PTC considers settling Tennis Center lawsuit for $920,407

Fri, 11/24/2006 - 10:00am
By: Cal Beverly

The City Council of Peachtree City will consider approving next week a nearly $1 million payment to a bank and two contractors to settle a long-running lawsuit about the city-owned Tennis Center, according to a city news release Wednesday.

The $920,407 settlement will eventually be paid out of the city's treasury by means of a complicated revenue bond issue and lease-back arrangement with the city's Development Authority, according to the news release.

Though the news release is silent about the ultimate source of the pay-back, it does say the initial yearly payment will start at $75,000 in 2008 and increase to a high of $135,000 in the final year, 2017.

The text of the city news release is as follows:

The city of Peachtree City and the Development Authority of Peachtree City (DAPC) will each hold special called meetings on Wednesday, Nov. 29, to consider settlement agreements in the two-year lawsuits filed regarding the expansion of the Peachtree City Tennis Center. At the time of the expansion, the city-owned Tennis Center was managed by the Development Authority of Peachtree City.

Group VI and Foley Design Associates filed against the city and the DAPC in 2004 regarding the design and construction contracts for the Tennis Center expansion.

Per the terms of the settlement agreement, Peachtree City will pay Group VI $180,195 and Foley Design $26,212, which are the outstanding amounts due on the contracts for the expansion of the city-owned Tennis Center, as contracted by the DAPC. As part of the agreement, Group VI and Foley will complete grading and drainage work to address the drainage problems at the Tennis Center.

Peachtree National Bank also filed suit in 2004 against the DAPC, the city, and the Peachtree City Tourism Association, which now manages both the Tennis Center and City-owned Frederick Brown, Jr Amphitheater.

Peachtree National Bank alleged that a portion of the outstanding debt was used to finance improvements to both the Tennis Center and the Amphitheater, which was also managed by the DAPC at the time.

Per the terms of the agreement, the city will pay Peachtree National Bank $714,000 for the claims made against the city, DAPC, and the Tourism Association. The original lawsuit was for $1.5 million.

The funding for the payment of the settlement amounts will be provided through a revenue bond, issued by the DAPC, for the purchase of the Tennis Center and the Amphitheater from Peachtree City. The facilities will immediately be purchased back from the DAPC under a lease/purchase agreement between the city and the DAPC.

City Attorney Ted Meeker said that the bond transaction is a legal mechanism by which these matters could be resolved and to provide the necessary funding for such resolution.

The city would pay the annual debt service on the 10-year bond beginning with a $75,000 payment in 2008. Payment amounts would increase each year, with the final payment of $135,000 made in 2017.

A more detailed presentation on the proposed settlement and bond will be made by the city attorney and bond counsel, Earle Taylor, at the City Council meeting on Nov. 29. The meeting begins at 6:30 p.m. at City Hall and is open to the public. The DAPC meeting is scheduled for 6 p.m. on the same date.

The information above is from a city news release e-mailed to The Citizen shortly after 4 p.m. Nov. 22.

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Submitted by swmbo on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 4:46pm.

I don't know much about this matter but, from what I have learned here, I cannot help but wonder if there are some legal issues that can be pursued.

1. Although there may not be a criminal case, is there a civil case against the responsible parties for breach of their fiduciary duty to the tax payers and/or the municipal corporation of PTC (remember that a corporation is a "person" within the meaning of the law)?

2. Elected officials are covered by sovereign immunity only to the extent that they are acting within their conferred authority. An authority is only covered by qualified immunity when exercising powers within the grant of authority from the government that created it. Might some of the members of the authority and/or the bank board be liable personally (as in, their house, their cars, their stock holdings, etc.) if any of their actions are not covered by immunity?

I don't have the answers to those questions. I'm just thinking aloud.

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Submitted by CCB on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 3:14pm.

This kind of crap happens when you get a bunch of guy who think they can get away with anything under the sun.


Submitted by Jones on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 2:45pm.

You can do an advanced search through some Internet media services and find these. I listed only the two articles below because they are more applicable to the story above. This should answer bad_ptc's questions.

