Planners hot, cold on 2 PTC annexations

Tue, 01/09/2007 - 4:56pm
By: John Munford

Planners hot, cold on 2 PTC annexations

Two proposed annexations that would dramatically increase the size of Peachtree City’s West Village received different reactions from the city’s Planning Commission Monday night.

In a workshop format, the commission had good things to say about the responsiveness of Levitt and Sons, which wants to annex 400 acres to build 699 homes in a development that will be restricted solely to persons ages 55 and up.

A proposal from John Wieland Homes just south of the Levitt tract, however, needs more work before it can be brought up for a vote, the commission decided. At the suggestion of City Planner David Rast, a joint meeting of the Planning Commission and the City Council will be held in the near future to discuss various possibilities on the Wieland site.

The two projects are intertwined because both developers have agreed to pay for installing a bridge so MacDuff Parkway can extend over the CSX railroad tracks. They also were considered as one overall development by regional planning agencies at the state level.

Planning commissioner Marty Mullin said he was particularly disappointed that Wieland withdrew an adjacent 89-acre tract it owns to the east of the parcel it is seeking to annex. Wieland took that action after the City Council voted Thursday to, in effect, preclude the 335-townhome development from occurring on the 89 acres, which are in the city limits.

Mullin said although the townhome project was seen as being too dense, he felt the proposed ballfields in the area were an integral part of the plan as a nice amenity.

“I hate to look at this as two separate pieces,” Mullin said. “It could be a big mistake in my opinion.”

Dan Fields, vice president of John Wieland Homes, agreed to work with the commission on possibly relocating the proposed 15,000-square-foot retail area from the northern tip of the parcel to a more centralized location. The retail element is a small part of the overall 379-acre tract with a proposed 540 single family detached homes.

Fields said the homes would start at $350,000 and the site includes several “pocket parks” that, along with the other open space in the project, would be owned and maintained by the homeowners association.

Mullin suggested that if the retail area is built elsewhere on MacDuff Parkway, 90-degree parallel parking for the stores would help calm traffic on the road. Fields confirmed that the road will only be two lanes wide.

Wieland and Levitt are proposing to extend MacDuff Parkway from its current terminus to Ga. Highway 74 at the traffic light for the northern leg of Kedron Drive.

Wieland was lauded for presenting a plan devoid of cul-de-sacs, which Mullin said promoted better connectivity. But the company also has to eliminate several proposed intersections from MacDuff Parkway to meet a condition applied by the Georgia Regional Transportation Agency.

Planning commissioner Patrick Staples said he didn’t think the Wieland plan evolved as well as the Levitt plan did. Staples said he’s also like to see as many hardwood trees preserved on the site as possible.

Levitt was praised for implementing a number of previous planning commission suggestions including a wish to mix up the type of housing in its Seasons at Peachtree City project. Kathryn Zickert noted that 160 of the units were grouped into a “quad style” and although they aren’t directly connected they will have a courtyard feel, she said.

The subdivision will offer 13 different floor plans on four different lot sizes, she noted. An effort will be made to preserve trees on individual lots in part because it helps sell the homes, Zickert added.

The company has abandoned its plans to gate the community at the request of the City Council, Zickert noted. Levitt also will work with the city’s senior adult council on coordinating activities, but the level of coordination will be determined after the impact fees for the development are set.

Seasons will feature several tennis courts, a pool and a clubhouse in addition to other amenities designed for its residents.

Zickert said the subdivision would have little impact on the school system, police and fire services in the city. Former Mayor Steve Brown challenged that assertion, saying that the number of calls for fire and police services would increase if the property is annexed. A tax increase to cover those services would also be necessary, he added.

Zickert also said there would be a 100-foot separation from the northern property line, which borders a rock quarry in Tyrone. Levitt’s plan includes 180 acres of open space including undevelopable wetlands and several passive park areas.

Resident Linda Wojcik said she opposed the annexations because of the high density. She pointed to the city’s recent citizen survey that showed a minority of residents preferred the city to grow by annexation.

“People do not want higher density,” Wojcik said. She also pointed to the lack of trees on cart paths in Wieland’s latest Peachtree City neighborhood, Centennial.

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Submitted by dkinser on Wed, 01/10/2007 - 10:49pm.

We, the residents in the West Village; have been waiting now for a very long time. Everyone agrees that MacDuff Parkay needs another terminus, preferably on Hwy 74, but the previous Council and Mayor kept stonewalling the project.

The city's traffic study that was done for Phase 1 approval stated that based upon a 5% growth rate, that MacDuff Parkway would need two crossings over the railroad track within 10 years. By waiting, we have seen the at-grade crossing die and are looking at a growth that surpasses the 5% rate.

Now you suggest waiting longer and that will force the developers hand? You are crazy. Wieland has had a plan in place to develop that property with 138 homes on septic tanks and remain in the county. That plan does not include extending MacDuff Parkway one inch beyond the city limits. Why haven't they? That is obvious, yes they would rather build within city limits and at a higher density. If you owned the property, you would too.

Yes, Wieland currently owns the property, but with the foot dragging that is going on, he will have to either develop it in the county or sell it. He is a very bright business man and he does not make money by sitting on undeveloped property and paying taxes.

Levitt and Son's do not own the property. They can walk away and the only thing they are out is some minimal fees for whatever studies they had to fund. Pocket change to that company.

So what does waiting give us? Nothing. No MacDuff Parkway extension, no bridge, no at-grade crossing, no school, no new tax revenue. The only thing that is gained is that the property will develop, but likely with less quality builders doing it, and probably within the county so we will have no say on how or what is built there.

