Git 'em Cal.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

Just curious Shadow08, where did YOU go to school? If Barry Babb gets 12% of the vote, Mindar gets less than 1% and Wayne gets 38% of the vote, where is the rest of the vote? You know, the 100%? Oh yeah, Dave Simmons. I guess that means he will get the rest of the vote which equals roughly 49% of the vote. And Wayne Wins???!!?! I don't quite see your logic unless you are using some alien type of adding system that hasn't taken root here on Earth.

I am a big Barry Babb fan. I will make that clear from the start. I think he would make an excellent Sheriff. But, why the washout of Mindar? As far as I know, the voters will determine the next sheriff. That means, whoever that they feel will be best suited for the job will win. Hopefully, that will be based on what the candidate will do, not how long they have worked at the department. The fact that someone is standing next in line doesn't always apply.

Here's a question, where are you getting your information about Mindar from? Have you ever even talked to him? If you did, then you would probably already know that creating this illusion about him being a "bare knuckle fighter" is ridiculous. In Golden Gloves boxing and even Pro boxing, the fighters where gloves. Watch T.V., I wouldn't lie to ya.

Oh yeah, "Disbanding Traffic". Thats NOT what he's going to do. MERGING TRAFFIC with the Road Division is what he is talking about. That would add two to three more people to each shift. Move coverage for the same cost to the taxpayer. Now, does that sound so bad. They are still going to be doing their traffic duties, just NOT DOWN IN BROOKS. This may freak you out, but, there are county roads NORTH of Ga. 54 too!

As far as the traffic guys go, I know that some of them wouldn't mind merging with the road guys. They would be on twelve hour shifts too and could start to bond with the rest of the department. The perception of the department is that the Traffic Division mostly writes tickets in the south end of the county. We could always pull STATS to find out!

Instead of just writing tickets, lets actually DO SOMETHING to reduce crime in the county. Like, look for criminals. This is NOT the fault of the traffic deputies. I am sure that if you ask them, they will tell you that they would love to work up north too. I personally know of one deputy that was told to stop writing tickets up near Ga. 138 because he was too proactive. Has anyone EVER been asked to stop writing tickets down south because of the same reason?

What it boils down to is this. Do you want to appear to be making a difference, or actually MAKE a difference. The entire department as a whole, warrants too by the way, should be credited with doing an outstanding job in protecting our county. There are areas which we need to work on to accomplish this mission. New ideas and new perspectives. Randall Johnson was elected Sheriff after being a State Revenue officer. He has done an OUTSTANDING job!

From what I know, Revenue Officer's use to work alone or with little help running around in the woods. Thats bravery. Randall was given the chance and excelled in every area of his job as Sheriff.

Thank god we didn't critize him back in the 70's and say "he doesn't have enough supervison experience. Being tough and determined ISN'T what will get the job done. We are going to need someone that will sit behind a desk and point fingers. Forget that lead by example garbage...".

Now, I haven't attacked any candidate in my response to your attack. All I did was attack the issues. Here is your proof Shadow08, though matter who you support. Go to the department and ask every employee who they would want to see as the next Sheriff. Include all supervisors and jail employees. I will tell you this, you aren't going to like the answer.

I guess you could say that it doesn't matter what they think, they only RUN the department. They only REPRESENT the department. Well buddy, they ARE the department. Truth be known, people want to follow TRUE LEADERSHIP. Leadership is getting someone to do something because THEY want to do it. I learned that in the Military. Randall knows it. Maybe its not to late for you to learn it.

One last thing, after talking to all the members of the department, add them up and put them down on paper. Use that crazy percentage chart you used earlier, and answer me this last question. Who is at 38% and who is at 1%? If your sitting there trying to figure out how to reply back that it doesn't matter what they think, then you belong in that 1% too.

If your not already there.

