PTC’s debt repayment shows city’s integrity

Tue, 12/12/2006 - 5:26pm
By: Letters to the ...

We had gone through years of hardships. The period leading up to the Revolutionary War had taken its toll. This was followed by the terrible years of war in which constant struggle and hardship had been the rule rather than the exception. Many of the brave men who signed the Declaration of Independence had lost everything including their very lives. These years had left a young nation and its people scarred and worn. This was followed by years of a failed government under the Articles of Confederation.

Undaunted in their belief that liberty as afforded by a democratic government was the hope for the grand experiment known as the United States these early leaders pressed forward with a new outline: The Constitution of the United States.

This first Constitutional government had many issues to reconcile. The status of the Army and Navy, the establishment of “Cabinet positions,” and the role of the government in commerce were some of the crucial early issues.

One of George Washington’s former military attachés, Alexander Hamilton, was again called upon to serve his young country. An early issue facing Hamilton was a huge debt. The Continental Congress had run up a debt of almost $75 million during the war years.

Most of it was paid for with Continental script. Troops had been paid with, supplies bought with, debts serviced with and services rendered with Continental script. Hamilton felt this debt should be paid in full.

Many argued that this was debt not owed by the “new” constitutional government. At least two governments, the Continental Congress and the government under the Articles of Confederation, had come and gone. The Continental Congress had incurred this debt they lamented. Others argued that speculators and other unscrupulous people would prosper. Still others argued that much of the money had been spent without a judicious accounting.

Hamilton with Washington’s strong approval argued quite eloquently the if the United States was to be “City on a Hill” for the rest of the world to see then we must honor our debts. No matter how they were incurred, they were incurred during our struggle for independence.

People had rendered services and incurred hardships and now those debts must be honored. This government no matter what name it has gone under is a government of the people and must pay its debts. The debts were paid.

How does this relate to us? Peachtree City just worked out a deal to repay a debt incurred by the Development Authority of Peachtree City, a debt that had been incurred while building the tennis center and improvements of the Frederick Brown Amphitheater. Some argued that it not the city’s debt. It was the development authority’s debt. Some argued that those too close had prospered and that underhandedness had been prevalent. Others argued that money had not been judiciously spent.

I am proud to say that the officials of Peachtree City settled the dispute and have honored the debt. I am proud to say that my city is still the “City on a Hill” whose light shines with beams of responsibility, integrity and honor.

If we had not managed our affairs locally with principles in which we believe, how can we hold our leaders in Atlanta and Washington responsible for their actions? Just as George Washington and Alexander Hamilton understood the importance of governmental integrity, so too have our local leaders. I want to say a personal thank you.

Phil Boswell
Peachtree City, Ga.

Boswell was a candidate for mayor of Peachtree City in 2005.

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Submitted by johenry on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 7:31pm.

This Boswell guy is joking, right? We certainly got a large fruitcake for Christmas this year. When did Secretary Hamilton ever call for us to pay the bad debts of others?

I wasn’t aware that Phil Boswell was running on a pro-corruption campaign last November. What a nut case.

Even the mayor said in the newspaper that the whole tradegy was dark spot in the city’s history.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 11:03am.

I really intended to say no more about the tennis center crookedness, but the statement that the Peachtree National Bank, Group Vl and others, had performed a service and that their bill must be paid for that service as would all decent people, just keeps ringing back up in my head!
If they performed a legitimate service for the Development Authority of Peachtree City, the purchase order having been signed by the Development Authority by an authorized person, then I agree that the Development Authority, a seperate entity, should pay the bill. The fact that they were dumb enough to spend the money on town property is certainly not my problem as a taxpayer.
The other idea that some kinds of tax are not really tax on us is also stupid. When I stay in another town with such a tax, I pay mine in that town, don't I? Stupid, stupid. What kind of lawyers used what kind of law to recommend that?

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 8:15pm.

We did the honorable and correct thing through our properly elected officials.


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 9:36pm.

