The bicyclists in Fayette break the law all of the time by riding down the yellow, and riding more than 2 accross......The local club encourages them to break the law. They are rude and I have seen several who have tried to swerve into cars that are trying to pass.

They beg to get hit everyday by being rude. This is the first place I have lived where the bicycle laws of sharing the road are not enforced. These knuckleheads beg to get hit everyday.

the state had nothing to approve in the bailout of the race, just the course of the race and handling of the traffic.

-0- cost to taxpayers, everyone involved is already on the payroll.

I agree with CCB that the city spending $76,000 on this bike race is crazy. However, at least the race people went to the legislature and asked for the funds BEFORE the race unlike what our development authority did to us with the Taj Ma Tennis Center. Thank God AT&T spared the taxpayers on bike race.

Too bad the development authority thieves didn't think to ask AT&T to payoff their corruption.

In all fairness, the tennis center is managed in a more professional way now. But the place will never break-even like Robert Lenox promised.

All you Negative Nellies need to move if you dont like this place. All you want to do is {{{EDITED}}}. Pack your {{{EDITED}}} and MOVE.

Have you read the blog above this one? Interesting.

Of course threatening legal action helps. Guess the Major should have used two smbols in his response.

Hope cmc865 survives.

________________________________________________________________
Fighting for truth, justice and the American way, while ignoring the ignorant!

I'm still wondering why someone would need to "pack their spit." Sounds kind of gross to me. That's what he meant, right?

NUK

Otherwise- they would ban him like they did Army Major and basmati would be having a conniption fit. Right?

I think the tax payers are still paying for harolds DUI party at city hall.......not sure though. I hope we aren' paying for his free booze day.

On a lighter note he said it was ok, to have alcohol at this public city function.....we all have to drive to get to it......so it is a free DUI day in PTC. I'm not sure if it is only for city residents or all of Fayette County.

Of course this will leave the city open to a lawsuit from everyone who has ever been arrested for DUI here......but hey, what does harold care...........it's just our money he's spending.

that ever had an alcoholic beverage. "Free DUI day in PTC"? That's quite a stretch isn't it?

I don't like everything that goes on in PTC, but by and large, I like most of it. That is why I moved here. We have amenities, we have parks, we have things going on that other towns don't dream of. In return, we pay for them. I knew that when I moved here and I'm guessing you did too. PTC is different, and for that I'm thankful.

Should not be used to support or put on a VIP alcohol party at city hall.

This is the first time alcohol has been allowed at a public, or city sponsored event in PTC.......that's why we are having a conniption.

This is not what I want my tax dollar spent on. I want more cops and firefighters.

Or at least I thought we did. But I'm not sure if they are directly purchasing the booze or not. Do you have proof they are?

McDonoughDawg, the city put in enough funds to cover the entry level salary gap for the police department. Harold Logsdon was supposed to be a financial bigshot, so what happened?

The guy acts more like a bankrupt loser. Seriously, can anybody name a single financial action taken by the mayor that has actually saved us money? I can give you around eight actions that were real losers.

I do not. I'm almost positive there will be people in town spending money of some amount that wouldn't have been here otherwise. Maybe we should have told the Bike folks to pound sand.

It seems that many like to complain about ANYTHING the Mayor/Council do.

McDonoughDawg is one of the biggest critics Steve Brown has ever had! At least some of the others admitted Steve wasn't in it for himself and did some good things. For the record, "many" are not complaining about just "ANYTHING". TDK is insane. The Lowe's and Kohl's are very bad ideas. The broken promises on tax cuts were deplorable. His wanting to double his salary instead of issuing those tax cuts was egotistical. Why is the city spending around $75,000 on a bike race when we can't even get our entry level pay for police officers to the local average salary? Stupid, stupid, stupid.

One thing you'll notice about Steve is he uses the facts to prove his points and he doesn't resort to ethics charges and lawsuits like the ones you side with. The other thing you'll notice is he ends up being right most of the time too.

You're a hypocrite McDonoughDawg.

No where on here have I said the Lowes or Kohls were a good idea for PTC. I'm against them. I would have been against Walmart/Home Depot too, but that's water under the bridge. Show me on here where I've been favor of those developments you mention and I'll reconsider your comprehension problems.

I said maybe we should have told them to pound sand regarding the bike race. Does that sound like a glowing endorsement? Not to me.

I voted against Steve Brown in the last election, and I believe I was in the majority then. The only reason I ever mention him is he keeps inserting himself into the news here.

