What is happening to the PTC we knew?

Tue, 03/20/2007 - 4:08pm
By: Letters to the ...

What is happening to the Peachtree City I wanted to raise my kids in? What is happening to my neighborhood here on South Ga. Highway 74 when a developer wants to destroy everything I came to this area for by building a big-box regional shopping center within one city block of my neighborhood? What is happening to us all when we let the almighty dollar trump the safety of our kids and quality of life?

That’s what we face here in Wilshire Estates where a developer with his big-box shopping center is threatening to dump unholy amounts of traffic on a city street that runs right down the middle of our neighborhood.

We in Wilshire cross this city street, Holly Grove Road, to do everything. In the summer we cross Holly Grove repeatedly with our kids to go to our neighborhood pool. Winter, spring, and fall we stand along Holly Grove twice a day with our kids awaiting buses. All year long we cross it to go to our neighborhood park and to our neighborhood shopping center, the Wilshire Pavilion.

We bike across it, walk across it, cart-cross it to visit our friends, to do all the necessary as well as social things that make our neighborhood, well ... neighborly.

Holly Grove Road is the heart of our neighborhood. Now it is in jeopardy of dividing and separating us like a giant racetrack. The road is currently the cut-through of choice for all traffic moving from Senoia to Fayetteville or surrounding areas and from Fayetteville and surrounding PTC neighborhoods into PTC. The speeds are beyond belief.

I live on this road so I know first hand from standing 20 yards from these cars for the last four years. Imagine the number of cars when Rockaway Road is aligned to meet Holly Grove and dump all of burgeoning Senoia, east Coweta, Fayetteville, and south Peachtree City cars onto us.

Our Wilshire Pavilion (with the only grocery in the area) attracts huge numbers of cars from Senoia and much of the surrounding area — Highgrove, Jefferson Woods, Timberlake, Braelinn, the Colonnade, and many other subdivisions — all using Holly Grove.

Now take into account all the traffic coming to this Holly Grove intersection that will do anything to avoid Hwy. 74 construction for the next four years —that’s a “perfect storm” absolutely certain to make our road “Holly Grove Raceway.”

Oh, but let us not forget the thousands of cars, construction crews and semi-tractor trailers coming to within 70 yards of our neighborhood (and through it) when and if the proposed regional retail complex comes in.

Why can’t we invest in the commercial centers Peachtree City already has? You developers out to make an easy buck with the newest and latest Lowe’s center: Get over to Braelinn shopping center.

Instead of signing Braelinn’s death warrant by building a huge competitor to it, buy it, get Lowe’s in there and revitalize it. Then put in a nice La Madeline French bistro/cafe and some other upscale spots.

Every commercial development in town has empty space. What is going to happen to already struggling store and whole developments when they are surrounded on every side by newer shopping centers? Down the tubes they go.

Please, Peachtree City Council, do not abandon and destroy our neighborhood — this safe place where friends are neighbors, where we play together, help each other and raise our kids together.

I beg you not to turn us into Peachtree City’s southside Riverdale. Please don’t rezone to allow the developer to turn South 74 into a Fayette Pavilion times five.

We don’t have to become a commercial destination like Newnan to be a great city. We came here because this place was different, greener, planned for people to be neighbors, not just consumers.

I desperately urge you to demand that Rockaway Road intercept Redwine Road, not Holly Grove, so that we at Wilshire Estates have a chance to keep our neighborhood intact.

Amy Nyman

Peachtree City,Ga.

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Submitted by spartancaver on Mon, 04/02/2007 - 12:31pm.

Gosh Darn It.
I wish those people that started Peachtree City Development Corporation had never gotten their money together and bought all the farm and swamp land in west Fayette County back in 1971. We had a nice little moonshine operation going until the surveyors found moonstill number 5 up Spear Creek Road. That thing was producing upwards of 500 gallons a day until the revenuers busted it up. If it hadn't been for them, Spear Road would still be in the family. We had to sell the property to pay the judges off so they wouldn't send brother up the creek. And what about the old ground hog operation over at Bralin Pond? Lost another 250 still there. We had a nice place to live and earn our income. Now it is full of those self righteous, self indulgent, self absorbed, selfish, Nimb rods, (not in my backyard) whining, moaning, groaning, complaining about how traffic around big box development will destroy their quality of life. They want to see the kind of stores this development will bring to be located in some place like Union City. Then they will complain about how far they have to drive to go shopping. Then complain about high gas prices. Then complain about how cars are destroying the environment. Then complain about how the environment around their homes is being threaten by crime. Then we NoFF's, natives of Fayette Families, can stop complaining about all them people that moved in back in 1971.
Did the Amy Nyman's of Peachtree City think that the place was established by the Indian's and only recently suddenly grew to the size that it is. Good God people. That is the way white people work. Find something they like. They tell all their friends. Everyone wants to move in. Then they all complain about the traffic and how they can't get a table at Outback.

