Vote on new school lines could be Nov. 13

Tue, 11/07/2006 - 4:16pm
By: John Thompson

After being inundated with facts and figures from school administrators, the Fayette County Board of Education could vote on new attendance lines for middle and high schools as early as Nov. 13.

The board asked staff to submit a revised proposal to them by the end of this week. During a three-and-a-half-hour meeting, it appears the only significant change may be leaving the Lakeside and Lakemont subdivisions in the Whitewater High School attendance zones, and possibly not dealing with high school zones until 2008.

Board chairman Terri Smith wondered what the repercussions would be if the high school zones were left alone until the board figured out if it wanted to build a new school or add on to the existing high schools.

“I think you’d see a number of trailers at Whitewater,” said Assistant Superintendent of Operations Sam Sweat.

But in earlier discussions, trailers are already predicted for Whitewater next year, so Smith was not sure the situation would be detrimental. Currently, the school has 14 “floating” teachers who share classrooms, so portable units will show up on the campus during the next school year.

The bigger issue concerns populating Bennett’s Mill Middle School for opening day in August. During a PowerPoint presentation, school officials told of the dire implications of having overcrowded classrooms.

The biggest impact could hit the school system’s pocketbook. Earlier in the meeting, the board asked for a waiver from the state for 38 classes that are over the state-mandated class size. Booth Middle has 19 classes on the list, while Whitewater Middle has 10 classes. If the waiver is not granted by the state, the system stands to lose nearly $600,000 in funding just for those two schools.

Another factor driving the opening of new schools is the county’s growth rate. But consultant Jerry Whittaker said the planned development of the River’s property with 1,800 homes in the county’s mid-section may not come to fruition.

“It’s my understanding the contract has been terminated,” he said.

Board member Janet Smola wondered whether rising eighth graders could be allowed to finish at their current middle school, but the staff said that would not provide many eighth graders for the new school.

Later in the evening, Smola became exasperated and wondered if the process wasn’t being rushed.

“It’s like we’re building a school and then trying to find students to put in it,” she said.

Board member Marion Key was upset with how the feeder pattern was being changed and wondered why nine elementary schools were feeding into Bennett’s Mill.

Sweat said he believed the computer program that helped calculate the boundaries took into account special permission students at school, and said the true feeder pattern would be four elementary schools.

“How many special permission students are at Whitewater High School?” questioned Smola.

School officials said there were currently 184, with 70 of the students being employees’ children.

Another issue discussed was having all of Crabapple Elementary feed into Bennett’s Mill. If the board chose to do that, it would encompass areas such as Ardenlee and require another public hearing.

“Time is of the essence here. We’ve got to hire a principal and start doing all the things that make a school a school,” Sweat said.

The board is expected to receive a revised proposal Friday. If the board places the boundary decision on Monday’s agenda, a copy of the agenda will be posted on The Citizen’s Web site this weekend.

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Submitted by makijo on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 2:03pm.

I can understand special permission for teachers and FCBOE employees but what would be the other reasons for a school to allow a student to come from out of district? And is it a given that teachers get special permission even if the school is overcrowded?

Submitted by head_ragg on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 6:20am.

If we have 184 students on "special permission" going to Whitewater High alone, I think I see where our money is going. If all were from out of county, and assuming $7000.00 a year cost to teach each one. Is that really $1,288,000.00 for one school? We have 27 schools in Fayette county. Assuming each had just 1/2 that number of special permission, or out of county, kids... that would be 92 per school times 27, or 2,484, "special permission", or a total dollar out of pocket cost for the taxpayers of $17,388,000.00? Someone tell me my math is wrong! (not my best subject) The real question to be answered is how many "special permission" kids are from out of county?

Submitted by head_ragg on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 6:25am.

wouldn't it just make more sense to cut out the workers kids from out of county, and the "special permission" kids, from out of county, all free, and give the teachers a whopping raise so we get the best and the brightest? To me, the money would be much better spent.

Submitted by ole sarge on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:12pm.

A lack of leadership has been a constant throughout the tenure of the current superintendent. The only items submitted to the Board are those that are the consensus of the staff and palatable to the Board.

Consensus leadership is just another name for polling.

