The point is that (most)everyone has moral views of certain acts that they believe to be wrong. It seems Christians are the only one's who incur your wrath when expressing this. Islam does have certain ethics, but since they include using their children as car bombs, I stand by the belief that the Judeo-Christian worldview is superior, both historically and ethically to anything else you can name.

BTW-how do you define pious?

The Koran does not mention "using children as car bombs" anymore than the Bible condones youth ministers having sex w/ boys (today in Gainesville), visiting porn chatrooms (Tyrone), Gay sex & meth (Denver), Crusades or Inquisitions.

Pious: devout, virtuous.

Is your doctarate in "Intelligent Design"? I would like to announce the formation of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster PTC (I Want to Believe). Pirates will Rule and I am only here for the BOOTY.

I suspect Denise is a Doctor in Megatrivia and Occult Sciences (just like me). Did you attend college in Transilvania?

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How about sticking with what I said and not what you want to hear.

Never mentioned the Koran condoning human bombs. I'm condemning what people do - not what they say. Enough Al-Qaeda training materials have been found (by the US and England) that demonstrate that using children as living bombs is a standard operating procedure for this group. That's a fact.

Here's another fact (you will find this in the Koran) the Islamic worldview does not consider women and Jews equal to Muslim men in most areas.

You said, "Islam is not an unethical belief."

So you approve of the Koran's view of Jews?

I think you don't like how I respond to what you write...not what I hear.

There is a whole bunch of "christain" propooganda found in Idaho

Doesn't the Bible have something about..."git behind me woman"?

Many women willingly follow Islamic beliefs. Do you think the Jews during the Inquistion felt accepted?

As a religion Islam has always been very tolerate of other views...more so than the "christain". Your viewpoint is very xenophobic but that is what I would expect.

http://www.venganza.org/ I am all about the Flying Spagehetti Monster.

I am almost positive you are an "Intelligent" Designest and that is what your doctorate is about.

Aren't you a little old to be riding a bicycle? You old men in spandex are both gross and annoying to say the least. If we are lucky one of those cars with the plastic fish on back will run you over. Try going to the gym or running on a track and leave the little bicycles to the little kids. If I hit you the last thing you will see is a Harley Sticker or a diver down flag on my rear bumper - does that make you feel better?

My plastic fish has feet on it.

There are some, however I've never actually seen any, bicycle riders who do obey the traffic laws of this state.

The ones I've attempted to run over are the ones that ride in packs of 10 or more and ride three and four abreast along Redwine road.

I did enjoy blasting the last such group of road hogs with my trucks air horns. They weren't expecting it and at least two of them swerved into two or three others.

I did almost jump the curb as I looked into my rear view mirror to watch the five of them were still tumbling/sliding.

The moral of this story is don't laugh so hard you can't drive.

In Fayette County you will never see any cyclist obey GA traffic laws.

Their "bike club" tells them they don't have to obey any of them. The sheriff's dept. backs up that belief by not ticketing them.

Keep cycling down here, because if you morons go up north, you will get fined, and if you get hit.....while breaking the traffic laws (ie riding more than 2 across, not riding as far to the right as possible, obeying red lights etc.) the driver will be able to sue you for damages,...if you survive.

Also last month in Alpharetta a man was killed because he rode his bike against the light. The unfortunate driver was not charged, because the idiot cyclist was breaking the law big time.

Come on Randall you won your little spat with the commissioners.....lets get back to enforcing the law.

I believe that atheists proudly display the fish with feet symbol.

Go here to buy one:

sciwear.com/pd_darwin.cfm OR

evolvefish.com/

Where you can find "lots of new 'Bush bashing' stickers for our many Progressive, America-loving friends," "In-Their-Face political or social statements" buttons, "a tin of Impeachmints," "Get-Out-Of-Hell-Free cards," & let's not forget what every liberal needs - "50 Simple Things You Can Do to Fight the Right."

"Progressive" - My, how liberals love that word now. It gives the illusion of moving forward, advancing. But it's the same old theme that brought down the Greek civilization & the Roman Empire (personal and governmental corruption). Study history.

"99% of the time" - Is that figure based on a random sample, & what is the margin of error (99%)?

