Logsdon a no-show as Brown ‘debates’

Tue, 11/22/2005 - 5:25pm
By: John Munford

Despite his commitment to avoid Thursday’s mayoral candidate debate at McIntosh High School, Harold Logsdon’s campaign materials were being circulated before the event — by his opponent, incumbent Mayor Steve Brown.

Steve Brown debate

Brown told the crowd he wanted voters to have the Logsdon material — culled from his Web site, a campaign mailer and his candidate essays published in The Citizen — ”to make it fair.”

During the debate, Brown chided Logsdon for failing to provide specific solutions for the city’s ills, particularly on financial matters.

“There is not a single position on how to solve any of the issues facing Peachtree City,” Brown said.

The debate was more like a speech at times although he fielded some questions submitted by audience members. At times, Brown drew outright applause when making a point, all the while the empty chair reserved for Logsdon remained on the auditorium stage.

Brown conceded that, yes, the city has raised property taxes 22 percent during his four years in office, but he said it was necessary to stave off actions of the previous administration.

Brown also encouraged the crowd of less than 100 to vote in the election.

“It would probably be the biggest upset in Peachtree City political history,” if Brown won, he said, acknowledging Logsdon’s position as the leading candidate judging by results from the Nov. 6 general election, where he garnered 41 percent of the vote to Brown’s 21 percent.

Brown also said he doesn’t want the city to pay the $1.5 million in debt owed by the city’s development authority to Peachtree National Bank for expenses it incurred when running the city’s tennis center and amphitheater.

“Only $300,000 of that $1.5 million in debt can be tied to actual capital improvements,” Brown said. “A lot of that money, we don’t even know where it went.”

Brown also added that City Attorney Ted Meeker has determined it will be illegal for the city to pay back that debt.

The bank has sued the city, the development authority and the Tourism Association, which now runs both venues, seeking to recoup the money.

Brown also said he wants developer John Wieland Homes to pay for the extension of MacDuff Parkway to Ga. Highway 74 as part of the proposed annexation of 360 acres on the city’s west side. When Brown came to Wieland asking about the annexation possibility, he said the developer had already filed a plan with Fayette County that showed MacDuff Parkway looping around instead of connecting to Ga. Highway 74.

The connection is seen as necessary because often-clogged Ga. Highway 54 only way for residents who live off MacDuff to get to and from home.

Brown said he wants no less than a third of the homes to be annexed to be developed as senior housing so it wouldn’t impact traffic and schools.

The debate was cosponsored by the Young Republicans and Young Democrats clubs at McIntosh.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 11:06am.

Wrong place.

Sorry all.


Submitted by Doc Joe on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 1:38am.

Please get a life soon!

Get outside in the fresh air.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 11:47pm.

Steve Brown debate Steve Brown describes the enormity of the gap between him and frontrunner Harold Logsdon at a campaign rally held at a local high school recently. Thousands will go to the polls on December 6 and vote for Harold Logsdon. Las Vegas oddsmakers aren't prepared to put odds on the election, as it appears to be "easy money".

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Submitted by dkinser on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 7:30am.

This is the gap between what the Mayor told me regarding his support for the senior component and what he is claiming now.

Steve, I am appalled that you have not directly answered my question. I know that you are reading here as you are also posting. So, which time were you telling the truth. To the Centennial Advisory Committee or now? What happened to change your mind?

Dana Kinser

Submitted by pandora on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 11:56pm.

Hey kids - the secret word at Pee Wee's playhouse today is "dazed and confused" (referencing his quote in another paper on why people who voted for other candidates on Nov. 8)

Submitted by pandora on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 8:00am.

OK, I like the smilies, but it was supposed to read November "eight end parentheses" - not trying to say "cool" on this. Where did the "edit" button go?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 11:31am.

I am familiar with that problem.

Since I already emailed them on a couple of other problems I will alert them to what and why it is happening.

There is a simple fix. Unless the Dupal script is different in some way.


Submitted by Reality Bytes on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 12:01am.

I cannot believe that the mayor would assert such a thing. Perhaps he was insinuating there was a mass conspiracy in this election? Did the people just not know the issues????

Evil

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 9:30pm.

Brown said he wants no less than a third of the homes to be annexed to be developed as senior housing so it wouldn’t impact traffic and schools.

Can you please refresh everyone's memory on how he must have LIED to you when he said he was okay without the senior component?

Hmmm...someone I "don't know" who will probably let staff do their jobs versus a proven liar and manipulator. Wonder which way I'll go?

Hey - can someone remind me who booked the room for the recent "debate" at McIntosh High School? Oh yeah, according to the AJC, it was Brown..."Brown, who reserved the auditorium, said the debate couldn't be rescheduled." Convenient timing to do it the night of a council meeting.

And I was reading some City Council minutes - August 18, 2005 - and I noticed something interesting in the recognitions...
"Mayor Brown recognized the students who served as City Hall interns during the summer –Alison Morrell from Starr’s Mill; Ashley Holley from Fayette County High School; and McIntosh High School students Mia Riccio, Erin Milani, and Evan Roth.

I read in either this paper or another paper (might have been the Today in PTC) that one of the debate organizers was Evan Roth. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Sure sounds suspicious to me

(sorry, I'mmmmm baaaack.....)

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Submitted by DanTennant on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 9:51pm.

