Any drugs in that car?

Tue, 04/03/2007 - 4:36pm
By: The Citizen

Any drugs in that car?

Fayetteville Police K-9 Unit searches for a drug presence during a late Friday night road safety check along Stonewall Avenue. The road check, also conducted on Ga. Highway 85, resulted in two suspended license arrests and eight citations issued.

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Submitted by RuKiddin on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 10:23pm.

Just so you know, I can't stand having to listen to loud music, playing so loud that you don't have a choice in the matter. Any kind of loud music is not only an invasion of EVERYONE'S privacy, its against the law. It puts the average citizen in the position of being force-fed another person's views or taste.
It IS the beginning of the end when we allow this nonsense to blast on our city streets. I don't have any problem with private citizens listening to whatever they want. By why should you have to listen to what entertains me?
Once a criminal notices that we aren't enforcing basic law, then it sends an invitation out to every other county to, "come on in, no one is watching". Its not about writing tickets, its about stopping the action and talking to folks. God help us if this becomes the accepted and not the corrected.

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Submitted by The Silver Surfer on Fri, 04/13/2007 - 3:43pm.

I suppose youd like everyone to put thier cell phones on vibrate for you too? You dont want to hear others music? Roll up your windows, shut your doors, shut your mouth and play your own music.
Freedom of Speech.............Just watch what you say.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 04/13/2007 - 7:22pm.

I suppose youd like everyone to put thier cell phones on vibrate for you too?

I want folks to put their phones on vibrate when in restaurants and other places where others need not be bothered by the rude and loud cellular interruptions. It's just common courtesy. You won't ever hear mine.

You dont want to hear others music? Roll up your windows, shut your doors, shut your mouth and play your own music.'ve got a deal. But when my windows are up and I'm trying to listen to my music or enjoy a moment of peace while battling traffic why should I have to endure the ear torturing and gut rattling crap you call rap? Heck...when our guys do that to our enemies everyone is quick to condemn our military but when some Jack Rump Thug tortures myself and others you tell us to "shut your mouth".

Freedom of Speech.............Just watch what you say.

I can respect that. So watch what you force me to hear while I'm in traffic. Goes both ways friend.

BTW SS Dude. Nice Car....but you need to work on you punctuation and spelling. Eye-wink


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 04/13/2007 - 4:16pm.

Ever since buying one, I am a huge Infiniti fan. South Atlanta has the best service dept I'ver ever encountered, and the cars ROCK!!!!

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 04/13/2007 - 3:55pm.

An analysis of why people like you want everyone to hear your thumping and mumbling is that you have a severe inferiority complex.
You need attention in the worst way.
Your freedom ends where mine begins fellow.

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 7:58am.

I think what you are describing falls under what sociologists have called the "Broken Window Principle." Idea: If a building--particularly in an urban area--has a broken window that is left unrepaired, before too long ALL of the windows are broken. The perpetual state of disrepair says to criminal elements that no one really cares about the property.

This principle can be generalized. If a community tolerates the small infractions, including things like loitering, vagrancy, graffiti, or your example of loud music, this invites higher-level crime. On the other hand, a community where citizens are vigilant and where police enforce the minor rules is uninviting to the more serious crimes. The ideal is that the role of the police is not to fight serious crime but to prevent it. This principle flies in the face of the common complaint of the citizenry, "Why aren't you arresting REAL criminals instead of harrassing citizens?"

Of course, sadly, this means that I have to turn down the Allman Brothers Band just as surely as the thug must turn down his gangster rap. Smiling

Submitted by tikigod on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 11:26pm.

"God help us if this becomes the accepted and not the corrected."

my sentiments exactly

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Submitted by CCB on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 6:30pm.

The real problem is the dog peeing on the leather seats from the excitement. Sometimes they will chew on a seatbelt. Then the cop will yell at you for hindering the dog.

Submitted by tikigod on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 11:50am.

I recently have come home to Fayetteville from a long stint in Tennessee to find that my wonderful hometown has been invaded by the thugs of Clayton county. WONDERFUL! Now, depending on where that traffic stop was on 85, it seems to me like Fayette cops are more interested in harassing the citizens of our county than the real trouble makers. If you wanna do so called "traffic safety stops", do them on 85 N, 314 N and 54 E. Basically, at every point that roads enter Clayton and Fulton counties. Listen, busting people for weed is not going to do ANYTHING! It is a COMPLETE WASTE OF RESOURCES, they need to be concentration on the thugs that have so lovingly taken over the north end of Fayetteville.

A little tip to our impotent police force, a LARGE VISIBLE PRESENCE in the Pavilion and the shopping center behind ChicFilA would do wonders to keep the scum out of our town. Funny how the only time i have seen a cop up there is when they are off duty.