"I thought the separation of church and state" - "Thought" - Are you sure about that?

"the separation of church and state" - Not in the Constitution. Try reading it.

"Think of where we would all be had the separation not been included." - THINK instead being driven by ignorance and emotion is my suggestion.

"personal moral choices" - They have far-reaching consequences - adultery & the devastating effect of divorce on children & the faithful spouse; STDs that are so wide-spread that the CDC calls them an EPIDEMIC; abortion that ends the life of one of the parties; child pornography & pedophilia that wound children, often for a lifetime (NAMBLA would disagree on these last 2), etc.

Spartan Caver, "fanaticism is fanaticism"!

I don't think that bad driving has become partisan yet.

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Basmati, friend, it seems you stepped on a fire ants nest here. You see, this is PTC, GEORGIA, homeland of the Christianist and the Christian right, where there are probably more church buildings than bars and movies.
Ms Conner seems to be one of those who attends church as part of her weekly fix to feel good about herself so she can go on in this blog calling you names. Church have become entertainment centers, social concentrations of wanting to feel good and have a good time. How far religion is from thetrue message of Jesus who called to speak, advocate, act on behalf of those without voice (read the poor, the destitute, the foreigners--yes the immigrants, the excluded). Instead of this, the modern merchants of religion show their rolexes on TV appearances, build bigger and more luxurious cathedrals and church buildings and preach a scandalous teology of prosperity and disregard for those who do not share their twisted gospel.
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"Ms Conner seems to be one of those who attends church as part of her weekly fix to feel good about herself so she can go on in this blog calling you [Basmati] names."

Are you sure about that? I don't take drugs (except caffeine, if that counts).

Church - Have I met you there?

I FEEL rather good about myself already, for a "wench" (according to "Hack" AF A-10), & I don't need Norman Vincent Peale's Power of Positive Thinking.

Calling Basmati names? He seems to have first prize in that department, according to many who post here. His latest names for are "crone" & "nerd."

Maybe he was looking at your picture and got us confused.

"those without voice (read the poor, the destitute, the foreigners--yes the immigrants, the excluded)"

Funny, I hear their "voice" all the time -- Dems calling for MORE TAXES, everywhere I go Spanish is our 2nd language (trying to be #1), La Raza demonstrations, CAIR . . . .

For pics, see http://www.michellemalkin.com/archives/004962.htm

"La Raza" is Spanish for "The Race." "According to GOP Rep. Charlie Norwood of Georgia, The Race snapped up $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone and more than $30 million since 1996. Undisclosed amounts went to get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions. The U.S. Department of Education funneled nearly $8 million in taxpayer grants to the group for a nationwide charter schools initiative."

Read here for the whole story:

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/michelle/malkin071206.php3?printer_friendly

And then the ACLU (& Basmati) is intent on silencing the "Christian Right."

But there's still TALK RADIO, the internet, Fox News (when they can get off Silicon Anna).

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"The modern merchants of religion show their rolexes [sic] on TV appearances, build bigger and more luxurious cathedrals and church buildings and preach a scandalous teology [sic] of prosperity and disregard for those who do not share their twisted gospel."

Do you mean Dr. Creflo A. Dollar's World Changers Church International or Dr. Robert H. Schuller's Crystal Cathedral?

"Dollar is sometimes criticized for advocating a prosperity-oriented teaching held by most Christians to be a misreading of Christian theology . . . . Many of Dollar's church members believe that his Rolls-Royce automobiles, which were given to him by the church, his private jet, and million-dollar Atlanta home and multimillion-dollar Manhattan apartment confirm the validity of his prosperity gospel teachings . . . . Dollar's church has amassed a fortune in real estate, mostly in College Park."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creflo_Dollar

http://www.letusreason.org/Poptea1.htm

Creflo Dollar Ministries and Crystal Cathedral Ministries: "demonstrates no financial transparency about the organization, which prevents any assessment of financial efficiency."

http://www.ministrywatch.org/mw2.1/F_SumRpt.asp?EIN=000005020

http://www.ministrywatch.org/mw2.1/F_SumRpt.asp?EIN=000005005

"Gospel entrepreneurs: Jesus is good for business"
http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=3891

Just be sure not to put all churches and Christians into this mold.

