Mayor says no tax increase expected from $920K lawsuit settlement

Tue, 11/28/2006 - 4:40pm
By: John Munford

Peachtree City Mayor Harold Logsdon is confident the City Council will take a vote at 6:30 tonight to settle two lawsuits over monies owed by the city’s development authority for tennis center improvements by paying $920,407 to a bank and two contractors.

Logsdon said he didn’t think the proposed settlement, which would be financed through a 10-year bond, would require a property tax increase, but that must be hashed out in the annual budget process, he noted.

“The bond payment isn’t going to be that great,” Logsdon said. “I do not see a tax increase in the immediate future for this.” The city does face some tough budget-related decisions in the future, however, he added.

The Development Authority of Peachtree City will meet at 6 p.m. to consider the settlements followed by a 6:30 meeting of the City Council, which will also consider the settlements. The authority will meet downstairs in the Floy Farr room of the Peachtree City Library while Council will meet in City Hall.

Under one of the settlement agreements, the city would pay Peachtree National Bank $714,000 instead of the $1.5 million sought by the bank in its suit. In another proposed agreement, the city would pay Foley and Group VI $206,407 of the $228,000 balance those companies sought in its suit. All told, both lawsuits were seeking $1.72 million in compensation.

A third contract that’s part of the settlement agreements would require the city to pay $54,588 for Group VI and Foley to construct the grading and drainage improvements at the tennis center, which has flooded several times during rainstorms. But part of the agreement allows the city to withhold $32,605 of the $206,407 due Foley and Group VI from the settlement, pending completion of the drainage and grading improvements.

The settlement agreements were released Wednesday afternoon on the city’s Web site and in a press release to the media.

The $920,407 settlement would eventually be paid out of the city’s treasury by means of a complicated revenue bond issue and lease-back arrangement with the city’s Development Authority, officials said. The initial yearly payment on the bond would start at $75,000 in 2008 and increase to a high of $135,000 in the final year, 2017.

The terms of the settlement have been approved by Peachtree National Bank, Group VI and Foley Design Associates, Logsdon said.

Council has been kept abreast of the negotiations in executive (closed) session under an exception in Georgia law that allows meetings to be closed to the public if they involve active litigation. But Logsdon said the settlement agreements were published Wednesday in an effort to notify the public before council took a vote even though the city could likely have kept the settlement under wraps until the moment it was approved.

“We wanted to do everything in a public forum,” Logsdon said. “We are not doing some kind of back-room deal.”

Logsdon said the city did a lot of research to determine the actual costs of the projects involved. “If we can see it, feel it, touch it, then we know we owe that money,” he said.

Logsdon said he approached the issue to determine what was “the right thing to do without getting to the courtroom.”

“It’s just a chapter in the life of the city that we need to get behind us,” Logsdon said. “... The whole thing gave a negative image to the community.”

The pending lawsuits did not hurt the city’s ability to borrow money nor its bond rating or interest rates on financing, Logsdon said. Logsdon said he assumed that Peachtree National Bank is “assuming some business risk” by accepting the settlement in lieu of the full amount owed on the loan.

One of the benefits of the settlement agreements, Logsdon said, is that it will lead to repairs of the stormwater drainage system at the tennis center, which has been blamed for flooding the bottom floor of the center on several occasions.

The $1.5 million Peachtree National sought in the lawsuit included roughly $1 million that was financed for the expansion of the tennis center, plus another $200,000 loan that was initially made to DAPC by Regions Bank for finishing out the restaurant and the bottom floor of the tennis center, and interest. Peachtree National Bank acquired the Regions loan after Regions sought to acquire the authority’s assets to pay off the loan.

The $228,000 owed Group VI and Foley Design Associates stems from the change orders on the project, which former mayor Steve Brown said were never approved by Council. Those change orders were signed for by former DAPC executive director Virgil Christian, who resigned shortly after the DAPC relinquished facility operation back to the city.

The change orders involved finishing up the ground floor space in the tennis center clubhouse which later housed college classes offered by Clayton State University.

Finishing the ground floor cost $54,000, while other items included changes to clubhouse lighting ($52,000), landscaping and irrigation design and installation ($21,000), and paving of the south parking area behind the indoor courts ($12,000).

The expanded facility opened in spring 2003. Later that year, the authority relinquished operation of the tennis center and amphitheater back to the city, which owns both facilities. When that occurred, the city stopped making monthly $180,000 hotel-motel tax payments to the authority which previously were used to pay the monthly financing owed to the bank. Without those payments, the authority had no other funds to pay the debt, authority officials have said.