I'll admit being on the fence to TDK, obviously Brown was too for years, or otherwise he would have killed it long ago. I came from an area that refused to build roads until it was too late. I do not want to see that happen to our City. I realize that is debatable, but I admit to being unsure of the end result of building it or not. I can see damage coming either way.

Thanks for admitting you are against the same issues as Steve Brown. That being said, why don’t you cutout the talk about everyone blasting Mayor Logsdon for “ANYTHING” he does.

I also agree with your, “I voted against Steve Brown in the last election, and I believe I was in the majority then.” Yes the keyword is “then” because the majority is not behind him anymore.

How can you say Steve was on the fence about TDK? Bob Lenox, Greg Dunn and Direct PAC were always accusing him killing the road. You read the same newspapers I did. Harold Logsdon spent an entire election campaign saying Steve was killing TDK too. Were they all lying about Steve or what? Please explain that one.

I’ll stick to my hypocrite remarks.

and read this...it's directly from a letter to the editor written by Steve Brown himself, regarding his Council and the work they did to keep TDK alive.

"Most of my current City Council took office in January 2002. My two concerns were the priority of widening Ga. Highway 74 and the significant budget problems that we had inherited. “Mayor Brown introduced the next related item, saying he initially had concerns about TDK Boulevard because he did not want to supersede the emphasis on widening Hwy. 74 South, which was still important. Brown said that there had been significant progress on Hwy. 74 South, with cooperation from state representatives to local representatives, leading to some major breakthroughs. Barring anything happening to delay Hwy. 74, Brown said he had no problem with the TDK Boulevard project. Brown also expressed appreciation for Coweta County’s support of the project. He said funding for the project was the number one concern, and Peachtree City’s budget was very lean. A balancing act would be needed to prioritize the projects,” (Council Minutes, Sept. 5, 2002).

Our current council was the only one that actually programmed funds in the city’s budget for TDK. “Rapson said he had always been in favor of TDK, but highways 54 and 74 took precedence. No funds were committed to TDK extension until this Council approved the 2003 budget, which included capital funding for FY 2004 (October 2003), bringing the total to $825,000 on the table. Brown said there was not a person on Council against TDK,” (Council Minutes, Jan. 2, 2003).

However, signs of trouble were foretold in the newspaper headline that read, “Fayette-Coweta Connector: FORE! Errant golf balls, low-flying aircraft to greet motorists driving on future TDK Boulevard across Line Creek,” (Citizen, Wednesday, Jan. 22, 2003).

Councilwoman McMenamin made a motion to which I seconded to sign a resolution in support of the TDK project asking for Fayette County to help with the effort because of the dire budget situation we were battling. “Motion carried unanimously,” (Council Minutes, Jan. 23, 2003).

Later a deal was made with Fayette County and the council unanimously approved to make a final payment of $200,000 toward the construction of the TDK extension (Council Minutes, Feb. 6, 2003; “County, PTC strike deal to move forward on TDK road extension,” Citizen, Feb. 5, 2003).

It later came to our attention that additional funding would be needed and “Brown moved to approve the additional expense of $18,650 to use toward the engineering for the changes requested for the Fayette-Coweta extension. Weed seconded,” (Council Minutes, June 5, 2003). We had met our commitments to build the road.

A 2004 headline read, “FAA opposes location of TDK Boulevard extension project,” (Citizen, Mar. 14, 2004). As it turned out, the engineering firm (URS) hired by the previous administration failed to consult with the Federal Aviation Administration regarding the location of the proposed road even though the end of the Falcon Field runway appeared on most drawings, maps and photos.

Even worse, URS has an aviation division and had no excuses about not knowing the official FAA concern (FAA 5200.8). A letter from FAA program manager Philip R. Cannon stated that the road “will degrade the runway 13 safety area.”

A runway safety area violation could negatively affect our airport’s chances of getting a precision landing system in the future. Falcon Field Airport is a multi-million-dollar asset that cannot be jeopardized and the City Council shared the concern of the Airport Authority.

“City staff met with Airport Authority members, airport staff, and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to look at alternatives to resolve the conflict. They had looked at a couple of ideas, and the proposal to realign the road prior to construction around the runway safety area looked like the best solution; however, that route was in conflict with holes five and six at Planterra Ridge Golf Course. The holes would have to be relocated,” (Council Minutes June 3, 2004).

We also do not want to destroy the golf course. Had previous City Councils acted on the road prior to the approval and construction of the Planterra Ridge Golf Course, we would be driving on the road now.