Today, conservative American's tell liberal American's that complain about how the country is going down hill, if you don't like it here then move. And as a NoFF since 1832, I will tell you all, if you don't like it here, then move.
Spartan Caver

Submitted by SuzyQ on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 3:50pm.

Wilshire residents remember to stress close to shopping when you try to sell your house if this development goes through. Great location, close to schools, sport complexes, airport and shopping.

Submitted by playfair on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 11:52am.

will end up where? All this talk of the increase on Holly Grove Road ignores the fact that it will end up on Robinson Road. I have lived near Robinson Road for 10 years and witnessed the volume and speed of the cars increase weekly. It has already become a cut through for going northbound since it has less stops then Peachtree Pkwy. Cars travel well over the speed limit, especially in the mornings, even though there are many school buses, pedestrians, bikers and golf carts crossing the street. How long before Robinson Road needs more lanes and stops?

Submitted by Go Gators on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 9:32am.

Sorry guys, but I can't wait for more growth in this area. As far as I am concerned, growth means property values will go up. That is something I am DEFINITELY in favor or. Traffic concerns? Take your golf cart! That area is so industrial right now---a nice shopping center that backs right into the baseball field (giving us something to do while our kids play little league) would add so much charm to the area. I think this development is a great idea!

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 3:36pm.

Undeveloped industrial/commercial property values go up but not home values.

Look it up. You need to do some homework on the subject.

The biggest home devaluing factor is heavy traffic congestion patterns in the immediate area. It's associated with crime and noise.

Managed growth is great. Unplanned haphazard development and rezoning put home values at risk. When a neighborhood is established and then something like the Fayette Pavilion moves in next-door, home values plummet.

Find the cost of freedom, buried in the ground. Mother earth will swallow you, lay your body down.

CSNY


Submitted by Jones on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 10:50am.

Which property are you talking about Go Gators? The residential property in that area and around Brooks is in great shape. I would attribute those great numbers to the less developed, more rural setting and the Starr's Mill schools.

I've got a old high school friend who had to pull his house off the market in the Braelinn area. He said the offers he was getting were much lower than the county appraisal on his home. He's got a nice house too. The trees keep the grass from growing strong in his front yard, so he put in big shaded flower islands.

Now the Lowe's might increase the value of the land along Highway 74 because every shopping center developer in the state is going to want to follow the big box retail over there. I don't think that's a great prospect.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 10:03am.

Smiling Couldn't resist.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 9:55am.

The only time property value increases is when the community is at build out and there is a waiting list of buyers.

Of course the community or city in question has to be unique in some way.

I see many homes on the market here, almost no "under contract" signs, and these homes have been on the market for a few months. Even when homeowners put up the reduced price signs, these homes aren't moving. The price will never go up if people can't sell the homes they have now.

Submitted by ole sarge on Fri, 03/23/2007 - 7:14am.

Skyspy has it right. I too recall the horrendous clouds of smoke that marked the finale of clear cutting in Wilshire.

That has long been a part of the “smoke and mirrors” that planners and developers have utilized to stave off residential complaints and concerns for public safety.

The lower cart path crossing for Holly Grove which was originally planned as a tunnel would have limited carts, walkers, and bikes crossing this busy, down hill on both sides crossing. Instead, now we have an angle crossing, limiting visibility, in the face of speeding traffic. This is one of the most dangerous crossings in the city that could have been easily eliminated if our planners got out of their offices and looked at the ground.

There is far more concern for expediency and development than safety and neighborhoods.

Submitted by bubbletown on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 2:05pm.

...I saw all of the clear cutting that preceeded the building of Wilshire Estates behind the beautiful horse farms along Redwine Road and the formerly wooded area behind the Rubicon...when does it stop?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 2:19pm.

Whishire wasn't clear cut. It was part of the cities new tree save plan and Centex was only allowed to clear single lots as the houses were sold.