Just curious Shadow08, where did YOU go to school? If Barry Babb gets 12% of the vote, Mindar gets less than 1% and Wayne gets 38% of the vote, where is the rest of the vote? You know, the 100%? Oh yeah, Dave Simmons. I guess that means he will get the rest of the vote which equals roughly 49% of the vote. And Wayne Wins???!!?! I don't quite see your logic unless you are using some alien type of adding system that hasn't taken root here on Earth.

I am a big Barry Babb fan. I will make that clear from the start. I think he would make an excellent Sheriff. But, why the washout of Mindar? As far as I know, the voters will determine the next sheriff. That means, whoever that they feel will be best suited for the job will win. Hopefully, that will be based on what the candidate will do, not how long they have worked at the department. The fact that someone is standing next in line doesn't always apply.

Here's a question, where are you getting your information about Mindar from? Have you ever even talked to him? If you did, then you would probably already know that creating this illusion about him being a "bare knuckle fighter" is ridiculous. In Golden Gloves boxing and even Pro boxing, the fighters where gloves. Watch T.V., I wouldn't lie to ya.

Oh yeah, "Disbanding Traffic". Thats NOT what he's going to do. MERGING TRAFFIC with the Road Division is what he is talking about. That would add two to three more people to each shift. Move coverage for the same cost to the taxpayer. Now, does that sound so bad. They are still going to be doing their traffic duties, just NOT DOWN IN BROOKS. This may freak you out, but, there are county roads NORTH of Ga. 54 too!

As far as the traffic guys go, I know that some of them wouldn't mind merging with the road guys. They would be on twelve hour shifts too and could start to bond with the rest of the department. The perception of the department is that the Traffic Division mostly writes tickets in the south end of the county. We could always pull STATS to find out!

Instead of just writing tickets, lets actually DO SOMETHING to reduce crime in the county. Like, look for criminals. This is NOT the fault of the traffic deputies. I am sure that if you ask them, they will tell you that they would love to work up north too. I personally know of one deputy that was told to stop writing tickets up near Ga. 138 because he was too proactive. Has anyone EVER been asked to stop writing tickets down south because of the same reason?

What it boils down to is this. Do you want to appear to be making a difference, or actually MAKE a difference. The entire department as a whole, warrants too by the way, should be credited with doing an outstanding job in protecting our county. There are areas which we need to work on to accomplish this mission. New ideas and new perspectives. Randall Johnson was elected Sheriff after being a State Revenue officer. He has done an OUTSTANDING job!

From what I know, Revenue Officer's use to work alone or with little help running around in the woods. Thats bravery. Randall was given the chance and excelled in every area of his job as Sheriff.

Thank god we didn't critize him back in the 70's and say "he doesn't have enough supervison experience. Being tough and determined ISN'T what will get the job done. We are going to need someone that will sit behind a desk and point fingers. Forget that lead by example garbage...".

Now, I haven't attacked any candidate in my response to your attack. All I did was attack the issues. Here is your proof Shadow08, though matter who you support. Go to the department and ask every employee who they would want to see as the next Sheriff. Include all supervisors and jail employees. I will tell you this, you aren't going to like the answer.

I guess you could say that it doesn't matter what they think, they only RUN the department. They only REPRESENT the department. Well buddy, they ARE the department. Truth be known, people want to follow TRUE LEADERSHIP. Leadership is getting someone to do something because THEY want to do it. I learned that in the Military. Randall knows it. Maybe its not to late for you to learn it.

One last thing, after talking to all the members of the department, add them up and put them down on paper. Use that crazy percentage chart you used earlier, and answer me this last question. Who is at 38% and who is at 1%? If your sitting there trying to figure out how to reply back that it doesn't matter what they think, then you belong in that 1% too.

If your not already there.

Just curious Shadow08, where did YOU go to school? If Barry Babb gets 12% of the vote, Mindar gets less than 1% and Wayne gets 38% of the vote, where is the rest of the vote? You know, the 100%? Oh yeah, Dave Simmons. I guess that means he will get the rest of the vote which equals roughly 49% of the vote. And Wayne Wins???!!?! I don't quite see your logic unless you are using some alien type of adding system that hasn't taken root here on Earth.

