The Curmudgeons of Peachtree City

This is more stream-of-consciousness, so forgive any tangents...some food for thought and detailed analysis by the experts on this site regarding recent Peachtree City political goings on:

- There appear to be maybe 8 or 9 folks on this website that contribute semi-regularly. If you go to the Citizen's companion site,, you get about maybe 5 or 6 more. So there are around 20 "posters" that seem to have opinions about the goings.

They keep repeating the same things over and over again...

- The mayor, city manager, one particular council member and probably every developer in town are reportedly regulars at local bars

- All these people reportedly get together and decide everything at these local bars and then go into their offices and arrange hastily called meetings to "officially" push things through.

- All these people reportedly don't take ANY public input whatsoever, don't do any research or analysis, don't look at long term statistical trends or consider any other factors other than their own self interests.

- The political "machine" of Peachtree City reportedly are completely against all City employees and do whatever they can to break the backs of those who keep us safe, clean and enjoying our town.

These are the sterotypical whinings of a minority of individuals who perform a function in every town, regardless of size, demographics, or affluence.

These are the Curmudgeons of Peachtree City.

It wouldn't matter if the City government did everything that they wanted, they'd complain that it wasn't done the "right" way. They come of all manners of private industry with their "successes", calling for the "ethical" and "moral" and "just" answers to the problems before them.

Whose morality do you choose? What are the common standards that we go by?

Have you ever tried to please everybody? It's impossible. But don't tell it to these folks - they can solve every problem in the world, do it without raising taxes or making any employees upset, and make sure that someone knocked on everybody's door to tell them about it.

The curmudgeons live with psychoses instead of understanding the whole, and they have no problem belittling anyone who might have a contrary opinion or ask the other side to consider introspection before lashing out.

I watched "It's a Wonderful Life" last night on TV. Bedford Falls is just like Peachtree City - a idyllic little town where everybody knows everybody else, all the folks are friendly, well - except the nasty bankers who are buying up everything and turning it all into "Potterville", where wine, women and song will run rampant. I honestly believe that there are people that spend their lives thinking that all the bankers, developers and builders of the world are all Mr. Potters, looking to just get everything they can at the expense of the "little man".

I might be naive, but I don't believe that to be the case here.

Life is NOT like Bedford Falls. Peachtree City is a "big town" that was previously run with "small town" ideals. The return to the days when Hudson's and Hi-Brand foods were the landmarks are gone. Development is here, and it's also right next door. Curtailing growth is not the answer anymore - it's time to manage growth to the best that the City can with the outside influences coming down on it.

Stop using this newspaper, or, worse yet, this website to be your only source of news. If something bothers you , CALL CITY HALL at 770-487-7657 and ask someone about it. Believe it or not, I bet you'll find the staff, INCLUDING the mayor, council and city manager, is more than willing to help you. Try to understand ALL the interests that go into keeping a city of 35,000 (and more) moving every day.

If you think that the police aren't getting paid what they should, tell your City Council you want your taxes raised so that the quality of life you hold so dear remains as it was when you moved here. Stop calling the politicians crooks and liars and drunks unless you actually have proof, and if you do, then do something other than sit behind your keyboard and lob merciless assaults that do nothing than hurt humans who are doing the best they can every day.

Blog on that.

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Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 12/21/2006 - 4:35pm.

I did that one time to find out information as to whom the Chief of Police reported. It seems that many of the help there don't like to discuss such things, as I was referred to the written laws concerning such things. It seems the word "firing" is not in the vocabulary of local and state government dictionarys! Used to be if you did fire someone they immediately went on full pension regardless of age. I think now they have to kill someone in front of at least six witnesses other than employees.

Submitted by thebiggun on Thu, 12/21/2006 - 5:14pm.