"Now these [believers at Berea] were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so." Good advice to follow.

Revelation 3 (King James Version of the Bible):

15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue [vomit] thee out of my mouth.

17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Denise, you said "And then the ACLU (& Basmati) is intent on silencing the "Christian Right."

While I cannot speak for the ACLU, I assure you that I in no way shape or form wish to silence you or any of your "Christian Right" brethren.

In fact, just the opposite is true!

I want you to post more!

To my mind, your transparent intellectual dishonesty, gussied up with random Bible quotes, tangential cut-and-paste and scattershot bold words shows the absolute paucity of your argument.

You drive more people away from your position with your rigid tautologies and inflexible doctrinaire responses than I could ever hope to with my criticisms and commentaries, so I admit I have a vested interest in keeping you and your ilk talking!

Like the old liberal television network NBC used to say "The more you know...."
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Haven't read Eric Metaxas's Amazing Grace: William Wilberforce and the Heroic Campaign to End Slavery but think it is definitely food for thought. It is available at the PTC library, as well as Hero for Humanity: A Biography of William Wilberforce by Kevin Charles Belmonte and a few other books about the reformer.

"Metaxas discovers in this unsung hero a man of whom it can truly be said: he changed the world. Before Wilberforce, few thought slavery was wrong. After Wilberforce, most societies in the world came to see it as a great moral wrong . . . . This account of Wilberforce's life will help many become acquainted with an exceptional man who was a hero to Abraham Lincoln and an inspiration to the anti-slavery movement in America."

http://www.amazon.com/Amazing-Grace-William-Wilberforce-Campaign/dp/0061173002

"Two centuries ago, a British backbencher changed an entire way of seeing the world."

"But the costume dramatics and the contemporary emotionalizing [of the recent film] miss the scale of the abolitionist's achievement. 'What Wilberforce vanquished was something even worse than slavery,' says Metaxas, 'something that was much more fundamental and can hardly be seen from where we stand today: he vanquished the very mindset that made slavery acceptable and allowed it to survive and thrive for millennia. He destroyed an entire way of seeing the world, one that had held sway from the beginning of history, and he replaced it with another way of seeing the world.'"

"As [Wilberforce] wrote in 1787, 'God almighty has set before me two great objects: the suppression of the slave trade and the reformation of manners.'"

"The latter goal we would now formulate as 'changing the culture' -- which is what he did . . . . The 18th- century Church of England preached 'a tepid kind of moralism' disconnected both from any serious faith and from the great questions facing the nation. It was a sensualist culture amusing itself to death: Wilberforce goes to a performance of Don Juan, is shocked by a provocative dance, and is then further shocked to discover the rest of the audience is too blasé even to be shocked. The Paris Hilton of the age, the Prince of Wales, was celebrated for having bedded 7,000 women and snipped from each a keepsake hair. Twenty-five per cent of all unmarried females in London were whores; the average age of a prostitute was 16; and many brothels prided themselves on offering only girls under the age of 14."

"But the life of William Wilberforce and the bicentennial of his extraordinary achievement remind us that great men don't shirk things because the focus-group numbers look unpromising."

"His legacy includes the very notion of a 'social conscience': in the 1790s, a good man could stroll past an 11-year-old prostitute on a London street without feeling a twinge of disgust or outrage; he accepted her as merely a feature of the landscape, like an ugly hill. By the 1890s, there were still child prostitutes, but there were also charities and improvement societies and orphanages."

"A 'social conscience' obliges the individual to act. Today we call for action all the time, but mostly from government, which is another way of excusing us and allowing us to get on with the distractions of the day."

"The hardest thing in any society is 'the reformation of manners.'"

http://www.macleans.ca/homepage/magazine/article.jsp?content=20070319_103231_103231

Denise,

You are a breath of fresh air to the comments section. I hope you keep on writing.

TheBeav,

I hope I can keep writing - it's good for the brain.

When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber.

- Winston Churchill

JeffC, after reading the last several posts by DeniseC, I think Denise C., in a much calmer and more articulate fashion, can explain why I am no longer a Democrat.