I am a big Barry Babb fan. I will make that clear from the start. I think he would make an excellent Sheriff. But, why the washout of Mindar? As far as I know, the voters will determine the next sheriff. That means, whoever that they feel will be best suited for the job will win. Hopefully, that will be based on what the candidate will do, not how long they have worked at the department. The fact that someone is standing next in line doesn't always apply.

Here's a question, where are you getting your information about Mindar from? Have you ever even talked to him? If you did, then you would probably already know that creating this illusion about him being a "bare knuckle fighter" is ridiculous. In Golden Gloves boxing and even Pro boxing, the fighters where gloves. Watch T.V., I wouldn't lie to ya.

Oh yeah, "Disbanding Traffic". Thats NOT what he's going to do. MERGING TRAFFIC with the Road Division is what he is talking about. That would add two to three more people to each shift. Move coverage for the same cost to the taxpayer. Now, does that sound so bad. They are still going to be doing their traffic duties, just NOT DOWN IN BROOKS. This may freak you out, but, there are county roads NORTH of Ga. 54 too!

As far as the traffic guys go, I know that some of them wouldn't mind merging with the road guys. They would be on twelve hour shifts too and could start to bond with the rest of the department. The perception of the department is that the Traffic Division mostly writes tickets in the south end of the county. We could always pull STATS to find out!

Instead of just writing tickets, lets actually DO SOMETHING to reduce crime in the county. Like, look for criminals. This is NOT the fault of the traffic deputies. I am sure that if you ask them, they will tell you that they would love to work up north too. I personally know of one deputy that was told to stop writing tickets up near Ga. 138 because he was too proactive. Has anyone EVER been asked to stop writing tickets down south because of the same reason?

What it boils down to is this. Do you want to appear to be making a difference, or actually MAKE a difference. The entire department as a whole, warrants too by the way, should be credited with doing an outstanding job in protecting our county. There are areas which we need to work on to accomplish this mission. New ideas and new perspectives. Randall Johnson was elected Sheriff after being a State Revenue officer. He has done an OUTSTANDING job!

From what I know, Revenue Officer's use to work alone or with little help running around in the woods. Thats bravery. Randall was given the chance and excelled in every area of his job as Sheriff.

Thank god we didn't critize him back in the 70's and say "he doesn't have enough supervison experience. Being tough and determined ISN'T what will get the job done. We are going to need someone that will sit behind a desk and point fingers. Forget that lead by example garbage...".

Now, I haven't attacked any candidate in my response to your attack. All I did was attack the issues. Here is your proof Shadow08, though matter who you support. Go to the department and ask every employee who they would want to see as the next Sheriff. Include all supervisors and jail employees. I will tell you this, you aren't going to like the answer.

I guess you could say that it doesn't matter what they think, they only RUN the department. They only REPRESENT the department. Well buddy, they ARE the department. Truth be known, people want to follow TRUE LEADERSHIP. Leadership is getting someone to do something because THEY want to do it. I learned that in the Military. Randall knows it. Maybe its not to late for you to learn it.

One last thing, after talking to all the members of the department, add them up and put them down on paper. Use that crazy percentage chart you used earlier, and answer me this last question. Who is at 38% and who is at 1%? If your sitting there trying to figure out how to reply back that it doesn't matter what they think, then you belong in that 1% too.

If your not already there.

What will you have: new era or old school?
We have it all! This washing powder will remove the toughest stains, never fade your jeans, requires no ironing.
Also, detail oriented and see the big picture on the wall.
They like their fellow-cops and each other, and also like all of the staff greatly, especially their fellow cops!
We don't ned no stinkin badge to get-er-done!