You and Harold pulled the taxpayers pants down. We have appropriate sports facilities all over town (soccer, baseball, aquatics) but we have a grandiose, exorbitant, inappropriate failure in the tennis center. You didn't ever put it up for a vote and a Thanksgiving Eve settlement for $1.6 mill was the only way you could finally get the cash.

The fact that it was not exposed to public debate at a regular meeting speaks volumes.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 6:15am.

You respond to my comments as if I'm personally responsible for everything bad that ever happened to you. What is that all about? And why do you copy my icon?


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 11:05am.

Perhaps he's an irate PTC Taxpayer that is not pleased that he and the rest of the PTC citizenry have been fleeced by unethical and crooked politicians, lawyers, bankers, and developers.

Perhaps he's also irate to the fact that you mislead folks into believing you were citizen Robert W Morgan. At least we know that people like Kevin King, Father Oops, Steve Brown, Richard Hobbs, Jeff Carter and others who choose to use real names are indeed who they say you are.

You are a deceiver. You used the name of a dead man in an attempt to trick people and use the identity of a dead man to try to add credit to your positions. Heck, you even duped the Holy Dude. That's gotta be a mortal sin of some kind wouldn't you think?

As for the rest of us anonymous bloggers don't go there. We are really who we are and not who we are pretending to be. Let's see...What you see is not what you git. Uhhh..we ain't who we really are? We're not as phony as we really are? Ohhh...forget it I give up.

So to lend your postings a little more credibility how about adjusting your name a bit. Errr....perhaps to Robert L Lenox?


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 7:47pm.

It is not about issues, instead it is the anger about the last election and the so-called power structure. Got it, Gitreal.

For the record, I am not Lenox, I never claimed to be a citizen of the same name as my icon, I did not deceive anyone - my name and photo match - better than some I might add - and most important, I am not a developer or politician or even a dreaded Direct Pac member. Ordinary citizen of 20 plus years who absolutely loved Robert W. Morgan saying "Good Morgan" every day in LA. And as an aside, I hated having to move here from my native state, but after a couple years I would gladly quit my job befoe I would move away. This is the best place to live - anywhere! I love it and therefore I care about it.

Nevertheless, I agree with Boswell and am happy that the city settled the lawsuit. I don't agree that everyone involved was perfect, but some things need to be put behind us and then we all need to move on to current and future issues - and you can bet there will be several. Logsdon is creating future problems, so let's not distract him by beating the same old horse - instead, let's look at what he does now that will jump up and bite us in 5 or 10 years.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 9:18pm.

Robert W.... many here think you're Lenox because of the way you've defended some of these corrupt players. Let me just say this for the record....It's not political for me. It's all about integrity in government.

I don't agree that everyone involved was perfect, but some things need to be put behind us and then we all need to move on to current and future issues - and you can bet there will be several.

R.W...... That's the part that angers me these days. No one wants to get confrontational so they just go on with the attitude that "yes, we know our leaders are corrupt. We don't like it a bit. We however expect corruption from our elected officials these days so why bother taking a stand and getting my life in a tizzy. Let's just move on and hope a miracle happens and these guys get one right".

Heck I'm sorry R.W.....but we need to deal with these corrupt politicians, lawyers, bankers, and developers just like we do terrorists. Every time they stick their lousy, corrupt, dirty, stinking, thieving, selfish, greedy, heads out of their holes we knock the freaking you know what out of them. Otherwise we're just enabling these economic terrorists.

Ok...perhaps deceiving was an overly severe word to use. I apologize (if you're really not Lenox Smiling ). I would just ask that instead of being an apologist for these gangsters and enabling their schemes that you would stand up and help fight against these bad guys. We've got to take a stand for our future.

Come join us Robert W.


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 12/14/2006 - 6:43am.

Ok, understand completely.
I am not Lenox, although I know him and like him now that he is citizen Lenox instead of the bull-in-a-china-shop mayor that he was. Even then he was amusing. He has told me he has never contributed to these blogs.

