Logsdon: ‘PTC votes overwhelmingly for change’

Tue, 11/15/2005 - 5:30pm
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I want to take this opportunity to thank the many citizens of our great city who called for a change on Election Day by casting their vote for me. Almost 80 Percent of our voters cast a ballot to bring back respectability to Peachtree City.

This overwhelming show of support has convinced me of the deep desire this community has for leadership, fiscal responsibility, and a better quality of life.

You have seen fit to help my campaign move forward to the final round, and we will need your help again when the runoff election is held on Dec. 6. We must maintain our momentum, and together we will bring a change for the better to Peachtree City.

Over the next month I want to continue to hear from the citizens of Peachtree City. Please take time to check out my stances on issues critical to PTC at www.haroldlogsdon.org or give me a call at 770-487-8336.

Thanks once again for your support, and please remember to vote on Dec. 6, 2005.

Harold Logsdon
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by KraftyFla on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 4:31pm.

It would be very easy for Mr. Logsdon to respond on line. He just refuses to do it, just like he refused to debate. He is not interested in what we have to say and he is not interested in anwering questions. Like SandiSue said--- email him with a question; no response. Email him with your wallet out, he responds. I just want him to answer one question: You promise huge increases in spending and huge cuts in spending--- provide with any details. Your literature and website are empty. Dar Thompson, Dan Tennant and Steve Brown all participated on line and answered questions. With a paid political operative, Logsdon surely could do the same. It's just like with the debate--- he refuses to do it.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 4:44pm.

I'm missing them (see my previous post here):


Basically, he doesn't state that he is promising increasing services and decreasing spending. Please show me where it does.

I'm beginning to think some bloggers had trouble with reading comprehension in school and "surmised" the whole based on what they "think" they read.

Please - prove me wrong.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 12:46pm.

Mr. Logsdon. I simply don't know who you are.

Position papers do not the man, or mayor, make.

Thanking those who voted for you is appropriate. Implying that you received a mandate is not. You did not.

You did not receive a majority of votes cast. Only a plurality of the 35% who voted.

And let us face it. Only 35% really shows no true enthusiasm for any of the candidates. Including you.

To be honest, I have a big problem with any candidate who plays the political game of not debating because they feel they have no need to. That shows a callousness toward the citizens, meaning your concern is you getting elected over the people you will represent.

Your comments toward the students hosting the debate was distasteful to me. As mayor part of your job is to be concerned for the youth, academically and otherwise.

I don't know who you are. I don't know if you care about citizens beyond political rhetoric. And I sure don't like the notion of glossing over old errors, like the Tennis Court fiasco, as if those responsible get to walk away without repercussions, at the cost of the citizens, the vast majority of which do not use such but would be paying fo it.

Just not being Brown is not a reason for me to vote for you. Brown, with all his faults, has done some things I have wanted to see done for many years that were not done under the old "regimes of civility."

If it takes being uncivil to get it done, then so be it.

The debate would have been a good time for you to show men how you could deal face to face and head on unscripted with others. But you did not give the opportunity.

So I don't know who you are, how you will react under unscripted pressures and if you can think on your feet.

I just don't know who you are and cannot vote for you unless I do.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 2:55pm.

PTC Guy, I hope that your opinion is not designed to sway others. If it is, your advocacy could equate you to the Martha Burke of Peachtree City political discussions, and you may need to be sent to your designated space to leave the rest of us alone. (Yes, I'm MEAN!)

First off, I have never met George Bush, and I met Sonny Perdue once after I voted for him (in Peachtree City, fancy that!). I voted for both of them based on their platforms and their positions, which I researched based on the media; I never watched a debate. So, your assertion that you have to "know the man" to vote for him is quite simply not something many who vote do.

And, for those who vote, 35% in a municipal election is actually a REALLY good number. Municipal elections in Peachtree City are held every two years; if you do the math, this means that you may never see 50-60% turnout as you would with a state/national level election. Quite frankly, people don't care about municipal government, which is quite sad, as it is the one that most affects their daily lives. That all said, more people voted for Harold Logsdon than anyone else in the election. Plurality or not, Harold was picked by more than others. Politics have created the runoff situation we are in now.

As for politics, well, these are politicans, right? If you think Brown isn't a politician, you don't read the papers or watch TV. So, if it's "politically" smart to avoid a debate with a man perceived by some as categorically mad, I would agree with Mr. Logsdon's response.