Thanks for asking but, in a nutshell, it’s a culmination of lifelong beliefs combined with a hard move to the extreme left by the Democratic Party leadership.

"I know how ugly Democrat women usually are."

-- "Married Men Hitting on Poor Denise"
-- Submitted by Enigma on Fri, 04/06/2007 - 5:45pm.

OK, you've tempted me . . . .

http://rightvoices.com/2005/08/18/republican-women-vs-democrat-women/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1399310/posts

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-hillarydarthvader.htm

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blhillaryclintonpictures.htm

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blhillaryclintonpictures.htm

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058257/posts

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-kerrystuckiniraq.htm

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The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.
- Winston Churchill

If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time-a tremendous whack.
- Winston Churchill

Out! Out! You demons of stupidity!

Thanks Denise, and while those are all good reasons, those are not THE reasons.

As a small sample of why I am no longer a Democrat:

I love this country and I am proud to be an American. I do not think we should tell the terrorists how long they have to keep it up before we leave them

I believe that discrimination is wrong - even when it's against Christians, Whites, Heterosexuals, and Conservatives.

I do not believe that buying ‘carbon credits’ from your own company will make up for using 22 times the average household consumption of electricity in one of your four houses. (Not to mention private jet transport.)

I do not believe the United Nations represents any of America’s Interests and I would love to see the crooked organization disbanded.

I think Condi Rice is 100 times smarter than Maxine Waters and I do not think that Clarence Thomas is Uncle Tom – I think Al Sharpton is.

I don’t think Teddy Kennedy should even be a free man, much less a self proclaimed champion of women’s rights.

I could go on and on….. but the bottom line is, these beliefs and many more I hold just do not square with the 'new' Democratic Party.

I should have listened to Zell Miller when he said it – I did not abandon the party – the party abandoned me.

Just look how they repaid Joe Lieberman after 30 years of dedicated service and a run at the VP job.

You knew I was comming. I must say that this will be my last post of the night. I found your above reasons for leaving the democratic party absolutely amazing. I'll try to be concise:

1: Timelines in Iraq: Do you remember this: "As they stand up, we'll stand down." What happenned? 4 plus years and we're standing up even more including second year deployments for reservists. That has never happenned before in our nation's history. A timeline doesn't tell a terrorost that the guards are going home, it tells the terrorists that come 2008, the keepers of the peace will be Iraqis and speak Arabic. If Iraqis aren't capable of policing their own country after 5+ years, what in the heavens is going to change it at year 6 or 7 or 8? The leaders of your new party told us a year ago that the insurgency was in its last throws, and that things were going better than the media portrays. Every military training course I have ever undertaken had a time line. If you didn't cut it, you simply weren't up for the job. And with respect to Kosovo, then Gov Bush said that we should never undergo ill defined missions without exit strategies. What happenned to that idea? And as a nation at war, why has the nation not been called to sacrifice? REAL sacrifice? I don't feel the Republican party offers straight talk anymore.

2. I believe torture is inhuman. We should never require someone to torture another human being as part of their job description. We have no credibility to complain about the treatment of the British detainees due to Abu Graib. Detainees were made much more than uncomfortable at Abu Graib, because our Republican leadership did not err on the side of the Geneva Conventions. This is a black eye that will need much time to heal.

3. Changing party affiliation because Al Gore has a big house is amazing. The President flies around in a 747-400, and that doesn't bother me one bit.

4. Ted Kennedy should be in jail? Hang on to your hat. In High School, the First lady ran a stop sign and killed a teenage boy with her car. There was not one charge filed, and I'm not sure why the conservative historical traffic police never mention her. You'd think she is one of the 5 repulicans who went to Syria last week; absolutely invisible to conservatives. On Fox news they even talked about Pelosi wearing an appeasing head scarf, until an honest guest pointed out that Condi Rice and Laura Bush wore the same thing when in the region. Makes you say, hmmmm.