Oh and building the police department on the southside of town was nothing short of stupid.

One more thing, don't sit in a vacant parking lot when there is a group of thugs hanging out in another parking lot 200 yards away. MORONS

I could go on about how cars have been broken into behind ChicFilA while 2 or 3 cops were sitting in the Winn Dixie parking lot (where no one was), chatting it up, having a good time, but I will end my rant here.

BTW, i DO support effective law enforcement.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 6:15pm.

I bet you are the same guy who snivels about taxes being raised to pay for cops, and more firefighters?? Yes? Yes!

You can't have it both ways, either we pay a little more in property tax, or we have more crime......which do you want??? Well?

You and other citizens could do more to make these thug kids feel un-welcome here. Drive up behind them and blast the rap song that goes like this "if you're scared mother f_ _ _ _ _ go to church" and it gets very, very rank after that.....blast it at them....especially if you have a great sound system like Hardon Kardon in your has had a great effect on the brats in my neighborhood especially when they are trespassing after dark.

Try it ,'ll like it. What are they going to the cops and say you are picking on them? If they start to aim for you set off your car alarm, and you call the cops. If we work together we can make clayton crime thugs feel un-welcome here.

Submitted by tikigod on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 11:18pm.

last time i read my post i noticed it didnt make one mention of taxes... i really dont see why you even brought that up. and no, i wont zip it. do you live in Fayetteville? I do, i drive around it all day long. and i see the things i complained about happening all the time.

Ok, the sound system idea is ridiculous. First off, i dont have the money to waste on a sound system capable of overpowering most of the loud cars i pass on a daily basis. secondly, i like to hear things, id like to keep that going to an old age. btw, im sure you were joking.

It is not my responsibility to keep the thug type out of our city. now thats what i pay taxes for. it is illegal to play ones music at high levels where it bothers people in the area. what the hell am i supposed to do, make a citizens arrest?! jeez, this is all the responsibility of the police. The comments i made about the cops sitting in the winn dixie parking lot while cars were broken into at chick fil a are completely true. One of my best friends is a manager there, he has to constantly monitor the parking lot at night. where are the cops?! oh wait, i am supposed to pay taxes and also deal with criminals myself... what a DEAL! come on, keep telling me we have a great force........

and there is no way to defend building the police station on the southside of town. It should have been put in the middle of 85 N a la a tool booth Smiling

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 5:48am.

That would slow the clayton/fulton thugs down a little bit. I you are a resident who pays property taxes in Fayette you get get a free cruise card when you pay your tax bill. That way Fayette residents aren't punished, only the people who don't live here.

I still think we are short-handed at the sheriff's dept. and PTC police, I don't know how the Fayetteville police are doing.....maybe you guys pay your cops better than PTC.

I guess my point is to keep up with crime we probably need more cops.

I wasn't trying to be flip when I suggested the horrible rap music with lots of cussing.......It works......and it has done wonders in my neighborhood. If you take them by surprise, you can scare the snot out of thugs up to no good. Also a harmon kardon system isn't as expensive as would think.

As for your brothers problem......He can call the cops every time for noise violation. That is his right as a buisness owner. I hardly think chikfilet will go under because he chases off a couple of thug kids with loud music who are loitering on private property.

Even cops need 2 15 min. breaks, plus a 30min lunch break. That is per state law minimum break times that every employee is entitiled to.

Yes I still say we all need to work together to help catch the bad guys and make them move one. No one ever wants to get involved or call the cops when they see somone breaking the law. That's the problem.....if criminals knew that everytime someone here saw them shoplift, or break into a car that citizens were going to call the cops and pepper spray them until the cops arrested them.....they wouldn't come here.....they would quickly take there "buiseness" somewhere where they could get away with it.

Submitted by RuKiddin on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 10:53pm.

This great county of ours can still be saved. It will take some growing pains, but the answer is obvious and the answer is simple. You have to create and enviorment that is warm and friendly to the law abiding citizen. And hell and torment to the criminals.
Can you do this with the resources that are available to us right now? Yes and no. You have to improve some areas and bring in some new training while redirecting your personnel. I am speaking from experience.
Not only do you need K-9 units in the county, you need more of them and they have to work agressively. Guess what, people that smoke marijuana ALSO commit crimes. No, you don't have to arrest everyone that you find it on. Sometimes, you can find enough weed on someone to charge them but you don't. (Here's a secret, the only time a cop HAS to arrest someone is when it involves FAMILY VIOLENCE.) Otherwise, its officer discretion.
So, I agree with Skyspy's opinion. We may have to pay some higher taxes, but, in the long run, it will be worth it. Especially when your not taking an early trip to Mowells!

