Getting into Iraq: A record of what Bush Administration said about reasons

Tue, 10/31/2006 - 5:02pm
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Mr. Hoffman cites his “unassailable logic” implying that Democrats are in agreement with the terrorists if they want to leave Iraq. Apparently he would want to remain there forever to avoid falling into the same trap. However, I was enjoying the letter until I got to the part where he wrote, “Critics selectively remember what the Bush administration said and did not say leading up to the war (there was never a claim of Saddam and al Qaeda being connected during that period).”

Sigh.

In a February 2002 weekly radio address, President Bush said, “Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training.” This information came from Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, a captured terrorist who had been transferred from FBI custody to the CIA and taken to Egypt to be tortured, including water-boarding. The FBI strenuously fought the transfer, taking the case all the way to FBI Director Robert Mueller.

It was later revealed in a Defense Intelligence Agency official intelligence report labeled DITSUM No. 044-02 from earlier in February 2002 that it was probable that because of being tortured, the prisoner al-Libi, “was intentionally misleading the debriefers” in making claims about Iraqi support for al Qaeda’s work with illicit weapons and that “al-Libi was in no position to know the information he was revealing.” Mr. al-Libi is currently in custody at Guantanamo Bay although the FBI has announced that due to the torture he underwent, they have no prospects for prosecuting him.

In spite of the fact that the DIA had reported that the information was false, President Bush again referred to the al-Libi information in a major speech in Cincinnati in October 2002 when he said that “we’ve learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb making and poisons and gases.”

On Aug. 20, 2002, at a Department of Defense news briefing, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld said, “I have said for some time that there are al Qaeda in Iraq, and there are.”

On Sept. 25, 2002, the Office of the Press Secretary released a statement in which President Bush said, “You can’t distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror.”

Condoleezza Rice on Sept. 25, 2002, said, “There clearly are contacts between al Qaeda and Iraq that can be documented ... and there’s a relationship there.” Michael Scheuer, former head of the CIA’s bin Laden hunting group described efforts to substantiate the claim including examining 75,000 pages of information before concluding, “There was no connection between al Qaeda and Saddam.”

A U.S. Department of Defense news article issued by the American Forces Information Service Sept. 27, 2002, quoted a speech in Atlanta by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld who said, “The link between al Qaeda terrorists and Iraq is accurate and not debatable.”

In his Sept. 28, 2002, radio address to the nation, President Bush said, “The regime has long-standing and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are al Qaeda terrorists inside Iraq. This regime is seeking a nuclear bomb, and with fissile material could build one within a year.”

On Feb. 8, 2003, the White House Web site posted a speech by President Bush in which he said, “Saddam Hussein has long-standing, direct and continuing ties to terrorist networks. Senior members of Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda have met at least eight times since the early 1990s. Iraq has sent bomb-making and document forgery experts to work with al Qaeda. Iraq has also provided al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training. And an al Qaeda operative was sent to Iraq several times in the late 1990s for help in acquiring poisons and gases.”

Appearing on Meet the Press March 9, 2003, Secretary of State Colin Powell, referring to Iraq, said, “We have seen connections and we are continuing to pursue those connections ... and the fact that there is also an al Qaeda connection.”

The same day on CBS Face the Nation, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice said, “Now the al Qaeda is an organization that’s quite disbursed and —and quite widespread in its effects, but it clearly has had links to the Iraqis.”

President Bush sent a letter to Congress on March 19, 2003 saying that the Iraq war was permitted specifically under legislation that authorized force against nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on Sept. 11.

“Operation Iraqi Freedom” began March 20, 2003.

The 9/11 Commission reported that it had found no “collaborative relationship” between Iraq and al Qaeda.

I believe that reasonable people can disagree about Iraq. However, let’s not as Mr. Hoffman so eloquently put it, “selectively remember what the Bush administration said and did not say leading up to the war.”

Jeff Carter
Peachtree City, Ga.

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Submitted by AMDG on Sun, 11/05/2006 - 9:05pm.

Jeff,
You proved me wrong. I admit it.
But the main point of my article--that calling for immediate withdrawal from Iraq makes you in agreement with the terrorists and gives them encouragement--went unadressed.
I was wrong because I honestly forgot and was guilty of the selective remembering of which I accused some of Bush's critics. I still maintain they do so and forget inconvenient little details like Hussein violating the cease-fire, thus making the resumption of hostilities logically permissible.
Just because I do not have full command of the facts (and very few do) doesn't mean my entire argument is wrong. It just means I made a mistake.
Peace and Love,
Trey

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Submitted by JeffC on Mon, 11/06/2006 - 12:54pm.

I enjoy sparring with you, as you can see all I need is one tiny opening but you made me do quite a bit of research. I hope you saw the attack I unleashed on your newest letter; trying to push some of your buttons. Don't forget to vote tomorrow.
War is not the Answer,
Jeff


Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 11/02/2006 - 9:30am.

Jeff,

Why are you and your terrorist appeasing father always willing to give people that want us dead the benefit of the doubt?

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 11/04/2006 - 12:08am.

If you cannot actually add anything constructive to these boards, GO AWAY AND LEAVE ADULT CONVERSATION TO ADULTS! Yes, that was said with raised voice. This is how you scold stubborn, ignorant, infantile types which you have proved repeatedly to be. You are using a rubber stamp marked "I'm an idiot." These are strong words, but you need to find someone literate and have them read this to you followed by Mr. Carter's original smack down to the factually bankrupt Terry Hoffman.
Go pick up The Air Force, or Army, or Navy, or Coast Guard Times and read what the voice of military families LIKE MINE have to say about Donald Rumsfeld. They are asking directly for Donald Rumsfeld's resignation or firing. That is an "unfortunate truth" for you I'm sure. Are we all terrorist appeasers? Have I missed you out here on the battlefield? Exactly what have you risked for this country, and how is your opinion of how one should exercise their freedom so vastly different from mine? Do something creative like defending Reverend Ted Haggard's right to buy massages and crystal meth from male prostitutes. That will be more your speed. I must try to ignore you, because I don't want to choke on ugly feelings. I need another tylenol! Oye Oye Oye!

