Iraq: 3275 killed in the last 5 years ....

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Despite the fact that college students are less likely to kill themselves, over 1,100 students a year commit suicide. That’s 5,500 dead American college age students in the last 5 years.

From 2001- 2005 in Los Angeles there were 1,450 gang related homicides. Combined with the five year totals in Chicago (over 2,800 more) that’s 4,250 just in those two cities alone in the last five years.

Washington DC alone has over 20 homicides a month with a population 1/10 the size of Baghdad. That’s the equivalent of 200 murders every month in a city the size of Baghdad. That’s equivalent to 2,400 a year or 12,000 every five years.

There were 17, 000 drunk driving deaths in 2004 alone. That’s an average of 85,000 deaths every five years.

The current average number of immigrants who die trying to cross the Texas/Mexico border is 490/yr or 2,450 people every five years.

There are approximately 50,000 traffic deaths each year in the USA. That’s 250,000 deaths in five years. An average of about 114 people a day.

Approximately 20,000 people each year die in America from the flu. That’s 100,000 dead every five years.

Over 30,000 people a year die from suicide. That’s 150,000 dead every five years.

Baghdad has a population of nearly 6 million people. Yet the total DoD confirmed dead in Iraq: An average of 655 a year - exactly 3275 confirmed dead in the last 5 years.

Perhaps we should consider what we have accomplished (if anything) in each of these examples.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 3:34am.

It's so nice to know that I can minimize the deaths and maimings of brave young Americans if I just think of another area where more deaths occur. I've just got to figure out the upper level of troops being strechered into the basements of Walter Reed at which point critical thought and oversight may come in to play. I personally think that none of these stats matter one bit to our soldiers walking the streets and driving the roads of Iraq right now. Remember what "not a military, but a political solution needed" means? Even the President has said that.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Enigma on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 10:35am.

That's quite a strange response Hack.

I guess you can read whatever you want in to facts.

I personally don't trivialize ANY of the aforementioned deaths.
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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/12/2007 - 10:58pm.

I must honestly ask you why you bring up deaths by suicide and auto accident and relate this to deaths in Baghdad? What is the link? We have counseling and meeting groups for suicide. We have airbags, driver's ed, vehicle enhancements, and traffic laws for minimizing traffic deaths. So what is a great way to stop US deaths in the mismanaged, ill defined, corruption laden, money misshandled civil war known as Iraq? I can think of a very good way to eliminate those deaths while building the necessary troop strengths in Afghanistan, the actual home of Al Qaida. Enigma, we did a fantastic job of containing Saddam Hussein from bases in Turkey and Kuwait. And Saddam had a unified Army and an Air Force. Why do folks on your side of the aisle not think we can contain a disorganized Iraq? How do troops in Iraq protect our sea ports, airports, and borders? And why does no one feel empathy for our troops who are now facing 15 unprecedented months in a war zone? Are we going to start a draft and treat this like a real war, or will we just WAIT UNTIL OUR PEOPLE AND THEIR FAMILIES BREAK!!???? Enigma, this is truly breaking my heart, man. People sit at home eating popcorn and trading stocks on line oblivious to the hades we are subjecting our brightest assets to. As time marches on, and Iraq continues to worsen, who will be accountable for the decisions that kept our people in the middle of the world's most violent domestic dispute? Who?

Hack


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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 10:39am.

You're comparing the number of people killed in traffic accidents vs the number of people killed in a war zone and then tell people you're NOT trivializing war deaths?

*shaking head*

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Submitted by Enigma on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 4:44pm.

So, you are saying you consider traffic deaths less significant than combat deaths? Wow, Lennie’s family can attest to that being a load of crap having just endured this tragedy.

Apparently you designate one life as more trivial and one life as more significant than the other.

As I stated while you were still drooling in your lap trying to find an inaccuracy in the long list of Republican accomplishments, or the long list of African Americans that do not do what you (masser banmani, the Democrat Parrot) tell them to do and instead vote Republican, I think a human life being lost is tragic be it the an innocent child in a drive by, a car crash, or a soldier in combat.

