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"In this case neither Brown or Hunter knew what was going to happen under their watch"

Do we need to take up a collection and buy you a watch or calendar in your case.

Brown saw exactly what was going to happen.

Please tell us which Fayette County elected official has the power to change squat in Coweta County?

You're trying, very badly I might add, to blame Steve Brown for not doing something that even the governor of Georgia doesn't have the power to change.

You need to put the crack pipe down and then the hair on your face won't look like you've been holding the lighter a little too close.

Most of us couldn't decide if growth was going to spill down from Clayton County or over from Coweta County first.

Most of us thought Clayton.

Especially when they approved the Pavillion.

We were wrong. It is a tie.

What libertarian utopia do you live in? When it comes to building strategically placed roads and bridges, politicians can make someone's property value go from $100,000 per acre to $10,000,000/acre. This has been going on since the 18th century.

As an aside, do you REALLY think the Coweta good old boys didn't know that a $1.5 billion city was going to be built along the TDK-Mutt & Jeff Highway?

America was built by some of the most noble, hardworking, Judeo-Christian people to ever live on this earth. They included many vital and strong ENTREPRENEURS that built the greatest FREE MARKET system in history, and revolutionized world technology and standards of living as a result. Some of these ENTREPRENEURS are the builders and developers that give us the homes, shopping centers, and highways we all enjoy. They are completely necessary to our national economy, and represent a noble profession.

Wikipedia defines an entrepreneur as "a person who undertakes and operates a new enterprise or venture and assumes some accountability for the inherent risks. In the context of the creation of for-profit enterprises, entrepreneur is often synonymous with founder." Enigma creating 2 PTC businesses (after he retired from active duty) would fall in this category. He should be commended for taking this risk.

A PROFITEER, such as those in the TDK crowd, is an individual who seeks exorbitant profits, often to the detriment of others. In this case, an entire 35,000 person city will suffer significant diminishment of quality of life, and loss of home equity (appreciation). A PROFITEER manipulates the democratic POLITICAL SYSTEM. A PROFITEER BUYS political leaders with campaign donations, and USES PUBLIC MONEY to acquire favorable infrastructure to enhance of their real estate holdings. A PROFITEER manipulates the venerable town hall meeting system (the foundation of our democracy), schedules critical meetings at times when people are still coming home from work, lies about contracts, and calls important meetings with little advance notice so that the CITIZENS will not know what is being done to them. PROFITEERS do not believe in HONEST debate, but in political deal making.

Enigma seems to me to be a triple dipper, maybe even a quadruple dipper.
(dipping means: into the public trough more than once.)
The standard pattern for Colonels and below is: 20-25 years in military with a $40-45,000 dollar pension and medical and food benefits; then some town pension after 10 years or so; then sell investment advice to all the cronys they know.
Few of them get into the halls of fame---too political.
It is called: planning your retirement only for 40 years.

You nailed him Dollar! According to his statements- he retired Military - that's one dip, and then retired form teaching - that's two dips.

A double dipper! Wow, what a scum bucket - first he served his country, then he served the youth of his community by teaching.

I say we hang the crook. We could have had someone with NO real world experience take that teaching job....someone like you dollar!

Now this Enigma has the kuhonas to open a business and create jobs ... what a loser! You nailed him dollar! Good job!

Tell us again dollaraday, what is it that you do?

You called Enigma a profiteer. It is even a ‘headliner’ for your post.

Are you saying that you were wrong?

Oh, thank you so much for the "stroll down memory lane". Do you have any other analogies about the good old days that are related to today’s issues?

Seems every way you turn, someone calls you on your own hypocrisy.

And watch for Basmati - you failed to properly annotate your use of Wikipedia and that is a sensitive topic for him.

Didn’t they teach you how to annotate that at "Harvard"?

Ouch.

...even if I violated my own rule about not debating with someone at least one standard deviation beneath me in IQ...

Please go dust off those 4 honors degrees. BTW, what were they in?

I'm sorry, I thought it was just you stumbling all over yourself while I picked you up, wiped you off, and pointed you back in the right direction.

Regardless, now that I have your limited attention, please review the following header YOU wrote:

hardeehar(sic)- the truth comes out, Enema is a PROFITEER
Submitted by Save Our City on Sat, 12/30/2006 - 2:30pm.

