GRTA: TDK bridge to be 4 lanes

Thu, 01/11/2007 - 5:02pm
By: John Munford

GRTA: TDK bridge to be 4 lanes

PTC, Fayette County appeal denied

The Georgia Regional Transportation Authority has upheld its requirement to make the bridge for the TDK extension four lanes as part of the 3,000 home McIntosh Village community planned for east Coweta County.

The bridge, which will span Line Creek, was opposed by Peachtree City and Fayette County officials who urged the money would be better spent on widening Ga. Highway 154 in Coweta from two to four lanes so McIntosh Village residents would use that for access to Interstate 85 instead of Ga. Highway 74.

At a hearing Wednesday, Peachtree City Mayor Harold Logsdon said GRTA shouldn’t force Peachtree City to widen the bridge because the city has no control over the McIntosh Village project. There were also practical concerns, he added.

“We don’t see a need for a four-lane bridge coming into a two-lane road,” Logsdon said.

The mayor said he’d rather see GRTA allocate funds to improve the Ga. Highway 74 interchange with Interstate 85, a thought echoed by Fayette County Commission Chairman Jack Smith. Logsdon noted that the commute for Peachtree City residents has considerably worsened in the last five years, with traffic backing up for one or two miles before the interchange during commute times.

“Highway 74 cannot take it,” Logsdon said.

City Attorney Ted Meeker noted that the TDK extension is mostly funded by local dollars, making it different from most state road projects. The cost estimates for construction total $2.9 million in local funds, with another $1.22 million in state funds.

GRTA’s decision did not address who would pay the additional design funds to expand the bridge. Smith also said the county thinks it will have to rebuild the current bridge on TDK that spans the CSX railroad tracks because the current bridge is too low.

GRTA staff indicated that if the TDK extension is built with just two lanes, it will be at maximum capacity in 2017, a year after the projected completion of McIntosh Village. And as Logsdon put it, the McIntosh development “is the tip of the iceberg,” in terms of future Coweta growth.

Coweta County Commissioner Paul Poole, who lives on Hwy. 154, said its interchange with I-85 gets quite backed up in the mornings and afternoons also.

“I agree 154 needs to be four-laned,” Poole said.

Poole didn’t express sympathy for Peachtree City’s plight.

“They never came one time to talk to us,” Poole said of Peachtree City officials, suggesting that much of Peachtree CIty shouldn’t have been built until Ga. Highway 54 was widened from two to four lanes. “And the road runs both ways.”

Poole said Fayette County might want to add the GRTA bus system as an alternative for commuters. He remarked that he was surprised how successful the system is for Coweta residents.

Fayette County Attorney Bill McNally told GRTA that it would be ideal if the agency could find a way to create an interchange on I-85 at Ga. Highway 92.

The bridge is viewed as the most complex element of the TDK project and could take two or more years to build. Meanwhile, the city’s ownership of the road’s right-of-way expires in just under three years unless the road is built, giving scant little time for work to begin.

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Submitted by johenry on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 4:30pm.

Has anyone ever seen someone point out more reasons not to do something and yet still agrees to do it?

The mayor is so helpless on this one that he belongs in diapers. My son used to say, "Mom I need to do this." I would tell him that he didn't "need" to do it at all. Then came all of the excuses about all his friends are doing it, etc. I had to tell him about not wasting money and making smart decisions.

The mayor doesn't need to do this road. If he and the other council people want to ruin our roads just to please their friends, God help them.

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 8:04pm.

2 daughters, no son. Spend time with them, not this. Get a life Steve.
meow


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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 9:24pm.

Now johenry is Steve Brown too. I guess we'll have to start calling you Jim Stinson or Bob Lenox.

Your support for Mayor Developer has certainly paid big dividends for your buddies. Crush the town. Crush the little people. Do you think he'll ever get that 150% pay raise he wants?

Vote Republican


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Submitted by yellowjax1212 on Mon, 01/15/2007 - 11:34am.

Mayor Logsdon, this is your chance to shine and prove many of your detractors wrong.
Pull the plug! De-fund the TDK project now!
It seemed like a good idea when it was thought up years ago but don't let the citizens of PTC be bullied by GRTA and developers who don't care about the gridlock that would ensue.
I know that if you go against GRTA, they may make future projects difficult but some times you just have to put your foot down.
Your time is now.


Submitted by myword_mark on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 10:31am.

The question is, to what point? "GRTA’s decision did not address who would pay the additional design funds to expand the bridge. Smith also said the county thinks it will have to rebuild the current bridge on TDK that spans the CSX railroad tracks because the current bridge is too low."