Although the city later created a tourism association to run both facilities, that entity did not resume making the payments to the bank. Also left hanging in the air were the outstanding bills owed to Group VI and Foley Design Associates for the tennis center expansion.

The bottom floor of the tennis center has flooded several times during periods of heavy rain, and city officials have said the drainage system installed when the expansion was built was inadequate. Last month, the city filed a counterclaim against Group VI and Foley Design Associates in reference to the drainage problem.

Court officials recently put attorneys on notice that the trial on the matter would be held sometime in January.

The Citizen reported back in April that attorneys indicated in court filings they were working toward a possible settlement in the case. Logsdon said during his 2005 campaign that he hoped to settle the case.

Because the DAPC and the tourism association were named with the city as defendants in the suit, each entity has had its own legal counsel on the case.

As the lawsuit has dragged on in the pre-trial phase, the city has argued that the Development Authority of Peachtree City is a separate and legal entity from the city government itself, and thus the city should not be held liable for its debts.

The crux of the city’s argument is that the city did not authorize the DAPC to seek loans for the expansion, although the expansion of the tennis center was discussed at several City Council meetings before the loans were executed.

Bank attorneys have argued in filings that the City Council sanctioned the loans made by the development authority, and the tourism association is the “alter ego and successor” to the authority ... thus all are responsible for paying the authority’s loan obligations.

Logsdon said the pending settlement is for the lawsuits only and does not encompass money owed by the DAPC to other creditors who still have outstanding bills.

Logsdon said since the news broke Wednesday of the impending settlement, no citizen has broached a conversation with him about the matter. Anxious to get some feedback, he spoke with several people who were nonchalant about the issue, he said.

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Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 7:57pm.

It was short and painful. I'm not sure why they bothered to even have a meeting. At least the citizens were given time to make comments and ask questions.

One of the problems I have with this new agreement is we are still using the group of dumb and dumber to fix something that should have been done right the first time. This group has already demonstrated that they are rumsfeldish in their incompetence. They couldn't build a tree house and do it right if we let the eagle scouts do it for them. The other problem I have is, there still is no talk of how we will pay for this. Just tell us now how much our taxes will be raised and get it over with. Don't insult our intelligence by telling us it won't happen.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 10:09pm.

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws."
- Plato (427-347 B.C.)

“To ignore evil is to become an accomplice to it.”
- Martin Luther King, Jr.

The Mayor and Council are essentially asking the taxpayers to payoff the illegal debts of a seperate governmental entity (a development authority). I cannot say it any better than the article below:

"It's a scandal.

Attention, Fayette District Attorney Bill McBroom and Fayette State Court Solicitor Steve Harris: You two have some work to do in Peachtree City.

Public employees running the cash register for a private for-profit business.

Public money being mixed willy-nilly with private sales, and no accounting at all of what belong to which. Tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of dollars are involved here.

A for-profit monopoly retail business operating rent-free in an expensive city-owned facility. (What a sweetheart deal. Does the city have any rent-free space it can let me use? I can make good use of it.)

Who owns this business, and who gets the benefits of the sales? Is it the publicly-paid executive director of a local government entity that runs the city-owned facility?

A $366,000 secret contract with a major sponsor obligating the cash-strapped Development Authority of Peachtree City (DAPC) to guarantee huge quantities of sales in this privately-owned retail business, and DAPC never even voted on it, maybe never even knew about it until this month.

And is there another secret sponsor contract out there that has yet to be disclosed?

A $200,000 bank loan to the DAPC that magically appears. Where is the record of a public vote on this obligation?

Secret meetings, secret deals, secret obligations.

A year after an auditing firm warned of woefully inadequate accounting of public money, the financial picture involving two multi-million-dollar city-owned venues is even murkier now than it was a year ago.

Nobody can say with any confidence what is really going on at the tennis center and amphitheater that Peachtree City taxpayers own.
They face a cash flow crisis and can't borrow any more money.

Folks, you've got a genuine scandal on your hands, and a local government entity, the DAPC, is fully responsible for this foul mess.
It's clear now, even to the willfully blind, the DAPC is incapable of managing the financial affairs of the two venues it is charged with overseeing. And it's similarly clear that the Authority's executive director is out of control. He should be fired forthwith.

Vice Chairman Scott Bradshaw, a class act and a true public servant, did the only honorable thing left to him to do and resigned from the Authority Tuesday. In parting, he delivered in measured, gentlemanly tones a devastating critique of the Authority's failure to come to grips with its own ineptness.

His letter is reprinted in full within these pages and is also on our Web site. Also available is the "contract" between Adidas and DAPC, as well as an excerpt from last year's audit summary.