Well dollaradayandfound I hate to give you my breath or time or day but I can answer the question you asked city hall. The Chief of Police answers to the City Manager unless he is pending tril for DUI, and then he answers to the Mayor unless the Mayor is pending trial and then he would answer to the City Council if they were not pending trial for anything. Now that is logic I know you will understand through the FOG you live in every day.

Submitted by myword_mark on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 9:52am.

Your article is NOT written in stream of consciousness - it is rhetorical. Your moniker is in stream of consciousness.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 10:11am.

To reply to Myword_mark, indontknow doesn't have a conscience; therefore, a stream of conscience is just not possible. Rhetorical, not indontknow. His is more of a flatulence of the mind.

Mayor Logsdon is still a curmudgeon favorite and idontknow leads the cheers.

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Submitted by ptc_blogs_intyme on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 9:59pm.

PTC has become a police ticket city.. I'd say they've taken very good care of the bad guys, and then some, but of course crime has never been a issue in this city, not in 40 years....

Not only are the bad guys outside the area afraid to come here (which is fine and have been for 40 years), but the locals can't even go out without the constant threat of the boys in blue on their arse..

It is no longer about helping fellow-man, its all about cash that can be generated for the next ticket handed out.. Its a game which has grown to uncontrollable heights, which the Chief can no longer rein in because his budget requires it.. Cash is king, because the budget requires it..

I remember the day when law enforcement in this town was there to help, no matter the situation, but no more.. When teenagers were warned, more than once, but not anymore, it is ticket or jail and cash is king, because the budget requires it..

So who is in control, the police are! The gov't workers that now want a union. It is no longer about helping the citizens, its all about the cash revenue they can generate, because the budget requires it. And they are all involved in the cash food chain, the lawyers, the judges and the police, its a game tonight, because the budgets require it.

Yes, PTC is now big tyme, its no longer the same and never will be what it once was...

Greedy politicians, cops out of control, taxes that run off the common man, bankers that are thiefs, and G6 that controls all the land.. and now the gov't workers that always want more, because it is all about them... and the cash of course, because the budgets require it..

You can have it, I'm going to the lake...

Submitted by Swartzerized on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 7:07pm.

Much to my shock and dismay (yeah right), there are several uninformed know-it-alls on this blog who offer their opinion as fact. Fortunately, most readers take the time to research the issues, as I did, and understand that the deceit and lies of these degenerates are nothing more than poor attempts to discredit some and mislead other. Bladderq and “ptc blogs intyme”, would either of you know the truth even if it bit you in the butt? Could you guys be any more dishonest or is that just a part of your personalities? By the way, go to the city’s website. Check the police department’s yearly report. If my math is even close, somewhere between 40%-44% of all police department traffic stops result in warnings. Doesn’t that shoot a hole in your theories (or better yet lies). I guess that’s just the facts, something that you people are obviously unfamiliar with. Can you say credibility? Both of you have discredited yourselves with your venom, lies and propaganda about our fine police department (especially you bladderq). Sometimes you think like a nut, sometimes you………no, you always think like a nut.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 8:53am.

You are full of it!!

PTC has always, always been a ticket city! I would love to have even one person come forward, and tell us they have ever received a warning...........go on tell us...even one? Yeah I didn't think so.

That is part of how they serve us and keep us safe, from road rage drunks, and kids who are careless drivers.

If your kids are violent and destructive they will protect us from you and your kids. As well they should.

I see our officers doing "random acts of kindness" all of the time.

The other day I saw one help a senior citizen get into the grocery store and help her get into the little mortorized cart...
Several months ago there was a letter to the editor to thank the officer who helped a motorist rescue a family of little ducklings after their mother had been hit.
A month ago I saw one officer help a family catch their dog that had hopped out of the car when they stopped at a restaurant....they caught the dog before it got hit.

Our cops are unfailingly polite, almost to a fault. They won't let you go with a warning......but they would never hit you either. Do you really want the kind of cops that got their job by default?