Wednesday, January 8, 2003
PTC Authority contracts may be illegal
By JOHN MUNFORD

A new legal opinion from Peachtree City's new municipal attorney and its bond counsel questions whether the city's development authority can legally operate the city's tennis center and amphitheater under its current contracts with the city.

Georgia law, which delineates the powers of development authorities, doesn't "appear" to "authorize a development authority to own, operate or manage an amphitheater or tennis center," according to the opinion from city attorney Theodore P. Meeker III and bond attorney Earle R. Taylor III.

The attorneys also indicated the city can "assume" the authority's current $1.456 million in debt only by creating a recreational authority to issue revenue bonds to repay the debt, or by holding a referendum to allow voters to approve a bond issue or by funding the debt through the city's bricks and mortar program and having the city assume operations of both facilities.

The city council and the authority had been in negotiations over how to pay for the authority's debt, part of it incurred by the recent tennis center expansion.

The authority planned to retire its debt over a 20-year period after council under then-Mayor Bob Lenox agreed in 2001 to guarantee the authority $265,000 a year from the city's hotel-motel tax revenues. The majority of the facilities budgets are funded by revenues from ticket sales, memberships and court fees but the hotel-motel tax funds have been used to subsidize operations also.

Incoming Mayor Steve Brown raised objections to the funding method and questioned the legality of the authority's management contracts for operating the tennis center and the Frederick Brown Jr. Amphitheater.

Last month, the authority announced it was hiking user fees and ticket prices at both facilities to lessen the reliance on the hotel-motel tax funding.

Tate Godfrey, chairman of the Development Authority of Peachtree City, said if he felt comfortable about the venue's future in the hands of the current city leadership, he "might not have a problem in seeing if someone else can take them" and operate both facilities. But Godfrey said he lacks the comfort level he's seeking, particularly with the rumors that Brown wants authority executive director Virgil Christian fired.

Brown previously denied that he was "out" to get Christian, but several weeks ago he called for Christian and all the authority members to resign because of what Brown called financial mismanagement. Brown has also referred to Christian as "the highest paid public official in the county."

"I feel like there's another agenda here to do something with these facilities," Godfrey said. "I just find it odd that after 10 or 12 years of doing this it's improper. Why didn't the bankers, lawyers and politicians say anything about this before?"

Godfrey said Tuesday that he hadn't seen the opinion from Meeker and Taylor but the authority would "evaluate it when we see it and go from there."

"I don't know what the city plans to do with this," Godfrey said.
Authority members have argued the tennis center and amphitheater are being operated legally because they help develop trade, commerce, industry and employment opportunities in the city. Both facilities are used to entertain industrial and business prospects and both are also shown to industrial and business prospects in tours of Peachtree City.

Currently, the authority manages the tennis center and amphitheater operations in exchange for monthly payments from the city's hotel-motel tax fund to subsidize both venues along with economic development initiatives. Both operations have been running at a deficit in recent years.

Last year, Mayor Brown asked the authority to cut back its dependence on the hotel-motel tax. Since then, representatives of the authority and council hammered out a new agreement that would cut the authority's share of hotel-motel tax funds by $85,000 this year to $180,000. Next year, the authority's take would be capped at a maximum of $140,000, but it would actually receive 15.113 percent of the hotel-motel tax collections.

In the third year, the authority must set a goal of reducing its hotel-motel tax funds to a maximum of $100,000.
The authority also stipulated in the agreement that it will no longer seek long-term debt to fund projects for the tennis center or amphitheater; instead, any such projects must be funded by the city.
That agreement, however, depends on the city assuming the authority's indebtedness, most of which was used to improve the tennis center and amphitheater, which are both owned by the city. Otherwise, the authority might be left with a significant cut in funding and no way to pay its loans back.

Although most of the authority's current $1.45 million in debt was for capital improvements, a portion of it is for operating expenses. The authority uses a revolving line of credit to pay expenses in months when revenue dwindles. Those funds are repaid again on a seasonal basis such as when summer concert season tickets are purchased at the amphitheater and when the tennis center gets its membership revenues.