Real leaders get out in front and define the goals for their organizations and plan for their accomplishment.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:11pm.

This county has gone downhill FAST in the last few years under the 'leadership' of John DeCotis.

Most of his new hires - Including the Personell Director, C.W. Campbell,the two I hear the most complaints about and several others have been hired from out of the county too.

Are they saying we don't have good people here to promote and that he has to hire from Dekalb and Clayton - or does he just want us to look more like them.

DeCotis needs to move on.

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Submitted by DragNet on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 9:53pm.

You gotta be kiding! Is Fayette turning into Gwinnett County?
Seems to me somebody has been dropping the ball on adequate planning of physical facilities for our school, or dreaming that the number of students will keep level notwithstanding growth in Fayette County. Just next door, in Coweta, things are going better, they just opened new elementary and middle schools and are building a nice extension for a 9th grade Academy in Coweta HS.

What's happening to us here in Fayette?

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 5:26pm.

What is so difficult about designing a school so that it can be easily added on to?

Why not build them with two stories?

Do we get some kind of discount from trailer wholesalers if we buy them in bulk?

It seems to me that if trailers are needed for a school that's two or three years old, poor planning is to blame.


Submitted by thrownundertheb... on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 2:09pm.

The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) has a lot to do with not building 2-story schools. You'd have to have a couple of elevators to accommodate students and staff who are unable to climb stairs and a pretty sophisticated evacuation plan in the event of a fire or some other emergency that would render elevators inoperable.

I also wanted to pass along that in doing some research prior to writing a petition to the FCBOE regarding these boundaries, I spoke with the director of the Fayette County Planning Department. I asked him a bunch of questions about population growth projections, and he was very nice and forthcoming. The Atlanta Regional Commission produces census data and projections in 10-year increments. The idea is to extrapolate to find data for the years inbetween. But he did say that the county feels that the ARC's numbers are inflated so they always adjust down. I asked if the FCBOE uses the same dataset the county does and he said maybe, but they probably have their own numbers. Either way, in light of what happened on Monday, I think it's reasonable for the FCBOE to turn over the source of the dataset used to make the case for an additional middle school, high school, and 2 elementary schools.

Submitted by vohledad on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 1:26am.

I'd like to see tax money wasted on a school that's too big, just once. Would that be so bad? Extra rooms, no crowding. Greatness. I wish I had more time to look into why our school system seems to be so poorly run...

Submitted by RT Tugger on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 5:06pm.

how many of the 114 special-permission students who are not children of school employees live in other counties, or did live in other counties until a couple of weeks ago?

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Submitted by Lego on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 8:09pm.

Only staff, committee, and BOE members could speak. If anyone from the public spoke the sheriff’s deputies would escort them out of the building. What a system! At the public meeting only the public can speak and then only for 5 mins each. At the BOE meetings only the board (and their lap dogs) can speak. Seems like this process would be easier and more efficient if we allowed a "full-duplex" conversation.


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Submitted by mainframecpu on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 5:26pm.

We have been trying to get answers to that question for months. “How many special permission students are at Whitewater High School?” questioned Smola. School officials said there were currently 184, with 70 of the students being employees’ children.

You might be interested in knowing that John Thompson doesn't see the problem and argues that they "don't cost anything extra".

Even if you ignore the "employees" children - note that they didn't say 'teacher's children' you are talking well over 100. Many of them are football players recruited by the Blue Devil Coaches.

Let's see here.... 114 additional kids = minimim four rooms, four teachers, 3,600 books, hundred parking spaces, yea- right - no problem there John Thompson!

Anyway, best of luck getting your answers. No one here has posted them yet but they are slowly leaking out - as those facts did - as they get asked by the school board members like Janet Smola.

Stirring the pot-
MainFrame


Submitted by head_ragg on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 6:33am.

"Many of them are football players recruited by the Blue Devil Coaches." If this is right, and I think you know what you are talking about, it is such an injustice to your own kids. If my kid tried out for the team and didn't make it, cause you brought out of county kids in to beef up your team, I would be screaming "fowl". The idea, I thought, was to let the kids, (ours), have the experience of playing a team sport. If this is true, you are taking away from your own kids, just for a few old men to feel macho about a team they are not even on! Where is the sportsmanship or honesty, for that matter?

