing three letters to the editor and two blogs on The Citizen News, I have been called a liar, said that I can not do simple mathematic functions, said that I have a personal agenda because I life in Planterra Ridge, suggest I have a personal agenda because I own a boat?, state that I am a crony of Steve Brown, that I do not write my own letters, and that I am apparently stupid for supporting Steve Brown. In general, my ears perk up when I see such a coordinated campaign using such negative personal tactics, huge sums of money, against a Mayor who has done a pretty good job during the past four years. I get concerned when I see tens of thousands of dollars being spent on political consultants, professional ads, annoying telephone calls and surveys, for a $9K per year Mayoral position. What’s the agenda behind that?

Well, since inquiring minds want to know: What is the real agenda behind my limited participation in this mayoral race? Why am I supporting Steve Brown?

My personal Agenda:

* Limit Annexation and high density residential growth in Peachtree City. I do not like school overcrowding. I do not like my school taxes and indebtedness to go up tremendously due to overcrowding. School taxes dwarf the city taxes on my tax bill. Like most, I do not like increased taxes.

* Quality city services (fire, police, recreation, infrastructure) maintained at very high standards – even if it does mean increased city taxes. This protects my home values!

* Open and honest government. I want to know that my elected representatives are honest, allow for open debate, and avoid conflicts of interests. This is the core value to government operating effectively.

* Mobility! Ability to get where I want to go with a minimum of commute time. As a frequent traveler to Atlanta and the airport, I am very interested in smart growth that allows traffic to flow freely. Increased congestion absent smart infrastructure planning takes away from my quality of life and time with my family.

* Limiting commercial, residential, and industrial development until the appropriate infrastructure is in place. As you can presume, I was against the Walmart being developed at the time. It was the only Walmart in the country built on a two-lane highway with only on access point. This was not PTC standards and should have been delayed until the road infrastructure was in place.

* Honest campaigning with effective debate of positions. I personally do not like reading disingenuous arguments and rhetoric. It is this point that has actually motivated me to write a couple of letters to the editor.

I wrote a letter to the editor in reply to Bob Lenox’s letter. In Lenox’s letter he tried to imply the following:

1. Taxes have gone up 40% since Steve has been in office.
2. Steve Brown is the reason that TDK is not complete
3. The City finances were in great shape when he left office in 2001
4. Suggested that Steve is too controversial and is not effective at leading our city

The essence of my retort is as follows:

1. Taxes went up 21% during the period and you can not use anecdotal evidence of one house to claim that taxes went up 40% across the city. My taxes went up north of 35%: but then again, I did an addition to my house. (You’d think my agenda should be to vote against Steve on the tax issue).

2. I was aware of the TDK Blvd. issues. Lenox used the same consultant that said with a straight face and expensive Powerpoints that Hwy 54 would flow smoothly after the Walmart was built. That consultant failed to bring up the required airport runway clearance – which has been the cause of the delay. It is not true to suggest that the delay is all Steve Brown’s fault.

3. The city finances in 2001 were not good. Reserves were depleted. New unfunded expenses were added to the budget. 9/11 challenges were impacting city revenues. To say Steve inherited a great financial situation is disingenuous.

4. I look at a Mayor who takes on challenges and is not afraid to be controversial to be good traits. Leaders do what is right, not what is always polite.

Refuting Bob Lenox’s articles, I believe, is appropriate and honest. My points were never refuted and have since, largely, been proven true. But I sure received a lot of personal attacks.

I wrote a letter to the editor criticizing Dar Thompson’s tax proposal and the arguments he used to support that proposal. Peachtree City is not an island! Dar tried to refute my arguments in a subsequent letter. Rhetorically, it sounded good, but his facts failed to refute the essence of my argument.

So why do I support Steve Brown?

I supported Steve back in 2001 because he worked so hard as a private citizen looking out for the interests of city residents. I was very proud of Steve’s effort to minimize the impact of hazardous chemicals from the PhotoCircuits plant. New policies were put in place to notify residents of a dangerous spill. Additional greenery and noise abatement was installed by PhotoCircuits to help neighboring residents. I was not as affected, but many of my neighbors were. I was involved to participate in the meetings and was proud that we had a positive outcome. My agenda was to help make sure Planterra Ridge remained a great place to live. Steve did a great job of doing research, proposing ideas for change, invoking the support of the city to participate. Bob Lenox even played a role in helping.