As he notes in an interview with our reporter, J. Frank Lynch, Bradshaw is no friend of the current mayor. But Bradshaw's blistering summary of mismanagement and management concealment of crucial financial matters fully vindicates nearly everything Steve Brown has been saying about the Authority's faulty oversight of the Tennis Center and the Fred Brown Amphitheater for more than a year now.

Most troubling, perhaps, is the unauthorized and secret deal Executive Director Virgil Christian made with Adidas that obligated the Authority for more than $366,000 in sales through the privately-owned pro shop that is not controlled by the Authority.

For that deal, DAPC gets $15,000 in t-shirts and travel bags to give away to tennis center and amphitheater fans, plus the shoemaker's logo on some tournaments. In return, Adidas requires DAPC to "guarantee Adidas sales" of $366,000 over the life of the five-year contract.

Bradshaw says the contract was never even discussed, let alone approved in any vote, by DAPC. The February 2002 contract that virtually gives away the city's store has Virgil Christian's signature on it. Bradshaw says he had to ask "three or four times for a copy of the agreement" before finally receiving it two weeks ago.

Is DAPC on the hook for $366,000 in sales of Adidas products solely through one privately-owned, non-rent-paying pro shop on city property? That's a question that high-priced lawyers will debate, costing Peachtree City taxpayers yet more money.

Here are other management missteps:
Withholding news of an impending cash crisis until just before the DAPC's fiscal year ends later this month. Bradshaw said management had consistently portrayed a rosy financial picture up until disclosing on Sept. 15 that DAPC likely couldn't meet payroll or pay $50,000 for the band in the upcoming final concert series at the amphitheater.

(An aside: We note that the amphitheater's office manager is running for city council. It will be interesting to learn from her whether she was aware of the dire financial situation confronting the venue.)

Ignorance of or disdain for common accounting principles, despite being warned in an outside audit last year of the confusing or missing financial statements. "Key members of management [read: Virgil Christian or the Authority chairman, take your pick] did not contain an adequate level of knowledge and control over the accounting function," reads the Sept. 30, 2002, audit report. "We encountered several examples of this throughout the audit, including not being furnished with amounts owed by the Authority ... until after our audit fieldwork was complete. Management should take more of a role in the accounting function of the Authority and obtain the knowledge necessary to make management decisions."

Wow! In that dry, bean-counter's language is as devastating a portrayal of a financially-out-of-control entity as you are likely to see in public documents.

Now this is the same DAPC and management team that have been praised to the sky by former Mayor Bob Lenox and others.

That was a year ago. Has it improved in a year's time? Bradshaw says, "Individual Authority members have worked diligently with staff on this issue, even helping to reformat the budget report. However, much of the information received by the Authority is still vague and it is difficult for members to have confidence in the financial picture as presented."

Again, wow! Could it be more devastating an indictment of either ignorance or protracted, ongoing mismanagement?

An executive director who either ignores or deliberately misleads his board of directors, the DAPC.

Christian fired the outside auditor "without vote of the Authority." He ignored a hiring freeze and hired two full-time and two part-time workers "in clear violation of the mandate. There was never a vote by the Authority to make an exception or waive the hiring freeze," Bradshaw wrote.

The director signed a contract obligating the DAPC to $366,000 in sales through the store he operates, but there is no record he ever asked the Authority's permission nor is there any vote that DAPC ever approved such a one-sided giveaway. The director did get named to the Adidas Advisory Board, presumably a prestigious coup for him.

This is the same privately-owned, for-profit business that operates rent-free inside the tennis center, with DAPC-paid employees running the cash register and selling the store's merchandise for the benefit of private owners.

All that money, from tennis court fees that belong to the DAPC to sales of Adidas clothing and tennis balls belonging to the for-profit pro shop, goes into the same pot and nobody can tell you with any accounting certainty which part is public and which part is private.
That's called "commingling" and it is an accounting and legal "no-no."

And here's an eerie echo of Mayor Brown's yearlong jeremiad about the cost overruns for the tennis center expansion:
"There has been no consolidated final report to the DAPC or to the public detailing the exact expenditures and final cost related to the Amphitheater administration office/SCT building renovation (approximately $200,000) or the Tennis Center expansion project (approximately $2 million)," Bradshaw wrote.

"Members of the Authority have been provided with a variety of somewhat disconnected change orders, contracts and partial lists of unpaid supplier and subcontractors," Bradshaw wrote. "It is very difficult for anyone to clearly understand the total financial picture related to these critical expenditures."

Double wow! This from an insider for the past four years. Is not this exactly what the mayor has been shouting for more than a year to anyone who would listen?