If you are drinking and driving you should feel a constant threat from them and every other cop......if your kids feel the extreme "need" to destroy everything that isn't your property, you should feel threatened. In the last two years the kids here have become increaseingly violent and destructive....there crimes do not deserve a warning. Back in the day when all kids did was tp someones house that was different. Now we are talking about thousands of dollars in damages, and kids with access to guns.

Submitted by thebiggun on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 10:47pm.

Both of you jerks do not know what you are talking about and are striking out at law enforcement because you either have bad kids that can't follow the law or in your case Bladderq, defend guys on the internet looking for kids. Bladderq still having fun in your little dark room of yours while on the internet? Neither one of you have the guts to put your name on anything you write. As for you PTc blogs, a bloger for 1 hour, it is really easy to figure who you are. Stop drinking at night and spend your time doing your home work on city issues that you are paid to look at. Bladderq I thought you did us all a favor and whet back into that little spider hole the last time you made a jerk out of yourself. Promise me o promise me neither of you two fools ever produced any children that will have your sick way of thinking in the future.

Advise to both of you MOVE !

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Submitted by ptc_blogs_intyme on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 11:05pm.

THE big gun... wow! scare me.. What is your name big guy, I mean gun? You didn't post yours either arse..

I don't have bad kids, have great kids as a matter of fact, and none have met the blue light special, yet.. But it is only a matter of time because of the state of the union.. they WILL get their first ticket in PTC, no doubt.. and will be the first time the boys in blue decide to stop them, for whatever the misdemeanor charge is.. It won't be a talk, it won't be a warning, it will be a ticket.. No doubt in my mind..

They can be honor students, never been in trouble, participate in good community activities, but the boys in blue will meet the revenue plan.. I assure you.. tymes have changed in this city, particularly the past 10 years. it is just not the same anymore..

Go see the former PTC cop in the wheel chair at the BP Store on 54.. Richard, ask him how the boys in blue have changed.. it is a different tyme... It is no longer about helping others, cash is king and budget plans must be met.. for all..

Submitted by intheknow on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 11:44am.

ptc_blogs_intyme post - "Go see the former PTC cop in the wheel chair at the BP Store on 54.. Richard, ask him how the boys in blue have changed.. "

If you referring to "Richard", whom hangs out at the BP on 54 next to Peachtree National Bank - He was NEVER a PTC Cop, but retired as a PTC Firefighter after 10 years of service with the city.

So typical of so many of the "Curmudgeons" whom post all the accusations, false statements and rants and whines daily here and in the paper.

You just don't know what your talking about. I worked with Richard!


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 9:04am.

The honor student argument, isn't really a good or plausible argument.

The kid that shot his friend at the drug party last summer, was an "honor student". One of the kids that broke into those stores last summer was an "honor student". Two of the kids who have been arrested for damaging my property were "honor students" and guess what their parents had to say...go on guess...."they have never been in trouble before". Ok I know half of you just went into shock, you didn't see that responce coming did you?

Guess what? Ted Bundy was an "HONOR STUDENT" He was also a serial killer and has fortunatly been put to death already.

Stop with the silly honor student argument.

Submitted by bladderq on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 10:18pm.

I didn't start this post but I told you so.
When they came for the Commies, I didn't speak (& so on) & then they came for me & I couldn't speak.
Go to city court on Wed and see the cases they bring. Prove the Boys in Blue don't treat it like a game & the winner is the one that gets the most in fines.
Was the latest PEDio- bust made off an adult web-site or is she in the kids only chat-room?

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Submitted by ptc_blogs_intyme on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 10:41pm.

Been there, watched em... I know what they are doing.. I know the judges personally, I've seen first hand the boys in blue and have experience with the lawyers.. It is nothing but a financial gain/game for all..

None of them could give a crap less about human beings, other than what is their wallets and how much cash they can shift to theirs..

gotta meet budget plans of course..

gov't workers in this town are no longer different than the free enterprise captialistic opportunist, no differnt then the bankers and g6....

