OldSchool asked if hell was hotter - Then all hell broke loose- read some of these blogs - then you will know why I asked where you were!

Had a friend do some tracking and he says that Old School, Right On The Money, and Mainframe along with another new monicker that has been posting were all from the same IP address along with several other clues that linked them as one. So perhaps Old School never got hacked at all and someone was stirrin the pot for sure. It is believed by several who investigated this that the hacker was a hoaxster. What do you think?

Now I say that hoping my dollar two ninety eight doesn't get zapped from my account.

Didn't we get accused of being the same person once? Actually, it sounds like someone is using the same proxy and the same IP address..... I plead the fifth!

Real Security was the other one they traced to the same spot.

Unfortunately, your friend either has busted software, or tracking techniques or whatever. I only signed up to challenge Mr. Mainframe to prove he could hack accounts. I suspected they were all the same guy and he was just trying to scare folks. As for me, please don't group me in with this fellow. I'm actually saddened that things quieted down.

If anyone wants to know for sure just call AIS Computers. They host this site for The Citizen. Ask them to look through the /etc/httpd/logs/access_logs and the session table (in mysql) that Drupal (the software that runs this site) uses to track users. They can quickly confirm or deny who's who. I'll make it easy... my IP address hasn't changed in almost a year (thank you Comcast).

I am currently using a proxy server and I am on a wireless connection that is unsecure (not my ISP or IP). I have no idea who's IP addy you would pull if you check this post but you are certainly welcome to pull it and see who it belongs to. I am not sure but I think it will come back to bellsouth or comcast.

I am always amazed at how many unsecure wireless connections there are ou and about ...aren't you? It's nuts! Everywhere you go you can find them!

Peace!

But you are very right. There are several (hundreds) of open wireless access points around town. Combined with the hundred of open proxies in the world, it is tough to trace by IP alone. But I don't want to taint this child molestor blog with computer security stuff anymore. Maybe I'll start a blog on here where we can wax poetic about hacking.

I should say, I don;t want to taint the computer security discussion by hiding it in the comments about the child molestor.

what you're talking about please do edumacate us. Just do it in non geek terms. Thanks in advance.

So I'm going to call AIS and tell them that Git Real needs to check there logs? That'll go over good. Now that we know who runs the blogs here maybe we can can picket them over the sorry format they offer here. Oh well...I guess I'm not paying for it.

Well I'll go back to my guy and double check on RealSecurity. I was sure he said you were a part of that bunch. Guess not. Anyways I think we're relatively safe. Man I've got a pot full of firewalls and other contraptions set up by my IT guy that are supposed to protect me. Hope that's the case.

This time I am on yet another IP -

We don't care!

Why do you feel a need to interject in to a blog between at least three others to tell us you are not interested in our blog?

"We" really don't care if YOU are interested. At least three of us are.

Blog on something you ARE interested in and stay out of the blogs that you aren't.

Is this free speech or not? If I wish to comment on an ongoing technical conversation where most of you don't even know what you are talking about, I'll do it. Anyway, this is a private place, and it is illegal for anyone to interefere with my computer or transmissions, unless Homeland Security says they must! So get off the conversations about hacking into other peoples business, please.

.... it seems you are the only one NOT interested- read the blogs and look at the posts - you can read can't you??

Oh, and your statement that "Is this free speech or not? If I wish to comment on an ongoing technical conversation where most of you don't even know what you are talking about, I'll do it." makes our point - we will talk about what we want - it's a blog you moron! YOU aren't the only one with rights - duh.

In conclusion:

In case you need clarification for your request of "So get off the conversations about hacking into other peoples business, please."

That was a resounding 'NO'. We will talk about whatever we want to - that's why the blog is here.

Hacked by the "citizen' who posted as if it was from me that I was to only use 'English' when I post. I called it a cheap shot - maybe you can find the comment. As for the same - I know mainframe well and I can assure you there is nothing 'OldSchool' about him - I doubt anyone in his family fits that bill either! Me and MainFrame go wayyyyyyy back

You got edited by the Mod. Or is that by the Man? Happens to all of us from time to time around here when we step out of bounds. You should have never put that Arabic writing on here that talked about Cal's momma wearing army boots. That wasn't right dude. I would have edited you too! By the way.......