5. Lastly, Condi Rice: Her credibility was permanently damaged for me when, after allowing the "16 little words" about nukes and Iraq sneek into the President's State of the Union, she actually referred to them as "16 little words." WE WENT TO WAR fueled by these "16 little word," yet she has seen fit to minimize every misstep to the point of not being accountable at all. I choose not to ignore being misled into combat actions which kill Americans with no exit strategy or accountability for mismanagement. I don't like deficits. I don't like perjury. I don't like politicizing the DOJ or Supreme Court. I don't like using gays as punching bags come election time while fully supporting your wonderful gay daughter. Which is it? Immoral abomination or lifestyle choice?

Good luck on a candidate, Enigma, but I believe that the blind support of rehtoric wrt Iraq is going to make 08 a very, very bad experience for your new party.

Cheers, and good night

Kevin "Hack" King

What part of "... a few of the many reasons..." are you having trouble understanding? Come on guy - you're Air Force.

Additionally, from the brief few statements I made you have determined that I have a "blind support" for a party line?

Al Gore's house didn't influence me to change parties; however, his hypocrisy and the celebrity status that democrats have raised him to does exemplify the new left - but that is just my long thought out opinion.

I also noticed that you brought in at least two family members of Republican politicians in to your diatribe. Now you and I know that’s a red herring Hack.

No Hack, sorry, but I don’t buy in to double standards. Last time I checked Laura Bush was not a US Senator but Teddy was.

I also noticed that you were ‘anxious’ to have England bomb Iran..... that’s interesting Hack. Aluminum showers only come after several are already on the ground providing weather and radar support. I have actually been to Iran (but not Italy) have you? It was uninvited back when JeffC’s dad was in office.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion - and I mine.

I will confess to you that we (CCs) often felt like you guys (pilots) should get your hands dirty a little more but we never questioned your patriotism or devotion to duty. Using your logic, was my choice to be a CC the wrong one because it wasn't what YOU chose? Let me answer that one for you Hack, No.

No Major, sorry, but I am very comfortable with my ‘new’ choice. After the hangover indeed. You remind me of the Black Cat Pilots (U2) at the 6903 ESS in Korea who used to try to convince me to go to flight school. I liked them – they just drank too much (I guess the O2 suits take the hangover right out of the equation- besides, all they had to do was take off and land - we did the rest).

At 49, there really isn't a lot you can convince me of.

Regardless, feel free to tell me that I am wrong and you are right - who knows - since I am so ‘weak minded’ and uncommitted - I could change my mind again. I pride myself in keeping an open mind.

I know you are a good man Hack. You will not be my only Democrat friend - just the smartest one.

Primos Eos Young Blood

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If you take time to list reasons, I must assume they are of some importance, yes? Not YOUR blind support for cut and run rehtoric. You aren't up for reelection. I'm speaking of the McCain straight talk express types and the 20 some GOP Senators up for election. Pragmatically, it isn't looking good.
Now, is the law different for Senators and citizens? Or is traffic law traffic law? Is vehicular manslaughter the red herring I brought up or youuu brought up? Has the First Lady entered into political discussions about the media bias? Yes. Is she open to account? Yes. Mary Cheney is a very valid indicator of hypocrisy. Think of her as the counterbalance of the AL GORE house hypocrisy. One guy warns of global warming. He is rich and owns alot of property (something oddly attacked by conservatives). The other man is in a party that by and large uses gay marraige and benefits as a political wedge, yet he supports a daughter's choice to pair with a woman and raise a child. I think the gay issue is more politics than conviction with many in your party.

You absolutely lost me on the Combat Controller thing. Not sure what that has to do with democrat or republican. Anyhow, I'm not trying to change your mind. We are raising plenty of money from people looking for more of a change. I just am trying to understand your reasoning. I am absolutely positively hitting the hay with my head now. Take care,

Hack

I predicated my sample list by saying it was, well, a “sample list”. Enough said. I am sure in the coming political season you will see and hear more reasons.

I want to explain the Gore ‘thing’. I have never heard any Republican criticize his wealth or success. I certainly have no qualms with his wealth, his private jet flights, or his success. I applaud it and, despite the Zinc mine pollution fiasco, I am glad to see that, as a Democrat, he does not appear to have his father’s (another Democrat) disdain for civil rights.