Surely the Evan Roth Arrangement is coincidence. The most noble mayor of PTC would never cancel a public meeting for his own personal political future. Surely.

You know what stinks about that whole deal? Brown screwed the people who DID want to go to the council meeting or had a role in the meeting. Utterly shameful. Yet another reason to dump him on Dec. 6.

Great work idontknow. I wish to hell I did know you. Heck, maybe I do. Happy Thanksgiving.

Dan Tennant


Submitted by PTCRES on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 8:14pm.

Go Steve! You have a LOT more supporters out there than you think. Just look at how low they have to stoop by stealing your signs. As for your opponent, well, I think he's gutless for not debating.

Submitted by questionable101 on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 8:15pm.

Please tell me why some of the citizens on Peachtree City are voting for Brown. Why?

The "debate" at McIntosh Auditorium was organized by brown himself. Why should Logsdon go to that "debate" so Brown could set him up. Logsdon has nothing left to gain. He has the majority of the votes, and I know that I will be voting for Logsdon for mayor December 6th.

And also, I would like to say that all Brown has done is try to lie his way back to mayor. Logsdon on the other hand has worked and cares not just about Peachtree City, but about all the wonderful people that live in the area. Shouldn't he be our mayor because he cares about our community values, schools, and everyone living in Peachtree City. That should be enough to tell you who would be the best candidate for mayor. (Just in case your still wondering, it's Logsdon.)

Submitted by Doc Joe on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 1:31am.

You guys need to get a life ... blah, blah, blah!

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 9:19pm.

Please explain why are you supporting Mr. Brown. I'm interested in learning why people are the way they are.

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Submitted by secret squirrel on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 7:16am.

Why would Harold Logsdon entertain Brown's grandstanding and self-aggrandizing showmanship? Judging from the numbers in the initial election, as well as considering the support Logsdon now has from at least three of his former opponents, Logsdon has nothing to gain by engaging Brown in his silly attention-getting stunts. To the extent that over 70% of the voters voted for someone other than Steve Brown, kudos to Harold for refusing to participate in Brown's rainmaker staging. Brown certainly seems adept at one thing, something he demostrated clearly for more than a few years now: wasting time and money.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 11/22/2005 - 9:01pm.

He voted for Walgreens, that was enough for me. No need to hear much more, he needs to go.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 8:41am.

Why the problem with Walgreens being there? I don't get it.

The church wanted to move, Walgreens wants to be there, the location is surrounded on all sides by commercial and city property.

The argument "neighbors" don't want it is a bit absurd to me. There are no homes "neighboring" it.

Yes, I remember the arguments when Eckerd, the restaurants and so on were built.

Exactly what damage would a Walgreens being there do to any of those homes which already have commercial property between them and the Walgreen site?

What am I missing here?

Is it nothing more than a church has to be there?


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 9:39am.

The property is not zoned Commercial, and it never has been zoned that way. Spot zoning is not something this city needs to start doing, and obviously, Brown was "willing".

2ndly, the Church can sell, they can move, they just can't sell to a Commercial Buyer. This type of control is one of the reasons I moved to Peachtree City.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 11/24/2005 - 10:07am.

I think you over simplify the issues.

If the church brought suit in court from past similar issues I have seen I believe they would win and force rezoning.

Other areas have been rezoned changing the so-called Master Plan.

In many ways the so-called Master Plan is a myth. I gave up on it years ago.

This isn't a clear issue at all when you get down to the nuts and bolts.

But I got my answer and really have no desire to pursue this at this time.

Not saying it is not important or downplaying your concerns.

But I do think this is not an issue to base a mayoral vote on.


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Submitted by John Munford on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 10:04am.

This was a very contentious issue and there was a lot of emotional input at that council meeting.

The church property is zoned office-insitutional, not commercial. The City Council denied the commercial rezoning, with Mayor Brown voting against the motion.

Would you rather have an office complex in your backyard, or a 24-hour drugstore? I'd choose the former.

The church can still sell its property, but they won't get as much money for it as if it were zoned commercial.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 11/23/2005 - 8:58pm.

Thanks for the answer.

I remember it was hot and heavy with a number of people wanting it to remain a church.

To be honest, I don't see how it would have much impact on any of the nearest homes considering their distance from that location.

But I live away from there so I guess others know things I do not.


Submitted by questionable101 on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 10:34am.

PTC Guy - you obviously haven't traveled the cart path that runs beside the current church location. It separates the subdivision Highlands from the church with at least three homeowners backing up to the church - check it out sometime.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Fri, 11/25/2005 - 11:09am.

The Church is my place of voting. I have lived here 19 years. I am aware.

I just don't see the huge change in impact on the homes by a Walgreens being there.

That is not exactly a quiet area to begin with and customers to drug stores are not know for being a noisy bunch.

Someone is going to be unhappy in this no matter how it goes. Currently it is the church.


Submitted by questionable101 on Tue, 11/22/2005 - 7:46pm.

How can anyone call a one man speech a debate? Get a life - the show had to go on for less than 100, more like 60 people with only one person on the stage and only one opinion being stated - not a debate.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 11/22/2005 - 8:24pm.

Just answering this part only:

How can anyone call a one man speech a debate?

Hey, if some can call and demand position papers and answers to forum questions constitute debate then this is a debate.

Wish it had been a real debate, though. But that is Logsdon fault, not Brown's.

Really, did you miss the '' marks around the word debate? Those do mean something.


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