More from Bradshaw: "This issue is particularly important because of the controversy related to the cost overruns and the Authority's present inability to pay very large amounts of money owed to Group VI and other companies. Some Authority members were unaware of most of the cost overruns until the project was complete and the mayor [Brown] was quoted in the newspaper about cost overruns. The circumstances that permitted these cost overruns WITHOUT VOTE OF THE AUTHORITY [my emphasis] should be better clarified and corrected."

Triple wow! Former Mayor Lenox and various also-rans, I'm sure current Mayor Steve Brown would appreciate your phone calls acknowledging your mistaken support of an insupportable situation.
Attention, District Attorney Bill McBroom and state court Solicitor Steve Harris. You two have some obligations to the public here, to find out what has been going on with public money, public meetings and public facilities.

It's obvious that DAPC has miserably mismanaged the amphitheater and the tennis center, utilizing millions in public funds. The DAPC is in the throes of a financial crisis, with more questions than answers about how we got into this fine mess.

Now the remaining DAPC members should own up to their past mistakes and fire the executive director immediately before he can sign more unauthorized contracts or initiate more unsanctioned cost overruns.
They should require that for-profit pro shop to pay market rent for its space. They should stop providing free employees for that private company, public employees that are being paid for by a government entity, the DAPC, with public money.

And then the board can do one more honorable thing: En masse, they can resign and give the City Council the opportunity to get some auditors in there to account for public money and public facilities' use and clean up this miserable mess that has been made."

Source: "What a racquet: Authority should fire director, then offer their own resignations," Cal Beverly, The Citizen, September 26, 2003


Submitted by loanarranger707 on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 2:57pm.

There are a few things I don’t understand here.

Don’t honorable men always pay their debts?

Don’t professional lenders always exercise due diligence? That is, don’t they have checklists to ensure that the loan complies with all legal requirements? And when dealing with government entities, don’t they have outside lawyers provide them certificates that the borrower is properly authorized to borrow the amount they are prepared to lend?

Don’t borrowers like the Development Authority of Peachtree City (DAPC) also have lawyers who advise them on what they can and cannot legally do, and who help them get it done properly if it’s legal?

Wasn’t the DAPC entitled to receive the Peachtree City motel/hotel city tax and wasn’t it counting on this revenue to repay the Peachtree National Bank loan? Didn’t the Peachtree City council then take away this tax for its own benefit and leave the DAPC penniless?

Aren’t the taxpayers always responsible for the screw-ups of the people they elect? They elected them, didn’t they? (Isn’t that what the principle of respondeat superior is all about?)

I don’t understand why the bank should be left holding the bag. Wasn’t it nice of the bankers to trust the citizens of Peachtree City and to do them the favor of lending them a million dollars? Again, don’t honorable men always keep their word and pay their debts?

Please explain that to me and clear all these clouds of confusion from my head. Steve Brown can harp all the wants about everything the DAPC did wrong, what did the bank do wrong besides trusting the people of Peachtree City?

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 3:45pm.

Loanarranger707’s blog is the most stupid I’ve read in a long time. I can see as a bank sympathizer how you would arrive at your twisted opinions. Loanarranger707 said, “Don’t honorable men always pay their debts?” The question should really ask if honest taxpayers should be saddled with the illegal debts of dishonorable men? Apparently you didn’t read the piece above from former mayor Steve Brown.

Loanarranger707 thinks that we elected the development authority members???? When is the last time you noticed a development authority election on the ballot? Duh!
Kudos go to PTC guy on his new site (www.fayettespeaks.com) giving detailed information about the whole development authority scandal. Great job!

You’ve got to appreciate the words and lies of the idiot mayor Bob Lenox. After reading Cal Beverly’s words about a devastating scandal being exposed, Lenox’s words below are like a cancerous puss flowing from his mouth. That’s how these guys operate, steal and cover-up.

City of Peachtree City
Minutes of Meeting
March 6, 2003

“Former Mayor Bob Lenox addressed Council and said the idea for the Tennis Center came from Chase Broward, who at the time worked for the Peachtree City Development Corporation. Lenox said part of the problem was no one had a sense of history and no one knew all the facts. He said there was history and it was important to understand it. Everything done for the Amphitheater and Tennis Center was driven by and approved by Council. Lenox continued that the presentations would have been good if they had been made to the Development Authority. He said this was a hatchet job against Virgil Christian.”

The history was they lied, they cheated and they covered things up. Peachtree City has become a haven for scumbag politics.

Vote Republican


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 4:52pm.