Meeker and Taylor also indicated they were willing to meet with the development authority and its attorney to discuss their opinions in detail and "consider any contrary viewpoints that can be offered ... in an effort to clarify and resolve the issues addressed in this memo."

Members of the development authority are Tate Godfrey, Brian Palmitessa, Bob Brooks, Scott Bradshaw, Belinda Sward, Scott Formel and Doug Warner

Wednesday, January 8, 2003
Turns out, Mayor Brown was right . . .
By CAL BEVERLY
Publisher

Well, Ollie, it's a fine mess you've got us in.
Laurel and Hardy slapstick comedies come to mind with the latest chapter in the Peachtree City Tennis Center mess.

The new city attorneys and the city's bond attorney have issued an opinion that in effect says, Steve Brown was right.
Turns out the city's autonomous development authority is operating both the new tennis center and the Fred Brown Amphitheater in violation of state law and a Georgia Supreme Court ruling.
Further, state law prohibits the city from picking up the authority's $1.456 million debt, according to the Jan. 3 opinion from Theodore P. Meeker, III, the city attorney, and Earle R. Taylor, III, the city's attorney for borrowing issues.
In addition to state law against a city assuming debt of an authority, the state's constitution "also prohibits the city from 'assuming' or 'paying' the authority's debts without the assent of a majority of the city's qualified voters," the attorneys wrote.
The attorneys said even an intergovernmental agreement between the two parties can't get around the rules. "In summary, it is doubtful that the development authority is authorized by law to operate or manage either the tennis center or amphitheater on behalf of the city," the city's attorneys wrote.

So, the grand experiment fashioned under the reign of Mayor Bob Lenox in the early 1990s of having an industrial development authority run an entertainment venue and later an exclusive tennis center however successful or unsuccessful that role may be adjudged today is just simply unlawful.

Some questions arise.
How did we get into this mess? Why didn't previous city and bond attorneys do a little legal research to find out whether such facilities could be operated by an appointed group supposedly created to bring new industry to town?

The laws and cases cited in the Jan. 3 memo to the city seem overwhelmingly to shout, "You can't do this!"

Were the previous rulers and authorities so insulated from reality outside Peachtree City that they either ignored the laws and rulings or did they suppose regally that they could get away with it just because of who they were?
One wonders.

Another wonderment: Now what?
The city's new legal eagles have some possibilities.
"First the city can hold a referendum on whether the [$1.456 million] debt can be incurred," attorneys Meeker and Taylor wrote.
"The second option would be to have a recreation authority created by the Georgia legislature through local legislation," the memo said. "If a recreation authority was established, that authority could then operate and manage both facilities and could also make provision for the existing [debt] of the development authority."
Just like Mayor Brown has suggested.

OK. It's time for the development authority to recognize reality and Georgia law and get cranking on getting out of the amphitheater and tennis center business. Backed by snarling anti-Brown advocates, the authority could embark on a fruitless legal challenge to established state and case law and continue spending money they don't have on an unwinnable position.

Or the authority could face up to both legal and political reality and start ensuring a graceful exit from tasks it should never have embarked upon in the first place.

A new city recreation authority will be lawfully entitled to operate the two facilities, and likely will do those jobs well. Tennis welfare as we know it may end, subjecting the several hundred members of the tennis club to steeper fees. Amphitheater tickets may go up.

In both cases, financial reality requires that such specialized venues move toward self-sufficiency. In other words, as in any business, they should pay their own freight, carry their own weight, without being a drag on decreasing city tax revenues.

Once this is past, the city can begin getting the much-needed TDK Boulevard extension under construction and the development authority can turn its primary attention back to its lawful primary business of attracting new industry to our county.

Will that end the fractiousness in Peachtree City politics? One can only hope ....

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 11/25/2006 - 9:26am.

City Council of Peachtree City Minuets, June 7, 2001

The Tennis center discussion starts on page 11.

