Jordan: Sheriff OK’d deputies’ game trip

Tue, 12/05/2006 - 4:50pm
By: John Munford

Former right-hand man says he was wrongly demoted, claims sheriff was told beforehand

Former chief sheriff’s detective Bruce Jordan said he used to look up to Fayette Sheriff Randall Johnson as a father figure.

But all that changed when Jordan was demoted three ranks by the sheriff Sept. 14 for what Jordan is calling a clerical mistake of someone else’s making. The demotion and subsequent 35 percent pay cut ultimately led Jordan to retire from the department two weeks ago.

In a lengthy interview Monday morning, Jordan told The Citizen that the memo which ultimately led to his demotion didn’t contain his initials as he had required for any memo referencing any action taken at his direction.

Jordan said the lack of his initials on that memo proves he didn’t authorize using drug funds to pay $827 in expenses for two detectives providing security in Tennessee for a local baseball team that previously had been threatened by another team playing in the tournament. The controversy, fueled by the fact that Jordan’s son played on the team, was reported initially by Fox5 news in an August report.

There was plenty of money in the sheriff’s travel account for the travel expenses, which is where the funds should have come from, Jordan said. To resolve the issue, Jordan wrote a personal check dated Aug. 8.

The unsigned July 18 memo to Lt. Col. Linda Jones from Capt. Michelle Walker directs the advance expense payment of $1,500 to come from the “U.S. Customs account” for one of the detectives; the detectives returned the remainder of the cash they didn’t use, Jordan said. All told, the trip cost $827.50 including the one hotel room the detectives shared for the four-day detail. The deputies received compensatory time off in lieu of pay, Jordan said.

The baseball team participated through the Fayette County Recreation Department, and Jordan insists the security was necessary. Similar security details were approved in the past at the sheriff’s department, including one for a local school chorus group that was staying in what was thought to be a less-than-squeaky-clean area of Savannah, Jordan said.

The detectives came in handy twice at the tournament, Jordan said, when the team in question, called the Georgia Reds, had two dangerous run-ins with a third team, on one occasion pulling out their bats after the game in a threatening manner. The Fayette detectives had to break up both incidents and diffuse the situation, Jordan said. The only presence from the local Tennessee police came after the second incident, Jordan indicated.

As for the security detail itself, Jordan said Sheriff Johnson approved the trip and he has evidence that Johnson was aware of the assignment. The two detectives spent four days providing security for the team in light of several threats the team made during ballgames, Jordan said.

Jordan claims the sheriff failed to follow the department’s own policies when he demoted Jordan three ranks to lieutenant and had the lieutenant colonel’s salary reduced by approximately 35 percent. Jordan contends the department’s policy manual outlines that no person can have their pay reduced by more than 10 percent, and the sheriff didn’t follow the department’s progressive discipline policy.

According to copies of the sheriff’s policy provided by Jordan, “The department advocates progressive discipline when applicable. The action taken will depend on the degree and the circumstances of the violation and shall be consistent with disciplinary action imposed on other employees disciplined in similar circumstances.”

The policy describes progressive discipline as “a process in which disciplinary action is taken in degrees of increasing severity.”

The department’s policy on a disciplinary salary reduction states that the reduction shall be capped at 10 percent. In Jordan’s case, he contends his pay was reduced by 35 percent.

“In 27 years [of working at the Sheriff’s Department] I had never been disciplined,” Jordan said. “This was the first time.”

Sheriff Johnson, who could not be interviewed in time for this story, has said previously that Jordan was demoted for violating department policies, though he would not specifically detail those violations. Before Jordan decided to retire, Johnson specifically noted that Jordan, who was being reassigned to the warrants division, would no longer have access to any of the drug seizure funds.

Jordan blames Johnson for waiting more than two months and never hearing Jordan’s appeal of the demotion and pay cut.

Jordan contends that he did not have carte blanche with the drug seizure accounts and that any improper expenditures would have been spotted by Lt. Col. Jones and thus brought to the sheriff’s attention.

As to the ongoing criminal investigation ordered up by Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard, Jordan said he thought the matter was so cut and dry that Ballard’s staff could have looked into it and determined there was nothing to investigate. Instead Ballard asked for a special prosecutor to conduct the investigation.

Jordan says he welcomes a criminal investigation, and the pep in his voice suggests he wants that criminal investigation to clear his name, or at least his legacy in law enforcement.