You are a 100% right on all your points and the fact that Lenox, the bankers, and the development authority hacks were corrupt and criminal in their actions.

The Loan Arranger 707 undoubtedly has a vested interest in this scandal wouldn't you think? Perhaps a public lynching would be in order?

Many thanks to Bad PTC and PTC Guy for their hard work in accurately exposing this corruption. It's so easy to forget what really happened and most are too lazy to dig and research to come up with the truth. This is partly how they get away with this shooey. Time is on their side.

Fayette Speaks

Go to the Fayette Speaks Forum for more information on this issues and feel free folks to throw your two cents in. Fayette Speaks is not replacing the Citizen Blog but is complimenting it with a stable platform to retain important information and facts regarding these crucial issues.


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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 5:23pm.

This entire maze was so convoluted; I couldn’t begin to understand it. Bad_ptc and PTC Guy did amazing research and then presented the facts so even a neophyte like me could see who the actual NOT honorable men were.

I may not agree with all their posts, but I do appreciate all their hard work on this subject.

Fayette Speaks IS an excellent forum for all kinds of discussions. I am usually just a “lurker” because those guys are very difficult to keep up with. You are included in that too Lion!


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 3:27pm.

"Don’t honorable men always pay their debts?"

You are absolutely correct. Honorable men and woman always pay their debts.

The only problem is there were no honorable men on the DPAC when they signed for these loans.

The City Council, at the time the loans were takes out, didn't know about them. They couldn't approve something they new nothing about.

The non-honorable men you are referring to were the members of the DPAC at the time.

Why do you think that the honorable PTC citizens should pay for a bad business decision made by bad lawyers and bankers?

The bankers weren't "trusting" the City of Peachtree City, when these illegal loans were made. They are now looking at the DEEP POCKETS of Peachtree City because they knew than and now.

What honorable man takes out loans to meet payroll. What bank gives loans to someone who has NO collateral?

As far as I’m concerned, there wasn’t a scintilla of honor in any of these people.

“Don’t professional lenders always exercise due diligence?” Apparently not

“That is, don’t they have checklists to ensure that the loan complies with all legal requirements?” NO

“And when dealing with government entities, don’t they have outside lawyers provide them certificates that the borrower is properly authorized to borrow the amount they are prepared to lend?” NO

“Don’t borrowers like the Development Authority of Peachtree City (DAPC) also have lawyers who advise them on what they can and cannot legally do, and who help them get it done properly if it’s legal?” YES, but you have to tell them first.

“Aren’t the taxpayers always responsible for the screw-ups of the people they elect?”NO, not always. Not if the elected official acts outside of the their authority.

“They elected them, didn’t they?” NO, the members of the DPAC volunteered.

“I don’t understand why the bank should be left holding the bag. Wasn’t it nice of the bankers to trust the citizens of Peachtree City and to do them the favor of lending them a million dollars?” They didn’t lend it to the citizens of PTC. They lent it to five egomaniacs who thought they could get away with this fraud!


Submitted by loanarranger707 on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 5:08pm.

"What honorable man takes out loans to meet payroll. What bank gives loans to someone who has NO collateral?"

Honorable men can take out loans to meet payroll. Hey, the Fayette school board does it almost every fall. (It is done in anticipation of receiving the school taxes over the next few weeks.)

Banks give loans to people without collateral. One of the basic principles of credit unions is to lend to members on the basis of their character. Character counts for a lot in assessing the likelihood of repayment.

Demonstrably false statements like the ones shown above don’t do much for the credibility of the rest of the statements in your rebuttal.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 5:43pm.

"Hey, the Fayette school board does it almost every fall. (It is done in anticipation of receiving the school taxes over the next few weeks.)"

Hey, the FCBoE members are "elected" officials and Fayette County guarantees those loans. Please compare Apples to Apples.

"One of the basic principles of credit unions is to lend to members on the basis of their character. Character counts for a lot in assessing the likelihood of repayment."

The DPAC went to this bank by design. They had members of the bank board on the DPAC. How is it possible that the bank didn't know the financial standing of the DPAC before they made the loans?

Don't you remember Bob Brooks letter stating that he had no idea how bad things really were? The head of the DPAC lied to everyone.

Please do a little research before you ask stupid questions.

The reason the DPAC didn't go to another lending institution is because they knew they didn't have the authority or collateral to take out the loans.


Submitted by SandySue on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 2:35am.

Seems we need to do something, we have 3 more years to go.
Your thoughts? Maybe Cal can start a Poll on this?

Submitted by flightplan on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 8:57pm.