You later posted this:

Enigma creating 2 PTC businesses (after he retired from active duty) would fall in this category. He should be commended for taking this risk.

How in mere hours did Enigma go from PROFITEER to Entrepreneur?

So, were you wrong then, or are you wrong now?

(fictitious laugh)Jackie Gleason - Ralph Cramdon and Ed Norton.
I just created six businesses. Hit air ezze. Most of my part-timers just call people and aggravate them.
Maybe we need to "drain the swamp" in PTC, as Pelosi is going to do in Washington? I suppose if you don't know what hardehar means you won't understand draining the swamp either.

HYPERBOLE is one of our 2 new SAT words today for myword_Mark
example:
"hardeehar- the truth comes out, Enema is a PROFITEER"

from Wikipedia:
"Largely synonymous with exaggeration and overstatement, hyperbole is a figure of speech in which statements are exaggerated or extravagant. It may be used due to strong feelings or is used to create a strong impression and is not meant to be taken literally. It gives greater emphasis. It is often used in poetry and is a literary device."

PROSE is our 2nd word...
example:
"Enigma creating 2 PTC businesses (after he retired from active duty) would fall in this category. He should be commended for taking this risk."

from Wikipedia:
"Prose is writing distinguished from poetry by its greater variety of rhythm and its closer resemblance to the patterns of everyday speech. The word prose comes from the Latin prosa, meaning straightforward."

Okay, Mark, go ahead and take the SAT and get into college and get a 5th degree!!

Oh my. Now you are hiding behind a mask of ‘Hyperbole’. Next, you will blame your errors and lies on ‘dangling participles’ or ‘conjunctives malfunctions’.

How ironic that someone with such disdain for a man with ‘four college degrees’ (AA, AS, BS, MS, - not bragging - you asked) would hide behind the most fundamental building block of learning, language. Oh well, I suppose you have to try to find an area where you feel superior. Hey, I know, we can go by Mass you know, w=mg or w/g = m, I bet you have much more mass than I do! You win!

I can certainly see why you are fixated on me now (rather than TDK), you are after all are being exposed and a socialist, a hypocrite, and an obsession with the growth and development of a neighboring county and the thoroughfares that will accommodate future growth.

By the way, I did thank you for the stroll down memory lane in your second to the last post didn’t I? If not, thank you so much!

I suppose since you have so many references to ‘jousting’ and SAT words that your Education Degree in English has left you envisioning yourself as some sort of ‘Gwenevere”. I can see that you fancy yourself a true ‘damsel’ on a mission to stop the growth around you (for the children’s sake). I know it must be difficult for you to protect your investment but not be a profiteer while simultaneously blasting those who would see a profit in building or developing a community. Hey, maybe you can find three of us and we can be the “Three Profiteers”! You know - three guys just here to create jobs, protect and preserve free enterprise and dare to oppose you in your hypocritical hyperbole. We could be your arch nemesis! By the way, the ‘new’ SAT is being used primarily in the south. Most of the nation has moved to the ACT. Wow, what a flashback, that’s before I took the MAT, the GRE, or the LSAT. We are really strolling down memory lane now! (I probably should have gone on to law school instead of Grad School – we all have regrets!)

Regardless, as you wash clothes and vacuum today, rest comfortably knowing that there is indeed a workforce in place of people who work tirelessly to bring jobs, food, shelter, and safety to your queen-Dom, err, I mean Kingdom.

Perhaps when I teach my next night class in Physics (yes, I actually still do a little ‘night teaching’) I can use you to help explain Newton’s First and Third Laws. (I’ll wait while you look them up.)

Well, sweetheart, “Parting is such sweet sorrow”, regardless, I am still leaving since I have wasted more time already than you are worth

Besides, it’s time to watch football on the new plasma in high definition. (I just love conspicuous consumption.)

(I think all those years in the military and then as a teacher deprived me of material goods and now I’m making up for it. Hey, maybe you can start a second career!)

Go Falcons (Air Force that is) and Go Buckeyes!

Every single person on here is wrong according to you.

You have 17 entire blogs in 12 weeks posted about TDK and as soon as the vast majority tells you that you are a nut case you start a new blog.

You even believe our founding father commented "prophetically" on the TDK development (and I mean Thomas Jefferson!).