As for the "disrespect" for the teens who were "mobilized" for the debate, did you hear the exact comments made by Mr. Logsdon? Well, you haven't met him, so I guess not???

Perhaps the youth should have introduced themselves in a manner slightly above Jehoviah Witnesses and door-to-door salesmen. I know if two high schoolers came on my lawn, I wouldn't answer the door.

OK, to recap - would I be correct in stating you like Mr. Brown because he looks out for the little man? If that is the case, you may wish to remember that most of Peachtree City does not contain "little men". The downtrodden and unrepresented of Peachtree City do not exist. City Hall is open every day with a phone number, a web site and a mailing address. If only 8000 "citizens" vote, then they are the only ones who really care. If more really cared, why didn't they show up in November on the day where it mattered most?

Steve, the people spoke on Election Day. They want you gone. On December 6, they'll say it again.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 3:20pm.

You have seen and responded to enough of my other posts to be answer your own questions you posted to me here.

PTC Guy, I hope that your opinion is not designed to sway others.

Please, get over the semantical game playing. You are not very good at it.

You are on here to sway people. You really leave no room for Brown to do anything but quit and go jump off a cliff.

I have asked questions about Logsdon and received nothing but personal opinion from such as you. Which normally involves attacking Brown as if that answers issues about Logdson. It does not.

I make my statements here about Logsdon and ask questions. Your answer, go after Brown, me and enter the spin zone to redefine points to be pro Logsdon.

I guess you don't get it. I want answers from Lodgson, not you, to put it politely.

If he is the candidate you promote him to be my questions would never have been asked, you would have had no need to attack Brown in response and there would have been no opportunity to go after me because I would never have posted if the answers had been out there as claimed.

I don't mean to seem impolite. But you are not Lodsdon. And Logsdon has not satisfied one of many issues with him.

Yes, he may win. And if he does that is kind of late to find out he is a King in the Castle politician returning to the good ole days of civility by doing all behind closed doors.

But if he is not such a person, he should not be acting like one now.

Let him come on the paper and start an "Ask Logsdon" blog. First question from me is exactly where does he plan to cut spending to hold the line on taxes?

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 3:37pm.

...you and I are both promoting our views. I believe my views are more indicative of the larger voting base, but you are entitled to your opinion, as am I. I do not simply sling mud at Brown, as you imply. I also evaluate both candidates' issues and make my decisions based on what I read, see and hear. And I don't think Brown should jump off a cliff - he should just quit before he is defeated in three weeks. He has a role in the government policy - outsider, pundit, looking in.

I don't believe Mr. Logsdon is posting to this blog. Please do us all a favor - call him at 770-487-8336 and stop slinging your mud. If you do that, and then post your answers when you get them here, I'll curtail my responses to your slant on things, including statements like "And if he does that is kind of late to find out he is a King in the Castle politician returning to the good ole days of civility by doing all behind closed doors". So, if you continue, hope you don't mind if I do too.

By the way - your questions regarding Logsdon aside, you never seem to answer any of my questions. Did you go to the candidate forums? Did you go to the debate? As there is a good possibility, as I stated before, that Logsdon doesn't spend his days blogging away as we seem to, he may not answer your questions in an electronic forum. Will you only accept an answer to your question if it is answered in the forum you want (in an email, etc.) If you really cared, why don't you call him?

Semantics - many different ways to say the same thing. Vote Logsdon on December 6!

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 4:15pm.

Calling and reporting an answer here that turns out unpopular or evasive will simply be rejected by you and others as me spinning the answer. Or possibly Logsdon denying he said what he said later.

So that approach is really moot of value.

Try it. YOU call and ask him how he will cut current spending to pay for everything needed while keeping taxes current or lower.

But reviewing the way things are done now is not an answer since he already told us he can pull it off. To pull it off he must already know where the weaknesses and such are that can be corrected and save us the money needed to not require more taxes while getting it all done starting now.

Report it back here to me without any spin, addition, deletion or commentary. Shoe on the other foot makes that an uncomfortable thought doesn't it?

And, in addition, tell me if you think it is an actual answer or a goal cloaked in promises he does or does not know he can actually keep.

Just telling me he is a retired auditor for Bell South and National Guard Colonel doesn't mean squat that it is actually there to pull off just because he says he will find something.

I agree I am promoting my views, which means if Logsdon pops up and answers in ways that I agree with and am satisfied I would vote for him.

Again, I do not like all Brown has done and believe his style needs help.