Of course, the opposition will somehow blame Steve for Photocircuit’s financial difficulties, Ignoring international competition, globalization, and general relative high labor costs in North America as possible causes.

Steve was also involved with many city issues. He attended the meetings and exposed some very significant conflicts of interests with our city attorney. I was glad that Steve was keeping an eye on our city government while I could continue to work and provide for my family. (A real important personal agenda). Steve Brown volunteered his time and acted on behalf of the city residents to open government and make the process more inclusive. In my opinion, unlike the current candidate Logsdon, Steve invested a far greater amount of time and effort getting to know the city issues and challenges before he ran for Mayor! Nobody does their homework like Steve Brown!

Could Steve be more politically correct? Sure. Could he accomplish the same with a bit softer rhetoric? Probably. Could Steve improve his writing skills? Shouldn’t we all! Do I agree with every issue Steve has pushed. No.

But at his core, Steve remained true to his commitments. I have no doubt that he looks at the public safety, health, and welfare in every decision. He has a lot of spark. Look at the results he has achieved in his campaigns in 2001 and 2005 with such limited campaign funds. Steve is a volunteer at heart. He has more energy and passion that I could ever dream of mustering. He is genuine and thoughtful.

I was not happy with Steve to learn that he favored limited annexation on the Westside. When I reasoned with his argument that limited annexation is needed with as much Senior housing as possible to limit impact on our schools…. In order to get the MacDuff road completed to Hwy 74… I still was not happy, but agreed that he was working on a proposal that would best accomplish the goals of helping our residents with mitigating the unintended costs. It would have been far more politically expedient for him to just maintain a No Annexation Stance. But he has a habit of doing what he feels is right and not politically popular.

Go to his website: MayorSteve.com. Look at his accomplishments, specifics and experience. Next, go to HaroldLogsdon.org. Look at the platitudes and vagueness. Since Harold has used a campaign tactics of avoiding debate because he is perceived to be “ahead” a citizen can only go by Harold’s platitudes to guide him or her. Nowhere in my agenda does it state: Vote for a candidate because he is not somebody else!

If you still think that I have some sort of hidden agenda, or you still think I am an idiot, or you think that Steve is writing these words, I really can’t help you further.

Thank you. Please note, I was in no way was accusing you of a hidden agenda. In fact, I agree with many of your stated concerns - wholeheartedly with the second and third asterisks (quality services, honest government) and your desire to see the fifth (development delayed until infrastructure is in place) although I don't know that it is always possible once the zoning has been set and the developer has the desire to build and the funds to wage a lawsuit. While I don't live in a part of the city cursed with bad traffic (except for school zones), I certainly appreciate the frustration that you and your neighbors have dealing with Highway 54 West on a daily basis (I avoid it whenever possible).

My primary intent in my post was to illustrate why there has been so much acrimony in this campaign, which you asked or referred to directly three different times in your blog. You have been accused of a lot of things that weren't true, and it obviously frustrates you, to say the least. It would anyone. It does.

Take the term “old guard.” It is used in a derogatory manner to describe anyone who disagrees with Mayor Brown. But it shouldn’t be derogatory. The old guard of early residents and business owners did a lot for this city. They started the Library, which you have to admit has come a long way. They started the fire department, which still has a lot of dedicated volunteers serving our city and saving us taxpayers. They started our recreation programs, and still virtually run the huge network of athletic associations with volunteers. Even the early developers donated a huge amount of land and recreational facilities, and built paths, that we still enjoy today. Sure, it improved their profit margin. But everyone who has moved here has benefited from it as well. We can’t even have a Christmas/Holiday/Grand Tree celebration without it being a tribute to the current Mayor (and it was VERY nice and well-attended!). However, did you know that there used to be a 2-day festival at City Hall surrounding the tree lighting? There were musical groups performing holiday music, Santa, booths with holiday gifts, crafts, food, etc. – a Christmas Shakerag Festival if you will. All erased with a careless statement like “this will be the best celebration the city has ever seen.”