This is just priceless. The $1m payoff for the Dev. Authority debt will not increase our taxes? Do you think the services resulting from these taxes may decline just a bit? This is such a joke I can hardly respond. Logsdon has reached a new low. I'd much prefer to spend that money on more law enforcement. This is a very sad time in PTC's history. Logsdon must be planning to retire in Florida sometime soon because he sure doesn't care what state PTC will be in 10-20 years from how. I don't know how he sleeps at night.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 7:51pm.

"The terms of the settlement have been approved by Peachtree National Bank, Group VI and Foley Design Associates, Logsdon said"

Good for you and all of them - all we need now is IMNSHO, ptcguy, Robert, Bobby, muddle, bad_ptc and the major to sign off on the deal. What do you say - guys and Steve? Let's make it easy on the Mayor and his cronies.

And above all, GO TO THE MEETING AND SPEAK UP! OK?
meow


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 11:46am.

Click here for my response. This article is addressed toward the bottom.

Kick in there, where we can reference, back to this issue, for future events. A good, findable record for upcoming elections.

Not here today and gone tomorrow posts.

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Keeping it real, and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:29pm.

One last add before this fades off being findable.

I went to the meeting and gave my summation on the same link posted above.

And added a another topic on a future tax reality.

Enjoy and comment. We really need stuff like this preserved for future Council and Mayoral elections.

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Keeping it real, and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 8:51am.

One thing the current mayor doesn't do, like Bush, is pay the slightest attention to what anyone says--in fact he deliberately avoids even reading or hearing anything. Like Bush, it was all decided long ago. They know what is best for us.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:04am.

Your hatred for Bush discredits your postings. Git a freaking life.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 7:50pm.

”Logsdon said he didn’t think the proposed settlement, which would be financed through a 10-year bond, would require a property tax increase, but that must be hashed out in the annual budget process, he noted.”

“He didn’t think” being the operative phrase here. Where is the money coming from if not taxes either already paid or future taxes. What other services are we, the tax payers, going to have to do without if no tax increase is approved? Do we really need to fix the golf cart paths that at least 7,500 of us use? How about cutting the wages and benefits of the Police and Fireman again, that seemed to work well last time.

What is the problem with either letting the citizen’s vote via a referendum or simply going to court? What was I thinking, the bank might not get our money that way, sorry.

”The bond payment isn’t going to be that great,” Logsdon said. “I do not see a tax increase in the immediate future for this.” The city does face some tough budget-related decisions in the future, however, he added.

What does the Mayor consider “immediate future”? Next week or next year?

Please tell us why on earth the city would be glad to take on an additional $1,000,000.00 of additional debt?

”But Logsdon said the settlement agreements were published Wednesday in an effort to notify the public before council took a vote even though the city could likely have kept the settlement under wraps until the moment it was approved.”

Mr. Mayor, are you familiar with this thing all us Americans call “THANKSGIVING”? That’s only the second busiest travel holiday of the year.

Incase you missed it:
Thanksgiving travel expected to exceed pre-9/11 levels
“AAA estimates that >strong>37.2 million Americans will travel 50 miles or more from home during the holiday period, up 3.1 percent from last year; in 2000, 36.8 million Americans traveled during the four-day period.“

“We wanted to do everything in a public forum,” Logsdon said. “We are not doing some kind of back-room deal.” Then I guess it’s a good thing you did this in ”executive (closed) session”One of the benefits of the settlement agreements, Logsdon said, is that it will lead to repairs of the storm water drainage system at the tennis center, which has been blamed for flooding the bottom floor of the center on several occasions.”

So now we’re going to pay the same people that did it wrong the first time to do it again? Remember what Einstein said?
”The change orders involved finishing up the ground floor space in the tennis center clubhouse which later housed college classes offered by Clayton State University.

Finishing the ground floor cost $54,000, while other items included changes to clubhouse lighting ($52,000), landscaping and irrigation design and installation ($21,000), and paving of the south parking area behind the indoor courts ($12,000).”

By my calculations that’s a total of $139,000.00 in just change-orders. Where did these people learn about contracting? Maybe they should have attended Clayton State classes in the basement. Who in their right mind writes change-orders for more than 10% of the original price of the contract? Why weren’t these items put out for bid or God forbid, included in the original quotes?

”Logsdon said since the news broke Wednesday of the impending settlement, no citizen has broached a conversation with him about the matter.”

Well lets see, this is the week after “THANKSGIVING” and maybe people didn’t anticipate that the Mayor and City Council were going to try and pull a fast one, back room deal, why they were on vacation.

If the Mayor is interested in conversation on this subject, why doesn’t he wait until December 13th before he approves this deal? Maybe then he will have heard from some of the citizens he doesn’t represent and he can vote to approve it then.