No Hack, it’s not his millions. It’s his HYPOCRASY that reeks! (Not unlike like the ‘Two Americas” platform of the trail lawyer who claims to be a ‘common man’ but lives in a 22,000 square foot house.)

If Al Gore wants to make a living professing to be a great conservator of green, shouldn’t his ‘carbon footprint’ be less that say …… SOMEONE …. in the known universe? Let’s be honest, Al Gore has polutted the environment with his jet setting and zinc mines more that you or I ever could. Couldn’t he just fly first class instead of in a private jet? Isn’t anyone on the left going to call him on it? Ever? By the way, do ‘carbon offsets’ go up in to the stratosphere and repair damage to the ozone layer? If so, I stand corrected and s a physicist I was simply unaware of that miraculous phenomenon.

No, it’s not the money Hack – it’s the double standard of his blatant HYPOCRASY that turns my stomach. This, in my opinion, is not an isolated double standard among liberals.

As far as running a stop sign by a civilian, who does not claim to be a ‘champion of stopping at stop signs’ being equivalent to a drunk driver running his mistress in to the Chappaquiddick river, leaving her to drown, and then sneaking home to change, nap, and finally call the police several hours later who then claims to be a “champion of women’s rights” well, honestly, I can’t help you with that one if you truly require an explanation.

I am still surprised you would bring in lesbian daughters and wives driving records in to a discussion but you have to do what you have to do I guess.

You will find one of the great things about being in the ‘big tent party’ is that you can be gay or straight (log cabin Republicans), you can be rich or poor, you can be white or black, and you can be pro-life or pro-choice. You can even be pro civil union or not – like Dick Cheney.

As for my unsuccessful attempt at an analogy, I will attempt to clarify. You and I have chosen different careers. Both involved the military but they were very different even when we were in the same branch of the military and away from the ‘real world’.

The point I was trying to make was that party politics, like military careers is not a one size fits all – it’s not always “I’m right and you are wrong”. Despite that fact that you may feel like your way is the correct way, be it in politics, or military careers, it may not be what I feel is correct and it may not be correct for me.

Your reference to binge drinking and hangovers, along with your picture of your dad in a jump seat, brought back memories of the Black Cat pilots at Osan. They would get as drunk as skunks the night before they flew a mission (most times) and we would try to keep up with them. The next morning was usually funny as heck. Since they flew well above the atmosphere in the U2, the oxygen in their suits apparently helped with the hangovers. Of course, they did have to land on one wheel.

Regardless, now you work for delta and I have changed careers al together. I have followed the footsteps of “Myword_Mark” to some extent. He is the one who talked me in to going back and getting a Masters Degree and working in the job I have now. Some days I could kill him for it – but he is the last one that will ever talk me in to anything I assure you.

Come over to the light – leave the darkside – it’s a big tent Hack!

Enigma
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I did listen to Zell Miller! A Democrat willing to vote Republican based on principles, not blind hatred.

My favorite part about Zig Zag Zell is two-fold. I like the way he glowingly praised John F. Kerry in 2003, and then lampooned him in 2004. The votes he used had been cast when Zell made glowing JFKerry remarks. Which was the real Zell? The second, and even more accurate view into Zell's skewed inner workings was the "spit balls" for defense comment in using double counts on Kerry's defense spending votes to inflate systems he voted against. Zell forgot to tell us two things: 1) the majority of congress voted against many of the same budget items in the post Desert Strom draw down to.... drum roll please.... Balance the Budget. and 2) Dick Cheney, as Sec Def, supported many of the same funding cuts to BALANCE THE BUDGET. Yes. Yes... Good ole Zig Zag Zell Miller.

Cheers bella,

Kevin "Hack" King

Hack, I loveee alliteration but assonance is better when talking to Basmati.

You and JeffC jump on me when I dare say anything nice about an errant Democrat. Will you list all of Hillary's faults if I say that I plan to vote for her (women's rights & all of that)?

If another Democrat says the things that Zell has said about defending our country and ending abortion, I'll listen to him also.

http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/multimedia/16853061.htm

Are you mad at Zell because he was a waffler but it took Kerry to make it profitable?