Don’t worry about "who would pay the additional design funds to expand the bridge?" Ughh.

Okay, why don't we just go ahead and make it a double-decker 8 lane monster bridge.

Think about it; we could get all kinds of TV time from A&E or the Discovery channel because of the sheer scope and magnitude of the project. We could actually eclipse the 'Big Dig' in Boston.

All of the “investigative” Atlanta TV reporters would track the waste and overruns. That advertising alone might stimulate even MORE growth at a FASTER pace.

Also, that way, we only have to build the bridge once. It would be wide enough to accommodate four Marta busses per lane simultaneously.

Furthermore, construction prices are forever on the increase. We could spend 600 million now and that same project would cost 950 million 20 years from now - hey, that's a savings of 350 million bucks! Now who doesn't want to save $350 million?

Gee saving $350 million, free advertising, stimulating growth, making PTC famous for something other than golf carts and hidden businesses - sounds, well, priceless!

I suppose you can promote nearly anything depending on your opinion of what growth is appropriate. Regardless, it seems to me that the “planned” part of the PTC community has been completely obliterated. But hey, that's just my opinion.

Submitted by PTCGA1 on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:33pm.

...what a terrible joke. “Highway 74 cannot take it,” Logsdon said of the traffic that will pour across the new bridge from Coweta right into the heart of PTC. Right, Harold. You are the one that will make this carnage possible, because you and your fellow sell-outs are building the TDK bridge using public money (our TAX DOLLARS) for private gain (you know, the private developers and land owners that gave you money to get you elected to your pathetic one-term as mayor). You will end up moving when this is all over, anyway.

Submitted by myword_mark on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:41pm.

Isn't this GREAT news! I hope it's a HUGE bridge don't you?

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 9:36am.

Just in case you've not been keeping up with the medals count for games:

Developers = Gold: 4, Silver: 1, Bronze: 0

GRTA = Gold: 2, Silver: 0, Bronze: 1

PTC Citizens = Gold: 0, Silver: 0, Bronze: 0

We are getting our butts kicked and it will only get worse. The city is taking a nose dive under Logsdon rule.

Vote Republican


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Submitted by abeautifulday4us on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 12:59pm.

Harold did the bidding of the developers in fighting the increased GRTA requirements he is afraid that it will increase costs and make it harder to get it done.

The Citizen article said: “Highway 74 cannot take it,” Logsdon said.
Hey, Harold--- wake up. What do you think this 4 lane road will do to Crosstown and Ebenezer ?


Submitted by PTCGA1 on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 10:47pm.

There is now only one solution to the nightmare being imposed upon PTC by greedy developers in Coweta County (and their 3 good buddies on the PTC City Council). Don't build the TDK bridge! You don't have to worry about cancer if you don't graft a tumor into your body!! This TDK business just shows everyone how a dedicated minority (with potential to make hundreds of millions) can easily highjack a small town government when the citizenry is apathetic and distracted.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 7:54pm.

1. Poole is an idiot - because of his rude comment about Peachtree City not asking Coweta for permission to build before they started.
2. Poole is an idiot - because he proposed public transportation.
3. This last one is not about Poole, the idiot, instead it is about Logsdon who spoke at Rotary today and was smart and forward-thinking. He is also not a developer shill as many on this forum have accused him of being. He's protecting us from a 4-lane road bringing Coweta people into PTC. And he really understands what the future of Peachtree City will be.

Personally, I hope Harold gets it together and finalizes the West Village. It is important to Peachtree City's future.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 8:48pm.

Pool never said PTC needed to ask permission to do anything.

1. Had PTC and Coweta county worked together, maybe we wouldn't have the disaster we're facing now.

2. Whats wrong with GRTA X-press service? Have you even spent more than 30 seconds studying the facts?

I have.

When are idiots like you going to realize that X-press bus service and hopefully lite-rail are eventually going to be needed in the Atlanta metro area?

Do you plan on using eminent-domain to bulldoze down peoples houses so you can build another road to nowhere?


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 8:11pm.

Morgan, you and Harold need to slow down at the bar there just a little bit. Harold and his buddies pushed for TDK will all imaginable zeal. Now that it is going 4 lane is just an increase to the monster he created. Even when studies showed that traffic would skyrocket he refused to take his foot off the gas and study it. If you believe that Harold is forward thinking you probably believe that Al Gore invented the internet. All Logsdon is doing is trying to create political cover by manufacturing a scenario where he can blame GRTA. He is the one who created the monster.


Submitted by bladderq on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 8:11pm.