As to claims of excessive travel for Jordan and some detectives — some to Florida — during Jordan’s tenure that were cited in a forensic audit of the sheriff’s department ordered by the Fayette County Commission: Jordan said most of it was for additional training over and beyond what is provided by the state of Georgia and also in part related to the investigation of a 25-year-old murder case that netted a guilty plea from the suspect.

Some of that out-of-state training was conducted by the U.S. Justice Department to train sheriff’s officials how to handle drug seizure funds, Jordan noted.

Jordan received the highest award given by the sheriff’s office not once but twice: the most notable citation was for his work in reviving a long-cold murder case using DNA evidence that led to Carl Patton Jr., who pled guilty to the Fayette murder and the killings of four others. The other citation was for his service in coordinating the second largest cocaine and marijuana bust in the county’s history.

Jordan made detective in 1984 and took command of the Criminal Investigations Division (CID) in 1988. Part of the unit’s success with major crimes has been the fact that the detectives don’t give up and will work a case around the clock when necessary, Jordan said. In fact, Jordan said there’s only one open “unsolved” case out there from his tenure, and he feels confident that DNA evidence at the scene will ultimately solve that one, too. Because of the sensitive nature of that case, Jordan declined to discuss details.

Jordan said the events that transpired since his demotion, leading up to his retirement, weighed on him heavily at first. Part of the problem was that he couldn’t reconcile why he was punished so severely, he said.

“I didn’t really understand what was going on or what was going to happen,” he said.

Part of that is largely due to the close relationship Johnson and Jordan had forged through the years. By all accounts Jordan was the sheriff’s right-hand man in the department, having served 18 years as commander of the investigations department which in time became a high-profile position as the county transitioned from a rural to a suburban culture.

“For years Randall was kind of like a father to me,” Jordan said. “... I have never been anything but loyal to the sheriff. And everybody knows that.

“... The only reason I am doing this is my wife and her family and my family are insisting I tell my side of the story,” Jordan said.

Although he is clearly stung by his estrangement from the long-serving sheriff, Jordan said he isn’t getting into a name-calling contest. That is likely because of the possible civil suit Jordan may file against the department. Jordan admitted he doesn’t want people to write off his comments as “sour grapes.”

Jordan said though he doesn’t want his job back, he misses his friends at the sheriff’s department, who might find themselves in trouble with Johnson if they were ever seen associating with him. The department has, more or less, been a large chunk of his life and the only job he’s known.

Jordan has worked for the sheriff’s department since he was a teenager starting as a radio operator. A few months later, he was on a patrol beat.

Once considered the likely successor to Johnson as sheriff, Jordan now says he wants no part of that.

“If I didn’t have children that were school age, I’d consider it. ... My family is the most important thing to me.”

Despite all the good memories from his law enforcement career, Jordan said he no longer wants his old job back and he is content with moving on to the private sector, out of the public eye.

“I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders,” Jordan said Monday.

“The blessing in disguise is the amount of stress that has been relieved of me. I always felt responsible for everything that happened in Fayette County,” Jordan said, noting that he was the “decision maker” for major crimes such as hostage situations, murder and the like. It was routine to get several night-time phone calls each week with such difficult decisions at the forefront.

Another thing he won’t miss?

“Having everything I do be reported in the newspaper every week,” Jordan said.

Bruce Jordan’s letter to the editor follows:

Up until now I have been ordered not to speak or tell my side of what happened that led to multiple demotions and a $35,000 pay cut for me. I don’t expect to change many minds but it’s important to my family that I tell my side of the story. While I was forbidden to speak, members of the Sheriff’s Department have spoken many times about it and the stories have become very slanted.

The baseball story

The Fayette County bulldogs won the county championship for the 13/14-year-old league at Kiwanis Field. They were a county recreation team and my son was on that team. If he hadn’t been, this probably would not be an issue.

The team had advanced to the State Championship playoffs which, as it happens, was played here in Fayette County at Whitewater High School. The Bulldogs had advanced to the game which would determine who would be the state champions. We were waiting to see who we would play for that championship.

The night before the championship I received a call from a parent on our team who was concerned about the team we would be playing the following night. She described them as a very rough team who had been causing trouble. She asked if we could have some deputies hang around during some of the game. This was easy to do because the school resource officers were out for the summer and spending their days assisting detectives. I called the SRO supervisor and asked them to have two of his deputies work evening shift and hang around Whitewater High School.