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Submitted by Enigma on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 9:06pm.

basmati- why no outrage like for the major- you had him banned .... where's the outrage and crying??

You got some 'splainin to do.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 9:17pm.

I wasn't cussing anyone,....I was describing a rap song that has been an effective crime prevention tool in my nieghborhood.

I wasn't purposly slandering someone, even a fictional character....which all of us with blogger names are.

I agree with you basmati was over-sensitive in the major deal. We are fictional characters so no harm can ever be done.

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Submitted by Basmati on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 9:15pm.

For the record, enigma, I did not ask that Herr Major be banned.

It was his own insistence that he was "above the rules" that was his undoing. I simply asked that two libelous accusations he made against me be deleted, and they were.

It was his own language that got him banned. Cal Beverly was very specific about what was acceptable regarding language on this site, and Herr Major essentially thumbed his nose at Cal and The Citizen with his profane outbursts.

His unrepentant attitude to this day speaks volumes regarding his lack of character, as does the fact that re-registered almost immediately. Even though Cal Beverly said he'd shut this site down and go to moderated comments if people re-registered after being banned.
Get your Klanpoints™ today!

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 8:57pm.

It's actually Harmon Kardon

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Submitted by nuk on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 6:23pm.

I don't know if this is about "supporting" the police or questioning the effectiveness of the tactics used. I think he/she is saying they support law enforcement, but feel like they could be more effective with their resources, especially in the Pavillion area.

I tend to agree, especially when I read about roadblocks. In case no one has noticed, it is EXTREMELY rare that PTC ever sets up a roadblock. They also don't "participate" in the Click-it-or-ticket hysteria every year. Several studies have shown that law enforcement is more effective PATROLLING their zones than several cars and cops standing in one road at a roadblock. I've always viewed roadblocks as lazy policing and also questionable from a civil liberties standpoint, something that a lot of people these days probably could care less about.


Submitted by IMNSHO on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 9:11pm.

Having seen several "safety checks" in action, I can tell you that most of the people that they arrest (usually for driving while suspended, or outstanding warrants, or DUI, not as often for drugs) are not from Fayette County. So they are catching the non-Fayette citizens.

If you think they're just busting people for weed, you are sadly mistaken. More often it is other drugs that they find.

Every single time I go to the Pavilion, I see a Fayetteville officer patrolling there. But if you want someone to just sit in the parking lot there, then you should ask the stores why they aren't willing to pay for that kind of security (which is what Walmart does overnight). The police dept does have other areas to patrol. It is unreasonable to expect them to only be in the Pavilion, or anywhere else, all the time.

Submitted by tikigod on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 2:02pm.

well, i certainly don't mind DUI checkpoints, however, i must be going to the pavilion at different times than you do. One of the things that bothers the ever living crap out of me is that the police just let the thug type ride through our city with their music at ASTRONOMICAL levels. I have seen these people pass cops time and time again, and they do nothing. I will have my windows rolled up and i can hear their music loud and clear.

how do you expect to keep the thugs out if you just let them do what they want? I want Fayetteville to be known as a strict city, one that does not welcome the ghetto mentality. but as it goes now, we have seem to laid the welcome mat out for them.

this bothers me so much cause i see my wonderful hometown going down the crapper and the police seem to be doing NOTHING about it....

Submitted by iDidntDoit on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 7:55pm.

if I'm getting this right, tiki. It is a TOTAL waste of time for the police to get the drug thugs (who are possibly supplying to the young) off the street. But by all means, go after those that play loud music???? Sure am glad you're not in charge around here. We would be a drug crazed county. But being a quiet county makes up for it I guess.

Submitted by tikigod on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 11:23pm.

uh, no. i was talking about marijuana. its not dangerous, shouldn't even be lumped in with things such as meth, coke, and the likes. go look up how many deaths are attributed to weed. good luck finding one!

checking for dui on the other hand, is essential.

btw, don't go off on that weak, predictable response of, "oh, just go back to your bong tiki...." think before you respond

Submitted by RuKiddin on Tue, 04/10/2007 - 12:44am.

What, you don't think dealers will kill people for Marijuana? Better do some more investigating. I personally know someone that got shot three times because he was doing a deal involving marijuana and then tried to kill three cops! Or, how about the idiot that fell asleep, because he was too damn high, and ran head long into oncoming traffic and killed an innocent priest? Thats two.
Yeah, I would rather deal with someone on weed then Alcohol, but, lets not ignore the truth. Marijuana can kill you in many different kind of ways. This is NOT a personal attack. These are the facts. Both of those incidents that I am talking about happened right here in "little ole fayette".
I also talked about the tax thing because this is something I feel is important. So Don't get so darn defensive. If you smoke, then you roll the dice. If you don't like the law, then elect someone to change it. But, it IS AGAINST THE LAW.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 8:19pm.