Quite honestly, we have waited long enough. The original Wieland project made the most sense. Half the number of homes in that area versus what is proposed today, some white collar commercial properties, a senior citizen community and senior center, a church, and of course; the recreational fields. Waiting cost us all of that.

I say we've waited long enough. Let them move on with the project. We all know that something will go there. Let's let it develop the right way and quit waiting in the process.

Dana Kinser

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/10/2007 - 6:39am.

The hero being David Rast who proposed a joint meeting between council and planning commission since the projects were intertwined; and of course David is smart enough to know that all this bickering about density eventually makes the bridge go away. He simply wants those responsible for killing the bridge do so in public.

The joint meeting is also useful so idiot #1 can learn that developers don't do ballfields when city council takes away their town homes. Same thing applies to bridges, Mr. Mullin. Please pay attention next meeting. Idiot #2 Ms. Wojcik who cites a poll/survey as the basis for denying "higher' density when the actual density is 1.73 which is less than the density of the rest of Peachtree City where all the density objectors already live.

Now don't you anti-growth people worry, you will prevail. Harold and company are not unified and the 3 ladies (one is named Stuart) will knuckle under to your "density" hysterics and kill the project. Then we will have some houses and roads and septic tanks on the edge of the city. No Mcduff extension or bridge, but so what? Built properly or not whatever happens in the west village will produce some trafffic and that's in our future anyway.
meow


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 01/10/2007 - 7:54am.

The developers have no choice.

And just how are the developers going to market their new sub-divisions without the Mcduff extension or bridge?

GRTA OK’s West Village

"Developers John Wieland Homes and Levitt and Sons have proposed expanding MacDuff Parkway all the way to Ga. Highway 74 at the intersection of north Kedron Drive, which is another requirement contained in GRTA’s decision. Doing so will require a bridge to be built over the CSX railroad track, which the developers would pay for."

I don't think the developers have any choice in this. If they renege on the extension of the MacDuff Parkway/bridge, they forfeit GRTA's approval of their plans.


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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/10/2007 - 7:57pm.

You missed my point, which is - whittle away at the developers and they will go away. They may still build some tacky low density houses - or sell to someone who will do the same - but the bridge won't be part of their plans and the city will lose.

Please don't think for a minute that developers have to build - they don't. They can sell, back off or go away.

In fact, the delay of the last 3 years and the declining market since then may be the real reason the West Village is killed. As marketing guru Judi-Ann points out, Lexington town homes are not selling well. No kidding! $350,000 for an inferior product behind a yet-to-be-defined shopping center. Wonder why that wouldn't sell? Maybe reasonable people would rather have something nice that will appreciate in value. Have you seen these things in Lexington? Awful.

Anyone see a connection?

meow


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 01/10/2007 - 8:03pm.

Then GARTA's & the ARC's approval evaporates.

They would have to start the whole process over again.

The current zoning density is not practical for them to develop 1 house per acre. They would lose the shirts.

I agree with you comment that the housing market is in a down-hill slide right now.

From everything I've read, they may be better off waiting three+ years to start this thing.

The land isn't going anywhere and opinions, like the weather, change.


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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 01/10/2007 - 8:12pm.

Wieland has already waited 3 years - mostly for Brown to go away. Yes, they own the land for a bargain basement price and if they get turned down now they will probably build on 1 or 2 acre lots and only make $25 mil instead of 5 times that. No bridge.

Levitt does not own the land - it is optioned. They walk if this proposal is turned down and again - 1 or 2 acre lots are developed and certainly no bridge.

The city can manage this process and get it right or they can negotiate and screw it up. Given the intellect on city council and planning commission, I would predict a major screw-up.
meow


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 01/10/2007 - 8:19pm.

If three years meant that I could make an additional $100,000,000, I can wait.

The longer they wait the more the bridge will be needed.

They won't have a choice.

And they'll have to throw in a school and fire house to boot.

They can't market the property without it.


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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 01/11/2007 - 7:17am.

Yes, you and Dana are both right. Waiting 3 years to make that much extra money usually makes sense and a plan with no amenities and no bridge is not a plan at all.

Wieland has already waited 3 years - waiting another 3 with no clue who will replace Judi and Stuart on council (the 2 votes needed to get this thing done) is very risky. In fact if Wieland makes the decision to wait he is betting on the possibility that Stuart and Judi will be replaced with pro-growth businesslike people and it is highly unlikely that there is anyone like that in town who would even run, much less win. And never 2 of them at the same time. In fact Stuart might get reelected. Judi/Rosie has voted herself off the island with her nasty attitude.

It costs about $250,000 per year to carry that land and pay taxes on it and I don't think it is appreciating that much in value. So look for Wieland to do 1 acre lots. Then Levitt will bail out and that land will be eventually be developed in 1 and 2 acre lots after Wieland is done with his in 4 or 5 years. No road, no bridge, no amenities.

And yes they can market the houses without a school or firehouse (although the city will build one of those) because the people buying today do not care a bit about Peachtree City's great planning and amenities. All they want is a big house and a big screen TV and nice weather - none of which they had in New Jersey.

The residents of the good part of Peachtree City will benefit though as the resale value of their homes will increase dramatically - especially as the retirees move to Sun City Peachtree - in Spalding County. All those 20 year old houses (that they bought from Mr. Wieland for $120,000) will now sell for over $400,000 to the new people, so this is not all that bad. Even the Lexington townhomes may start selling - Yankees like to be crowded together so they can shout at each other across the courtyard.
meow


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