What would you do?

OK, let's say you get elected to the Peachtree City City Council. Congratulations? Here's the environment you've got:

- Only 4,000 people voted you in.
- There are 35,000 residents in town. 12,000 households. About 4,000 of those households are heavily involved in recreation activities like soccer or tennis, be it through their school or club team.
- You have 250 city employees. Salaries rate about middle of the road with cities of comparable size.
- The average employee gets a raise of 5-7% every year, outside of the norm for most governments.
- Insurance costs have risen considerably over the past three years.
- There are very few remaining opportunities for development left in town.
- The prevailing opinion for most taxpayers is they don't want taxes to go up.
- Costs for consumables, including gasoline, asphalt, utilities go up.
- A look at the budget shows there isn't much wriggle room for cutting expenses.
- You are facing a multimillion dollar lawsuit from someone who built city facilities but didn't get paid for them.
- You are facing a long-standing road development and barbarians at the gate who want to connect to your town for all it has to offer. Traffic, while not loveable, isn't as bad as the northside....at least not yet. The only way to improve traffic in your area is to build more roads, because the other developments are coming whether you like it or not.

How do you keep all the employees happy and employed, the citizens happy and yourself in office? Where do you get the money for everything when revenues are stagnant?

Remember, if you cut recreation, you tick off 4,000 people who might be voting you out.

Remember, if you cut employee benefits, you might lose some of the valuable employees you've had for years, or worse, your employees' morale will decline to the point where the quality work they did will degrade.

Remember, the traffic's coming whether you like it or not.

What do you do?

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Submitted by johenry on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 7:43pm.

Here's the Harold Logsdon method:

1. Promise tax reform and don't even try to deliver

2. Watch a railroad parking lot being built at the entrance of the city for six months and wait to respond until it's finished

3. Pursue annexations on both ends of town - one generating $40,000 in taxes and creating $80,000 in city services - all out of the public eye

4. Rabidly pursue TDK with Coweta netting over $1 billion while PTC gets $0 in taxes and ends up with major traffic and millions in unbudgeted road improvements

5. Cut the employees' benefits and move to double your own salary

6. Micromanage the city staff and call extra short notice meetings so the public can't attend

7. Pay a million tax dollars to a bunch of crooks for violating the law

On the face of it, I am at a loss as to why the Logsdon leadership method hasn't worked. Smiling He's going down as one of our all time greatest ____________.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 7:47pm.

NOT!!!!!!

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Submitted by G35 Dude on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 7:23pm.

OK I’ll take a shot at this.

1. I got elected by the majority of the people that voted. That’s all that matters.
2. PTC is a town that is into recreation. You had to know this going in.
3. If the city employees are being paid mid range with 5-7% increases I see nothing to address here.
4. Employee’s benefits costs are increasing everywhere. Most private companies are passing at least part of the increased costs on to employees. Personally I’d like to hold that to a minimum.
5. If someone built something for the city they should be paid in accordance with the contract.

So how do I pull this off when the residents don’t want a tax increase and there’s no room in the budget for cuts?

1. Make TDK a four lane TOLL road.
2. Let the residents that use the recreation facilities pay a small fee. (Or a small increase in fees)
3. Then and only then raise taxes the minimum necessary.

I beleive in the pay for what you use approach to the extent that it's possible.


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Submitted by Dalton Russell on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 5:12pm.

This is intersting in the fact that you said that there's no room left for expansion, yet we have developers at the door. Also, we are still expanding. Isn't the city considering annexing further on Hwy 54? However, in the interest of this I will give it a try.

***If I was only voted in by 4,000 people voting for me then I shouldn't really be worried about a second term; but for argument's sake let's say I am going to run again.***

#1-I would not accept the debt of another just to avoid a lawsuit. Gee, that's a no brainer there. Go for the lawsuit. I can defend not accepting $1.5mil in debt and spending $100,000.00 doing than to say "Well, I was worried we'd spend more money that we're going to pay in the end."

#2-I would make sure that the city employees got their pay raises and COLA so that we could retain the ones we already have.

#3-I would decline and fight off any attempts to raise the pay of council and those in the city making over average wage for a city our size.

#4-I hate it, but taxes need to go up. I would defend this with surveys of the surrounding areas and justify it with logic rather than smoke and mirrors.

#5-I would allow the construction of the TDK extension on the following conditions. It be declared a State Highway rather than a four lane road. Since it becomes a highway, wouldn't that mean that the state would be responsible for its construction and maintenance? (asking, not sure about that one)

#6-The barbarians can sit down and take a break while we re-evaluate the budget and see where needless spending has been done. If only 4,000 citizens are actively involved with athletics then why do we need more and more fields, air-conditioned toilets, and places like that? That's only (roughly) an eigth of the population and we should reassess what the citizens really want. Not just the noise makers. Do they want more safety in their community or more places to have the understaffed employees keep clean, the police to patrol, and fire/EMS to answer calls to. We already have them overworked and understaffed. Why create more problems before repair the existing damage?

#7-STOP SPENDING NEEDLESSLY ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT NEEDED.

#8-Make sure that everyone knows why.

I know this is an odd way of looking at it, but it's a thought and what someone operating with morals and integrity would/should do. I consider myself a person of high morals and would like to believe that I would, and could, do these things.