It is especially frustrating to those of us who chose to move here more than 15 years ago (we knew a good thing when we saw it – early) that everything that occurred, and everyone who helped bring it about, is now categorically classified as evil, back-room, and profit driven.

I'll amend my initial statement and say that I believe you to be well-meaning and have the good of PTC at heart. Heck, I even believe Steve Brown has made some needed changes. But he came in with a bulldozer when a scalpel would have sufficed. And a lot of people have been genuinely hurt by his “writing skills” and “rhetoric,” to use your terms. This is not the hallmark of a “pretty good Mayor,” at least to a lot of people. For many, it is not only about what the elected person does – how he does it is just as important.

No hidden agenda for you - you spelled it out quite well. Idiot, not really except your blind unwavering support of Brown certainly shows some mental deficency. Everything you state in your reply as issues are indeed important, but you make one very dangerous assumption - the assumption that Brown can do any of this.

That's right - what can Brown actually do if somehow he is given a second term. Don't avoid the question - answer it. To help you and your co-writer/mayor - I'll lay it out for you. read carefully;

1. Steve Boone ran to get Rapson out of office - Boone is disgusted by Brown and he'll fight everything he proposes.
2. Cyndi Plunkett was forced to distance herself from Brown in order to win her election. She can't support his ideas. FYI - Dan and Christian felt the same way - they just didn't win.
3. Stuart and Judi have served with the brown clown 2 years - think they are going to suppoprt anything he says or does?

Now, Mr. Rothley - how does Brown lead that group and get his agenda taken care of? How?

Just keep calling people idiots and such for not agreeing with you.

Really persuasive argument. Those without an argument attack the messenger and not the message.

A Consensus with Brown already exists. Already, Cindy Plunkett, Stuart and Judi Ann are in substantial agreement with Steve Brown. They make not like his abrasiveness but they agree with his ideas. Most of the votes in the last two years have been unanimous.

Key issue: the council voted unanimously that the DAPC debts were illegal and that if the city paid those debts they would liable for a taxpayer lawsuit. Similarly, Cindy Plunkett has said let the courts resolve it.

So personalities aside, there already is a consensus of opinion. It's not like we are dealing with a Carol Fritz, for example, that waffled all over the place. She never had an original thought and just voted how she was told. Stuart, Judi Ann and Cindy can be counted on to be consistent and thus far they have very similar positions to Brown.

Sounds like you are out of the loop investq. Talk to those 4 individually and privately - they hate the SOB and will do everything to defeat him - and have already.

Yes, they agree on some of his positions, but won't support him if he brings it up. Instead they will make their own proposals and lead without his interference. That last stunt about cancelling the council meeting to debate an empty chair infuriated Judy and Stuart - and even Weed.
meow

So, the Council Members, when they vote, will not be voting on substance and issues? They will be voting against Brown? Like you?

That is so lame.

Let's view this differently. The issue presented was the Mayor Brown does not have the support of the others likely to be serving with him.

Let's examine a pivotal issue and Mr. Logsdon's predicament.

Mr. Logsdon has really expressed only one campaign issue: pay the disputed illegal Dev Authority debts from the Tennis Center.

Let's examine the others. Stuart and Judi Ann have already followed the legal advice of the various city attorneys and voted not to pay those illegal bills. Cindy Plunkett says that the council should not pay it but rather that the courts should decide it.

Now--- which of the two candidates--- on this seminal issue--- has the consensus ? How then can Logsdon hope to lead. He can't.

I'm till hoping to hear back from you on my post above.

Yes indeed the purpose of an election is to change leadership or keep it if its working. Obviously the 80% think it is not working which is why they voted against Brown. Tuesday same thing - 80% Harold 20% Brown. Take it to the bank. I have well over $300 bet on those results and will take more.
meow

The electorate is too stupid in your book to need actual facts from Logsdon.

That makes Logsdon arrogant.

After all, Steve Brown did in fact win an election 4 years ago.