Is this a free speech place or a place to play stupid games? You people are trying to pretend to be Homeland Security, the only dumbasses I know who are infringing on my American rights.

You don't even understand what's been going on here. Next thing you'll be dragging Bush into this conversation. So if you want to practice your free speech then go sit in the corner and write your next "Why I Hate Republicans and White People" blog.

Remind me to never get you pee'owed Oh, and well said by the way!

Oh center of the universe (dollaraday), who are you speaking to? Reading your mind is becoming ever more difficult.

The 'arabic' may have been over the top but all it said was PEACE. I was hoping that maybe some of 'them rascals' would read it and have an epiphany

Okay - if I didn't get hacked - why was the message from me- using my picture and screen name?? Huh??? Yea, that's what I thought. I'm keeping a looowwwww profile!

Also, there are more ways to edit even if you don't "hack" technically into the system. I think this is myword's pic but I'm not sure if he's on the tricycle or in one of the tanks. But the real question is where did I get the picture and how did I put it in the blog?

Submitted by myword_mark

That's great blog idea- list all of the local 'hotspots' for the wireless crowd

If you're on a wireless card and you have service with...let's say Verizon as you travel around does your IP change?

You have to travel more than a few miles. Several hotspot locations for example will share the same public ip address, but not all. There are a few public ip addresses across all the locations in the U.S. for T-Mobile. All of the large wireless carriers have regional switches the funnel the traffic to a hub location before it ramps on to the information super highway. This is true for GSM and CDMA wide area networks as well as WiFi and WiMAX. Some carriers offer public IP and private IP options for extra bucks. Many business people are on the private side, so yes, there are just a few addresses for a lot of people. It shouldn't be surprising if several folks on this blog have the same IP if they use public wireless connections.

As I've traveled from Fayetteville and am now West of Memphis at this very moment traveling on I-40 will my IP address change from tower to tower or area to area? And thanks for the info above.

Now....Lego of me Eggo!

Sorry...I couldn't contain that one.

Of course it depends on your carrier. The IP address won't always change from "tower to tower" but it eventually will. All of the national operators have regional hubs, say 5-7 in the lower 48. When you crossed the Mississippi River there's a good chance you'll have a new IP soon. That is unless you're a big guy with the gov't and use the birds for your connection.

P.S. A quick way to check you’re public IP is to open a browser and surf here. Always best to use VPN when you’re out and about!

bad_ptc - sounds like you need to start a blog - a list

Edit the post you put up earlier. if you use a nasty four letter word like the F word Cal & Company will come on and edit the word to say {{{{Edited & Warned}}}}.

Peace With Might!

But I'll see what I can do. Got to leave you hanging til tomorrow though.

I appreciate the effort.

First off, this will be my final reply to you on this subject. The verse about pearls to swine keeps coming to my head. You have refused to hear what I was originally trying to say. You have put words in my mouth concerning how I feel about what this youth pastor did, and how he should be punished. In no way do I condone what I did. I don't automatically forgive him. I don't need to forgive him, I have nothing to do with it! I think he should be punished and I don't think he should ever be allowed to be in a position over children again. What he did was inexcusable. However, judging him, making fun of him, etc. is not something I will do simply because of the Bible verse in my original post. I don't pick and choose which Bible verses I like or the ones that fuel my purpose. I'd love to rake this guy over the coals. I have been one of the molested before. But I will not because I don't think it is right, and I want God to have mercy on me when I sin too.

As to offending you and oldschool, I apologize. Especially to oldschool since I respect him based on the posts I have read by him. I wanted to interject the position that I believe the Bible takes on judging others that you all might not be thinking about. Take it or leave it. I had had enough! If I only put one seed in someone's heart about the mercy of God, no matter what we do but also caution about the judgement of God, that's all I wanted. So, happy hunting. Hands off for me!

According to Dante, the worst and hottest layer of hell is reserved for traitors. Brutus, Judas, etc... Just some food for thought.