I learned the night of the state championship this team, which was out of Riverdale, was a very rough, roguish team, who liked to portray themselves as “gang bangers” before and after the game.

During the game they weren’t much better. The only difference was the umpires made them tuck their shirts in and button them but their language and antics were the same on the field. I’ve never seen an AABC baseball team conduct themselves the way this team did.

The Fayette Bulldogs beat them badly, 19-3. They were not happy about it and towards the end of the game the first base coach said to a runner on base: “That’s okay, when they get to Tennessee they ain’t gone have these cops with ‘em and we’ll show ‘em who they been messing with.” After the game I heard many threats and obscenities being yelled across the ballfield and in the parking lot.

The Riverdale team had placed second in the state behind the Bulldogs and were going to move on to Tennessee for the Southeast regionals along with us.

When I told the detectives I work with what had happened, many of them volunteered to go with the team to Tennessee. Some of the parents on the Bulldogs expressed concern about the trouble the team might encounter with this team in Tennessee.

The coach went so far as to book our hotel 30 miles away from the games so that we would not find ourselves in the same motel with this team. I told the coach that several deputies volunteered to go to Tennessee to protect the Fayette County families. I told him that, if the sheriff approved it, it might be possible to have them go along.

When I spoke to the sheriff about the situation he was initially apprehensive about letting them go. He eventually agreed and stated, “You’ll probably need them up there with that Clayton County bunch. They’ll probably all be carrying 9-millimeters.” His only other instruction to me was: “Don’t pay them anything extra for going up there.”

We had sent deputies with youth groups to Washington, D.C., Savannah and other places when requested to keep Fayette County kids safe on trips. This being the county’s recreational league team, I didn’t see this as being much different than that. The difference, as I realize now, is that my son was on this team and that made the presence of those detectives appear improper.

I went back to my office and told my detectives I could take two to Tennessee but they could not be paid overtime for the trip. Two detectives volunteered to go with us.

One of them asked to draw advanced travel funds for meal and lodging so that they would not have to pay the expenses out of their pocket. I told him yes but also told him to tell Capt. (Michelle) Walker that those expenses would be reimbursed either by the baseball association or the team.

Without my knowledge a memo was issued requesting money from the Customs federal drug seizure account to pay for that advance travel. I have no idea why that was done. We were in the beginning of our budget year and our travel budget should have had ample funds for this travel advance.

The first I learned the drug money had been used for the deputies’ travel expenses was shortly after we returned from the trip when Channel 5 news began calling about how the expenses had been paid. That was when I first learned the drug money had been used.

When I request money from any of the federal accounts it requires my initials in the top left hand corner of the memo. Not only does the memo that requested those funds not contain my initials, my name is nowhere on the memo.

The check that was issued as a result of that memo does not contain my initials, signature or any type authorization from me that the money be issued from the drug money.

Whoever called Channel 5 News knew before I did that the money had been taken from the federal account. The memo did, however, state that the money was to be reimbursed by the baseball team.

Without any conversation between me and the sheriff on the matter, the sheriff called me in and demoted me three ranks and cut my pay an unprecedented 35 percent.

There is a reason that the 35 percent pay cut is unprecedented: It is in direct conflict with the sheriff’s written policy in the standard operations procedure manual.

In this policy and procedures manual, Chapter 6, Section 3, Paragraph 10 states: “An employee’s salary may be reduced from one pay step to a lower pay step for disciplinary purposes. The salary reduction does not constitute a demotion in pay grade. The salary reduction shall not be more than 10 percent of the employee’s salary at the time of the reduction.”

That same section addresses the need for progressive discipline. I spent 27 years with the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and never received one single disciplinary action until this.

The fact that my salary reduction was completely in conflict with our departmental policy, and that I had no knowledge that the drug money check had ever been cut, were my main bases for appeal.

The sheriff refused to ever hear my appeal, which is also in conflict with our S.O.P. I’ve read various press reports on reasons the appeal has never been heard; “I’ve been out of town,” was one. The most confusing excuse I’ve read was “in light of the demotion” he hasn’t seen the need. The demotion is what I was appealing.

