PTC congregation secedes from Episcopal Church, intends to keep property

Fri, 02/09/2007 - 1:46pm
By: Cal Beverly

The following press release was received Feb. 8: St. Andrew’s-in-the-Pines (Peachtree City, Ga.) to disaffiliate from The Episcopal Church and the Diocese of Atlanta.

The downward spiral of The Episcopal Church (TEC) came home to Peachtree City, Ga., this past weekend when a local parish, St. Andrew’s-in-the-Pines, voted 145 to 67 (or 68 percent) on Sunday, Feb. 4 to separate from the national church and the Episcopal Diocese of Atlanta.

The church’s vestry, or governing board, subsequently voted to honor the parish’s overwhelming desire to depart from TEC.

The vestry also voted to join the Convocation of Anglicans in North America (CANA) – the U.S. missionary branch of the Anglican Church of Nigeria – in order to maintain the parish’s ties to the worldwide Anglican Communion.

“We simply want to continue to worship Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior in the way that we always have,” one church member said after Sunday’s vote.

“The vast majority of us still have faith that Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and that Jesus is the one true Son of God, born of a virgin, crucified until dead, and then resurrected to life. All of that is contrary to what a majority of TEC leadership believes. The authority of Scripture and the issue of Jesus as THE Savior are important to us.”

St. Andrew’s Senior Warden David Wardell said the parish – which intends to retain its property – plans to work with the Diocese of Atlanta to achieve an amicable separation.

“Our decision to disaffiliate is a reflection of our commitment to the biblical faith, which is now in direct contrast with the belief and practice of the majority of TEC’s leadership,” Wardell said. “However, the vestry has a strong willingness to work together with the diocese and Bishop Alexander so that this separation can occur with Christian charity, not hard feelings or hostility.”

The Episcopal Bishop of Atlanta, the Rt. Rev. Neil Alexander, tried to short-circuit the church’s internal voting process last week by sending a letter to all parishioners that was clearly intended to disrupt the church’s efforts and sway or prevent the vote.

The letter attempted to discredit the church’s plan for a fair and impartial decision by stating that the vote would have “no official standing.”

Bishop Alexander, who is well known for his embrace of theological revisionism, also threatened to remove the entire church vestry and replace it with a group that he would hand-pick.

St. Andrew’s joins approximately 250 other Episcopal churches that have split from TEC since 2003 for similar reasons. More than two dozen of those churches have also joined CANA, which is experiencing rapid growth and emerging as a forerunner in the realignment of North American Anglicanism.

Founded in 1975, St. Andrew’s has a current membership of 350 and is presently without a permanent priest since the recent retirement of Father Dan Brigham.

The parish has a predominantly orthodox membership, unlike TEC, which has been pursuing a course of increasingly radical theological revisionism for over four decades, during which time the church has lost approximately 40 percent of its membership.

Like St. Andrew’s, a majority of the Anglican Communion’s other 37 provinces remain at odds with the direction and top leadership of TEC, which faces the possibility of being disciplined at the upcoming Primates’ Meeting, to be held next week in Tanzania.
[End of news release.]

The church’s vestry voted to join the Convocation of Anglicans in North America (CANA) – the U.S. missionary branch of the Anglican Church of Nigeria – in order to maintain the parish’s ties to the worldwide Anglican Communion, according to a blog post at The Living Church Foundation Web site.

The church is located at 316 North Peachtree Parkway in Peachtree City.

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Submitted by Mister Mike on Thu, 02/15/2007 - 3:00pm.

Did your folks get the piece on St. Andrew's in Peachtree City directly from the CANA press office? What theological poo-poo! Get this: "the parish has a predominantly orthodox membership" (read: GOOD GUYS!!), "unlike the [Episcopal Church] which has been pursuing a course of increasingly radical theological revisionism" (read: BAD GUYS!!). My gosh, you even use CANA's key words and tricky phrases. Just think of the great articles you could have if you tuned in to the Iranian National News Agency or how about the Klan! On second thought, there's enough hate coming from the Anglican Bishop of All Nigeria to suffice!

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Sun, 02/11/2007 - 8:41am.