But to your point, sure corruption is bad. So is inept behavior by uneducated rookies. So is the constant drumbeat of baseless accusations about elected officials being bribed for their developer-friendly vote. Also bad are personal attacks, a newspaper editor who loves to stir the pot and second-guessing of every decision everyone makes by clueless amateurs. The real problem in all this is that no one qualified to lead wants to run for elected office. Single-issue candidates become crusaders in office and nothing good ever happens. Consensus people like Logsdon just want to get along with everybody - that's almost as bad.

I really don't think the business people and volunteers involved in some of the old stuff are "economic terrorists" or anywhere near that bad. The bank, the development authority members and even the elected officials were all just blundering their way through what they thought they should do. Group VI and Foley do price gouge a bit, but that's expected. When it comes to TDK - same thing - no real evil, only greed from Mitchell and Pathways - again perfectly understandable and completely in keeping with his character.

That being said, I'd rather move on to something new since the same old stuff is getting, well, really old.

It should also be noted that there are openings on planning commission and other boards in the city where one can volunteer his or her time to serve the city and make a difference. Better than just complaining. And yes, I have already done my share of volunteer work.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:28pm.

To the 1.6 Million Dollar settlement you speak of...I missed that part.

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 5:56am.

Yup….It’s $1.6 million. Look at the article from the AJC. The Banks and the crooks get $900,000 but we pay an additional $500,000 for interest, bond fees, lawyers and brokers. That puts you over $1.4. If you add in the more than two years we have paid lawyers and consultants, your drive out sticker price is $1.6. Read it and weep……And to top it off, the $60,000 contract to Group VI was another no-bid stocking stuffer for Jim Pace. Merry Christmas and Happy Days are here again with more no-bid contracts.

PEACHTREE CITY SETTLES 2 LAWSUITS
AJC 12/7/06

For legal reasons, funding of the settlement is convoluted.

The city will sell the amphitheater and tennis center to the development authority, which will issue revenue bonds through RBC Centura Bank to collect the $917,263 owed to the companies. The authority will give that money to the city so it can settle the debts.

The city will buy back the tennis center and amphitheater from the development authority by paying off the bonds over 10 years.

The payments will include $375,912 in interest and $132,736 in other expenses, thus increasing the city's actual cost to $1.426 million, said Ted Meeker, Peachtree City's attorney.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2006/12/06/1207fyxsettlement.html


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 9:00am.

I read the AJC article. It shows the total payout at 1.4 mill and change. Could have been much less if we had won a lawsuit, or much worse if we had lost it.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:34pm.

ptc.org. look at the settlement agreement. The priciple is 920 large, with the interest it comes in close to the 1.6 million. We are holding back 32,000 of it until the repairs are made to the tennis center.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:40pm.

I'll check out the total numbers.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:52pm.

the interest rate we are being charged. There are 142 pages, I gave up, but you know we are being charged interest.....guaranteed.

I don't mind paying for a city amenity.....I don't like the underhanded way this was handled. Even Harold said he thought the whole situation stinks at the special meeting. It was the first time I really liked anything he had to say.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:57pm.

I know they escalate somewhat, but I thought the numbers were set. Not sure why I think that. Oh well, it's late.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 11:01pm.

The payments I thought were set for at least 10 yrs. I think the interest rate was rolled into the payments. I'm not a lawyer or an accountant, I lost patience with the 142 pages. I think they were counting on all of us not being able to understand it.

Submitted by bladderq on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 9:53pm.

Why all the crying? Harold ran saying he was going to pay this. You all voted a ABB (that's: Anyone But Brown) ballot. I am not against paying something but I don't think we owed the full $1.6. I don't even think the Tennis Center is such a failure. What's wrong w/ a facility that could be world class? Let's have some tournaments and fill some hotel rooms and sell some restuarant meals.

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 12/15/2006 - 6:41am.

I had forgotten that, but Harold was very open about repaying the debt during his campaign. So, you are right, this should not be a surprise and it certainly isn't the end of the world like some are pretending it is. Business as usual.

I do hope the tennis center improves and it can with a little effort from management and support from the city.
meow


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