I have to agree with those who think there is a 'special place' for the Hitlers and Dahmers of the world. I'm sure Brutus, Judas and the like are receiving their just rewards there too

Thanks-
OldSchool

I can tell by your post that you don't know much about being a Christain. What this Youth Pastor did is horriable. But what people don't understand is Christains are not perfect- we battle with the flesh daily, just like you. The difference is we know Jesus who paid a HIGH price on the Cross to forgive us when we sin - this is not a ticket to sin if you are a true Christain. We ask Jesus daily to forgive us and He does. How would you like for something you did to be printed and someone make a comment like you did- I am not defending the Youth Pastor, he did it admited to it and now has to pay the price. Do I think he loves Jesus, I do. He messed up with a weakness in his life. We all have them Non-Christains and Christain. Christains are not perfect we are striving to be like Jesus. And we do mess up, that why we have Jesus in our lives to forgive us. My prayers are with him and his family. And my prayer is that you will understand we are all human and as much as we try we fail daily. Thank God for sending Jesus to pay the price on the cross with His blood for us so we don't have to go to hell because He doesn't want us to-either we accept Him or not it's our choice. Mine is I know I am not perfect and I need Jesus to forgive me.

Spoken like a true 'Christian'. You judged MainFrame well ("you don't know much about being a Christain"). You are right.

Maybe you can invite the youth pastor over to spend the night and tell your kids night-night stories
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Psalm 26:4
4 I do not sit with deceitful men, nor do I consort with hypocrites;
2 Corinthians 11:13
13For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.

I see you on the other hand are all knowing. Shall I show you more?

I was talking about the remark that Main Frame said about IS HELL HOTTER. As a Christain which I am proud to be I would never ever say anything like that. Every life is valueable.

Okay - someone needs to say this to you:

1) Your response was anything but "christian like". Your first statement was "I can tell by your post that you don't know much about being a Christain.(sic)" Wrong to say, judgemental and un-christ like.

2) You then extended your remarks to include everyone but, apparently, you. "But what people don't understand is Christains are not perfect- we battle with the flesh daily, just like you." This is a condesending and rude remark that makes you look egocentrist and arrogant.

3) You further drive home the point that you know the truth and "we" don't: "The difference is WE know Jesus who paid a HIGH price on the Cross to forgive US when we sin". Actually, some of us are aware of this too but still know evil and perversion when we see it. Who is we? Who is us? Who am I?

4) Your most offense statement is this one: "How would you like for something you did to be printed and someone make a comment like you did" ... ugh.... are you stupid? Do you think that we would be shocked to have it "printed" if we were child molestors and were caught???

First of all, you are an ass for even suggesting that this is common behavior. Second, I am not a child molestor and beleive they should be branded so children and adults know to stay away from them. Te forehead would be a good place for that. You know , the mark of the beast and all that.

5) You then disclaim "I am not defending the Youth Pastor, he did it admited to it and now has to pay the price." Yes, you ARE defending him. What price do you suggest he pay? You don't want him criticized at all - public ridicule causes you to attack those offended by his perversion of adulthood and religion so what punishment is within your almighty's scope of acceptablity?

Then finally it's this: "Do I think he loves Jesus, I do." Well, I don't - we differ - I guess I'll go to hell for it - oh well - people who LOVE Jesus don't try to molest children. People who love a spouse don't cheat on them. That's not love bpr, it may be alot of things - like, fear, cover, but it's not LOVE.

You and Christi can start a church...you can have him as a youth minister and Ted Haggard as your pastor. You can call it the church of 'touch and feel good'.

You don't ever say hell is hotter. In God's eyes sin is sin they are all equal. I do not support what the Youth Pastor has done. Of course I am not perfect that's why I have Jesus He paid a high price for my sins and everyone's sins including the Youth Pastor.

Old School Foot ball comment was Is Hell Hotter. You did not get what I was saying. No it's not hell is hell regardless of our not asking Jesus to forgive us and be the Lord of our life.

I did not say this is common behavior. And he is paying the price by going to jail. He has to answer to God. And as a Christian we should pray for him. Jesus does not hate him. He can love Jesus and this is a stronghold in his life and he can get past it with God's help. How could you say he is not a Christain. Only God knows this.

Real love is forgiveness that's what Jesus does for us and He is my role model.