Thank you for printing the press release from St. Andrews. We would appreciate reading any more detail, information or background available. Specifically, what are the details on the denominational connections and history that are alluded to in the press release? In addition to the controversial aspects of the Episcopal Church in the news, what have been the other denominational struggles ?

Is the St. Andrews’ experience nothing more than the exercise of independence by a local congregration? Or, might it be an example of a trend toward ecumenism ? Or, is it simply heresy?

Churches claiming independence from their denominations is not unusual, even locally. Dogwood Church was previously Braelinn Baptist Church and then simply Braelinn Church. The denomination known as “Baptist” in America does indeed include a broad spectrum of varieties.

What exactly what was the conflict between St. Andrews’ and the Anglican Organization that led to this schism? Was it theological or political?

American Christians identify themselves denominationally to a lesser extent than in past decades. We think of ourselves less as Lutherans, Methodists, Catholics, Baptists, etc., and more as simply Christians. Earlier generations exhibited a varying Catholic-Protestant antagonism, for example, that would be unthinkable today. It would have been unspeakable for a Christian to marry a Jew 50 years ago and likewise 30 years ago Catholics and Protestants simply did not date. These discriminations are far less significant today.

Are other Christian denominations moving away from the institutional structure? Perhaps the least amount of change would be in the Catholic Church, founded by St. Peter and still claiming to be the “one true church”. Catholics, for example, limit the Sacrament of Holy Communion to those confirmed in the faith; most Protestant faiths do not. Many Christians are focusing on their commitment to Christ and to God, and less on the trappings of their denominations. Denominations in some instances have started to lose their distinguishing characteristics. For example, in the relatively new Methodist Church (founded 300 years ago, made “United” as recently as 1968) many traditions are simply disappearing from the Methodist liturgy in the appeal toward Christian fundamentalism. Music of praise such as the Gloria Patria and the Doxology, previous staples in the Order of Worship, are largely unknown to the American Methodist. Less frequent than before do Methodists now recite the Apostles Creed or even the Roman Catholic based Nicene Creed. Communion, long encouraged by John Wesley to be more frequent than less, has not enjoyed the sacramental priority that he intended. The Wesley tradition of moving ministers around, to make the churches congregation-centered rather than clergy centered, is administered only on a haphazard and occasional basis. And, a continuation of the historical commitment of Wesley Methodists to the poor (with mission work) is unclear. Most interesting is that the institutional text of the Methodist Church (The Book Discipline) is relatively unknown to the rank and file Methodist.

What are we seeing here with St. Andrews in the Pines? Are they consorting with other parishes ?


Submitted by Dannon on Tue, 02/13/2007 - 8:36am.

First of all, the connections and relations: TEC is the U.S. province of the worldwide Anglican Communion. The Presiding Bishop of TEC is also known as the Primate of the American Anglican Province. The Atlanta diocese is the local church's connection to TEC, and TEC is the connection to the worldwide communion.

The Episcopal struggles you've seen in the news are just the tip of the iceberg: The real struggle has been over change in theology. For the past several decades, well-placed bishops and clergy in TEC have been teaching a theology which, as far as I can tell, more closely resembles secular humanism than Christian doctrine. Sin and salvation, and the goal of a personal relationship with Christ, all of these things are downplayed, "old fashioned". Now, it's all about political correctness, and the UN's Millennium Development goals. TEC still has the trappings of Christianity, with crosses and robes and communion, but there's a growing movement of clergy teaching that Christ was no different than Mohammad, Buddha, and Confucius, and that the story of His death on the cross and resurrection is just that, a story and nothing more.

CANA is a missionary outreach of the Anglican Church of Nigeria. In terms of baptized membership, the Nigerian church is one of the largest Anglican provinces worldwide, and it's growing. There are a lot of Nigerians who have come to work over here, mostly as doctors and business professionals. CANA was established to meet the pastoral needs of Anglican Nigerians in the US. There's a bit of history behind it, if you're really interested, the web site is http://www.canaconvocation.org.