Logsdon being arrogant? Nah, I think he is simply applying Occam's Razor to winning a political contest. Steve Brown himself is a lightning-rod and the kind of personality who is going to annoy the hell out of a significant amount of voters. Logsdon is counting on what appears to be the general consensus of "anyone but Brown." A good strategy for winning indeed. It wouldn't work if Brown was out of the picture and he was running against Boswell or even Darrel one-on-one, but I think it will work perfectly versus Brown.

NUK

You need to re-read your philosophy. It is properly spelled Ockham.

William of Ockham posited that the theory that the simpler of two propositions was more compelling.

Thus, we have an enhanced quality of life under Steve Brown. Or, we have Logsdon (with no platform at all). The choice is clear--- Brown.

The first thing google finds when you type in Occam's Razor, click this and read.

The principle states that one should not make more assumptions than the minimum needed.

And it appears that you can spell it two ways.

But I'm sure we not "intellectually sophisticated" enough, as the Mayor referred to John Munford, to understand this.

Funny, THAT sure sounds arrogant to me.

Then how would characterize Mr. Logsdon's silence and unwillingness to debate? Is that not arrogant ?

I have equated it to not answering the challenge of a schoolyard bully. Mr. Logsdon would've walked into a loaded room. Brown issued the challenge and organized the function through contacts he had made from his work with the Young Politicos.

And the silence you refer to is specific to certain people asking certain questions. Mr. Logsdon certainly appears to be in the public eye - he even stated he'd be enjoying the Hometown Holiday celebration tonight (click here to read his comments from the AJC at the bottom of the article.) Funny, this is in stark contrast from some who implicate Logsdon in the American Legion's planned boycott of the "holiday" event.

I encourage you, if you are truly uneasy about Logsdon based on what you have read here, to call him at (770) 487-8336. You might get an answering machine, because if he's like many Peachtree City residents, he's probably out and about this weekend enjoying the benefits of this town. Benefits, please remember, that were here long before Steve Brown came into office.

Again, Mr. Torrigan, all I can say is good luck to you. May the better man win. For me, the better man is Logsdon.

On specifics Logsdon does not answer any means of communications.

I and others have tried them and got silence.

Of course you will get an answering machine or a staffer. You think he is going to risk being confronted?

Your spinning of excuses make it plain and clear he has no intention of answering anyone on specifics.

I posted his Contact page. He says use email as one method. But he won't answer.

But that is our fault. Get real.

Funny - some people don't seem to have a problem getting a hold of him.

Many like to watch, few like to gripe, and even fewer like to do anything about it.

But hey, vote for Peron (Brown) anyway - he's a man of the people. Workers of the world unite! Destroy the evil oppressions! Bring the power back to the people!

Don't forget to vote on Tuesday. Time for me to enjoy football.

Just offer some money and watch how fast you get answered.

I will look into it is not an answer.

But ask a specific and listen to the silence.

Logsdon won't answer because he can't; he has no clue what is going on. Forget about politics for a moment. He simply has no background or understanding to even formulate a response to anything. He's similar to Bill Clinton in his train ride from D.C. to Chicago. Counting all his stops and promises, he proposed to increase spending by $180 billion. Logsdon promises the same; cut spending and cut taxes. Without specifics (and there are none), it is pure deceit. At least Lenox knew the issues. He told the people "we can't cut spending" and he spent at record levels.

Classic example: even after the election Logsdon says (on the illegal DAPC loans) that he favors a government bailout and that he wants to "get with the city attorneys and get their take on that." WOW ! We have a had written opinions from city attorneys and bond lawyers for years and an independent counsel investigative report that spells out the whole illegal scheme and why the city is legally prohibited from paying these loans. Harold is ignorant, arrogant or both.

Cal Beverly's endorsement is correct. Logsdon has no stated positions. And the reason he has no stated positions is because he has only one hidden agenda; to accomodate his developer buddies.

Did you ever consider Logsdon is computer challenged?
Did you ever think he does not know HOW to reply on-line?
The reason I say this is because he in fact gave the excuse: "I thought I had replied, must be a computer glitch" to me when he had not responded to my emails.
My conclusion is, he must be computer illiterate!
Don't waste your time emailing or writing Blogs that you expect Logsdon to answer! It is not going to happen.
So, what will happen if he is elected? You can forget any online responces to your inquiries.
I can say from experience that Mayor Brown always responds to my emails in a timely, prompt and professional manor.
That is my experience, and from what I am reading, I am not alone in not getting responses from Logsdon.