Submitted by Swartzerized on Tue, 12/19/2006 - 7:29pm.

Go to the lake ptc blogs intyme. Better yet, go to Montana and join one of those anti-establishment white supremacist groups. Be careful though and keep a real close watch behind you. The men and women in blue are all around you and probably have your phone tapped. Heck, they may have even planted a computer chip in your brain. Better yet, they probably have been conspiring with the aliens to beam you up, probe your body, and conduct test on you. I wouldn't put it past them a bit. The ringleader is probably the guy at the store on Hwy 54. We all know that the police would do anything to make you violate the law just to issue you a ticket. It’s scary, isn’t it. Heck, you scare me.

Submitted by Jones on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 11:51am.

Well now, aren't idontknow and borntorun being little cry babies. The two who hide behind their monitors and spit venom are whining because the winds of change are blowing.

A lot of us were glad when idontknow left the site after being proven a total hypocrite. Alas, he's returned ... poor us!

The sad part of our story is a majority of the ignorant voters elected your candidate, Mayor Harold Curmudgeon, to office. Now the poo-poo is hitting the fan, the Curmudgeon Mayor is doing stupid things and the people want to run away.

There are some followers who still have a firm grip on the Curmudgeon Mayor's fanny. Knights of the idiot table. They look back to the good old days under the rein of King Bob Lenox, back when you could still buy a landfill from your friend with tax dollars.

The non-intellectual giant and common whiner idontknow, crying like the school boy who pooped in his pants on the school bus, wants to know why everyone is so angry at Mayor Harold Curmudgeon for rewarding those who do us the most harm.

Go, go idontknow, clean off the backs of you legs, realize there is right and wrong and contemplate choosing right this time.

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Submitted by borntorun on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 2:13pm.

Crybaby?? Obviously, you didn't read your own blog! I haven't heard that much childish and immature talk and bullying in your response since the 3rd grade playground.

Jeez, just how old are you? Do your parents know you are on the computer instead of in school?

Your response is so typical of someone who won't respond to the crux of the issue - attack the messenger (which by the way doesn't bother me in the least just makes you look unintelligent).

Look, I don't know Lenox, Logsdon, Pace, Christian, Godfrey, Brown, or any of the other big bad wolves at the door and I don't have anything to gain or lose with any of them in office or out of office. And I certainly don't agree with everything that's been done by any of them but that was not the point of my comment.

My point is (again!) why don't you (and the other whiners) come out from behind your PC's and run for office or join a board, association or authority where you might just make a real difference in the community? After all, as you imply in your response, you are much smarter than the rest of us.

You and I know both know the and the others are scared to be put in a public forum where your identity is known, your vote really means something with an impact on the citizens and you have to publicly justify why you voted or didn't vote on a matter.

After all, it's just so much easier hiding behind the monitor being the know it all second guessing everything that everyone else does.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 9:49pm.

The ailing Mudcat has accused no less than 37 bloggers on this site of being Steve Brown. The guilt rooting through Mudcat's subconscious mind for supporting TDK and the development authority bums has him yelling Steve’s name at cars passing by.

If you don't agree with his choice for mayor, you must be Steve Brown. Mudcat's wife is Borntorun, so that's why he's getting so touchy with Jonesie.

By the way Borntorun, your husband called you a "Direct PAC pusher" in his other post. Putting him out on the sofa?

Vote Republican

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 10:45pm.

You've all got it wrong.

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 8:00pm.

Immature - for sure.
Best thing to do is not respond to his attacks.

He has issues with the current Mayor because he was beaten badly by him and when the loser who now calls himself "jones" and other things was in office he frequently said "I love being your mayor" Remember that?

Hey Cal! Why don't you limit him to one screen name? Huh?

Submitted by Jones on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 6:11pm.

First of all Borntorun, you have no sense of humor. There will be no candy in your stocking this year.