Kevin Hack King


Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 12:22pm.

Hack,

The question was not addressed to you, so WHY ARE YOU RESPONDING?
Just buzzoff, jaggoff

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 6:32pm.

The less you say, the less we will know of your putrid inner workings. You have great one liners that add nothing but bile to honest debates. Your response to last week's story of a search for a jewelry thief described as a black male, "What a shock." You attack Mr. Carter's father as a terrorist appeaser. You rile up the UNFLAPPABLE mainframe. You are a cancer and I consider myself a big freakin load of T cells and Chemo. Deal with it or leave. You need an antedote and we are all here to help. Consider us your intervention.

Hack King


Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 11/15/2006 - 8:21am.

That's interesting, Hack, because I always thought of you as a hemorrhoid and consider myself as a tube of Preporation H.

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http://www.thecitizen.com/node/2812
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Submitted by mainframecpu on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 7:49pm.

That was supposed to contain some source codes..... forget it. Brain Fart.

Eye-wink

MainFrame


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Submitted by mainframecpu on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 1:42pm.

This is a public blog. If you have something you want to ask someone in private - I recommend you do just that - ask in private - via email would be appropriate in that regard.

Hack not only has the right to answer your comments, most of us like to hear all sides of a discussion - not just one or two.

I am sure based on your past comments you have some chioce words for me so go for it- regardless - allow others to 'chime in' it is after all a public blog.

Give me liberty of give me death!
MainFrame


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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 12:42pm.

Please see my entry below, "Terrorists Appeasers?" It was written requesting clarification of your post and I have not seen your response.


Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 12:59pm.

Jeff,
I didn't call you a terroist appeaser. I called Jimmy Carter a terrorist appeaser.

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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 1:26pm.

I re-read your post and you are right, you were clearly referring to Dad and not me. Perhaps you could cite a specific instance to back up your accusation, else I might just write off the comment as another of your hallucinatory fantasies.

Peace and Love
Jeff


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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 11/03/2006 - 11:23pm.

I quote President Bush, the Defense Intelligence Agency, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld, National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, American Forces Information Service, the White House Web site, Secretary of State Colin Powell and the 9/11 Commission and this makes me a terrorist appeaser? I know that it hurts for someone to review and present actual facts instead of the wishful fantasies abounding in the world you live in, but really, what is your objection? Do you deny any of these actual quotes? Or does it just make you uncomfortable that I have references to things that really actually happened? The world is not made new with every sunrise; as unfortunate as that may be for you. Reality. Facts. I apologize for bring them into your life.


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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 1:41pm.

I don't know any of you...but..tt I have to say most of you are too smart for me. I wouldn't dare debate you. I do enjoy your back and forth banter! One thing, I was just told to log on to... frontpagemagazine.com I did and watched the video re terrorists. Scared the stuffing out of me. Have any of you heard of this site? Have you watched the video? Lets hear some back and forth on this!
God bless all of you!


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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 2:49pm.

I am familiar with FrontPageMagazine. Half their stuff is hate-mongering against my family so I generally avoid it. I find that serious discussions about issues which concern them are better argued without their slant, so I respectfully decline. But thanks anyway!


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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 3:00pm.

Your family???? I only watched the 12 min. video, then got off there. Like I said...it scared the stuffing out of me!
God Bless


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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 4:38pm.

Good for you. Incidentally, my family probably wasn't in their terrorist video although I have not watched it to be certain. Mr. Horowitz does not like for anyone to disagree with his political philosophy. Especially when they are right and do so publically.


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Submitted by mainframecpu on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 5:12pm.

Might I suggest this site and video

It is not supposed to be a political site and does not place blame on anyone. It certainly does not mention your family Jeff.

This is the very interesting 12 minute video clip that you are hearing and reading about RADICAL islam (not Islam).

Watching he pot-
MainFrame


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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 11/09/2006 - 7:42pm.

Jeff, why in the world would your family be in this video?? This is a bunch of crazy radicals. I believe you when you say you haven't seen it. Mainframe...you are just plain funny sometimes!! I enjoy your comments! (most of them anyway) God Bless


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Submitted by birdman on Mon, 11/06/2006 - 8:46am.

Jeff,
Your letters are remarkably factual and unemotional especially considering all the attacks and blame towards your Dad. Funny the conservatives never question the support given Saddam under the Reagan administration but can't resist blaming your Dad and Clinton for all our problems. That aside, it is distressing that supposedly "educated" men and women can always support the incompetence and deception of the Bush administration with "yea but...." Regardless of the truth they will support this misadventure with no regard. It is the entire Rove theory of re-election, "you are with us or a terrorist," "if you elect them we will be hit again," "Democrats will raise your taxes," "they have no strategy," "they are all cut and run," etc. Never do they wonder exactly why we invaded Iraq. I have too many friends who still think we will find WMDs. In fact I have one friend who told me they actually found the WMDs but for security reasons aren't admitting to it! Can't fight that frame of mind.
Keep up the good work. You are one who writes from documented fact and not emotion. Your letters and blogs are first rate and factual. You are a voice of reason for many of us. Don't let the "lemmings" who are headed for the cliff to get to you. When they can't win with facts and logic, they resort to insults. That's where they are.


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