Cass Poolman

SandySue, glad to see another opinion blogger. Especially female.

Question: Is this blog really something PTC politics needs to use to contact the constituents? I love it, but wonder whether it doesn't play into a full time hash of he said - she said.

You've apparently been an active email contacter of our Mayor. If you were one of 1000 doing that, would the Mayor have time to respond to all? My point is: email serves a great service just like a personal letter, but takes a lot of time. Bloggers could also require a lot of time responding, but a large number could see the responses. However, I don't think Council playing out Government by letters to the editor, or full time blogging is the answer.

Your opinion?

Cass, for once we have a topic we can agree on.

If you'd like to ask the burning questions, call Harold at (770) 487-8336. If you call (please be someone new, not PTC Guy with his retreaded, repeated statements), let us know what you get.

Then, if you get some actually real answer, reply to my blog request for anyone who has actually gotten an answer.

We can keep a running log of those actual answers.

Logsdon won't answer because he can't; he has no clue what is going on. Forget about politics for a moment. He simply has no background or understanding to even formulate a response to anything

And what in the world did Steve Brown do for a living? He "managed" a dentist office. He went to school to be a journalist. He took a couple of planning courses when he decided he wanted to run Peachtree City. Simply no background or understanding, indeed.

Perhaps it's refreshing to look at a candidate who DOESN'T have all the answers and DOESN'T know it all. Because if you listen to Steve Brown, he knows how to be a planner (let's move those trees over here, Target), a financial advisor (the City was in terrible shape before I showed up, he says), a childrens and senior advocate (it takes a village, ya know), a technology ace (put that wi-fi over here), a public works director (make these paths bigger), an engineer (I know stormwater, dang it) and a lawyer (it's illegal, let's prosecute...ok, let's just countersue...ok, let's settle with the County for jail equity)! I guess with all that knowledge he doesn't always have time for people skills, though, other than shaking hands and kissing babies and putting scout troops on parade.

Mr. Brown is a politician, and he'll tell you whatever you want to hear so that you'll vote for him. Perhaps Logsdon is a realist and realizes you can't do it all on your own.

Would you buy a used car from this man?

Now not knowing what he would do on specifics is a good thing?

If he knows nothing on any of these issues he should not be running for Mayor.

Mayor is oversight. To oversee you have to have a clue what you are overseeing.

That is good strategy?

Telling them they don't need or deserve to know until they elect him?

That is arrogance.

Just curious - you obviously interpret no response as "you don't need or deserve to know until you elect me." What about calling 80% of those who voted last month "dazed and confused" because they didn't vote for you?

Which do you interpret as more insulting and arrogant?

The vote last month bears no weight on a candidate refusing to answer questions from those whom he wishes to vote for them.

It is arrogant for anyone who is running for a job to represent people to refuse to tell them how he would represent them.

I never called them dazed and confused. I did say they were voting "anyone but Brown" which is an uneducated and dangerous vote.

Many of the worst leaders came to power via a dislike for the other candidate.

No matter how one feels about candidates the vote should be about how they would run the government in important areas.

Brown has a known position on Cart Paths, Tennis Center, Stormwater and other important issues.

Logsdon has only one known position. That being assuming the Tennis debt which is what DirectPac and other powers that be want.

I vote on what I know. And I know I agree with Brown's positions and I know I do not with DirectPac or those powers that be.

I do not vote on personalities.

Best doctor I ever had possessed an Attila the Hun personality. But when it came time to operate he was the one who did it.

In the Today in PTC following the election.

So I was asking and how you would categorize Brown's statement, in light of your interpretation of Logsdon's silence as insulting.

I misunderstood the question.

Well, to be honest, I found that particular comment ill chosen.

Using poor judgment, ill informed or something like that would have been appropriate.

That comment was condescending.

Logsdon is arrogant by holding he does not have to answer us commoners. Just vote for him.

I realized I wasn't very clear with the original question.

and don't need it put in a "Mayor for Dummies" method.

Not everyone reads USA Today. Some people actually read articles.