Currently, the Airport Authority is working with the FAA on purchasing a piece of property owned by Pathway Communities to relocate the two golf holes to satisfy the FAA objections. It will take a least one year to properly establish the two new holes once the land is purchased.

At the end of every council meeting Councilman Rapson publicly asks our city staff if there is anything that the city of Peachtree City is doing to hold up the progress of the TDK extension project. The staff always replies, “No.”

The claims of the Direct PAC do not hold up to the scrutiny of the official records and the unanimous votes.

Steve Brown, mayor
MayorSteveBrown@hotmail.com
Peachtree City, Ga."

here is the URL to the page of the citizen. The letter is almost at the bottom of the page. That is why I have asked why ex Mayor Brown didn't kill it then. I attended a few Mayoral Debate type functions where he basically said the same thing. I wouldn't just make it up.

http://thecitizennews.com/archive/main/archive-051005/letters.html

All I would ask from Steve Brown is to at least admit he was on board with TDK just fine. His grandstanding now is just a slight bit disenginious. I've read Coweta's ideas, and I still think they will continue to bombard us with traffic, either up Rockaway and 54 alone, or with TDK too in the mix.

Was Steve just teasing them while holding the road back? He always made bold public statements against TDK. Hey I also saw on (http://thecitizennews.com/archive/main/archive-051005/letters.html) where Bob Lenox said, "Why have you made no progress on TDK Boulevard?"

McDonoughDawg, you didn't answer the question, who is lying, Steve Brown or Lenox, Logsdon and Direct PAC? Lenox, Logsdon and Direct PAC swear Steve was blocking TDK.

I think he was blocking TDK and playing developers for a bunch of fools.

Look at what came off of the Fayettespeaks.com site:

For those who might think Mayor Steve Brown was folding on TDK, here are the quotes ...

1. Chamber of Commerce question: If elected (re-elected) how do you propose to accomplish the completion of the TDK Boulevard extension?

I would first like to state that I would be in favor of completing this project in cooperation with Fayette and Coweta officials for the most economically efficient solution. The realistic situation is that the TDK extension is already in motion. I feel that my responsibility is not to be an obstacle to the completion of the project, as it now stands with the current Mayor. The timely completion of this project is vital to PTC’s economy and Fayette County at large.

2. The Citizen Dec. 10, 2004: Mayor Steve Brown has vehemently opposed the city spending more money on the redesign of the road for several reasons, including his opposition to the benefit of the road. He contends the road’s projected traffic load will come from development that will occur on the Coweta side, leaving little traffic relief benefit for the city’s industrial park, which TDK proponents say will be significant.

3. The Citizen Dec. 17, 2004: Brown has long opposed the extension of TDK Boulevard, saying it will jump-start development on the Coweta County side and provide little in the way of traffic relief.

4. S. Brown letter to Editor Mar 17, 2004: With TDK [Boulevard Extension into Coweta County], we will be diverting a substantial amount of traffic into a predominately residential area. The obvious byproduct will be that the residents of the subdivisions will eventually have a difficult time pulling out onto Crosstown Road (which is a collector road, not an arterial road). The creation of the TDK extension is purely for developmental purposes, not traffic relief. The URS engineer told me personally that the extension would only provide relief for two years at best.

5. The Citizen, Nov 5, 2004: The TDK extension is hailed by other leaders in the community as an alternate route for employees in the city’s industrial park who live in Coweta and must commute on the often-clogged Ga. Highway 54 corridor. Brown called such thinking “the relief valve myth.”

(See the post above)

The only thing I've been saying is that Brown was/has been on both sides of the fence on this. He's certainly not innocent, as you can see from his bravado in his letter to the Editor I posted. Fact is, he never mentions this now.

Most anyone will admit it is certainly easy to find where he was on both sides of this issue.

I'm hesitant to call Brown a liar, I'll leave that judgement to anyone who can read his comments/letters. Confusing, maybe a better word.

In all honesty, the bigger issue is the continued explosive growth of Coweta to our South. I have business occasionally down Rockaway, and that is not going to get any better. Reminds me of all the growth that went on/still is going on to the east of McDonough square, you can only fit so many people down a 2 lane road served by a redlight

Anyone with any sense at all, knows that Coweta is going to keep going full steam, with growth unheard of in the Southwest corridor of Atlanta. The 54 west bridge is much better, but it can only handle so much before it too becomes gridlocked again at certain hours. Maybe Brown had it right in his 05 letter, we aren't trying to stop the road and we are trying to fund it now. I certainly don't have all the answers.