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Submitted by John Thompson on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 6:06pm.

I have never said anything about additional kids costing extra money. I think you're confusing me with someone else.


Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 7:37pm.

kind of put his foot in his mouth...n told us he was gonna follow up on 1. Dixon being out of county..2. special permision kids...Go ask him what is going on...we would like to know too..

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Submitted by John Munford on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 11:57pm.

Actually I never said anything of the sort (following up on Dixon and on special permission kids). I don't cover the BOE and in case you missed it I stay pretty busy on the PTC/public safety beats.

For those of you who missed it, I asked how much the BOE would save by cutting ONE kid who began the school year living here and is in his senior year.

I got some song-and-dance reply from head_ragg but nothing of substance.

Show me how subtracting ONE student will save big bucks and I'll eat some humble pie.


Submitted by head_ragg on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 9:28am.

I think you got your people and facts confused. I said, "Someone at your paper stated he was going to write a story n get to the bottom of this, so far, it hasn't been done." I never said..YOU.. I also said how much it costs to educate each student, hence the answer. $700.00 plus a month. "the BOE says it cost $700.00 plus a month to school each Fayette county child. That was printed in your own newspaper several times." AS for as a song n dance...I don't think so. If you are mad, it was Mainframe that asked if you were smoking dope, not me. I answered you and ..(I)..wasn't nasty.

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Submitted by ILuvFayette on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 10:55am.

the 'other John'
Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 7:37pm.
kind of put his foot in his mouth...n told us he was gonna follow up on 1. Dixon being out of county..2. special permision kids...Go ask him what is going on...we would like to know too..


Submitted by head_ragg on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:26pm.

I meant the ..other reporter...Michael...sorry...
I wondered why you were so upset.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 11/08/2006 - 12:34am.

They could pass for twins.

Something like Danny DeVito and Arnold.


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Submitted by John Thompson on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 7:40pm.

Our sports editor looked into the Dixon situation.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 7:54pm.

Do you know when he might publish the results of his "looking"?

As Cal should be well aware by now, this topic was well discussed/guessed at by a large number of bloggers.

If the Citizen could/would publish accurate information on the subject, it would be greatly appreciated.


Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 7:45pm.

No one told us? I too have looked into it...it would be nice to swap answers...you are a paper..where is the secret?

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Submitted by mainframecpu on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 6:22pm.

My sincere apology to you John Thompson - I was wrong.

It was John Munford who thinks we can educate out of county students at no additional cost. John Munford wrote:

How will they save?
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Submitted by John Munford on Fri, 11/03/2006 - 2:46pm.

Let's say Dixon leaves Whitewater High. How will the BOE save $700 a month?

They're not going to fire any of his teachers, or any other school staff just because one kid is gone.

They're not going to save on utilities by turning the thermostat down in the winter. They'll use just as much electricity as if Dixon never was there.

So please explain to me in REAL LIFE terms, not on paper, exactly how getting rid of Dixon will save $700 a month in cold, hard cash. I just don't see it.

Again, I attributed the comments to the wrong person (John) and I apologize for my error!

Stirring the pot - with short term memory loss!?
MainFrame


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 6:16pm.

Smiling


Submitted by fcteacher on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 5:55pm.

Based upon your comment:

I really don't need a history lesson about Fayette County - I have lived here my entire life and so has my family (That sees your 35 and raises you about 30 more).

You should be able to find out what's going on. You know everybody, right? All the good old boys that "run the show?" Fill us in...I'd love to know what is really going on.

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Submitted by mainframecpu on Tue, 11/07/2006 - 6:33pm.

I won't dignify your sarcastic assumptions with a response other than to ask you a question.

From my quote (you did mean to quote me didn't you)

"I really don't need a history lesson about Fayette County - I have lived here my entire life and so has my family (That sees your 35 and raises you about 30 more)."

How did you ever conclude the following:

A.) You assume I know "everybody".
B.) You assume I know the "good old boys".
C.) You assume "boys" run the show?

That's a lot of assumptions for an 'educated' person to make.

Stirring the pot-
MainFrame


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