Second, is your real name "Borntorun"? Don't you think it's a bit hypocritical for you to be accusing others of hiding behind their monitors?? Get real buddy.

I do vote and I do e-mail elected officials from time to time on things. But do you really think anybody who is not in Mayor Harold Curmudgeon's camp is going to have any influence. I've got several friends who voted for him and are absolutely in shock.

Anybody who still supports TDK after the articles in the papers last week is crazy or crooked. It's hard to change their mind in either case. Speaking of crazy, how about Judy Rutherford? They need a tranquilizer gun at City Hall.

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Submitted by borntorun on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 8:36am.

Excellent points!! I've noticed the same thing....there are only about 20 or so of these regular bloggers who constantly whine about everything here in PTC and man, I do mean everything!

It has always struck me that these 20 or so regulars have a rather self-inflated sense of their sphere of influence on local issues.

You also make a good point about what do they do to really make a difference...I know, I know...they are all oh so busy with jobs and family they don't have time to actually run for office or volunteer for the local boards, authorities and associations but by god they sure do have an awful lot of time to sit on the computer and whine and second guess every little thing.

Have you ever noticed the timelines on some of these blogs?? 4:30 in the morning!! Seems to me that if you really care about what you see and don't like, then get off of the computer and do something constructive that will have an actual impact.

Oh, I forgot....that would actually involve making tough choices in the public eye rather than hiding behind a monitor....silly me!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 9:31pm.

Best they can is not good enough for leaders. They must have an agenda for the people and work towards its completion. If everything they do is for development, banks, realtors, former military, politicians, and employees, then they aren't working for us, the rest of the citizens.
I haven't heard a word out of the PTC administration about what they are doing for my protection (someone other than those enumerated above).

Submitted by idontknow on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 9:40pm.

Do you SERIOUSLY feel unsafe in Peachtree City? There have been 2 murders in PTC this year, and neither one was random! That's the most there has been in decades!!!!

You haven't heard a word out of the PTC administration about what they are doing for your protection? How about trying to hire more firefighters and police officers this year WITHOUT raising your taxes?

And "agenda for the people" - all those groups that you mention ARE a part of the people. If we take out "former military", I think about 25% of PTC would get mad Smiling

What, specifically, do you want to hear from the "administration"? The city puts out press releases every time they arrest some internet offender or stop a they really need to knock on your door every day?

And "best that you can" is good enough in my book. Unless you're going them a blank check (and you're not), then you do the best you have with what you've got. And the agenda was set when you voted folks in - they told you what they were going to do.

Harold Logsdon said he would get TDK moving - take this quote from the Chamber of Commerce "Candidate Forum" in the election:

I would first like to state that I would be in favor of completing this project in cooperation with Fayette and Coweta officials for the most economically efficient solution. The realistic situation is that the TDK extension is already in motion. I feel that my responsibility is not to be an obstacle to the completion of the
project, as it now stands with the current Mayor. The timely completion of this project is vital to PTC’s economy and Fayette County at large.

Taxes - here's what was said in the Citizen's Candidates Forum by the mayor:
I want to use my experience as a certified internal auditor, fraud investigator, and business operations manager to evaluate our city government for efficiency, as well as to better manage our budget. This way we can stabilize and work to reduce the tax burden on our citizens.

Tennis Center Debt - Logsdon said he would settle the Tennis Center debt, and he did.

You got what you voted for, folks.

People put government on this magical pedestal that believes it will cure all ills and make the world what it is - it's a two-way street, folks.

Do YOU pick up the trash on the paths? Do YOU make sure to follow all the rules of the road? Do YOU take the time to look at the budget and ASK questions (not say, "I don't think we need this", but say "what is this used for?"). Have ANY ONE of you gone to a City department and asked "how do you do your job"? You have the right to, ya know.

It's funny - schoolchildren go to City Hall all the time to learn about how government works. It's a shame that adults don't do the same thing...

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