And now, an "arrogant" quote I just read in the AJC (enjoy the entire cheesy goodness for yourselves):

"This is the crowning, unglorious finish to a very nasty political race, killing Christmas at the very end...Why don't we just burn the Christmas tree down?"
....
"We're trying to be all inclusive. It's not that we're shunning Christianity,"

Who said these little political gems? That's right, Mayor Steve Brown. Steve Brown said that the opposition is killing Christmas. And we're being all inclusive, because Christmas isn't about Christ's birth at all.

Hyperbole, thy name is Brown.

Subject is Logsdon telling voters they don't need to know anything until he is elected is pure arrogance.

This is Logsdon in action. Read and think about it, lurkers!

For those that do not know lurker means those who read a forum but do not post. It is not an insult in forum lingo.

OK, it's you and me tonight, so let's dance...I don't expect this post to be up too long.

I didn't say a THING about Logsdon not telling people they need to know anything. He has given what he believes are his positions. If you ask additional questions and he does not answer, I cannot provide analysis for that other than he more than likely believes he has said what he feels he needs to say.

Now I can respond to the post you put on but moved, as it's appropriate here.

Call him. Right now. Wake him up. Tell him I said it was okay, since people appear to believe I am a "Logsdon operative" and a "Logsdon campaign supporter". His phone number, straight from his website, is (770) 487-8336. He lives in Morallion Hills. Go knock on his door.

(this is pot calling kettle, but I'll type it anyway). Sitting behind a keyboard throwing pot shots at the opposition, expecting emails to be answered is LAZY citizenship. If you want the answers so dang bad, go get them. I'm comfortable with that I've seen, heard and read. I know what I've experienced in the past four years. When you roll your eyes every Wednesday when your favorite fish rag hits the driveway, it takes its toll after a while.

I respect Dana Kinser - he asked the questions head on. You, I really just don't know.

And your continued "diversion" to take pot shots at me instead of at the candidates....if I offended you personally in any way, I apologize. And for my penchant for correcting inaccuracies in both fact and discourse, as the kids say, "that's how I roll." (this is in regards to calling the tries "lame" and calling others "amateur".)

Now otherwise back off the personal attacks lest the abuse police wish to become involved. Let's all just grow up with the shots at each other - our aim is at the candidates and what they do.

I didn't say a THING about Logsdon not telling people they need to know anything. He has given what he believes are his positions.

You don't know that as a fact!

If you ask additional questions and he does not answer, I cannot provide analysis for that other than he more than likely believes he has said what he feels he needs to say.

Your wishful assumption.

He does not answer any question of substance from anyone via any communications means.

He is arrogant to think nebulous statements are sufficient.

Call him. Right now. Wake him up. Tell him I said it was okay, since people appear to believe I am a "Logsdon operative" and a "Logsdon campaign supporter". His phone number, straight from his website, is (770) 487-8336. He lives in Morallion Hills. Go knock on his door.

He does not answer anyone who asks anything of substance via any mode of communications.

(this is pot calling kettle, but I'll type it anyway). Sitting behind a keyboard throwing pot shots at the opposition, expecting emails to be answered is LAZY citizenship.

Again, he does not answer any mode of communications. Here is his Contact page.
Campaign Contacts

Please contact our campaign, Harold wants to hear from you!

Citizens for Logsdon

Chairman: Marla Curley
Treasurer: Peter C. Cunningham

Mailing Address:
116 Morallion Hills
Peachtree City, GA 30269

Phone: (770) 487-8336

E-mail: citizens4logsdon@bellsouth.net

That is all in his home.

He will not answer. He has been called, emailed and so on.

I have tried to get information both by email and phone.

No answers.

And trying to spin off his refusal to answer being my fault is pure garage.

He set up the contact methods. He is picking and choosing who he answers.

If you want the answers so dang bad, go get them. I'm comfortable with that I've seen, heard and read. I know what I've experienced in the past four years. When you roll your eyes every Wednesday when your favorite fish rag hits the driveway, it takes its toll after a while.

Which does nothing to explain or justify Logsdon as Mayor.