Quoting Bob Brooks, "it was within Council's ability to build one of the finest facilities in the nation that would literally put Peachtree City on the map in a way that did not cost the taxpayers any money, and it would pay for itself with an unbelievable number of secondary benefits."

When ask about letting the citizens of PTC vote on the idea Brooks responded with, "Brooks said he thought the down side was the if you asked the citizens for a vote on a project that everyone agreed was of tremendous benefit to the City for a wide range of reasons, and it was voted down because a lot of people had not studied the issue and would no know essentially what they were voting on due to misconceptions about the benefits to the facility. He was concerned that some people would evaluate it simply on the basis that it was a $2.5 million dollars facility that they personally would no use."

Well Bob which is it? Either, "everyone agreed was of tremendous benefit to the City" or "people had not studied the issue and would no know essentially what they were voting on due to misconceptions".

No wonder we're in this mess.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 11:59am.

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Submitted by John Munford on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 1:58pm.

I think you're referring to this article (can't find it online ... and can't find date published, though it appears to have been November 04).

No crime uncovered in GBI, PTC probes of city development authority

By JOHN MUNFORD
jmunford@TheCitizenNews.com

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation was unable to find any evidence of criminal activity after reviewing numerous documents pertaining to the activities of the Development Authority of Peachtree City.

The two GBI agents who worked the case also pointed out four areas of the authority’s Sept. 30, 2002 audit which should be reviewed, said Police Chief James Murray, who asked for the review by the GBI’s financial investigations unit. Murray said City Finance Director Paul Salvatore told him several of those issues have already been addressed with the auditing firm.

Murray emphasized that if any indicators of criminal conduct are found at a later date, the investigation could be re-opened. As for now, however the case is closed.

Although no evidence of criminal intent was found by Murray or the GBI, the chief noted in a press release Wednesday that the review of the documents brought “numerous suggestions that bad decision-making, failure to disclose conflicts of interests and failure to follow proper procedure were prevalent when the Development Authority and its members were conducting Authority business.”

“In many cases, the failure to have a detailed operation plan specifically designed to hold accountable both employees and members of the Authority for the proper accountability when spending or obligating taxpayer dollars has led to a cloud of supposition.”

The investigation was only to review possible criminal violations, not ethics or operations violations, Murray noted.

“People have to understand that for a criminal investigation you have to have probable cause, not mere suspicion and innuendo,” Murray said.

Murray said he was confident of the investigation’s results, saying the two GBI agents working the case — Steve Edwards, the special agent in charge of the financial investigations unit and Nancy L. Windom, the forensic investigation unit manager — are experts in the field who have experience with hotel-motel tax issues and investigating authorities. Murray quickly added that he is not an expert in accounting.

“These people are well-qualified,” Murray said, adding that he felt glad the agents concurred with his opinion on certain issues.

Murray began reviewing documents pertaining to the DAPC in mid-October at the request of Peachtree City Mayor Steve Brown. In addition to reviewing the documents, Murray conducted interviews with persons relating to the bidding, building and management function of the city’s tennis center and amphitheater which the authority operated.

Calling the GBI for assistance was a serious matter, Murray said, but he felt he might be accused of being too close to the city to offer a valid opinion.
“I felt I needed a second opinion,” Murray said.

Murray and the GBI agents also consulted with the Georgia Attorney General’s Office at times during the investigation, the chief added.

The investigation will help city officials create restrictions so these types of problems don’t come up again, Murray said.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 3:04pm.

Smiling


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 4:33pm.

Why are the tax payers liable for the people that acted outside of their appointed authority?

They were not acting in the best interest of the city nor were they granted authority to enter into a transaction that obligated the city.

The bank knows this.

If the city ends up paying anything, I better see a lawsuit against those responsible.

I, as a tax payer, vote to have the city hire competent council and challenge this in the court system.

If nothing else, I would require the city to enter into non-binding arbitration before writing a $1,000,000.00 cheque.

I also want an independent audit of the banks books to verify that they haven't written this loss of on their taxes.