So your selection for Sheriff is a person with nine years law enforcement experience that is in good shape and shoots well. Just a couple of questions if you don’t mind since you have checked into his career. 1. Is he a supervisor? 2. Has he ever been a supervisor? 3. What did he do prior to his long law enforcement career? Last, do you think he can go from supervising no one to supervising a large Department such as Fayette County's Sheriff's Department Nothing against Tom, I’m sure he is a good street officer but I don’t think we need to bring a child in to do a mans job.

Just because someone lacks leadership experience does not mean he can't be a great leader and motivate the Department to become pro-active once again. After six years in the the Army serving with the 82nd Airborne and 7th Infantry Division, I saw plenty of Officers, both company and field grade who were worthless despite all their college and "leadership" training. Mindar brings the opportunity to break the good ol' boy system and get the Department back to saving Fayette County from being the next war zone. Why bring in someone who is on the outside looking in Mr. Beveridge???
His ideas for the Department make sense, can be implemented easily and will produce results. That's more than ANY of the candidates can boast about despite a few of them thinking they will ride Randall's coattails into office.
Mr. Beveridge, by taking cheap shots a great Deputy who has done alot in his time for this great County, you have shown yourself as a politician and not Sheriff material. We deserve better...

Here is another attack.

Why are all these writers on here wanting someone for sheriff "who knows Fayette County's people?"
There is only one way to take that since half of Fayette people now haven't been here very long, and deserve as much representation as any one else.
That being the case it seems to me we need someone who knows no one much but is highly educated and qualified and has been successful already. The job pays enough to get anyone nearly.
Also, it depends whether or not we decide to have a county police force and allow the Sheriff to do jail duty and warrant serving only.
A different person is needed for that situation.
I can only assume that these people who want a known political quantity want someone who will overlook certain things.
It is a professional job, not a department to build up certain citizen's morale. It is quite possible that someone of that character is on the force, I don't know.

Our only hope is Wayne Hannah. He is tough on crime. He will continue the tough on crime Fayettenam policies.

We definitly don't need someone outside the sheriff's dept. Look at clayton crime county...that was their mistake. They got someone new alright....what are they up to almost a murder a day over there? Certainly at least one a week...do we need that kind of "help" here?

Hopefully Randall will stay at least one more term.

The problem with Wayne is that you can’t lead a group of men and women that don’t want you as their leader. It is common Knowledge that Hannah does a great job as the traffic unit commander but his people skills have a lot to be desired. I personally know that the largest portion of the Deputies that work for the Sheriff’s Dept. don’t want Hannah as their new Sheriff. Also Hannah’s wife is a supervisor at the Sheriff’s Department, could this be awkward? If you start a new term disliked by your employees how are things supposed to get better. Fayette needs someone new and experienced that will listen to the needs of the citizens,the employees and work closely with the new Commissioner’s to move the Sheriff’s Dept. forward in a positive way. As for whom that will be, I have heard some names mentioned but at this point I think it’s to early to expect a commitment from anyone.

Here is one more.

When is it necessary to be Sheriff and be liked? Tell me one Sheriff that is liked by all. I see the benefits of having a Sheriff that has been around Fayette County as long as Wayne Hannah. But there is also draw backs. We can debate ones character all day. As far as Wayne and Deborah, they are good people that are extremely dedicated to their jobs and community. That will never be a question. As far as it being awkward? Well, they've been working together for how long now? Do you know for a fact that it has been a problem? If not, I wouldn't be concerned, they are professionals.

I forgot to answer your question, The Sheriff that is liked by all is Randall Johnson

You either don’t work in law enforcement or your relationship with Wayne is clouding your judgment. I first want to make it clear that I have nothing but respect for Wayne as a person and as a supervisor. I think he does an outstanding job. Tell me, do you actually believe that the leader of a large business of any kind is effective if all of his or her employees dislike them. The Sheriff Department is a business and each member of that business should have a say so in how the business is run. How do you expect the citizens of Fayette County to be treated with respect and kindness by the employees of the Sheriff’s Dept. if the employees are not happy with the work environment? There is no reason why Wayne can’t’ be an important part of helping to mold a new Era in Fayette County without compromising the morale of a department that is only recently started to recover from the mistakes of one man. I am also sure that unlike you Wayne would not want to run a department knowing that he could never really make his employees happy. I guess if it were up to you the Sheriff’s Dept. could be run in the same way that a dictator runs a country. Also I wonder if every time Deborah got a promotion or a raise we would all want to know who made that decision.