Believe me I know how much I mess up and that's why I have a Savior and maybe that's why I can have compassion for someone. It's just alot of people want to throw stones when a Christain does something wrong. Remember Pastors, Youth Pastors are not perfect either they are forgiven if they have asked Jesus to forgive them and be the Lord of their life. I'm supporting the Youth Pastor in prayer.

I will continue to pray for the Youth Pastor and for you. I hope and pray you do know Jesus.

Aside from the fact that no one ever said the following:
God hates him, or I hate him. Oldschool ASKED if hell was hotter for those who are false profits.

You need to admit it: You don't know what hell is like, or if he is a christian. You have no idea.

He CLAIMS to be a christian or he would not be a "Youth Pastor". Jim Jones claimed to be a Christian and the good reverend is a mass murderer.

You believe whatever you want, as for me, I believe this:

Matthew 23:13, 14 Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Therefore you will be punished more severely.

Adolph Hitler has a warmer bed in hell than your average petty thief.

I'm not sure that the reply to bpr is entirely fair.

This person is, I think, appealing to solid Christian theology about the importance of grace and forgiveness.

We are not to "judge" one another, but, clearly, this does not mean that we are not to call sin and immorality by their names. The "judging" that is precluded is a matter of writing someone off as, essentially, a "waste of skin" for what they have done.

The crime of the youth pastor is horrendous. It has disastrous consequences that not every personal fault has. And the punishment must fit the crime.

But telling the rest of us that we are not in a position to judge is quite consistent with all of this.

C.S. Lewis in his BBC talks, which became the book, MERE CHRISTIANITY, observed the difference between the "raw (psychological) materials" that each of us is handed and the will itself that acts either according to or depite such materials.

His point was that some people are graced with better raw material than others. I was raised in a home with two very loving parents,
had a happy-go-lucky childhood, never knew abuse or neglect of any kind, and was encouraged by both instruction and example to demonstrate love and respect for others. (All of this helps to explain my incredible charm. ) Others find themselves in circumstances of abuse, or, perhaps, there are genetic factors that make their contribution, such that minimal decency requires, from them, a great deal of moral effort.

If I have been handed good genes and a good upbringing, but am little more than minimally decent, then perhaps the Final Judgment against me will go worse than for the person whose "raw materials" posed difficulties, but, through moral effort, they somehow managed to overcome them at some less decent level.

My good moral fortune *should* be employed by me in such a way that I *excel* morally. My bland variety of "niceness" may be the result of efforts that are less heroic than those of the person who is not particularly nice at all.

The point, of course, is that, unlikke the Creator himself, none of us is in a position to know the intricacies of the relationship between a person's raw materials and underlying will, and so none of us is in a position to judge.

What a wonderful post. But somehow, I doubt that this guy will get it. Unfortunately, I let my frustration get the best of me and didn't respond as kindly as I could have. Oh, well, I don't think he would have grasped the point either way.

I'll quote a few scriptures for you too:

Matthew 7:1-5: Do not judge and criticize and condemn others, so that you may not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves.
For just as you judge and criticize and condemn others, you will be judged and criticized and condemned, and in accordance with the measure you use to deal out to others, it will be dealt out again to you. Why do you stare from without at the very small particle that is in you brother's eye but do not become aware of and consider the beam of timber that is in your own eye?

Is this self-righteous, judgemental criticism of yours a "smaller" sin than those of these men? Not according to God. I don't care if you are not a Christian, if you don't want the Bible used to make a point, don't use it to your advantage either.

You proud, looking down your nose people are making me sicker than what Haggart has allegedly done. Who are you to judge? It is NONE of your business, and definitely not your responsibility deal out what punishment needs to be dealt. So shut up so you won't get what you're dishing out.

Spoken like a true Christian - "So shut up so you won't get what you're dishing out". Nicely said. Here, here is more of your self-rightous indignation for :

" You proud, looking down your nose people" ... who are "... are making me sicker than what Haggart has allegedly done. Who are you to judge? It is NONE of your business, and definitely not your responsibility deal out what punishment needs to be dealt. So shut up so you won't get what you're dishing out."

Yea, who are we to condemn those who prey on children! You tell 'em Christi! Well, actually, I think you are as full of crap as your "Youth Pastor".