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-kerrywafflehouse.htm

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blpic-kerryreporting.htm

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I strongly opposed REPUBLICAN Don Balfour's push to mandate the HPV vaccine. I consider him a waffler, too. Hmmm, isn't he an executive for Waffle House?

Did you read Bill Shipp's column in the Fayette Neighbor? (Is he a Democrat?)

"considering his skill at adapting to political trends. That's why some have suggested his statue at the state Capitol should be a weather vane. Ah, but that idea is much too mean. A statue of Miller facing his beloved mountains would be more appropriate, but it should at least portray Zell with his finger in the air."

http://www.neighbornewspapers.com/345/10253955.txt

Hope I don't get censored

See here for Zell's stance on the issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Zell_Miller.htm

I well realize Zell's political shifting, but he does make a good speech and some points with which I agree.

I agree with his reason for supporting Republicans, whom he saw as having "the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my family."

From his Marine sergeant background perhaps, he questioned, "Now, while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrat's manic obsession to bring down our Commander in Chief."

"Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.

And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American troops occupiers rather than liberators."

"They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism — it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.
They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war. They were wrong."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/01/politics/main640299.shtml

What does he have to gain from these comments but harsh criticism and ostracism from life-long "friends"?

Could he maybe have had a change of mind? Time will tell.

of waffles and flip flops continuously served hot off the grill by Romney (gay marraige, abortion, whether he really hunts or not), McCain (Petraus travels in unarmed vehicles and Baghdad is safe to stroll through), and Giuliani (Berny Kerik and me, my first two wives and me, my kids and me, abortion and gay marraige and me). My head is still spinning. With Zell, he just seems unstable. I recall him challenging Chris Matthews to a duel when Chris pointed out the inaccuracy of his representing of Kerry's voting record. It was classic!

Kevin "Hack" King

ps: We can both agree that Hillary will not again occupy the White House; com certeza!

Definitely, from both sides! But I notice you failed to list any from Democrats. An oversight, I'm sure.

Zell, "unstable"? Maybe just getting a litle old, like we all will, or lost his temper, like we all do. (I'm just glad that my *rare* tantrums aren't caught on video & broadcast over & over!) Chris Matthews can have that effect at times.

Well, here are a few more criticisms about Republicans. I'm a conservative first, not a Republican.

For inside info on Newt Gingrich, read Sen. Tom Coburn's book Breach of Trust: How Washington Turns Outsiders Into Insiders.

The book detailed Coburn's perspective on the internal Republican Party debates over the "Contract With America" and displayed his disdain for career politicians. Some of the figures he criticized (such as Gingrich) were already out of office at the time of publishing, but others (such as former House Speaker Dennis Hastert) remained very influential in Congress, which resulted in speculation that some congressional Republicans wanted no part of Coburn's return to politics.

The key phrase is "career politicians." That's why I supported outsider Herman Cain over Johnny Isakson after meeting Cain & listening to his ideas. I appreciated his courage to incur the ire of the Republican Party because he dared to by-step their entitlement process. I like listening to him on the radio -- seems like a nice guy.

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I am never going to have anything more to do with politics or politicians. When this war is over I shall confine myself entirely to writing and painting. - Sir Winston Churchill

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"We can both agree that Hillary will not again occupy the White House; com certeza!"

How about some comment on that?

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Note to Basmati & the Edit Police -

I restrained myself & used no BOLD emphasis in order not to overload your comprehension ability.

The one exception is the title of a book within a quotation. I attempted to code underlining but was not successful. Any suggestions?

The bold emphasis is my way of helping all of us who, at times, have time only to scan posts. It also helps to fix certain words or phrases in my brain, evidently a mental deficiency.

My highlighting has been of help to others, though, because I was paid for my highlighting of textbooks in college when asked for help in passing classes or, even better, getting an A. Old habits die hard.

The quotation about Coburn's book is used to give a summary of the book since I've not read it recently. I will reread it if Newt decides to run.

All other blogging etiquette rules and suggestions will hereby be taken under advisement.