I know now that the sheriff knows I was not aware of a check being cut from the federal account because I know he had his attorney investigate the matter. That attorney was told by employees involved that I knew nothing about the memo being issued which caused the check to be cut or the fact that the check was ever cut.

The trips

About 75 percent of the trips listed in The Fayette Citizen were training and seminar trips. Once you have been in law enforcement more than 10 years you have had pretty much all of the training Georgia has to offer.

For over a decade we have used the federal drug seizure money to finance advanced training for our deputies out of state. The U.S. Department of Justice was fully aware of this.

Many of the trips were to enjoyable places. Anyone who ever attended a seminar or training conferences out of state knows the people that put these sessions on have them in attractive places to draw more attendees.

The other 25 percent of the trips were trips involving investigations, which is why my name appears very often on the list. The Carl Patton Jr. murders caused me to travel several times trying to find witnesses from 25 years ago. I also had to travel on the Charlie Mask murder.

Using the drug forfeiture fund for advanced training and to finance major investigations is a program that has gone on for around 12 years. The sheriff has always known that is one of the ways we used those funds.

The audit report that he signed every year contained the dollar amount being spent on training and he usually noticed if someone was gone for more than a couple of days and would ask where they were. To suggest that program went went on that long without his knowledge would be a very sad notion.

Special prosecutor

I look forward to someone from the outside coming in and looking at what has happened here. Unless people start changing their stories, I’m hoping he will get to the truth.

You have to admit it is a little ironic that our district attorney will drive all the way across the state to keep a child molester out of jail but will appoint a special prosecutor to look into my sending two deputies to protect 12 Fayette County families who had been threatened.

I suspect I became a political pawn who was sacrificed so the sheriff could smooth things over with the (county) commissioners. I gathered that from recent comments made by the sheriff in the paper.

There may be many people that agree with the sheriff “getting me out of the way,” but you have to consider that it sends a dangerous precedent to ignore your own departmental written policies in the name of politics.

Bloggers

Blog away. I quit reading them as soon as this went down because it was bad for my mental well-being. I’ve now convinced my daughter who is away at college to stop reading them as well. My sister still reads them to print certain things out for my attorney. She rarely tells me what is on there.

From what I’ve been told about half of them are disgruntled employees whom I’ve had to demote or transfer during the more than 20 years being the boss in a very volatile profession.

I take pride in the work that I’ve done for Fayette County over the past 27 years. I also take pride in the fact that I pursued law enforcement aggressively, took on those major cases and avoided never receiving a disciplinary action until this incident came along.

It was an incident for which I reimbursed the county as soon as I learned funds had been taken from the wrong account, and from which I received no personal benefit.

Bruce Jordan
Fayetteville, Ga.

Former Lt. Col. Jordan retired last month from the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department after 27 years’ service.

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Submitted by abeautifulday4us on Fri, 12/08/2006 - 3:19pm.

Bruce Jordan says :

“ You have to admit it is a little ironic that our district attorney will drive all the way across the state to keep a child molester out of jail but will appoint a special prosecutor to look into my sending two deputies to protect 12 Fayette County families who had been threatened. “

What happened ?


Submitted by Fayetteresident on Fri, 12/08/2006 - 3:42pm.

Our D.A. did the right thing. If he had taken the case, Bruce would have cried that the D.A. could not be impartial. That would have been a "no win" situation. This way, once the investigation is complete and Bruce has been prosecuted, Bruce will not be able to cry "foul" again!

Submitted by Fayetteresident on Fri, 12/08/2006 - 3:04pm.

"Jordan says he welcomes a criminal investigation, and the pep in his voice suggests he wants that criminal investigation to clear his name, or at least his legacy in law enforcement."

Just two comments:

1) Bruce's "Law Enforcement Legacy" exists only in his mind.

2) Bruce, be careful what you wish for...

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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 12/07/2006 - 10:20am.

There are two sides to every story. I believe everyone should remember that.

I don't know you, but I have all of your books. You autographed the first one. You were signing them in the old bookstore behind Waffle House in Fayetteville. I wish that bookstore was still there!!

I remember Celestine Sibley thought highly of you.

Merry Christmas!


Submitted by lawaboveall on Thu, 12/07/2006 - 11:09am.

I am not sure how Celestine Sibley worked her way into this thread. The fact that Jordan is an author is relevant only to the extent that he is alleged to have done much of the writing and directed others to do the research on county time.