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 8:41pm.

It doesn't sound like this group has a leg to stand on legally. If they did they wouldn't be grandstanding here,....they would get on with it .....if everything they had done was above reproach.

Fact is I think the bank and crooked group4 want to settle this out of court more than the city does.

I think it would be great for this to go to court.....it would require and audit of both the bank and the crooks...oopps I mean members of group4. The audit the court would require probably would be both buisness and a personal audit. Is that something our little thug group 3 1/2 members want? Maybe if we were lucky all of their buisness associates would be audited too. Hmmmmm, yes, yes,..... going to court actually would be in the taxpayers best interest. That audit, by the way probably would extend to the mayors office.....FYI.

No, the more I hear about this crooked deal ...we absolutely need to go to court to sort this out once and for all.

Of course with all of the bad publicity group3 1/2 would attract, their chances of being invivted to ruin, oooopppps I mean develope another city ...would probably be slim to none. Most honest cities don't want to be associated with questionable people....it tarnishes the city image.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 12:41pm.

Why are these two entities mentioned by some together? Is the local bank board the same now as when the loan was made? What have bank examiners said about the loan? Do we have, or have we had, a business cartel in Peachtree City for years, working together? What is all this about---that is: besides the million plus dollars?

Submitted by 30YearResident on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 3:57pm.

I'm not familiar with this specific case, but I am familiar with Development Authorities as a whole.
These are an appointed group of people with the authority to obligate "taxpayers" money and have no one to answer to. If they screw up, they just may not get appointed next time.
These authorities can grant tax incentives, promise "free services", grant exemptions, etc.... all in the name of progress or "bringing business to the area".
But let me explain what they really do. Lets say a piece of land is sitting in the industrial area and is owned by, oh, lets just say Group IV as an example. They have a prospect to purchase this land but need some incentivies granted, so they go to the "Development Authority". They're granted these incentives in the name of "bringing in new jobs". However, some outside company builds the building. All top level jobs are transferred in by the new company and the only thing left are low hourly jobs, usually taken by non-PTC folks. So, the PTC taxpayers get stuck with the costs (free taxes, free services, development of water, roads, sewerage, etc.) PTC gets stuck with additional traffic from outside the county to fill the low paying jobs so additional police staff are needed. Group IV (remember, this is just an example) gets to sell their land at a premium and the buyer gets one heck of a deal.

This is why I don't like Development Authorities.... I'm sure if you dig deep enough into this, you'll find someone that benefited nicely from this Tennis Center deal... and you can bet it wasn't the PTC taxpayers who now have to pony up to a $920,407 payout.

Just my personal opinion... your mileage may vary.

Submitted by jmatute on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 1:23pm.

I have been a resident of PTC for almost 20 years. I had nothing to do with, no say in the matter, and our city government had no assumption of fiduciary responsibility when the bank made a bad loan to DAPC. This was a non-tranparent back room deal that went sour. So why should we city taxpayers be on the hook for someone else's errors? Those running around saying that the city should do "the right thing" are placating those big business pockets that put them in office. The bottom line is that I, nor any taxpayer has any legal liability for this, and that should be well stated and noted. Before there is a vote to make legal restitution, which is what the meeting is all about, let's have an open discussion with the debate focused on the legality of city's liability. Let's not run off to pay something that we do not have to pay.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 9:29pm.

Did you attend the Development Authority meetings when they discussed this endlessly under Mayors Lenox and Brown? No, I didn't think so.

Will you go to the public meeting the city council has called next week to get public input? Well will you? Will you speak up there - or just here where it doesn't take any real effort or courage?


Submitted by jmatute on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:44pm.

Now that I am retired, I am able to attend meetings on a regular basis when I am in town. When I was working, a 24x7 job with frequent international travel prevented close scrutiny and attendance of city business. I will be there at the special meeting next Wednesday. By the way, I did not see you at the council meeting last week.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 9:59pm.

Robert, don't you ever get the impression that pissing at a windmill is a waste of time?