Now, back to TEC. Not everyone in TEC has been willing to accept this new theology. It's not just St. Andrews: 11 churches in Virginia recently voted overwhelmingly to leave TEC. Same thing happening in California and New England. There's an entire Diocese in Texas that wants to cut ties with the new Presiding Bishop. And internationally, 22 of the 38 Anglican provinces have declared broken or impaired relations with TEC.

For my part, I just don't trust the Bishop of Atlanta. He's threatened to bring disciplinary action against clergy in this diocese who openly question his actions. His letter to the congregation of St. Andrews (which I received) did talk about removing our elected vestry, and appointing a vestry for us himself. Add to that a conveniently-timed change in theological views after his ordination as Bishop. It all just doesn't sit right with me.

CANA has been extending its care to congregations which have severed ties with TEC. Through them, St. Andrews will still be part of the Anglican Communion. The question that remains now is, what will happen to the church property. The vestry and Bishop have been negotiating over that since last week. Hopefully, that can be settled without getting to the courts. If so, we'll be one of the luckier congregations around the country.

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Submitted by Hi There on Sat, 02/10/2007 - 6:52pm.

St. Andrew's will remain property of the Diocese of Atlanta. Unlike other denominations, the governing body over all Episcopal churches, dioceses, owns the property and assets to which the church belongs. It is also my understanding the vote was "tainted". There were people who voted, yet are not members. TO BE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE ONE MUST BE CONFIRMED AS EPISCOPALIAN. Confirmation classes MUST have been taken and a formal ceremony performed for the candidates. During this ceremony, many candidates usually are confirmed at the same time. To be a voting member within the Episcopal Church, one must be in good standing. This means attendance is regular and pledge is up to date. Many showed up to vote, yet are not in regular attendance and have no pledge(tithe).

Coincidence with regards to the former priest? NO!!! This was a well thought out plan. Father Dan had to retire before all of this took place in order to retain his retirement as he was an ordained priest with the Episcopal Church. This process had to take place after he went into retirement.

The members who have chosen not to leave are now wronged by these who have chosen to leave. The Bishop of the Diocese of Atlanta had planned to conduct meetings, one this afternoon and then tomorrow in order to address concerns and issues with those members who want to stay. In a letter received today from the bishop, he wrote to say,” the Vestry has claimed the facilities and barred me from the church for meetings with the congregation this weekend. I shall honor their wishes in a spirit of generosity during this difficult time, but my so should in no way be regarded as any equivocation on my part with respect to my canonical and legal responsibilities in the matters before us. Alternatively I would be please to meet with all those who consider themselves continuing members of St. Andrew’s Episcopal Church, Peachtree City, together with former members, and other interested parties who desire to continue to affiliate with the Diocese of Atlanta and The Episcopal Church. This meeting will take place on Thursday, February 15, 2007, at 7: 00 p.m. at The Episcopal Church of the Nativity in Fayetteville.”

It was printed Bishop Alexander tried to short-circuit the church’s internal voting process last week by sending a letter to all parishioners that was clearly intended to disrupt the church’s efforts and sway or prevent the vote. Additionally, it was stated the Bishop also threatened to remove the entire church vestry and replace it with a group that he would hand-pick. The letter attempted to discredit the church’s plan for a fair and impartial decision by stating that the vote would have “no official standing.”

Funny, I received the same letter yet none of this was in the letter. I can’t image the Bishop sent two letters: one to the parishioners whom he thought would like to separate from TEC and one to those whom he thought might like to stay at St. Andrew’s. I feel these are just twisted interpretations from those who want to separate in order to gain support and maybe some sympathy from the community. It is very sad to see Christian’s acting this way and many should be ashamed of themselves.


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Submitted by Basmati on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 4:18pm.

For Immediate Release

"Satan wins new congregation in Peachtree City, GA"

(February 9th - Hades News Service) - The Demonic Forces of Evil, Southeastern Region is pleased to announce the acquisition of a new congregation in suburban Peachtree City, Georgia. His Satanic Majesty the Prince of Lies was able to convince a majority of gullible congregants at the currenly leaderless St. Andrew’s-in-the-Pines Episcopal Church that it the proper "worship" of Jesus Christ involved punishing the poor as opposed to seeking the highly overrated "salvation". Appeals to envy, pride and of course money convinced 68% of the former church to renounce Jesus Christ as their personal savior and embrace an obscure Nigerian sect for the purposes of idol worship.