That being said, Richard is right. There are two sides here and Johnson managed conceal the darker side until he engineered the election of two of his dupes to the county commission. Now all the campaign rhetoric about how the sheriff's office operations were above reproach and those mean old commissioners were on a witch hunt rings very hollow. There has been a smoke screen generated by the sheriff to cover-up an operation that is at best, shabbily managed, and at worst, rampant with misuse and malfeasance.

Before Randall starts quoting the forensic audit, remember that the report said that they found no "smoking gun" (although there are guns unaccounted for and others purchased without justification) because (paraphrase here) the records were so muddle and the processes so loose that they could not tell how much of the funds were spent. That is not an endorsement of good stewardship of our tax dollars.
No accountability for drug funds, ill spent training funds, promotions granted to members of the inner circle while competent law enforcement personnel who dare to disagree are banished to the airport, and use of county resources at the whim of the command structure is the other side of this story.

Jordan is gone, and now it is Johnson's turn. Retire Randall before you legacy is tarnished beyond repair.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 12/07/2006 - 11:24am.

There are two sides here and Johnson managed conceal the darker side until he engineered the election of two of his dupes to the county commission.

Another brilliant, angry rant from the sore loser. It's amazing that we can go for multiple weeks without hearing from you and then all a sudden Bruce's name is mentioned and it conjures up anger and bitterness in you, Snitch, Jones and one or two others from the I can't believe nor accept we actually lost crowd. You remind me of Al Gore, John Kerry and the rest of their followers.

You give way too much credit to Johnson for engineering Maxwell and Smith's stunning victory. Why don't you give credit to where the "real credit" is due? Like crediting the voters of Fayette County for your team's defeat.

Now shut up and quit whining like a Democrat after an election day. (Except this last one when they deservedly kicked some Republican rumps).


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:24am.

I've read with great interest the story line regarding Bruce Jordon's demise. I've refrained from forming any opinions other than in a generic sence. I do have many, many questions.

I question the deputies going to Tennessee on tax payers dollars to protect private citizens involved in a private recreation. This was not a public educational outing. This was a private matter using public monies. Regardless of whether anyone would be reiumbursed by the baseball association, no money should have been paid out. Then again, if this allocation of deputies to private groups was S.O.P. then it might be another matter. If say, a local church or boy scout group etc. were traveling anywhere out of State and the Sheriff had as a rule permitted paid deputies to attend, then I'd suggest the policy was wrong, but Bruce was only following the policy. Otherwise, to suggest or infer that only in the unique situation where a team in which his own son plays is given this extra treatment, as being only coincidental, is plain silly.

Having said the above, and with no consideration of whether any criminal act was committed, I would say that if what Bruce says is true, i.e. the pay reduction of 35% is outside of the rules, then he may have well have an argument to support his appeal. Regardless of what you might know privately about Bruce, for I know nothing, his record of 27 years without any disciplinary action should merit some consideration. To summarily demote and reduce pay by such an amount and to do so outside of the department regulations seems very harsh and unfair. Since Bruce was paid by tax payer dollars then he was entitled to due process, the right to be told of what he is being disciplined for, and the right to be heard. (I certainly hope that he appreciates this right a bit more in light of the many years in which he apprenhended criminals who also shared this same right.)

Again, there are two sides to every story. Bruce has shared his version, and I'm sure there are many other versions that might challenge his and the sheriffs, but on its face, it seems an employee of 27 years deserves some benefit of the doubt before punishment is meted out.


Submitted by swmbo on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:57pm.

Give Bruce his due process. I have never heard anyone suggest that he shouldn't be given his appeal hearing. That's only fair.

But, again, there are legitimate questions that could support (or undermine) his position on the specific behavior that preceded the discipline. My one question was not to accuse him of anything; I just wonder if there is any corroboration of the alleged threat. There may be other questions that come from the response to my one question. I haven't taken a particular "side" and I have no egotistical or personal investment in the outcome of this situation (I don't know any of the people involved). But, for me, that one question is the lynch pin.

Oh, and I, too, wonder about the use of public funds for what appears to be, by all accounts, a private purpose.

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Submitted by G35 Dude on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:52am.

I have to agree. If the man has been in law enforcement for 27 years with no disciplinary action and he finally misused around $800, then I also think that the punishment was way too harsh and probably politicaly motivated. Take his reembersment check and put a warning in his file and move on.