As a matter of fact, the developer wasn't allowed to clear anything beyond 20 feet from the foundation.

What exactly were you smoking when you saw clear cutting?


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 4:07pm.

I live near wiltshire estates and maybe centex homes was supposed to save trees....and they did save the straggly weak pines. Oh yeah, right, those count as trees.

Sorry while they were clear-cutting wiltshire, and in my opinion that is what they were doing. No one, but no one was watching or surperviseing the builder.
I came home from work at 12:30am to find my subdivision covered in thick smoke.....I panicked...as I got closer to my home it got worse.....I thought the whole subdivision was on fire.
Once home I took my dog out for a walk.....none of my neighbors homes were on fire....as I was walking I got closer to what is now wiltshire......guess what I saw??? Oh go on....guess???

A huge bonfire......not one firetruck, in fact not one person in sight....no one was watching or even pretending to be in charge of this bonfire and it was huge... at 12:30 am?? But I as a private resident have to get a burn permit and it has to be put out before dusk.......oh unhuh... Yeah, that's when I realized there are one set of rules for buisness and another set for you and me.....If you are a developer the rules are never enforced.

There was also a beautiful stream that was running through the whole northside of that subdivision, even during the drought that stream was beautiful and full. Until they put homes ontop of it.

Don't tell me about how conscientious that builder was, or the city for that matter.... that is a fantasy at best.

Go to wags to whiskers and get a new bone, I think this old one has gone bad on you....no pun intended.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 4:31pm.

All I can do is tell you what I have pictures of and what the "Tree Save" ordnance says. I can even show you a copy of the letter I had to submit to the building department, promising to replant large trees and the bill from the builder to have all of the pine trees taken out of my yard.

Then I can show you the letter from the county agent that forced the builder and the city to remove the pine trees that were infested with pine beetles.

Don't misunderstand me, the reason I was here every day is: One, I had already been living in PTC for 15 years. Two, the builder was a joke.

The only thing I was particularly happy about was the fact that Wilshire was the least profitable subdivision Centex had ever built. They had to re-do things 3, 4 and 5 times to get them right.

Give Tom Carty a call and ask him how much time he had to spend down here making sure things were done correctly.

The foreman for Centex were kinda like the folks on the Planning Commission, They try hard but don't have the experience or historical knowledge of how things should be done.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 11:12pm.

I care about what I saw with my own eyes.......and it told me everything I need to know about PTC officials and their developers.

They had a huge bonfire of trees at 12:30 am and I knew that there was not one thing I could do about it. You can't fight city hall, especially when it is as corrupt as this one.

Words and letters don't mean a thing, actions speak more loudly than words. Developers and politicians are never held accountable here.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 4:42pm.

I don't remember hearing anyone complaining about clear-cutting Kedren or the Stars Mill School complex.

Then again the PCDC pitched a fit about Stars Mill because that was their hunting property.

Know-body complained about what Lexington Circle looks like, still, or that high dollar neighborhood along the edge of lake Kedren.

I wasn't born in GA, but I've been here for a while.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 03/20/2007 - 8:44pm.

At the Braelin center? Last time I checked, there were only small spots available for lease there. One to two thousand feet or so each. What am I missing? Is there some massive spot for Lowes to go into?

I've done my part on your behalf, I wrote the Council and told them my feelings on the project you referenced, do your part and think the same of the Braelin center.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 6:12am.

You have little imagination if you can't think of anything to do for Braelinn to improve it!
Put Lowe's there, on other side) Build a huge ofice building in the woods, and on and on.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 9:11am.

Where in my letter did I say I had no ideas for the Braelin center? I simply stated there isn't room for Lowes. I wouldn't be for it, even if there were. IF it's not a good idea for the area proposed, it's surely not a good idea for Braelin. The proposed site at least is on a state highway.

Back to Braelin, there was a proposed office building that didn't work out, I was for that. I'm even for some live/work type places in that area. I have read where the owners are planning some sprucing up of the center. I frequent this center, and as long as K-mart struggles (which I expect to continue) this center will struggle right along with it. IF K-Mart ever goes, then you would have many more options for re-development of that end of the center.

Submitted by Jones on Tue, 03/20/2007 - 4:46pm.

I applaud your speaking out on the Lowe's big box for Hwy. 74. I agree with you about the traffic, etc. However, your "not in my backyard, but ok in someone else's backyard (Braelinn)" is pretty shameful.

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