Judge me- go ahead - you already have judged all of us but your sick 'pastor'. In fact, you seem to be very willing to 'throw stones' at everyone but your child molesting false preacher.

Are you his mother or just a victim suffering from Stockholm Syndrome?

I knew you would think that I know this guy or go to his church. I don't. Never been to his church and will never go to his church. I would have to go back and read the article to even remember his name. This is just a cop out for you to not deal with what I said. So why don't you go back and re-read that scripture and see whether it applies to you.

I won't judge you, nor will I judge him. It is not my place. It is not your place. You are not God. Neither am I. That is my point! Nor will I condone what he did.

And I never said I was a Christian. And I still think you should shut... no, I mean be quiet. Does that make you feel better?

If you don't have a problem with any adult, especially a "youth pastor" trying to solicit sex with a 14 year old you are a sick puppy. Period.

Your moral compass is broken. I pitty you and your children - if or when you have them.

Did I say ANYWHERE in my posts that I don't have a problem with what he did??? No. I said I do not condone it. Why would I, especially coming from a criminal justice background. Either you can't read, or you're just stupid. Once again, you're avoiding the original point that I was trying to make. I'm tired of wasting my time trying to get you to 'see' it. Maybe I should pity (with one 't') YOU and YOUR children- if or when you have them. Trust me, you don't need to worry about my moral compass. It is fully intact.

If all sin is the same and all punishment is the same...how do you explain this?

Matthew 23:13, 14
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You devour widows' houses and for a show make lengthy prayers. Therefore you will be punished more severely.

Hummm...you might want to get God straightened out too. Seems every level of punishment varies but (your version of) hell. Even the criminal justice system has varying levels of punishment. I guess we are all just confused. Thanks for the enlightenment!

Feel free to opine-

Reread my posts again. I never said that all punishment is the same. Nope, didn't say it. Also, did you ever consider that the punishment referred to in this verse is for while you are alive and not the punishment in hell? Not everybody that sins goes to hell, therefore, punishment must occur here. Duh. I don't think "we're all confused". I think it's just you.

bpr--

You are right that we all have our various faults and that the core of ChristIAnity is about grace and forgiveness.

But I have to agree with Mainframe's point in the text of his post: one consequence here is that confidence in the trustworthiness of people in church programs is undermined by this sort of thing. Consider Ted Haggard, who was out front in the anti-gay rallies. The recent revelation of his own drug abuse and sexual liasons will cause incalculable damage.

I'm not sure about hell being hotter, but I do know that Jesus said that if anyone causes a child to stumble it would be better for him that a millstone be tied around his neck and he be tossed into the sea. Sounds pretty grim, if you ask me.

Give me the person who dispenses with overtly religious talk and behavior, but actually displays Christian virtues. You can have the pious frauds and pompous asses.

Apparently about half of us are totally dependent upon some kind of crutch to make it, like a "pastor," a CEO phenom, or a powerful politician. We then really get hurt when this person we worship gets caught. I said caught, not fails.
The punishment for these people is currently much less than for ordinary people who get caught. It should be much harsher if it is to deter such things. Being able to afford re-hab clinics, church counselling for years, and be paid at the same time, only makes it more delightful for other weirdos to try these things. Make no bones about it, people like Haggard, and Bakker, and Swaggard, and Crouch, and scores of others are no closer to the Creator, or Jesus, than most. They simply found a way to live graciously and be false.
The same is true about corporate crooks--not all are crooks, but too many. Young men and women should avoid the bad ones. There is no cure for politicians except term limits. The sooner the better. Religious people need to behave themselves only, and not worship men or buildings and programs.

Have to register as a sex offender.

Guess what pyschologists say is the hardest behavioral defect to cure? You got it--- pedophilia...

So with another one of these plea deals, the pervert will walk and do about 60 days in the county jail and get the rest of his 2 years erased because the state will say "we're full we can't take him yet". And because of the deal that was entered this "Pastor" can move to Idaho and team up with Ted Haggard and start The High Church of Sodomites because he was not forced to register as a sex offender. But hey guys they cleared their docket. Hooray !

I guess they did clear the docket....how sad is that!?