Submitted by taz987456 on Tue, 12/05/2006 - 11:59pm.

It is so sad to see people take shots at someone from the shadows. I had no idea there were so many cowards in this county. There is not a single one of you who want to spout some crap behind a screen name that has done ANYTHING positive for this county! You choose to sit and judge, when you don't have all the facts, those who would step out and try to make a difference in their community. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU HAVE BENEFITTED FROM THIS MANS SERVICE!! SHOW SOME RESPECT, whether he was right or wrong, he deserves that!! We may never know all the facts in this case, but the fact is this man has served this community and served it well. Whether you liked him or not is not an issue! Who cares about your opinions, you are not even brave enough to make yourself known, much less stand up to criminals in this community who would threaten your comfortable way of life! You keep on bashing those who have served you well and you just may find yourself HAVING to own a gun to protect yourself because you will have run off all the decent people who would have served but didn't want to deal with the damage to their families that this stupid nonsense can do. After all..that is your intention, to hurt people...even kids! Not only do some of you have no class, you have no manners and no compassion. I don't know any of these people involved in this situation, but good Lord folks just shut up with all the trash talking!!!!!!!! Or put your name on your posts and have a tiny bit of courage!!!! Yea, yea, come on and bash my post! HAHAHA I don't care, but leave this family alone! Do you have kids? Do you not realize that you could find yourself in a set of circumstances and this same thing could happen to you? I mean do you honestly believe that if your life was put in the papers that your kids wouldn't be dealing with the harshness of the ignorant and those just looking for an excuse to try to make someone else as miserable as they are. Anyone can take something that seems innocent and blow it out of proportion for political reasons. How long have you lived in this county that you don't know that it happens here. You make the wrong person mad, something gets misrepresented and YOU have been stabbed in the back and they try to ruin your reputation. And yes it happens to a lot of people in this community, its just this one was high profile. Don't fool yourself into believing that this sort of thing doesn't happen here, it does! So, show a little compassion...have your suspicions and opinions... watch and see what happens, but please for goodness sake, have a bit of human compassion. If he is wrong he has suffered, if he is not, then this is horribly wrong. Either way, you are not the judge, because none of those bashers have proven themselves worthy of that position.

Submitted by swmbo on Tue, 12/05/2006 - 9:37pm.

Now, I'm not trying to be ugly but I have had a question from the first day I heard anything about the local game. Did anyone else -- at the time of the alleged threats -- report hearing them? I'm not saying anyone is being untruthful; I'm trying to figure out if this is just a tempest in a teapot or a real lapse in judgement. It is fairly reasonable to corroborate the threats (preferably through someone not related to the FCSO) in order to validate the legitimacy of the need for protection in TN. Otherwise, all I have heard is allegations without supporting evidence.

Again, I'm just posing a legitimate question.

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Submitted by tortugaocho on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 9:03am.

(1)Why not let the tournament organizers provide you with assurances of safety?

(2) Why did they not tell the Tennessee law enforcement (they did not) and let the Tennessee taxpayers pay for protection?

(3) If there is a real threat, why not teach your son to either (a) face the threat with courage [and without an armed guard] or (b) walk away from a fight and not go ?

(4) Does it make any difference if the Fayette armed guard was paid with Federal Tax money or County tax money (because it is still tax money and still inappropriate) ?

(5) A few of us Fayette county citizens would like a ride home from the Falcons game---- can you accomodate us? We might be drinking...errr...we heard some threats and we would feel safer if came and got us and brought us home ?

(6) Who else and when have others gotten free rides, free escorts and free cars?


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Submitted by G35 Dude on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:39am.

tortugaocho,

Your first 2 questions have some legitimacy, but after that you really go off the deep end. As for Question #3, I’d love to know which option you’d choose for your son in this situation.


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Submitted by tortugaocho on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 11:12am.

You want me to answer my own question !!! Glad to do it....

3) If there is a real threat, why not teach your son to either (a) face the threat with courage [and without an armed guard] or (b) walk away from a fight and not go ?

What a coincidence....My wife and I discussed this.