I've been to the meetings, voiced my opinion and accomplished nothing.

An army of one just don't cut it.

I agree with what you're saying, don't vote don't bitch.

I wish you could cut the apathy with a knife.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 4:54pm.

The next thing you will hear from the mayor, etc., is that if they don't pay now that the lawyer fees will be exorbitant.
Don't we have a lawyer on the payroll? We need to see the WHOLE AGREEMENT of this transaction!!!!!

Submitted by idontknow on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 9:29pm.

http://www.peachtree-city.org/Archive.asp?ADID=59

Read and be informed, or just keep spouting your silly opinions.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 9:40pm.

Whats to read? The City Council has already made their decision.

Lip service is something I can do without.

At least I can say I didn't vote for the current administration.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 5:06pm.

I agree with you that that will be his argument.

Question: Can we recall the current City Council if they vote for this without approval from the citizens?

Is there some mechanism by which we the citizens of PTC can vote to take this to court, with competent council of our choosing?


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 9:13pm.

No, you can't recall the current city council if they vote to approve settlement of a lawsuit without approval fom the citizens. The city council was elected to make such decisions for us. Those of us who did not run for a position on city council need to abide by the decisions of those we elected. Naturally, you can vote against the ones you disagree with in the next election. You can even run against them.

Your second question about the citizens taking the issue to court - well, the answer is the same. No, there is nothing you can do. It does not work that way.

It may be best for you and others to find a new issue that more than 4 people actually care about.


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 11:04pm.

Ummm first of all anytime a bond referendum was considered I thought it had to be put to a vote.

Of course bad loans should have been "up for a vote" as well!

I also was under the impression that when the current elected officials were found/caught in illegal "arrangements" they could be recalled for dereliction of duty. HHmmmm, silly me, I thought they had to obey the law.

The best thing for everybody would be for the courts to decide, and let the AUDITS lie where they may.

How much of this sordid agreement was up to "the letter of the law"?????

I bet none of it was.

If it smells like bull blank, blank, ..and walks like a bull ....there probably is a bull nearby.

Submitted by thebiggun on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 11:20am.

The $1,000.000.00 that is owed will be payed by the Mayor and City Council without a problem and no tax increase. How you ask ? Well they will get it by cutting the employees salaries as they did last year. Easy thing to do and just about none of the employees live in the city anyway so who cares. They can get the million easy and also push through their pay increase at the same time. Have to pay themself more now that they are into big city banking. But remember that Boone, and Logsdon come from the big spending military and are use to wasting tax payer money. Just another day at the office for them with cocktails after and a good laugh how they pulled another one off on the tax payers. Just look who is on the Bank board and then connect the dots to the those that were elected last time. Come on folks you are not that stupid.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 6:46pm.

They are going to try to take it off the backs of people who are actually doing HONEST work. All of our city employees are more important than this group of developers and bankers.

According to the law, and previously stated in Munfords articles, it is against the law for the city to pay this back without the majority vote.

They are hoping for a low turnout Wednsday night at 6:00pm. Don't give them the satisfaction. These crooks aren't worth a dime.

Submitted by thebiggun on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 8:05pm.

Skyspy you and I will not make any of this happen because the deal has already been signed seal and delivered. The vote is just the cherry on the cake. That deal was struck long before the election was ever held. Do you really think that they elected Logsdon and Boone for their brains ? Just watch Logsdon try to read anything or Boone try to make a comment that is logical and you will know for sure it was not. They would have elected anyone that was willing to give in to the powers to be. The tennis center was built for a few favored few that really wanted a private tennis club for their kids with the city picking up the tab. And it worked. Free memberships, tennis lessons and God knows what else. The former City Manager knew about it so they got rid of him and got a stooge. Dumb is a lot better then honest. So you see the deck is stacked against us no matter what we do. As for getting the money off the back of the employees, bet on it as it is going to happen. And what do the citizens get in all of this, the old saying is BEND OVER.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 12:32pm.