1) I grew up in Coweta county and never heard of this carpetbagger. Who is he? He is probably clueless.
2) You may be the idiot for oppoposing public transport.
3) LogsDon has only DONE what the ABBS vote elected him to do, settle the Tennis suit and build a bridge. There is no reason not to build a 2 lane bridge.
They got their own issues on the otherside of the line and Poole know it if he has to travel 154 to I-85 to US 29.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 5:40pm.

"Poole said Fayette County might want to add the GRTA bus system as an alternative for commuters. He remarked that he was surprised how successful the system is for Coweta residents."

HELLO!!!!

Now how is Fayette going to try and NOT allow the XPRESS GRTA service?

I truly enjoy telling the city and county administrations I TOLD YOU!


Submitted by myword_mark on Sat, 01/13/2007 - 6:56pm.

They should be here by 2009 and 2011 respectively.

But I bet you already knew that, right?

Only MARTA wil make it in to PTC (85 to 74 to the Avenue)(and 34 from Coweta to The Avenue).

C-Tran only wants to reach the North End of the county (85S to The Pavillion).

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 8:35am.

In order for that to happen the majority of voters in Fayette County would have approve.


Submitted by myword_mark on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 10:10am.

What percentage do you think already supports it? What do you think that percentage will be in 2011? Time will tell.

While I do not personally favor the route, I certainly would not bet against it being approved by then.

Tell you what, if I am right, the Starbucks is on you (that will leave us plenty of time to get home and pack for the move to Pike County).

If you are right, I'll pay for lunch (while we high five each other) at The Atlanta Bread Company of your choice.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 2:47pm.

Don't thinks so - not even then. The shifting demographic is only racial. For the majority of the voters to want Marta, we will have to have both a racial and an economic shift. Since the watchdogs and enviornmentalists are so rigid about small lots, apartments and debsity in general, the economic shift can't occur. Admission price is now $200,000 and by 2011 it will probably double.

Starbucks and Bread Company will both be out of business by then because of the high rent in the Avenue, but I'll certainly bet something. 2011 is my 70th birthday, so the high five is even questionable.


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Submitted by Enigma on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 11:50am.

I cannot imagine MARTA and C-Tran coming to Fayette/PTC. I cannot imagine it being supported.

I do see the changes in demographics (increase in minorities) but I don't think people who moved here (minorities or otherwise) want MARTA anymore than I do.

There is a reason we ALL live here and not in Atlanta.... isn't there?


Submitted by myword_mark on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 12:51pm.

I hope I am wrong too.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 9:05am.

Give it a couple of more years and the Marta rider clientele may possibly have enough votes to approve. I mean who would have ever thought that PTC of all places would have abandoned their build-out plan and try to keep up with the likes of Coweta and South Fulton Counties?

Not picking at you Robert but we all need to look at the realistic trends that apply to ALL of Fayette County and visualize 5 -10 years over the horizon. Now as to 15 years...... I'd rather not go there.


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Submitted by ptcgv on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 7:01pm.

You have stuck to your guns (and fire extinguisher) on the subject for a long time.

But don't forget, you had a few loyal followers along the way.

Now let's wait and watch it happen.


Submitted by bladderq on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 7:09pm.

RAIL time. Atlanta is a METRO area and like NYC and Chi-town should start acting like one. OR climb higher in the tree and pull the ladder up. My favorite redneck cap was "Keep the South Beautiful / Put a Yankee on the Bus" probably too late.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 5:29pm.

Poole, to name names.

Keep the bridge 2 lanes, or don't built it all.

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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 8:13pm.

You wanted it you got it.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 9:59am.

Nothing is perfect though. I'm not sure there is even room for a 4 lane, with the current situation around the golf course, and other involved properties. We agreed to build 2 lanes, that's been the plan for years. I'm surely not in favor of changing it now. Coweta needs to step up and improve 154 to the Interstate for their own good.

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Submitted by DragNet on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 10:37pm.

I say:

a) Make Hwy 154 a 4-lane to I-85

b) Transform Hwy 74 into a freeway all the way to PTC, let's call it I-385 or name it "Harold Logsdon Freeway"

c) Bring the GRTA buses to PTC. Let's have 2 routes: PTC-Atlanta downtown and PTC-airport (MARTA)

d) Light rail from Atlanta down town all the way south to Senoia

Civilization, yeah! If you don't like it, move to southwest Georgia (Sylvester or Ty Ty).

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Making you think twice......


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Submitted by Enigma on Sun, 01/14/2007 - 11:52am.

Can we chose like in a cefeteria? I don't like option 'c', I chose 'a', 'b' and 'd'.


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