Mr. Know,
Please tell us how you would contain the hemoraging of employees and money. I'm sure you're waiting for someone to ask or suggest that. You're posts I've read indicate a that you are somewhat closed to any other opinion than your own, so I'm sure you have hatched THE master plan to cover all of the bases you've just laid out before us. After all, why else lay the scneario down as you did?

We await with baited breath....


Submitted by idontknow on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 7:37pm.

...I wouldn't run for office.

I'd go to work every day, come home, feed my family and laugh at folks on the Internet thinking they have all the answers.

I'd be like the majority of PTC citizens - I wouldn't care.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 7:45pm.

You would love for all of us to do that wouldn't you???? Yeah, then you could do whatever underhanded illegal thing you wanted too. Soooorrrryyyy.

Here's what I would do if I were a white collar criminal.......I would leave PTC and go live in Atlanta where I could get away with it.......without all of these pesky honest people pointing out my dishonesty to me! You could slide under the radar up there idon'thave ethics.

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Submitted by Fins on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 6:17pm.

Sounds good to me!


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sat, 12/16/2006 - 7:51pm.

Well, first I focus on what is important.
#1 is that the fact that only 4,000 people voted in the election or voted for me or whomever is not relevant - so I ignore that.
#2 the fact that there are 35,000 people living here is also not relevant. 1/3 are kids, 1/3 are not registered to vote (who knows why) and the other 1/3 is in fact registered to vote and somewhere between 10% and 40% of them do. Know that and move on. That is only important if I plan to run for reelection.
#3 I will not run for a second term and do not think about it.
#4 I get to work and run the city.
#5 I pay the tennis center debt back.
#6 I give the deserving employees a raise.
#7 I hire more police and firefighters.
#8 I get rid of Bernie and let Colin retire gracefully, then I hire
a real city manager who doesn't care about politics - say, Jim
Williams, just to pick a name out of the air.
Now, here comes the big one - look out!
#9 I RAISE TAXES TO PAY FOR IT ALL!!!
#10 The 4,000 who want to vote me out cannot because I am not running again.

So, how hard is that - unless I have an ego and a need to advance politically?
Our taxes are about the lowest in the entire US (except for Nebraska, but who wants to live there) and we can all afford another $500 to $800 per year which would solve all the problems.


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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 6:31am.

Morgan says “We can all afford another $500 to $800 in taxes.” WOW…Breathtaking.

Morgan, Mudcat and Phil the Shill are the developer sychophants. They have an agenda. They support the unplanned and reckless growth because it helps their inner circle. Fresh after obligating the taxpayers for $1.5 million for the tennis center welfare bailout, Logsdon refuses to even ponder the explosive, now revealed traffic impact created by the TDK road we are paying for since “I am not willing to waste $1,000 of the taxpayers hard earned money” to delay the project.

Let’s be real folks. You have an agenda. You want to make money. That’s fine. Harold wants to help you make money. He is willing to subvert and manipulate government to help you. Since that is his aim, I would agree, he needs to bring back Basinger and Williams.

But saying “We can all afford another $500 to $800 in taxes,”, misses the whole point of responsible government-----“SHOULD WE PAY $500 MORE IN TAXES ??? ” NO--- not unless necessary. Morgan Mudcat and Phil say “Heck yeah….Pay more in taxes. It helps the DIRECTPAC/Pace crowd.”

The reality is that there will be many more real reasons in the future when we will HAVE to raise taxes. If we have to raise taxes for a necessity (like Police protection or federally imposed stormwater management) then I will agree. But I don’t agree that my taxes should go up just because Morgan, Mudcat and Phil the Shill say I can afford to and because they and their buddies now have a sump pump into the city treasury.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 6:45am.

I guess the list of city improvements I posted was somehow misunderstood. I guess the new police and fire personnel would make money, the guys working on the cart paths would - not sure about Group VI (Pace) or the "developers" you didn't name.

And I can't figure how I would make money out of that tax increase - maybe wheels on meals since I have been retired for 10 years - and not from the development business or anything like that.

Oh yea, there is one way I would profit. The value of my house (and yours) would increase and when it is time to sell will sell quickly because rational people don't mind normal taxes to live in a safe neighborhood.


Submitted by johenry on Sun, 12/17/2006 - 7:50pm.

Oh yea, Robert W. Morgan has been hanging out at the Y Knot again with Mayor Logsdon!!!! Sure thing Robert, we all have another $800 to throw into the pot. I found $800 in the lint trap last week. Please don't run.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 6:22am.

$500 on the low end of my mythical tax increase for each of the 10,000 households here would raise $5,000,000 each and every year. If you can keep most or all of that from being redistributed back to Fayette County, you can do an awful lot - for example:
*5 more police officers and patrol the cart paths
*5 more firefighters
*5 more EMT's
*Repave and widen cart paths at 3 times the current rate
*Fund a teen center
*Subsidize Meals on Wheels and the Samaritans

All that and we haven't even used 1/2 of the $5,000,000 yet.


Submitted by johenry on Mon, 12/18/2006 - 7:38am.

Here we go, the Harold Logsdon supporters are already desperately running around trying justify his next TAX INCREASE.

Harold Logsdon wasted $1 million on dirty deeds. Why should we trust him with more. What happened to all the "financial guru" talk surrounding Mayor Logsdon? He has proven to be a complete fake.

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