For sure, it's a complicated issue, with no easy answers.

All this from a bike race thread.

I think Steve intellectually bested them to the point where he took great joy in teasing the likes of Bob Lenox and the Direct PAC guys. He dismantled the development authority and tore Lenox to shreds. Now is that arrogance on Steve’s part or giving them their just desserts? Ask 10 people and might get 10 different answers. He was, in my mind, definitely blocking TDK, but I can’t help think he got great satisfaction out of poking fun at the pro-development guys making them whine constantly.

But more importantly our mayor and manager should be providing concrete proof of where the money IS coming from for the booze party.

Our current council has done so many underhanded things,.....you think they would go above and beyond to make sure everything was on the up and up. As usual they are sneaky, snaking around, instead of being forthcoming with information.

This current council has already squandered my tax dollar enough with the illegal tennis-lets-bail-out-the-rich-white-buisness-crooks.....loan. You maybe like being ripped off I do not.

And as far as the Tennis Center being illegal, don't you think our famous X Mayor would be filing charges left and right if there was something illegal in the water? I think he would be trying to for sure. The Tennis Center issue is a non issue, the Mayor said in his campaign he was going to clear up the debt, he made that clear. That has been done. Said Mayor also won in a landslide. Let it go, or get someone to file charges on the "illegal" part you claim.

You think it is ok, if our city officials are using our tax dollar for the alcohol party at city hall? Even if the taxpayers aren't invited?
As long as they are using their own money I don't care what they do. When they are using mine....

I still say the burden of proof is on them......they should be making an effort to look honest.

I was curious if we had the facts either way. I may head that way on Monday and try to get a "cool one" and get to the bottom of it.

I think since they work for us (the taxpayers, and residents of the city) they should be forthcoming with information ........we shouldn't have to beg for accountability.

Since most people are working....including me...let me know how it goes.......let us know if you can get into city hall for a free one.....after you present proof of residency.

Right now my schedule allows me.

For what it's worth, we agree on this issue, believe it or not.

Ok, if we agree on something.....when the storms start later this afternoon....neither of us should go outside...or it could turn into a lightening storm....you be safe...I'll be safe....Let's both make a pact to stay inside.

I hope this turns out well and that they aren't using our tax dollar on booze.

The sky is not falling. Contrary to what some believe.

What if they are selling the booze for more than they paid for it?

I read in the AJC where the city was trying to cover their tails saying the alcohol at City Hall was only for VIP's.

You probably ought to call it VIPDUI day.

I think if you are a city offical who has been charged with DUI, you are considered a VIP in harold and the city drunks(manager) book.

Which really discriminates against the average citizen who has been charged with DUI.

This is could turn into an EEO complaint before it's over......VIP indeed..........what about the average drunk here???

I thought harold was the mayor for the people........and here he is discriminating against the average drunk!

So how many DUI's do we have to get before next Monday to be considered a VIP?? One, two, does the incident have to involve an actual accident?? Can we just get stopped by the cops before we kill someone, and have our DUI count anyway??? Well, harold what about it?

What is up with that?!!? Only VIP's get some relief? Hey, if I'm going to watch a bike race, I'll need to be bombed. I say we "tailgate" the bike race and bring some kegs to Picnic Park:)

NUK

There is a reason for this. When the bikers are gone, everyone will leave the premises right away, but the VIPs will have one or two more drinks before they leave.
Then, the mayor and several police cars will escort the VIPS to the big hotel where the drinks will continue for the night.
This is done somewhat like the NASCAR races are handled. If the cops gave out DUIs near the park, no one would get past the ticket trafic jams for two or three days. The VIPS also can just stay put in the condos for a couple of hours and then be escorted to the Interstate or the airport.
The escort is the important thing, even more important than the instructions not to issue any DUIs that day.

and they get away with it. Funny how they can do that while there are roadblocks setup all over the area on a regular basis to keep just that thing from happening. What a screwed up place.

Man am I glad I am not there!!

You can't fight city hall......especially when it is filled with heavy drinkers. They can do whatever they want to and they get away with it.

I want to know how many DUI's do I have to get before next monday....so I can qualify for the VIP aclcohol party???(which by the way better not involve my tax dollar).

If we don't have enough tax money for cops and firefighters, then we definitly shouldn't have any surplus cash for drunk paries VIP or not!!.