My wife’s response: She would investigate to see if the threat was real. If there was a real threat, then that is not an activity she would let our son participate in. We teach him to avoid trouble; stay away from bad kids and do the right thing. If this particular team, league or tournament is so out of control she would have him join another league. There are plenty of travel teams and when you consider the expense, we are not also willing to compromise important life lessons. Avoid trouble. If we can’t trust those coaches to guarantee a safe environment, that team is not worthy of our time and money. If this was not a true threat, my wife would probably want him to learn to endure the taunts and the poor sportsmanship because life if full of that.

My response: I will take a week of vacation time, sit right on the fence and just wait for something to happen. I won’t need an armed deputy to take care of the problem. I would personally make that night the night they remember playing Fayette County.


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Submitted by G35 Dude on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 11:20am.

I don’t like the wife’s response cause that’s what the thugs are hoping you do. That way they win. Personally I’d probably do the same as you. But many would de-cry that as being a vigilante. And I do have a permit to carry BTW.


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Submitted by tortugaocho on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 11:22am.

Simple rule--- draw a circle around your family. Any who enters the circle does so at their own peril.

I hate to admit it....I think my wife's response is the one Mama would insist upon, too, meaning you and I are wrong.


Submitted by trailwatcher on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:34am.

Maybe another interview with some of the current / past members of the F.C.S.D. would reveal a different side to this story.This is just the tip of the iceburg.Bruce has retired and hopefully will write another book --he does that well.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/05/2006 - 6:02pm.

Question, did this interview come about at the request from the Citizen to interview Mr. Jordon or from a request from Mr. Jordon to be interviewed by the Citizen?


Submitted by Flydecajon on Tue, 12/05/2006 - 9:15pm.

Peachtree City jewelers was robbed the other day and it was not reported. This is the second time this place has been robbed what's up? We need the police to crack down or just keep all the doors locked in that place first the ring and second who knows what. I am scared I may be robbed going or coming from that place now.

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Submitted by ftp on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:41am.

There were a few more stores robbed last week not reported. One in particular was big. Maybe they should shift their focus to controlling actual crimes, rather than having 40 patrol cars out looking for minor traffic violations and golf cart violations. Just a thought.


Submitted by IMNSHO on Thu, 12/07/2006 - 12:35am.

What stores were robbed? You seem to have the inside scoop, so please share. Because I am telling you, I checked the law enforcement records, and am not seeing anything like what you're talking about. So unless these stores are not reporting the robberies to the POLICE...

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Submitted by ftp on Thu, 12/07/2006 - 10:59am.

Wireless Toys was hit for $20K + a few nights back.
T-Mobile Store hit for a large amount too

My source mentioned a few more that I do not recall nor care about. I guess they are just not making it to the blotter then.


Submitted by Flydecajon on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 12:39pm.

I just do not know why they are not reported I guess the jewelry store does not want anymore negative publicity. I may be a target if I shop there who knows I would not buy something expensive and risk having someone follow me and bust me over the head for the gift I bought for my Husband. First a 30K ring and how who knows what because it was never reported. I agree with you on the 40 patrol cars and there pickings to pull someone over without using a signal. Maybe they just do not want to confront the real criminals? Heck I do not know; however there should be more of a presence at the pavilion.

Heck maybe we need Bruce Jordan back he would go after anyone!!

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Submitted by ftp on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:41am.

sorry, double post


Submitted by tsk tsk on Tue, 12/05/2006 - 8:54pm.

in every class who was always raising his hand to ask some question tangentially related to the subject at hand - apparently just for the joy of being recognized by the teacher? Well, one of those kids grew up to be bad_ptc. Smiling

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 9:57am.

Whats the matter, you didn't like my question?


Submitted by tsk tsk on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 10:16am.

I neither liked nor disliked your question. My point is that you have no point. The gratuitous pounding of the reporters comes across as an effort to not get lost in the crowd. We see you.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 11:37am.

I had informed John, in a private email, that when he started asking questions I would acknowledge his efforts.

As you were not a participant in the email exchange between John and I you have no idea what your are talking about.

Seems to be no shortage of your kind here.

You just feel the need to comment on something you don't have a clue about just so you can be seen.

Please get a life and stop commenting on things you are ignorant of.


Submitted by tsk tsk on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 11:52am.

I had informed John, in a private email, that when he started asking questions I would acknowledge his efforts.

Ah, I see. You're attempting to publicly whip them into shape and establish dominance. I hope John ignored you, but he may be too polite.

I dare you to write to Cal and say the same. Do it. Be a man. (hee)

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 1:18pm.

tsk acting like the class clown doesn't cut it.