Actually, why have a meeting at all? Isn’t it a forgone conclusion that the Mayor and the City Council intend to approve it anyway, regardless of citizen input?

When is this albatross supposed to start making money? From what I’ve seen, we the citizens of PTC, are going to be paying for this debacle for the rest of our lives.

All I can say now is I hope that none of the City Council members that vote to approve this, back room, under the table deal, bother running for office next election cycle.

They won’t be able to accuse anyone of slinging mud at them as they will have already rolled around in it.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 8:45am.

Hasn't the vote already taken place? Anyway the money is free the mayor said.
If we don't owe the bank but half of the money why did we owe them anything? Why must we pay the other dudes all of their bill?
Do you think there would be terrible repurcussions against anyone who would vote against tonight's vote, especially if it failed?
I say: layoff 40 town employees and cut the others salaries again and drop their health insurance. That would be enough to build a hotel near the courts, plus a French restaurant that loses big money.
It ain't funny, but what can we do? Impeach, maybe.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:05am.

You are right dollarday, it seems as though the council has already made a backroom deal.

I wish they would put it to a bond referendum. If it passes raise our taxes to pay this mess off and be done with it.

Harold, you need to sober up, and grow up. Stop insulting our intelligence with your disingenuous propaganda about not raising our taxes.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 8:03pm.

So, I'll deal with you the way you deal with others, your statement - "So now we’re going to pay the same people that did it wrong the first time to do it again? Remember what Einstein said?
”The change orders involved finishing up the ground floor space in the tennis center clubhouse which later housed college classes offered by Clayton State University."

Actually, Einstein said nothing about change orders or Clayton State. What he said, which is appropriate here is "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and then expecting different results"

You bad_ptc/Steve/Dan/whoever you are seem to be beating the same dead horse over and over again; therefore you seem nuts/insane/irrelevant.

Get a life.

meow


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 8:55am.

Rather had UGA or Kennesaw, or others! However THEY know best, I'm sure.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/28/2006 - 8:10pm.

And we'll have the Mayor send YOU the bill.

Works for me.


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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 4:47am.

My share is $44.73 the way I divided the total payment by the population of PTC. Over 10 years that's $00.012 per day. Wow! Killer. I'll gladly pay my share up front just to get this behind us and stop Brown's stupid immature tantrums in the newspaper. He's doing more to hurt the city's reputation now than he ever did when he was in office. Let's shut him up first - then we can talk about impeaching the current Mayor for doing his job.

Nevertheless, I agree that whoever the elected and appointed public officials were that acted improperly should be punsihed. Maybe Chief Murray and the GBI could investigate that. No, wait, that was already done. What did they decide, again?

meow


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:04am.

Can't be done. Covering up this sort of thing makes for more and more and more of the same! Did you really think our chief of police would have a legal opinion about such things? He likes his job.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:01am.

Mudcat,

You said:

Liberals have warm fuzzy ideas and try to implement them by having government redistribute someone else's wealth.

In regards to your quote I couldn't agree with you more. Granted I took your quote from another thread but it is so apropos with the criminal acts that your mayor and these developers are forcing on the taxpayers of PTC. Yeah. Sure. I only wish the guvment would bail my business out during the times I make costly and stupid business decisions. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of using "Other People's Money" to benefit my personal finances.

The actions of your mayor and his co-conspirators and their behind the doors deal is shameless and inexcusable.

So do me a favor Mudcat. Don't throw around the fact that the Libs like to spend "Other People's Money" when the Republicans and your guys commit the same heinous acts.


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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 8:31pm.

I'm sorry, sort of. Republicans do the same thing. True Fiscal Conservatives do not, but Liberals certainly do.

When you mix all that into the PTC tennis center mess, it means very little. Logsdon is not "my mayor" and I have no idea who his "co-conspiriators" are. Nevertheless, he is trying to solve a problem created by others - yes Lenox is as guilty as both Browns', but finger pointing at this point is, well, pointless.

This honest paying back of the city's debt is not wealth redistribution or tennis welfare as some have charged. Instead, it gets rid of a potentially nasty lawsuit and allows the tennis center and the ampitheater to move ahead without the shackles of the past bad decisions and the current name-calling.

Is that Ok with you?
meow


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 10:00pm.

Not a shaved cat. When will you get that right?

Instead, it gets rid of a potentially nasty lawsuit and allows the tennis center and the ampitheater to move ahead without the shackles of the past bad decisions and the current name-calling.