But at least on every issue I have looked into I know what he believes, know what he as done or would like to do in specific and have been able to meet with him in group settings with other concerned citizens.

I cannot say that about Logsdon. As the challenger debate is his platform to satisfy me on that point. He refuses.

You just don't seem to get it. Posting answers to forum questions, such as the Chamber of Commerce is not debate. Stating what a goal is does not constitute an explanation of how to get the job done.

I have been to some forums and not to others. I have read the published materials, web sites and so on. And I am here asking questions that remain unanswered by any of them.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 4:31pm.

That's what I was looking for.

I will not be asking Mr. Logsdon for more specific answers to your questions, as I believe he has answered them to the best of his ability at this juncture, and, as I stated before I do not believe he reads this forum.

Now, just to grate you even more...

This, according to his website, is what he will do regarding finances in Peachtree City:

"Financial Accountability: One of the most important duties of any elected official is the transparent and efficient use of taxpayer dollars. The budgeting of taxpayer revenues and resource
management are among the most vital roles for the next Mayor of Peachtree City. I want to use my 36 years of experience in professional financial planning and fraud investigation to make informed decisions with our tax dollars. The controversies surrounding the appropriation of city tax dollars, and
the management of resources have left question marks surrounding our current government. I want to bring stability and experience to the management of our resources as your next Mayor."

Never states he will cut current spending to pay for everything needed while keeping taxes current or lower.

"Controlling Spending: Peachtree City has seen tax increases every year since Mayor Brown took office. This year we faced another 4.5% increase while visible signs of infrastructure problems continue to appear. I want to use my experience in financial planning and business operations to help better manage our budget and reduce the tax burden for our citizens."

Never states he will cut current spending to pay for everything needed while keeping taxes current or lower.

"Individual Department Audits: One way to control spending and evaluate government programs is zero-based budgeting. By starting from zero in each department, working closely with
individual department heads, and highlighting our most pressing needs we can better manage our resources while simultaneously identifying waste in our budget."

Never states he will cut current spending to pay for everything needed while keeping taxes current or lower. And I think the City's already doing that, and no, Steve Brown didn't think of it.

OK, let's go to the Citizen forums. Maybe he says it there.

"As such, we must always do our best to eliminate wasteful spending in government. Your tax dollars are not a slush fund; they are a sacred trust that must be used wisely. My skills as a Certified Internal Auditor and my experience in fraud investigation and business operations will serve our community well as I analyze city government for efficiency and effectiveness. I will bring a sense of urgency to this task, and I won’t rest until every penny is accounted for."

Never states he will cut current spending to pay for everything needed while keeping taxes current or lower.

"Financial accountability, sensible budgeting, and resource management are among the most vital roles of our next mayor. We’ve seen tax increases for four consecutive years, while visible signs of infrastructure problems continue to appear. This signals a lack of financial responsibility in our current administration.

I want to use my experience as a certified internal auditor, fraud investigator, and business operations manager to evaluate our city government for efficiency, as well as to better manage our budget. This way we can stabilize and work to reduce the tax burden on our citizens."

Never states he will cut current spending to pay for everything needed while keeping taxes current or lower.

So, what's the basis for your question? You're asking a question on a statement I don't see he made. Can you please educate me as to when he made the statement that sparked your question?

I know, I know...semantics.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 6:03pm.

You just quoted position papers, idontknow.

He says he will freeze taxes or lower them and still get all the work done, current and upcoming. That is rhetoric. No specifics offered.

He says infrastructure is deteriorating and he will fix it without raising taxes. Maybe even lowering taxes! More non specific rhetoric.

And so on. We are just going to get it all done with no spending cuts or tax increases. This including the new infrastructure failures appearing regularly.

Says all of this but will not put himself into a debate forum in public where that feared question will be asked, "Give us some concrete examples of inefficiencies you see in the government now and how you will change things to get all the current work plus new work done using the current or lower revenues generated at the current or lower tax rates?"

He has said nothing tangible.

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Submitted by DanTennant on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 12:53pm.

PTC Guy, I don't know who you are either, but you make no sense in your claiming not to know Logsdon. Have you been under a rock for the past year? Geez, Harold has been EVERYWHERE campaigning and getting his message across. If you still feel like you don't know him, you are to blame, not Harold.

Nonetheless, Harold is very reachable and is happy to either answer your questions on the phone or meet with you. Honestly, if you feel like you need more info, and that is fine, pick up the phone and fire away with your questions. I know he'll be happy to respond.