You need help SinInMyCity!! Please – go seek professional help now!

Please calm down. I was enjoying our sparring in the blogosphere, but this is ridiculous. Ever hear of hyperbole?

Certainly posible that Mutt was aware the specific development and he was certainly aware that new roads spawn new development - that's what Jeff, er, Brown was "concerned" about.

So why didn't Brown use some of his non-existent leadership skills to get "his" city council to restrict development on the Coweta side? Was it because no one from any county respected Brown nor took him seriously? Was it his obnoxious in-your-face- run to the TV station style of negotiation? Maybe?

Crying wolf about a problem is not what we elect our city officials to do. We want them to govern and solve problems and work out solutions with our neighbors. Not declare war and lose negotiating power, priority for road projects and our fair share of tax revenue from those at the next level up who are always more powerful than the city officials who like it or not are at the bottom of the food chain.

So, for the record - Jeff was right - he warned us. OK? I said it. However, he was completely ineffective in solving the problem he identified.

I really like the Mutt and Jeff moniker for the road. We can thank Mutt because he sandbagged everyone and we can thank Jeff because he couldn't get anyone to listen.
meow

I live in Cowetta County and have been reading much of what you all are posting. I've put my own "small paw " in the frey but, I can't stand up to all of you. I just wanted you all to know that as it stands a lot of the people that I've spoken with on Mcintosh Trail really were not told of a lot of just what was going to happen. Or, so it seems.... When I found out in 2002 I called my neighbors and, they just didn't think it would ever happen. Guess we were just dummies too. I was upset and, met...apathy. SIGH.
You all have a true right to be mad. Just know that some of us in Cowetta County aren't too happy either. Works both ways.
The impact on us all will not be fun. But, as many keep saying...
It's coming. I'll keep reading and, I'll keep my mouth shut from here on out. Or,TRY TO. Just wanted you all to know there are people in Cowetta who are just as unhappy as you are. Gee, I don't really want another city between us. I have a whole bunch of acres across the street that are going to be history. New city coming.
I want you to know that the concept of PTC is wonderful and, I understand why you are up in arms. I think PTC is a lovely place.
Just don't be too hard on those of us in Cowetta we were just as mistaken as you were. We all need to be a little bit more picky. As in reading up on who we vote for before all the action comes down.
Thank you for all the interesting blogs. Even in Cowetta I try to keep up with the news in PTC. Peace.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL. L.

Most of us know that growth in an inherent part of living in a desirable and relatively young community. Coweta may be growing faster than Fayette now. I know that Henry County certainly is.

You don’t have to apologize for what has been going on for the last 25 years around here. This is really not a surprise for many of us. The size and scope caught many of us off guard, but I know that until it is a solid and complete development from 54 to 85 in both directions, (down 74 and 34) it will continue to grow and fill in.

You are a good neighbor and we appreciate your empathy.

Happy New Year to you and yours!

Although my family has a very long history in this area (literally back to the time of the early 19th century settlement), I have only lived here a few years. I have actually never voted for former Mayor Brown (and had the impression from news stories that he was a kind of a loose cannon), but once the TDK story broke, I have very much grown to appreciate his articulate and well reasoned articles against such. Nevertheless, you raise an extremely valid point: why did Mayor Brown not stop this thing long ago?

I assume it is because he had only a general understanding of what could happen in eastern Coweta, but with no particular knowledge. The scale of this brand new $1.5 billion city at our backdoor is truly a very shocking thing. Indeed. if Brown had known, I am sure he would have made it a major campaign issue, especially since Logsdon was getting campaign money from the landowners!!

On the Coweta side of the creek, this project could not have possibly been unknown. Lawyers, real estate people, surveyors, environmental experts, civil engineers, land planners, etc. have definitely been working on this at various times (secretly) over the last several years. Many people had to have known what was about to happen. The fact that they kept it so secret is truly amazing. These people are obviously very devious, but they are very good at what they do. But then again, the rate-of-return (ROR) that they will yield from their investments if the TDK bridge is built is truly staggering. It will literally make some people tens (hundreds?) of millions of dollars (in increased real estate value) instantly upon ribbon cutting. Hence the ruthlessness of these people in electing Manchurian candidates, shoving things through council, and running last minute meetings filled with disinformation for the public.