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It is a good thing for an uneducated man to read books of quotations. Bartlett's Familiar Quotations is an admirable work, and I studied it intently. The quotations when engraved upon the memory give you good thoughts. They also make you anxious to read the authors and look for more. - Sir Winston Churchill

The key phrase is "career politicians." That's why I supported outsider Herman Cain over Johnny Isakson after meeting Cain & listening to his ideas. I appreciated his courage to incur the ire of the Republican Party because he dared to by-step their entitlement process. I like listening to him on the radio -- seems like a nice guy.

Denise,

You would love Herman. When he ran against that useless political hack Isakson, Herman came by my place of business to personally thank me for a contribution. When he called I figured he was going to come by for 3 minutes and blow smoke up my kazoo and give me some Wastemoreland sound bites like so many of these clowns have done over the years. Quite the opposite. He told his campaign aide to relax for a while and Herman spent an hour and half with me discussing my business, family and history. Of course I quizzed him too as his being a seasoned and successful businessman I was searching for nuggets of wisdom and advice. One thing about Herman is that he is as genuine as he appears.

Herman was not being a politician that day. Heck, we hardly talked politics at all. He was being a friend that truly appreciated my contribution and sign pounding efforts. He was friendly, caring and a true gentleman. My only regret is that I couldn't have him as a mentor in my daily life.

You would love him and I know Hack would get off on him too.

I restrained myself & used no BOLD emphasis in order not to overload your comprehension ability.

Girl...you just GO with the BOLD. The rest of us have the cognitive skills to recognize the emphasis and emotion you are attempting to share with the bloggers here. I've noticed that when several on here have a problem with the content of your message they choose to slam your writing style instead. Ignore it. Every time you change and give up a piece of who you are or what you stand for they will jump up and try to take the next chunk out of your.... well let's just say your "rumpus".

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you!

Interesting insight about Herman Cain: "friendly, caring and a true gentleman." -- Quite the opposite of Basmati, from what I've observed here.

Just what I noticed when Mr. Cain was talking to people, answering questions -- down-to-earth guy. A lot of good conservative principles that I believe he'd hold on to in Washington -- not just talking points to get elected.

Didn't he have cancer a while back? He was on the radio Saturday; hopefully, he's OK now.

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Glad your "cognitive skills" are so tolerant of my "writing style"

"Every time you change and give up a piece of who you are or what you stand for they will jump up and try to take the next chunk out of your...." THANKS!!!!

I try not to listen to what politicians say about themselves. They usually leave the bad stuff out. I definitely listen to what credible people convey about a candidate. I like Mr. Cain already. Just the fact that he would pass an hour and a half with Git; what a guy!!! I kid, I kid. Unfortunately, the type of people we all need are probably repulsed by politics and politicians.

Kevin "Hack" King

Just the fact that he would pass an hour and a half with Git; what a guy!!!

Yeah.... poor guy.

The real surprise is how lucky I am that my bride put up with me all these years. And I don't even believe in luck...

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You may not be at war with Islam, but Islam is at war with you!

Surely you jest!

What will they do after they pull defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq? You want to know a sad truth: if America succeeds in Iraq the Democrats fail in 2008 and if America fails in Iraq the Democrats succeed in 2008. You think they are properly aligned? Do you think they will admit when things are getting better?

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basmati to Myword_Mark, a retired military man not unlike ArmyMajor: "I wouldn't go as far as to call you a "pedophile" due to the sexual connotation, but your propensity to fixate on the high school threads is, in my mind anyway, just plain creepy"

Please explain to me where those jaws of victory might be located. We've been looking for 4 years now.

Kevin "Hack" King

While you are looking, be sure to look in Korea and Germany just to name two of many countries where we still have a significant military presence.

Tell me again Hack, how long have we been in those two?

So the longest you are willing to fight is four years? So noted Hack, so noted.

And I am sick of airports. Anyway, I can't recall the last time an 18 year old looking for college money was blown up by an IED in Korea or Germany by a nation that by and large didn't want them there. I tend to think of the cost/benefit analysis. Why are we sacrificing our bravest Americans in a civil war? And why did we sublet Afghanistan to NATO? WHy have many stopped talking about Bin Laden, the guy with actual US blood on his hands? I encourage you to read the account of Iraq and our ongoing occupation by Ali al Allawi. He's been Iraq's trade, defense, and finance minister. It is eye opening.

Kevin "Hack" King