Dark windows and loud music are usually associated with drugs, or someone who just wants to play games with the cops and insult the public.
If the cops would leave the teenagers alone who are just showing off and aren't criminals, and concentrate upon criminals, we would soon run them all off.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Mon, 04/09/2007 - 8:24pm.

If they act like the criminals you have to treat them like the criminals, so tell us dollar if they all have dark windows and loud music how do you tell them apart?

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 04/08/2007 - 4:01pm.

Let's hope they do target clayton residents and make them feel unwelcome.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Thu, 04/05/2007 - 11:11am.

You should consent if you have nothing to hide

I see, so the 4th Amendment was created ONLY to protect criminals. This whole mentality you people keep of "Cops are heroes and should be allowed to do whatever they want because they know better than we do" is BS and by placating to warrantless searches, (guilty or not) you're just creating inroads for them to infringe on even more of our rights.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Thu, 04/05/2007 - 11:15am.

The Supreme Court did find drug checkpoints unconstitutional in November of 2000 in City of Indianapolis v. Edmond.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Wed, 04/04/2007 - 9:18am.

Because I could have sworn that the US Supreme Court held that drug checkpoints were unconstitutional a few years ago. I guess if they can call it a "Road Safety-Check" then it's constitutional. Reminder to all: NEVER consent to a search!

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 04/04/2007 - 10:12pm.

As long as you aren't doing any thing wrong a "road safety check" shouldn't be a problem. A "road safety check" would have kept my brother from getting hit by a drunk driver. A "road safety" check is a GOOD thing.

Of course if you are in the habit of ALWAYS doing something wrong........maybe you should be a afraid...

Thats right ..... I almost are the one who thinks it's ok for kids to shoot up neighborhoods .....because it feels good.....hmmmmmmmm!

Hide your drugs cowptip.....this is Fayettnam......and the good boys will get you!! Whether you consent to it or not!!

Submitted by IMNSHO on Wed, 04/04/2007 - 5:35pm.

NEVER consent to a search!

Fortunately most of the drug users are stupid enough to have their drugs or paraphernalia in plain sight, or even to throw it at the officers (as happened in Fayetteville last week), making consent to search unnecessary.

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Submitted by John Munford on Wed, 04/04/2007 - 7:50pm.

Sometimes probable cause wafts out at the cops. In January it happened at a roadblock in the county when the driver merely rolled down his window (insert your own Cheech and Chong punch line here).

Needless to say the scent from the smoke was more than enough for probable cause and a trip to the jail.

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Submitted by Enigma on Wed, 04/04/2007 - 5:55pm.

The K9 is 'non-invasive' and does not constitute an 'invasion of privacy' if he is a passive alert dog. If the dog happens to be in close proximity providing protection for a handler or as part of random checks and is 'in the vicinity' and alerts, shazam, you no longer need permission. A warrant can be obtained with a dog alert if need be. Just make sure you Mirandize the suspect once a dog alerts and you affect an arrest. Of course, defense attorneys love to argue all of these intricacies. Not that I would ….. would you Richard? Eye-wink

Submitted by IMNSHO on Wed, 04/04/2007 - 6:19pm.

I wasn't saying to never consent to a search (I was quoting), and wasn't saying that the K9 alerting didn't constitute probable cause. I was just saying that so many times the druggies make it easy for the cops by leaving it out in the open. Smiling

And I agree with Concerned Citizen... agree to the search. If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 04/05/2007 - 4:33am.

So, we add one more bill of right: The cops have a right to search you or your house or your car or anything else of yours at anytime, since if you aren't guilty you have nothing to hide.
I had three groups yesterday go through my home at different times! They like to have torn the doors off my auto trying to find dope in the door. The dog defecated in the back seat.
My garage will never be the same since each group tore up something else.
My neighbors are wanting to move out, afraid there is something really wrong at my place.
My credit rating is ruined due to my neighbors sending in pictures of fourteen cop cars in my driveway at once.
They said they would be back when I was least expecting them. I got a ticket for grass too high.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen on Wed, 04/04/2007 - 6:07pm.

Yes, if the drugs can be detected from outside the vehicle, a search will be conducted, your expectation of privacy ends at the physical boundaries of your car.

CONSENT TO ALL SEARCHES! People who don't consent are weak minded criminals. You have nothing to hide, just give it up.

Enigma, why Mirandize? The dope has already been found, case closed..the loser is just going to lie anyway. "Thats not MY meth, I'm holding it for a friend."

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