I like Steve Brown as much as the next guy that likes him, but come on. In my humble opinion, a lot of these blogs sound like Steve trying to compliment himself or start another political move for Mayor. Believe me, I'm certainly no fan of Harold "Sell them out" Logsdon or his "to hell with the employees" City Manager.

He may or may not have been a good mayor...I don't have the history here to really have an opinion. But it seems to me that someone like Brown is going to really seize the opportunity in 3 years as the "restore ethics, fight-the-power" candidate. This situation is clearly developing into a likely win for the person that assumes that mantle and makes the most of it (despite the other side's huge campaign money). Brown looks very smart to me, and his letters to the paper and statements to council are insightful and lucid. I would wager he makes a strong run, and could probably re-take his old office. Then the criminal investigations of the current club will begin. This is going to be a long saga, indeed. I've seen this scenario in other towns of this size.

That is what he's thinking and it is how he is positioning himself. Feb 1. will set him back a bit, but voters in this town are mostly brain-dead. They pay little or no attention for 2 or 4 years and make a decision to vote for or against someone because of a yard sign or a letter to the editor they saw the previous day. That's how he got elected in the first place. Right now the odds of him returning and beating Logsdon are better than 50/50.

I will have moved outside the city by then and won't care. But beware if you are staying - Brown is a tax and spend Democratic all the way.
meow

... that is the smartest thing you have ever said Save Our City. You should have started and stopped right there.

YOU are contributing to the growth of the area... YOU are part of the problem that YOU are complaining about. You want to move in, but want to close the door behind you. Where did you move from? Why did you leave? Can you go back? Please?

..that was part of the original planned community of PTC. My complaint is with the profiteers that want to build a HUGE new city in Coweta (at our backdoor) and then route most of their traffic through our wonderful PLANNED community. You, on the other hand, MOVED from this fantastic town, but you still apparently have a business here!!! So we see your true motives, Enema: you are all for HIGH traffic counts and gridlock in PTC, because you think it will benefit you personally. You are the very definition of a profiteer - - squeezing as many bucks as you can out of this town while living somewhere else! LOW, very LOW.

Maybe you bought one of my houses... Ha! Move to Brooks and you can buy another!

I still own two houses in PTC. I own two businesses in PTC.

I have made it very clear that I hated to see the growth that has caused us to explode in the last 15 years.

I am smart enough to know when it is time for me to move my family out of an area - and I did what was best for my family.

You on the other hand moved in while the area was (and is) exploding with growth and are now shocked at the growth. Duh. You are either the most naive person I have ever come across, or you are the dumbest.

Evidence leans heavily to the latter.

Ha! I suspected many of these pro-TDK bloggers had ulterior motives. You get our business and ruin our city while you make money!

I just have to know... you didn't make a profit on your house when you sold and moved here .. did you? Please tell me you didn't!

And all that talk about "lost property values" because of TDK ..you know... "never have so few taken so much from so many" and all that stuff you write ...that's not about YOUR property value is it?

You're not talking about making a P-R-O-F-I-T on your biggest investment are you? Say it ain't so! Say you are not the hypocrite you appear to be...help us understand!

Let's see, retired from the military and then the school system. Check-

Built and opened my first business in 1990 in PTC. Check-

Started a second business in 1996 - made money both places. Check-

I began selling my ‘deceased’ relatives land and began building people houses (and pools) in 1999. Double Check-

I moved out of PTC because of traffic, neighborhood decline and crime concerns in 2001. Check-

Check, check, double check and check. Yep, I'm a profiteer!

Glad to be one, proud to be one, hope to be one for many more years to come. Don't you want to be one too?

Oh, by the way, I just bought some land in Pike County too. The superintendent and sheriff are both new friends of mine there nice guys.

So, do you want to buy a house there? Will build to suit!

I thought it was called Hardees. We used to have a Hardees in PTC.

Right, E-n-i-g-m-a? I believe Mr. Cathy has a business there now.

I forgot, save our city doesn't want us to comment about the old days.

Too bad, I enjoyed the "old days."

Happy New Year

When you read those statements from years past, it's clear that Steve Brown was trying to save us from a major catastrophe. Instead of heeding the warning, we listened to a band of cheats like Fred Brown and Bob Lenox.

You reap what you sow.