I guess what I'd have to disagree with you on is that the only ones that a "potentially nasty lawsuit" would effect negatively would be the bad actors that brought this scenario upon themselves and robbed the taxpayers of their hard earned cash. Heck...there's no doubt in my mind that if Logsdon were any kind of a man at all he would have stood up to this illegal taxpayer heist and let this case go to court. I'll bet you 8 out of 10 lawyers would agree that PTC could have easily beat these taxpayer predators if this case would have went to trial. Heck, it's a no brainer.

As far as these bad actors having fingers pointed at them and having nasty names hurled at them I say so what. They earned their titles and reputations on their own. Since when did it become wrong to hold crooks accountable for their actions? Are you afraid they might get their feelings hurt?

In addition does anyone really think this is only going to cost the taxpayers of PTC $1,000,000.00? What about the attorney's fees and the intrest and the cost of bonded indebtedness? Yeah...no additonal taxes for the Citizens of Peachtree City.

As the mayor of Peachtree City I would have used the million bucks to pay for additional police protection along the cart paths that will become increasingly impacted by crime due to the Section 8 housing that is the latest growth biz here.

Yeah, go ahead and settle it Logsdon. It's only "Other People's Money".


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 10:49pm.

Brokeback kitty will get it right someday. It was a painful meeting. That lasted less than an hour even with an adjournment in the beginning.

Our council showed their complete disdain for the average citizen. They actually showed some respect and deference to the students attending the meeting. The fact that this was a "done deal" was not lost on anyone.

As brokback kitty pointed out earlier, 2 of the white collar criminals are deceased, which makes this a cleaner world. Let's hope that crimetree city stops sinking here.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:18am.

We like you better than group2 1/2 and no business sense.

Bring your business to PTC, tell us you are doing it to benefit us. Then whatever you do don't , I mean absolutely don't come up with a business plan. Then when your business fails, and I'm sorry to say it probably will if you don't have a plan. Of course it will fail if it is a business that is selling a product only 2 or 3 people are interested in....kind of goes without saying.

When it fails, slip the current city council some money, and tell them to convince the taxpayers it is in their own best interest. After all you developed this failing business for the citizens out of the "goodness of your heart". If the taxpayers object get it approved anyway in a backroom deal. It's win, win for everyone.......oopps well not the taxpayers....but for you and the city council.

I know you would never do that, but I can see the door opening up for every other business that fails here. Just make the taxpayers buy it .

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 7:18am.

The entire thing was ILLEGAL!

I never did have, don't have and don't want to have anything to do with that tax draining money pit you call a tennis center.

As far as I'm concerned, those that voted for it can pay for it, yourself included.

Why do you think the Mayor is trying to do an end run around the citizens of PTC by doing this back room, under the table deal, during the Thanksgiving holiday?

Tell me mudcat, where's the money going to come from to keep this thing open? It obviously can't survive on it's own. Do you plan on making the payments?

What should the membership rates really be in order for it to break even with its operating expenses?

Just exactly how much money has it "made" for the city?

What have we already paid in legal fees up to this point? If court was scheduled for January, I say fine let it go to court.

Didn't Logdson just cut Group VI another "deal" by annexing there new development into the city? The one where no septic system plans existed! Now they can hook up to the city sewer system and not have to worry about re-designing their little development.

The strange thing is the "development" was already designed and "BUILT" to be connected to the city sewer system before it was annexed. How did that happen?

Wasn't that same development criticized by the city planning staff for clear-cutting all the trees and erecting the building without being subject to local code enforcement?

How much did we get for that deal?


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:30am.

Covering up illegalities and crooked deals.

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Wed, 11/29/2006 - 9:18am.

Mudcat is just another one of those "groupies" that act as the cheerleaders for the developers. All through the years "These are honorable people", "they have given so much", "if you don't like PTC then leave", blah, blah, blah...The TDK Road, the million dollar corporate tennis welfare bailout---- these are just very small chapters of business as usual compared to the Big Boy--- the PCDC $16 million dollar broken down sewer deal.

The funny thing is that the payola for Mudcat and the clown with the tee shirt at the council meetings is that they get invited to a few Christmas parties, they get a Claxton fruitcake and Bobby says "hi" to them. Hell, you get more from the Ralph Reed fan club than that.

So its really easy for Mudcat to make misleading statements that the GBI cleared these participants. That is false. They publicly admitted violating the Open Meetings Law and nothing happened. Steve Brown is right. If the $30,000 tot lot and the $2,000,000 Lenox Performing Arts Center were voted down at referendum, the taxpayers would have never, ever passed a bon vivant tennis center.

Enjoy your fruitcake and happy holidays !!!


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