"One hundred forty five newly damned souls...not bad for an evening's work!" exclaimed Hades Recruiting Commander Baal Z. Beezlebub. "We're establishing quite a presence in that little town." He added that while most new recruits from that city had foresaken Jesus Christ to worship Mamon, there was a growing number of entire congregations who accepted Satan into their hearts and embraced his "conservative" philosophies of "do unto others before they do unto you" and "punish those not like us".

Hades officials would not indicate exactly how many damned souls currently resided within Peachtree City, but indicated that recruiting goals were far ahead of schedule.

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Submitted by christi on Sat, 02/10/2007 - 9:31am.

I loved it. Smiling


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Submitted by cmc865 on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 6:11pm.

Basmati you have ISSUES! Seek Help,,,If you need assistace I will give you a ride.


Submitted by myword_mark on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 6:32pm.

Have you gotten in to dollaraday's drugs? This is the most bizarre post I have seen from you...by a long shot.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 7:24pm.

I was aware that the Episcopal Church in the USA was gradually breaking up due to the acceptance of the main church of homosexual partners, even as leaders.
From what I read in this paper it appears that the breakup here is over Jesus. I saw no mention of homosexuality. How did the just retired PTC Episcopal church leader feel about all this breakup? Any connection? A possible coincidence.
To: mywordmark: I am missing no medicine, so Basmati could not have gotten any of it. I think his writ is total satire---poking fun at some of these all knowing religious leaders. Maybe they need the help of Ted Haggard who knows how to cure homosexuality in three weeks!
Has the local irregular Episcopal considered Father OOps Evangelical Episcopal church? Two small congregations, a nice new church---worth considering. Better than building one in Illinois. Although, I don't know who the evangelical Bishops report to. May be better than someone in Nigeria! I get a lot of crooked junk mail from there.

Submitted by myword_mark on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 10:24pm.

Gee, thank you dollaraday. I had no idea basmati was using satire (that’s sarcasm). You see, satire is usually the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc (that’s satire). Since the church does not generally constitute vice or folly, I would have never guessed he was being satirical. Actually, my comment was more directed at my shock that basmati appeared to have been greatly ‘moved’ by the topic of a church seceding. ((As opposed to responding to something in his typical argumentative style, basmati appeared to have great disdain for the church (that would be blasphemy) and it surprised me.))

Again, thanks for the information and I’m glad you can account for all of your drugs.

Submitted by GloriaG on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 10:16pm.

Don't know about this church, but everytime I list something of value for sale on ebay I get a scammer from Nigeria trying to get it from me without paying any money. I also love to read the crooked letters from Nigeria about the deposed Prince of ****** needing my bank account to deposit his billions in. There was a news story last week on the fraud some Nigerians are perpetrating on U.S. citizens. Whenever I hear Nigeria I think scam.

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Submitted by Basmati on Fri, 02/09/2007 - 6:58pm.

For those that do not understand the concept of "parody", I was mocking those delusional souls who chose to follow that extreme homophobe Nigerian splinter group.

Most churches that I am familiar with preach "love the sinner, hate the sin" or some variant thereof.

This fringe Nigerian group teaches that it's okay to hate someone in Jesus' name, i.e. "hate the sin, hate the sinner more". That, in my mind anyway, runs contrary to the tenets of the Christian religion.

Their first act as a new congregation should be to distribute permanent markers to their congregants so they can black out Matthew 7:1-5 in their Bibles. "Judge not lest ye be judged", phooey!

They can also pencil in an addendum following John 8:7 "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"....perhaps they might add "unless the guy in question is a gayboy, in which case it's BOMBS AWAY!"


Submitted by BrianRoss on Sat, 02/10/2007 - 5:36pm.

Perhaps you could at least TRY and deal with things you have some sense of knowledge and backround IN and leave the rest of us alone..
You truly are soooo tiring....
Have a BLESSED week.

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