This is an example of what I was talking about.

To answer your question. Yes I do think that a leader of a large business can be effective if not liked by his employees. I think that like and respect are two seperate ways to run a business/police department. I think that you can respect someone but not necessarily like them. I think that happens everyday in business. I am not sure what working in law enforcement has to do with the situation and whether or not I like Wayne Hannah is a seperate issue as well. I don't think it is possible to find that one person that will be liked by all and be effective enough that will control the officers so that they treat all the citizens of Fayette County with respect and kindness. What you are wanting isn't possible.

I can only say that I feel sorry for you if you dislike your job so much that you feel that a leader can lead while being disliked. You call it leading by respect but its actually leading with lack of respect and lack of respect is what got Bruce where he is now, (that and bad decisions). I have only worked in two fields my entire career, one is the military and the other is law enforcement. I have worked for many supervisors and some of them have been the kind of person you describe. Those supervisors all ultimately failed and did nothing but bring the unit down. I can only say that I don’t know how you think the citizens of Fayette County will respect the new Sheriff if all they hear is his own Deputies talking bad about and disrespecting him. I will keep my fingers crossed and pray that the kind of person that you describe never becomes Sheriff. Also I think a good example of the kind of Sheriff you want is working over in Clayton County right now.

Check out the last sentence of the paragraph above. I wonder who HE'S talking about? Hmmmm....

yeah that whole "new day/new era" thing really has worked well in clayton-we-love-crime county hasn't it?? That's a good one....

Thats really what we need...a change... Right now Fayettenam is feared because of the "good ol'boys", whether you like it or not. Let's keep it that way. For example half of the people we invivted to a party for the game wouldn't come to Fayettnam, because they knew that after the game there would be road blocks everywhere.

Randall doesn't need to retire anyway, men of his generation rarely have hobbies or a social life...working is that generations social life....so he can stay and keep us safe. Cut out that nonsense of retirement talk.

Randall should stay. But, unfortunately, I think he may feel a tad "bruised" from the legal bouts. And, let's be honest . . . he's got to know that whoever might run against him is going to bring up the Bruce problem. Maybe he just doesn't want to get into that kind of a race. After this many years, I can imagine him thinking that he's been through too much and worked too hard for too long to have to deal with that.

But I hope he'll stick around. He's done a good job and I don't feel like breaking in someone new and hoping they'll do as good a job.

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Our sheriff stepped up to the plate and handled that problem effectively. That had to be one of the most difficult situations of his career ....he had to discipline someone he no doubt considered to be his friend and trusted colleague. I can't imagine how tough that had to have been...few men are able to do that. It speaks well of his character.

Many, many companies do not allow this practice. There are good reasons for it not to be allowed. Especially if the relative works for the manager.
The resentment is automatic and is kept under cover. I don't have to tell you why. If one has to go, who will it be?
This attitude reminds me of the old movies making fun of southern sheriffs: Uncle Thad is the J.P., cousin Hootie runs the jail, brother Hal drives the chase car, and the judge is Grandpa Snorkle!

Score; COPter 1 / Perps 7 Finally, they got 1.

This is one of the smallest counties in GA (# of counties 2nd only to TX). This is an un-Necessary expense. What next? Dealers on Lake Horton (Kedron) and we need a Miami Vice Poonton Boat?
Bubbas need not apply and maybe a Professional County PD is a smart choice. You know..the SD protects the courts and serves the warrants.