I even think killing an unborn, sinless infant is wrong and I am also opposed to the death penalty. I don't hunt or fish either. In fact, I eat very little meat because I try to preserve all life whenever possible.

Even a censorship loving sloth like you is entitled to breathe, struggle as you may with the ordeal. Wow - now there's a concept even you can get your brain around.

Don't you think people who are killed in car wrecks have friends and families and the sudden loss of life is tragic? If you have such a high regard for the troops then fund them, support them, let them finish the mission and vote like them – Republican.

Now, until you remove your obnoxious, immature, braggadocios queen of censorship little banner on Major’s moniker, I will not talk to you again. I will certainly talk about you. You’re such an easy ‘Mark” after all.

You’re whining and belly aching got a very worthy veteran silenced from the blogs so consider yourself ostracized by at least this blogger.


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Submitted by Tug13 on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 7:18pm.

Enigma, I have ignored Bas's comments for a long time now.

How's "Mark" doing?
By the way, I like your new picture. Smiling


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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 7:57pm.

Hey Tug, my daughter starts at FCHS next year, she'll be in the band.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Tug13 on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 8:08pm.

Hi hutch, It doesn't matter what you hear, FCH is a good school.They have a great band.
I have heard the band director is retiring this year. Sad


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Submitted by Enigma on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 8:02pm.

K. Beard is a local legend. The FCHS band is awesome. Mark was once an Administrator and Athletic Director in this county and he used to talk about the band at FCHS with glowing marks - no pun intended. Eye-wink


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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 8:04pm.

it's to bad he retires this year, my girl has taken private lessons from him for a couple of years now.

I yam what I yam...Popeye


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Submitted by Enigma on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 7:39pm.

I hope this chilly weather isn't keeping you from enjoying those grandkids over spring break!

I see Hack has been traveling the world again...geez....some guys get all the breaks!

How could I ever forget about you? Your civility and common sense are like fresh air here!

Mark is doing great by the way. I have tried to get him back on but he claims he just doesn't need the hassle from the likes of “he who shall remain nameless”. I told him about ArmyMajor getting banned because of the “nameless” sludge crying like a wet baby and he just laughed. I think he already knew and I have a sneaky suspicion that he reads these blogs.

Anyway, it’s really good to hear from you. Take care and enjoy this upcoming spring - I love spring! By the way - do you have anyone graduating this year from FCHS? I know you have grandkids there.

Enigma


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Submitted by Tug13 on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 8:00pm.

You better not forget about me! Smiling Thanks for the kind words.
The grandchildren kept me busy last week! I don't have a grandchild graduating this year.

Our friend Hack has an interesting life, that's for sure.

Tell "Mark" to come back on here and all of us will ignore "nameless."

Spring is my favorite time of the year, except for the storms.

You take care too.
Tug


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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 5:31pm.

Enigma, you trivialize the death of our troops in Iraq when you compare their sacrifice to a traffic fatality. In today's modern world, things like traffic fatalities, suicides, and drug overdoses are sad but unavoidable. Sending troops into a hostile land, depriving them of the material needed to do their mission (body armor and up-armored humvees) is in no way shape or form comparable to a random civilian death, and your attempt to conflate the two is despicable.

You trivialize the death of soldiers.

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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 7:48pm.

I for one would prefer a death that mattered, fighting for something I value and believe in, rather than being broadsided by a drunken illegal alien like in VA Beach or L.A.

You trivialize the deaths of soldiers when you imply they could have been saved by some equipment. Some roadside IEDs will take out a tank. It is amazing that we won every war we did WITHOUT body Armor and uparmored HMMWVs!

Politics has no place on the battlefield and if Dems gave a care they would fund the troops, no strings attached, without PORK!

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Submitted by Basmati on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 9:48am.

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, the Iraq Body Count project is reporting a minimum of 60,835 civilian deaths in Iraq as of 4/8/2007.

Click here for THE IRAQ BODY COUNT PROJECT

But then, civilians don't count because "war is heck", right?
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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 11:18am.

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/ramsay200507260923.asp

Saddam's numbers:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5773

"DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 — surely a gross exaggeration — but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000. As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless."