If you are happy with a dice roll then go roll your dice. Your problem begins when you slop out rhetoric and claims of how great Logsdon will be when you don't have any facts to back it up while berating people for believing Brown is the better candidate.

I respect Dana Kinser - he asked the questions head on. You, I really just don't know.

I got answers from Brown without hesitation. I got nothing but evasion from Logsdon.

And that is right. You don't know how many efforts of what kind I have made to get answers. But I can tell you I got none from email or phone efforts.

And your continued "diversion" to take pot shots at me instead of at the candidates....if I offended you personally in any way, I apologize. And for my penchant for correcting inaccuracies in both fact and discourse, as the kids say, "that's how I roll."

And when have you corrected me on any inaccuracy? Seems I remember you having to back down on some issues and admit I was right.

Minor errors that do not destroy understanding are not issues in posting. So understand when you do the spell check and did you mean stuff all it gets from he is a smile and laugh.

And it is diversion from you to ask you a question on Logsdon and see you answer by talking about Brown.

Now otherwise back off the personal attacks lest the abuse police wish to become involved. Let's all just grow up with the shots at each other - our aim is at the candidates and what they do.

Learn one my golden rule in at what level I address other posters in response. It is to respond in kind and at the level they post.

And I have never personally attacked you. You have nothing to report me for.

Go ahead if you feel you have. But beware when looking at the issues gets you in trouble.

And no. I did not spell check or heavily proof this post, It is long, I am tired and it is past bedtime.

Good night.

The old try of getting the other guy to wear himself posting to silly posts like that is lame.

Amateur.

I'm trying to understand your statement:

The old try of getting the other guy to wear himself posting to silly posts like that is lame. Amateur.

I think you forgot a word. Come on, we expect better, PTC GUY!

Did you mean this?
The old try of getting the other guy to wear himself OUT posting to silly posts like that is lame. Amateur.

Please review, revise and correct yourself so we can understand whatever it is you're trying to say. Unless it's about stormwater - I think we understand your position there

I will resist critiquing your errors.

These are only posts.

Oh, yea. This is as lame as trying to draw others into making long, repetitive posts.

Been posting too long to fall for these amateur tactics.

But keep trying.

And to make you happy here is your word for this post, errror.

Again, please feel free to point out errors in grammar and vocabulary that I use. It helps me learn and grow. Thanks for any help you can give me.

Subject remains Logdson has said nothing and treats voters like idiots with his arrogant position he needs to tell us nothing of substance until he is elected.

And then why bother starting then. Just hand down royal decrees.

You did a great job rebutting!! Keep it up, I really enjoy reading all your responses. (Don't let this go to your head now}

I will leave the rest to Rob, since he appears quite competent to deal with your approach.

1. It wasn't 5 against Brown. It was 6 with each against 5 others.

2. Logsdon offered zero plans except for assume the debt. The rest was political babble.

Well idontknow ... True to form... within three minutes you have just validated my entire post.

Ignore all of the facts and essence of an opposing view... make an overexpanding platitude comment that attempts to be cute and then take pleasure in Vilifying brown... Sums up the entire Logsdon campaign.

With the dozens of posts attacking every positive brown comment in sight... I can't imagine what would be in your agenda to make your effort so important to you.

I'm beginning to believe you are his high paid political consultant.

Congratulations!

I agree.

I have been thinking a lot on this and think I have finally reduced this to a singular issue... Political Correctness.

Does not matter Brown is right on the Tennis Center. He hurt some people's feelings.

Does not matter he is working on the Cart Paths and solutions to the Stormwater issue. He hurt some peoples feelings.

He said some things he should not have. Why won't the PC Folk forgive him? Because he hurt some peoples feelings by doing what was right and not taking the murky middle fence straddling do nothing positions.

He just said what the issues were instead of trying to appease everyone along the way with PC Talk.

No. Brown is right on the Tennis Center, Cart Paths and Stormwater Utility.

Logsdon has said nothing of substance but pay the Tennis Center Debt.

Brown is a jerk and Logsdon is a hero. Why?

Because he has not hurt anyone's feeling and he will make that bad Old Brown nasty thing with the Tennis Center that hurt some PC feeling go away.

We are doomed as a nation because of all this PC thinking and politics.