Did you get another ticket?

I have personally witnessed Hawk 1 being helpful in catching more than just 1 "perp" recently. While they were directly responsible for a catch (mentioned here in the paper), they also have assisted in other pursuits where the helicopter was useful as part of a TEAM (which included officers in cars, on foot, and with K-9s).

To say that the helicopter is worthless because it doesn't make a direct catch is to say that they dogs are worthless because they don't make direct catches every time they go out. Or any other specialty unit of law enforcement.

I support the Sheriff's department 100%. If it's dogs, a helicopter, whatever they need to keep crime out of Fayette County.
Lord help us when Randall retires.
Hopefully, there is someone in the wings who will keep up the good work when Randall does retire.

If the money is voted on and provided specifically for the sheriff's department to own and maintain a helicopter, then that is what should happen until the next budget. Don't just addd it in next budget, discuss it's value.
The problem originally was obtaining the helicopter without budget restraints nor proper discussion of all ramnifications of running a helicopter. There are many.
I am assuming, of course, that we have trained operators of helicopters who know how to make such chases, not just pilot one. For instance, does it have a high powered searchlight? And many other things.

Yes that is most certainly the answer... let's form a county police department ... since it seems to have worked so well in keeping crime down in Clayton County, DeKalb County, Henry County and Cobb County.. see where I'm going with this DUMB...! As for the copter I don't havr the statistics that you have but I can't imagine that it isn't helpful to the county..but then again I have been wrong before.

How about one from Clayton County? Or maybe one from our massive pool of lawyers in Fayette County? What's your point? Who's you pick? And how can you compliment Sheriff Johnson's leadership and the b!+@# slap him with your "good old boy" comment?

As for me and my friends we choose WOODY, WOODY, WOODY, WOODY, WOODY, WOODY, WOODY, WOODY, WOODY.

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You don't need to defend a Lion. You just need to let him out of his cage.

C.S. Lewis

You made me smile when I read your "WOODY, WOODY, WOODY..." chant. I'm with you on that 110%!

I don't think that a lawyer from Fayette or any other county is the answer to the law enforcement short comings that plague our community. I also don't claim to have the answer, but there must be an individual out there that can lead this community into the future with some since of professionalism and respect for the law. In response to WOODY WOODY WOODY, I'm not sure that I know what or who that means. Please clarify. I do think that a professional law enforcement officer with some since of responsibility is needed.

Woody = Insider Comment

Actually I'll change my chant to Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne, Wayne,
Wayne. Who else is there? I not into just throwing some outsider in there just for the sake of change. Heck, everyone's got there own good old boy system whether they're here or in Clayton County. Whether they're black or white.

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You don't need to defend a Lion. You just need to let him out of his cage.

C.S. Lewis

...my suspicions were confirmed. I've always thought we somehow knew one another in the "real world", and the "WOODY" chant just made me even more sure! haha!

I apolologize for being somewhat condesending to you GIT REAL you are certainly entitled to your're opinion. I do however think that this county has been under the grip of the GOOD OLD BOY system for far too long. I simply think that maybe some new leadership might be considered.

Seems like rumor around here gets more attention than actual facts.
GR, the Neal Boortz of the Fayette County Bloggers.
Stir the pot up good betterlife, the "GOOD OLD BOYS" need it.

I don't know who else there is, but you seem have all the answers... please enlighten us almighty one!!!!

Sorry GIT REAL who is Wayne Hannah? and just for SAG, who or what is WOODY?

I do wonder what the neg. comments about him are all about. He seems to be what ya'll are all about ...but he's BLACK. He seems to be doing a good job.
Still COPter 1 / Perps 7. Didn't even catch the one that fled to Coweta.

He seems to be what ya'll are all about

Yeah....We're all about keeping deadbeats like you in line. That's the only thing we're up to. Nothing else matters.

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You don't need to defend a Lion. You just need to let him out of his cage.

C.S. Lewis