Your homework

P.S. John has always been polite to me and others. No problem there.


Submitted by tsk tsk on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 2:03pm.

That link is exactly what I was talking about.

I can't believe you took this as an invitation to critique his work, you oblivious goof:


Tell ya what bad...
Submitted by John Munford on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:40am.

Why don't you give me a call if you have some inside info if you think it's so easy. Phone 770-719-1880.

If you think I'm holding any details back for any reason, you are sadly mistaken. But if you've got a good tip for me I'm all ears.

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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 2:54pm.

What IS your problem? I picture you sitting in front of your monitor shaking your head like a horizontal Bobblehead doll!

When you have compiled as much in-depth research on a multitude of subjects as bad_ptc has, and shared it with all of us, maybe we will listen to you.

In case you haven’t noticed, it has only bothered you – heck it didn’t even bother Mr. Munford.

Go dig up another dead horse. We are tired of your ramblings!


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:24pm.

When you copied part of John's post you didn't get the "close cite" tag.


Submitted by tsk tsk on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:02pm.

When you have compiled as much in-depth research on a multitude of subjects as bad_ptc has, and shared it with all of us, maybe we will listen to you.

lol

Yeah, ask him about an ETA on that bus line. That was his last extensive research project.

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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:19pm.

Let’s see. You have buried the dead horse, dug it up and skinned it. Buried it again and dug it up and cut it up in pieces. Buried yet another time and dug it up again and made hamburger out of it. Buried it again, dug it up and boiled the bones. Is it glue yet?????


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:28pm.

Yeah, ask him about an ETA on that bus line. That was his last extensive research project.

Where have you been Tsk. Talk about out of touch. If you haven't been keeping up with what's been happening here since the elections then why don't you do some research before opening your fly hole. Just shut up and get caught up or do everyone here a favor and just fade away.

Gee...Tsk is so "not worth it". Why do we even bother?


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 2:46pm.

You "dared" me to send it to Cal and when I showed you that I already had, you cry.

As I told you earlier, you were NOT privy, to prier emails and discussions and have no idea what you are babbling about.

What do you think you are, John's body guard?

Maybe your just a groupie.

If he needs any help, maybe he'll post an ad for your services.


Submitted by tsk tsk on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:04pm.

You "dared" me to send it to Cal and when I showed you that I already had, you cry.

Take your Ritalin and show me where that link has you sending anything to Cal. I see his name in the header - is that the brave act?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 6:24pm.

Yo stupid, yes you tsk tsk.

As for your thinking Cal might not see what I post.

Click here and then go and see what the latest poll on the Citizen is about.

Cal and John may not like me, but sometimes they do listen and they both read.

Do you even know the differance between a post and a blog?

I don't do drugs, I perfer "Makers Mark" or "Cabo Wabo".

Drugs do people like you.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 1:34pm.

Hey Dweeb,

You're Fired

Now shut up and git the hell out of here.


Submitted by tsk tsk on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 2:00pm.

You don't work for this one.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 2:12pm.

That Cal might start paying me again to keep folks like you straight?

Next time close your emphasis please.


Submitted by tsk tsk on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:17pm.

I didn't know you needed to be paid.

Next time close your emphasis please.

What emphasis would that be?

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:32pm.

That you've screwed this thread up by not closing your EM in an earlier post.

Don't need to be paid. Just want to be. I'm lobbying to get my admin moderator job back. I got laid off after the election. I like having the ability to block totally useless and out of touch bloggers.


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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:21pm.

The wrath of The Might Lion - he has a great hunger for stupid people.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:33pm.

Why are you always trying to git me into a fight? You've already got Bad PTC after me.


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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:40pm.

I was trying to stick up for you. When you told that idiot to turn off "empahsis" and he didn't know what it was, I knew you'd G-r-r-r-r him with that.

How 'bout all the work bad did on the $1,000,000 fiasco?

He's being triple teamed now - maybe he'll go away.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:51pm.

And nope. I think you like tossing me out into the middle of cat fights. Smiling


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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 3:54pm.

I'll never ask you to stir up enthusiasm again. My mistake. Mea Culpa Mea Culpa Mea Culpa

Okay - am I forgiven now?


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 12/06/2006 - 2:29pm.

to get paid for blogging all day! Now there's a job!


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