PTC traffic future: 28 to 60 times worse

Tue, 12/12/2006 - 5:02pm
By: John Munford

Hwy. 74 at TDK to be slammed by new McIntosh Village with 3000+ homes; no money to widen roads in Coweta

A 3,000-home city-sized development proposed for unincorporated Coweta County will significantly affect peak-hour traffic on Ga. Highway 74 in Peachtree City, according to figures from the developer-funded traffic study of the development’s impact.

To offset the new traffic, the developer has proposed a massive upsizing of the intersection of Hwy. 74 and Crosstown Road, since many residents of the proposed McIntosh Village will reach Hwy. 74 via the proposed extension of TDK Boulevard. Crosstown becomes TDK on the west side of Hwy. 74.

The traffic study, performed by the firm Street Smarts, shows the intersection of Hwy. 74 at TDK Boulevard and Crosstown Road will be significantly impacted by the following projections:

• Cars going south on Hwy. 74 and turning right onto TDK in the peak evening commute hour will jump from the existing count of 32 autos to 924 by the time McIntosh Village is completed;

• Morning peak-hour traffic going east on TDK and then north on Hwy. 74 will jump from 11 cars now to 670;

• Morning peak-hour traffic going north on Hwy. 74 straight through the intersection with Ga. Highway 54 will leap from the existing count of 541 to 1,128;

All those figures include projected traffic increases for the two already-approved large-scale developments, the Twin Lakes subdivision in Senoia and the Twelve Parks at Sharpsburg. But the lion’s share of the increases were chalked up to the McIntosh Village proposal.

The developer is proposing a number of additional turn lanes at the intersection of Hwy. 74, TDK and Crosstown so that at times during the signal cycle, two lanes of traffic will be turning at the same time, Borkowski indicated.

The McIntosh Village project also will feature some 600,000 square feet of stores, and that will significantly affect traffic on Saturdays too, Borkowski said.

The development has not yet been considered for approval by the Coweta County Commission.

McIntosh Village developer Tom Reese is proposing a significant resizing of the Hwy. 74 intersection with Crosstown Road including an additional “straight” lane in all four directions, and that is not planned in the ongoing project to widen Hwy. 74, said Peachtree City Engineer David Borkowski, making a presentation to the City Council last Thursday night.

The study is assuming that Ga. Highway 154 in Coweta will be widened to handle the brunt of traffic going from McIntosh Village to Interstate 85, Borkowski said. The problem is that there are no state funds earmarked to widen Hwy. 154 yet, Borkowski said.

“And that’s nowhere on the current transportation plan,” said City Attorney Ted Meeker.

Developer Tom Reese is projecting McIntosh Village to be completed in 2016.

Based on the figures in the traffic study, some council members questioned whether the proposed TDK extension could be four-laned. Mayor Harold Logsdon said that would not occur.

“TDK is going to be two lanes,” Logsdon said.

Council discussed the possibility of opposing the recommendations of the Georgia Regional Transportation Agency in terms of the needed improvements the McIntosh development would trigger, particularly on Hwy. 74. Those recommendations, released late Monday afternoon, were not available at the time of council’s discussion Thursday night.

Councilwoman Cyndi Plunkett said she thinks the city needs to fight GRTA on the matter. Proponents of such a plan argue that Peachtree City shouldn’t have to fund such improvements since it has no taxing authority over the Coweta-based McIntosh Village project, which would be built out in 2016.

“Are we willing to say, ‘No, we’re not going to do it, what are you going to do about it?’” asked Councilwoman Judi-ann Rutherford.

“Yes,” Plunkett replied.

Rutherford said the city needs to fight all aspects of the traffic improvements associated with the McIntosh Village project.

Councilman Steve Boone said GRTA backed down on the traffic improvements it sought in Peachtree City to compensate for another large development in Senoia: the Twin Lakes subdivision.

Council did not take a vote on the matter Thursday night.

The validity of the traffic study’s projections has much to do with various “assumptions” made by the firm that compiled the study, warned Borkowski.

“If his assumptions are incorrect, it blows this out of the water,” Borkowski said. “... He’s assuming that people will use a Coweta County road.”

Rutherford noted that the study doesn’t take into account the proposed 1,300-home annexation off Ga. Highway 74 and MacDuff Parkway that the city is expected to be considering for its fifth village.

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Spear Road Guy's picture
Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 11:05pm.

Disasterous traffic with TDK?? What a shocker!

The real question should be why are the idiots on the city council still going along with the mayor on building the road to disaster?

It doesn't take a raving genius to figure out we're gonna get our butts kicked on this one. The curtain is closing on Peachtree City.

What a stinking year this one has been.

Vote Republican


Submitted by loanarranger707 on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 8:40am.

What a ridiculous article!

It refers to cars going south on Hwy. 74 and turning left onto TDK. I have a map of Fayette County right in front of me, with a clear indication on the map that North is at the top, and it is clear that cars going south on Hwy. 74 turn RIGHT to get onto TDK (which is to the west). Of course, a right turn is a lot easier on traffic than a left turn.

The article also refers to a jump from 32 autos to 924 making that turn, and the caption refers to this as traffic being 28 times worse. (924 divided by 32 is 28.875.) What if there was now just one car making that turn (during whatever time period is involved)? Would traffic be 924 times worse?

The article refers to morning peak-hour traffic going west on TDK and then north on Hwy. 74. Again, with a map of Fayette County in front of me I can tell that traffic would not be going west on TDK, it would be going east. These are the drivers who would have to turn left. Here we're told 11 cars would mushroom into 670. Since 670 divided by 11 is 60.9, that must be the basis for the statement that traffic would be 60 times worse. But since 11 is not bad, how could anything else be worse? (The word "worse" means "more bad.")