Dan Tennant

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 1:07pm.

I have not been under a rock.

So, I am fully aware of your distaste for Brown and so on. Even more so I have been fully aware of you and thus I didn't vote for you.

But I do have to give it to you that you made yourself known and was out there in the open. For that I compliment you.

Hmmmm. I tried contacting Logsdon by email. No response until public ally stated was no response. As with others.

I don't want position papers. All you guys had those.

I want to see him stand toe to toe with his opponent and debate it out. That would show me how he handles himself face to face. And that he will do it in public for his good or bad.

Many important meetings are not going to behind closed doors one on one. Decision making better not be behind closed doors one on one.

I have met with Lenox in the past one on one and in groups. I have also done so with Brown.

Logsdon will not do it. That is a problem.

Submitted by Don Campbell on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 12:06pm.

Mr. Logsdon

Your letter states that "Almost 80 Percent of our voters cast a ballot to bring back respectability to Peachtree City." I could say that 100% of the voters who voted did so to "bring back respectability to Peachtree City."

"This overwhelming show of support" (implying that it's for you) is simply a lie. You only received 42% of the 30% of voters who turned out...quite a small number indeed. You received 3120 votes you competitors received 4311, hardly an overwhelming number supporting you. You quote ‘PTC votes overwhelmingly for change’is IMHO a deliberate distortion...what do you other voters think?

Your web page states "West Side Annexation: The 360 acres on the West Side must be protected and properly
developed to our standards, and not left to private interest. Controlling the processes of alleviating
traffic and the quality of development are critical to this decision"

This papers own polls show a huge disagreement on the issue...it is obvious to me that the original charter that contained very specific growth definitions is of no value to you. I believe if some developer wants to build "next door" to Peachtree City should have a plan to develop their own city government, police, schools and taxation plans.

Maybe there is another nearby county who would like to take that on.

I sometimes wonder if I am one of the only people left who care about the original charter and why it was a major reason for me to move here many years ago.

Registered voters need to be reminded they CAN vote in the runoff...what would 40% or 50% do to your numbers Mr. Logdson?

Don Campbell

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Submitted by DanTennant on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 12:42pm.

Hey Don, I am curious as to exactly how convincing a show Harold would have to display to impress you.

The guy got 40% of the vote in a six man race. It's not his fault that 2/3 of the people didn't bother to vote. It's the fault of the lazy and or careless citizens who chose not to exercise their most precious right. Nonetheless, it is reasonable to conclude that Harold's overwhelming numbers are statistically accurate had the entire 20,000+ registered voters actually voted. Heck, I could make the same stupid claim that Brown does that the people who stayed home would have actually voted for him, but that is absurd. Brown is in for the pasting of his life.

It is true that the online poll here showed me winning, but there were only 200 votes out of 20,000 registered voters, which is NOT statistically accurate.

Dana and I have have made our points about the pros and cons of annexation in this forum, and while we don't agree, I think we respect each other's view. Based on where Dana lives in town, I can more readily understand why he is in favor of annexation, but it's still not a good idea. Shoot, the online poll here shows that almost 60% of the people do not want annexation at any cost, yet I was the only one holding to that stand, so I guess the poll again does not reflect reality. Or it reflects a hell of a lot of ignorance.

Anyhow, you are about to see a mayor be sworn in that WILL abide by the city charter beginning January 1, and his name is Harold Logsdon.

Dan Tennant

Submitted by dkinser on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 12:30pm.

Mr. Campbell,

The master plan was trashed years ago by previous administrations. The master plan expected the population to be 80,000 at build out and we aren't even half way there. I guess that it is ok by some to overlook certain portions of the master plan while rigidly standing by it in other areas.

This selective enforcement is how we got where we are today. The bubble of land needs to be annexed by Peachtree City. It can be shared with Tyrone so that we don't have to take on the entire tract, but this land will develop. Annexation is the only way that the City has any voice over what goes in and on that property.

As for the paper's poll, one shouldn't put too much credence into it as they had Dan Tennant winning by a landslide.

Dana Kinser

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Submitted by DanTennant on Sun, 11/20/2005 - 12:57pm.

The online poll had me winning by a landslide??? Good grief, it was 32%. Not exactly a landslide, Dana. You 've been real good about sticking to the FACTS in this forum, don't start wandering now...

Dan Tennant

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