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-12/09/content_288443.htm
"Saddam Hussein's government may have executed 61,000 Baghdad residents, a number significantly higher than previously believed, according to a survey obtained Monday by The Associated Press."

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Submitted by Enigma on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 10:47am.

I'm sorry, I was under actually the impression that you just wanted to bring back the American Servicemen and cut funding for the American Soldiers’ weapons, food, fuel, and equipment. I had no idea you wanted to bring home all of Iraq.

All of the stats were just that – stats. The fact that you see them as slanted explains why you can’t stand Fox News.

Baghdad is almost as dangerous as Washington dc – well not really- but it sounds good and talking about global warming and Katrina are a lot more fun than realizing how screwed up the democratically controlled areas of our nation are. (Like Nagin’s ‘chocolate city’.)

Anyway, read whatever you want in to the cold, hard numbers with your round little yellow shades there rice queen.

P.S. The Major sends his fond regards!

P.S.S. Major asks, "If it's a 'civil war', why do you blame the civilian casualties on the Americans?" Hummm... a Sunni bombs a Shiite and bassy blames America - nice bassy.

That "blame America first" is intrinsic in your liberal DNA isn't it Eye-wink


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Submitted by Basmati on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 12:56pm.

I'm intrigued by your comment that "Baghdad is almost as dangerous as Washington dc".

I propose the following: Why don't you spend one solid week walking around downtown Baghdad and I'll spend one solid week walking around downtown Washington D.C.

Then we can get together and compare notes!

Deal?
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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 8:05pm.

Crybaby, go hang out in Anacosita near Good Hope road. You won't make it past 10:00PM the first night. Not even on a Sunday.

You'll no doubt wet you pants just before you get "jacked-up".

I say you'll be a floater in the Anaxostia river for at least a week before anyone can tell or even care that your a corpse.

The police won't find enough of you to put in a crack envelope and mail back to your momma.

One good thing about the boys in the hood; they know how to keep the riff raff out.

Them maybe we'll get some payback for how you treat everyone on this blog.


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 12:39am.

Anacostia, the home of Saint Elizabeth's psychiatric Hospital, earlier known as the Government Hospital for the Insane?


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Submitted by Xaymaca on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 9:47am.

That is just the US militiary death toll, don't forget that does not include the deaths of Iraqi civilians which according to the Iraq Body Count (IBC) project is anywhere between 59,326 and 65,160. A John Hopkins University study has put the count a much higher number of 640,000 civilians killed since the 2003 invasion. Additionally, please remember that the butcher's bill does not include the 770 civilian contractors working for American companies that have also been killed. I'm missing your point of stacking up the stats of other types of deaths against the Iraq body count. Is the message that since we lose kids by suicide in college every year, that it's OK to lose a few in Iraq? Better for them to die pointlessly there than over here?


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Submitted by trentrivers on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 11:08am.

My brother is also construction work. Did you know more than 1,100 are killed every year in construction. in 5 years that is 5,500 or 4,700 more than you do in iraq. Oh also yes. Its better they die there for a proud reason to free a country than by drunks and things and gangs. you now think 640,000 killed in iraq too? I do not think it is.

Thank you
Trent


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 3:40am.

Iraqis have voted now for a couple of years. They have a Parliment. They have a police force and military. Since we have had troops die to "free" Iraq, it sounds like it's time to get our kids on the next ATA flight and bring them home to the victory parades. Unless of course, there is more to it than liberating Iraq.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by trentrivers on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 8:08pm.

I cannot understand all that you say but I know you are nice and my new friends like you. I like you to and i know that our warriors have to leave soon but we need to make them free. Free people will always live longer than those in a cage.

Thank you
Trent


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 04/12/2007 - 11:19pm.

But exactly what else can our military do to "free" people who have the right to vote, work, protest that they want us to leave, etc. You do know that 10,000 plus Iraqis protested that they wanted us out of their country last week, don't you? I say we oblige them, and return to containment from Turkey and Kuwait. Good night, my friend,

Kevin "Hack" King


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