I am personally familiar with the intersection of Hwy. 74 with TDK Boulevard (on the west) and Crosstown Road (as the same road is known on the east side). I know where North, South, West and East are. I checked the map so I could ascertain that a conscientious reporter not personally familiar with that intersection but who checks his facts would not come up with such ridiculous assertions.

This time, The Citizen rates an F.

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Submitted by John Munford on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 10:19am.

Yes, guilty as charged in the directional department. What you all don't know is that if my mom is reading this she is laughing hysterically.

In my own defense, what do you expect from a student who "learned" geography from the HS basketball coach in Kentucky?

Making this error even more egregious is the fact that I lived on the southside in PTC many years ago and plowed through this intersection more times than I care to count.

Thanks for the stinging dressing-down though. Good to see there are still some classy people out there.


Submitted by Old Goat on Wed, 12/13/2006 - 2:34am.

When I first arrived(over 20 years ago) I was told the population of PTC was going to be over 100,000. I believe the 100,000 was the original estimation of the population of PTC. That was later scaled back. Looks like things are about to change again.
baaaaaaa

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 8:06pm.

Ten years of building that many houses is the same as Peachtree City was building in the '80's and '90's.

So, again - So what? More traffic, more growth, more people. You all moved here during a growth period and hopefully you weren't stupid enough to deny or ignore future growth - so here it is again.

So, what do you want to do besides complain?? Seriously, what do you want to do???


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 9:33pm.

Sorry Bob....We moved here based upon a Comprehensive Plan. We made an investment based on fraudulent promises that the plan would be adhered to. Then folks like you and Pace and Logsdon have bastardized the Plan with annexation, big boxes and funding cities like East Coweta--- all of which was specifically prohibited by the Plan. So what do I want to do? Simply point out that you folks changed the deal. Real funny joke...


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:31pm.

Or maybe I'm wrong, fill me in. This is what I've always read about Peachtree City.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:40pm.

When I moved here 9yrs ago I was told the city would be closed to further development within the year(so buy now, hurry, fast, or you'll miss out) I was told they were at build out based on the original plan.

Until now, now that they want to add on more, now we are told that this new development was in the original city plan. I don't think we will ever get a straight answer.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:43pm.

I've lived here almost 3 years. The original plan called for well over double our current population. All in all, I think a fine job has been done by most. Is it perfect? No way, but I'll take it over most anywhere I've been in the Country. My Sister lives in Forsyth County, and talk about out of control, they have it in spades.

I should have moved here 25 years ago when I was just out of College.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 10:58pm.

I hope we can keep safe, and keep criminals out. Where can we find a copy of the original city plan? Just curious, doesn't matter it's a "done deal". I would kind of like to see it.

bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 8:57pm.

How about this county invest in some "alternative transportation" options.

How about lite rail, GRTA Express Busses.


Submitted by bladderq on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 9:18pm.

Maybe everyone will finally wake up and realize Atlanta IS a metropolitan CITY (or will be). Much like NYC & CHI-town it needs to develop infrastructure. Even Hampton will have a train station before PTC & Senoia. Why? Some of you need to get over your phobia of your TV's going North on the train while you are at work. The people of Park Ridge, IL fought long and hard against the CTA expanding to O'Hare airport for just this reason and when the line was finally built & openned; guess what, "they" already had all the Tv's "they" needed. Why ride mass transit when you can steal a car?
The point is that our state representatives need to put this on the agenda. With the closing of the Ford plant there is now plenty of rail capacity for passenger service.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 9:27pm.

I'm beginning to think you are right. I had always thought that 25 years from now we would be facing these issues. They are indeed here and now. Guess I had better resolve that in my mind. Still don't like it...LOL. I'm gonna miss my "country dark".


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 9:29pm.

Works wonders!


Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 9:43pm.

Same pellet gun used on cats.

Just kidding folks. I'm not going to shoot out street lights. But I will pick your cat off the hood of my King Ranch with one shot. Smiling


Submitted by bladderq on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 7:47pm.

How does a 2 lane TDK "Blvd" spread out to form a right turn lane (S), at least 1 thru lane (W) & 2 or more left turn lanes (N)?
They are going to have to use 154 because traffic will be backed up from 74 all the way back to Christopher RD in Sharpsburg.
TDK is going to be two lanes,” Logsdon said
A 2 lane road, HA, HA.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 8:01pm.

In addition to this, there is still no plan to fix the 74/I-85 interchange for another 15 years.

Even if all this traffic manages to get onto 74 north, it will have nowhere to go.

I wonder if "Da Maya" is still opposed to using the MacDuff Parkway as an alternate by-pass to Coweta?

HELLO TYRONE BYPASS!


bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 7:40pm.

You people couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag.

What do you think this is going to cost us?

You weren't willing to fight local developers and bankers over a $1.7 million dollar lie. Now you think you can fight a state sponsored agency.

Oh by the way, local developers and local bankers are going to be entrenched in this thing up to their eyeballs. Do you plan on kissing up them again?

Here comes that "TAX INCREASE" that wasn't going to happen.

Why don't you all just bend over or have us, the tax payers, bend over and take it again.

I was just starting to get used to it.


bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 5:58pm.

Some how "I told you so" just doesn't seem to cut it.


ptcgv's picture
Submitted by ptcgv on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 7:14pm.

You have been trying for months and seemed to be shot down by most of the people that don't actually commute to Atlanta daily.

I welcome them with open arms. They will give me an option of more than one bus OUT and one bus BACK.

At least I will be able to sleep, read, or talk while I am bottlenecked in the "parking lot" of 74.


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 12/12/2006 - 6:41pm.

You tried to warn us, but everyone here is too apathetic to listen.

Apparently everyone here loves rivercrimedale.

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