I tried to find out who was on the local Peachtree National Bank board and Synovis but had no luck. Where did you get the list? I don't think it is accidental that the list is hard to find. Better list would be the one when the loan was made!
If Development authorities can have a tennis pro approve such loans and make the taxpayers responsible for the loan, well, the City, but isn't that us? You can say bonds, hotel tax, whatever you want but the people are paying the bank, who paid the pros expenses. and the operating expenses.
I expect they have several more tales to throw out to justify the payment. Where are all of the copies of the side agreements made by the lawyers?

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 7:25am.

I don't think this type of bond issue requires a public referendum or general vote by the taxpayers. Seriously doubt if anyone could make a case for recalling members of city council or the mayor when they are simply paying back a debt incurred by a previous administration.

If there is any wrong-doing it lies with the parties that signed the loan documents. Why don't you find out who they are and investigate them?
meow


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 9:25pm.

I was dreaming that there was a possible yes response to my questions.


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 11:16pm.

I think there is a "yes" to your questions. These lowlife scumballs are hoping severly that none of us can afford legal council.

They hope that we are just your average frumpy, dumpy family people who just blindly follow along. They want people who are easy to bully.

They thought that is what they had...in PTC. I hope they are wrong.

They need to be audited.....they being the bank, group21/2 and associate crooks. If they are so clean they will welcome an audit willingly.

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 11/24/2006 - 7:28am.

They would love to hear you volunteer to conduct an audit at your expense that would be supplied to the newspapers.
meow


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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 1:30pm.

He stated his intention during the elction. You knew what you were getting.

This money could pay for more police, Mmre firefighters, less taxes! Now this money will go to the back room boys that made a loan that the should not have made! That is why they have business insurance. If they made a claim though, their rates would go up, they would make less money and the CEO would get a smaller bonus. they are laughing all the way to their bank!


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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:27am.

But if the city owes the money, the city should offer a settlement. That way you pay what you owe under terms you can live with. Otherwise you go to court, spend an extra $500,000 on attorney's fees (even more if the judge and jury figure you should pay the plantiff's attorneys as well) and still lose.

So, congratulations on doing the smart thing. Glad Harold and the adults are in charge. At least we won't have to listen to Brown's tortured defense of "the development authority is not the city" - or something like that. That's the kind of nonsense that gets you laughed at in court by a judge and a jury consisting of business owners and others who have real jobs and mortgages and understand how the real world actually works.

Settle it and move on and we can forget our 4-year nightmare under Brown and enjoy our wonderful city without the hysterical and immature behavior.
meow


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 11:22am.

Why should we pay anything for a mistaken loan. If it is discovered that these "development authorities" are backed by the city and the taxpayers, God help us in the future! If they want the property, give it to them.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:41am.

Yeah we all should be so grateful harold and his greedy idiots are in charge. He wants his salary doubled for no apparent reason.....because he most certainly hasn't earned it.....maybe group4 can give him an extra cut of the 920. large....to "thank" him.

Real business owners would laugh this group of idiots out of the court room. If I build a home and the owner and or bank default I would reposess it, and resell it at a profit....because I would have built a quality product. The only time you don't reposess something is when you know it isn't worth what you charged for it to begin with.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 10:26am.

For a building and buisnss that was poorly constructed and is barely worth the land it is built on??

If this were a viable well planned buisness the bank would have foreclosed on it 2yrs ago, and been running it at a profit.

All of this to help out a shoddy group of low life developers?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Thu, 11/23/2006 - 11:18am.

Why. If the creditors are correct, pay them all of it, plus the interest and all of the lawyer bills, if not, pay nothing---since we are rerally getting nothing much for it. That money supported salaries and very little improvements.
Let the Group VI people, the designers, and the Peachtree National Bank have the place--lock stock and barrell, they goofed!
If I had loaned the money to them, do you think the town would pay me?
Also, who ends up paying for the "bonds?" Our tax money of course--some from hotel tax (ours), some from town budget. When you stay at a hotel in some other city, dn't you think that tax on your bill isn't a "bond?"

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