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I have, for many years, been overwhelmingly disguted with one important issue in our society today. There are millions of people who rely on Medicaid programs, Welfare, and food stamps to support their families. Many children are raised in poverty, living off the government, because Mom and Dad can't support the eight children they have. Or perhaps Mom has five kids, each with a different father... And she must stay home and drain our tax dollars because she can't work. Whatever the circumstances may be, these people who procreate at alarmingly irresponsible rates really test my patience. They generally don't use birth control, have numerous children, and head down to the Health Department for a handout. They know Uncle Sam will pick up the tab. Now don't get me wrong, I know some people need help sometimes, which is fine. But many have no responsibility for themselves or their families, and live off the system throughout their lives, only to have their own children repeat the cycle. Or what about the people who have children and are abusive or neglectful to them. Perhaps they never really wanted children in the first place, so they use their children as punching bags... Or maybe, Mom and Dad are criminals, and the child will have no hope of ever having a normal family life with their parents locked up for a lifetime...
My point is, there are MILLIONS of people in this country who have NO business reproducing. They have numerous children that they may not even want, or be able to support. It is a drain on our society and our culture. Billions of taxpayer dollars are wasted annually for these people who have nothing to offer the world, much less a child. Which is why, as I have proposed for years, (though somewhat jokingly), that the government require Reproduction Licenses. Now, before you all start in on me, I KNOW this will NEVER actually happen. But it would be nice. We wouldn't have all the welfare mothers and babies, abused kids, etc, etc. If there was an extensive screening process for potential parents which included ability to support (emotionally and financially), desire to have, and fitness of parenting skills, we would have a much better society. Just an idea... But I think a good one. What do y'all think?

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Variation of your idea

Submitted by Carolina76Girl on Mon, 10/30/2006 - 3:16pm.

What about…. In order to receive government funds, you must be on birth control? The IUD method is a 5 year birth control method that could help the mother get on her feet before reproducing another child. This is implanted into the mother, so she can’t miss a pill.
There would have to be guidelines. She would maybe have to forfeit her right to any more funds if she came off the medication.
Of course some one will say this will lead to unprotected sex, and disease and all kinds of other things. But it might be a start.

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Submitted by kemets on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 2:19pm.

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May we live long and die out.
Peace. (*

Wow Kemets

Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 7:59pm.

They remind me of an Islamic Cleric. Everyone must sacrifice themselves and their children for Allah. Except of course us Muslim fanatic leaders who need to stay alive to carry on the message.

These guys want to eliminate the vast majority of the population to save the earth. Yet they have found justification to prevent and eliminate babies from being born while keeping themselves alive...for the cause.

Please tell me you're not one of them Kemet? Smiling You should have started your own blog with a link for this one.

Sad, but true

Submitted by head_ragg on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 9:25am.

The welfare programs etc were designed to help the less fortunate and down on their luck. In thought, it is good, and none of us would begrudge the ones truly deserving. However, the system has been so abused, it doesn't even resemble itself anymore. In another blog here, I said I wouldn't rent to sec 8 housing, right on wrong, I feel that way because of the abuse I have seen. You can't do anything about the people "on the system" cause the civil liberties people would be on your butt in a heartbeat.
Half support the other half. I will tell you a funny along these lines. I was in Publix a few months ago. The people who work there are extremely nice and I have gotten to know most of them. Anyway, a woman in line in front of me was so abusive to the cashier that she had her crying. It was all over something called WICS, a program like food stamps. The well dressed woman clearly enjoyed being nasty to the kids working there. I listen till I could take it no longer, and joined the fight. I said everything to the woman, people are saying here, and more. I totally enjoyed myself. She left the store in a huff. When I got in my car, I noticed her drive off in an expensive car. She drove off into the half million dollar houses right there behind Publix in Tyrone! Oh well...

Another great example

Submitted by Emmyjune on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 11:52am.

A colleague and I were discussing this topic the other day, when he told me an interesting story. Back in high school, he worked the cash register at a local discount grocery store. They had a great deal of people come through who paid with food stamps. One day, a black woman came in with about five kids, and proceeded to check-out with two full shopping carts. When she put two enormous bags of dog food and a bag of dog bones on the conveyor belt, my friend, Paul, told her she would have to pay cash for them, because they weren't covered under the food stamp guidelines. She got irritated, picked them up, and told him to wait. A few minutes later, she returned with about twenty packs of sirloin steaks, put them on the belt, and said "I guess my dogs are gonna eat good tonight!" And apparently, meat products of any kind are acceptable under food stamp guidelines. She happily left, with all five kids in tow... Does that disgust anyone else as much as it does me?

Furry Child

Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 12:49pm.

Well, I do have to admit that my dog is not just any dog. She is my hairy child. That dog sits at the table and waits on her plate. We treat her like a princess.. After saying that I just want you to know that we do not pay for our food with food stamps. If you are on welfare and cant afford to feed your kids without government assistance then you sure as hell don't need animals.

Reproduction Licenses?

Submitted by muddle on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 10:45am.

I didn't miss the "tongue-in-cheek" caveat. But, with that, I take it that there is some kernel of seriousness in your suggestion.

How, exactly, would this go? If unlicensed, might one get a ticket for, say, copulating without a condom? Might one's bedroom be subject to surprise visits from state officials?

Photo: College antics, circa 1978.

Free loading baby maker!

Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 8:37am.

I knew a lady that kept having kids so her check would be bigger every month. Several years ago when I ran into her she was up to 7 kids. Now she probably has 10 or more. That really pisses me off that I work hard and try to raise my kids right but then you have the free loader that keeps having kids and lives off the government! WTH?

If I'm not mistaken,

Submitted by christi on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 5:56pm.

a law has been passed, not sure if it's state or federal, that the government will only give people money for a certain amount of kids, in order to stop these scum from having the kids just for the money. I believe it's called the 'family cap'.

And, hey, while we're at it, in the reproduction license application, people with only a certain I.Q. or higher may qualify. Smiling

Kids on stamps

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 7:02pm.

I do hope not too many of you complainers about people with too many kids aren't Catholic. I don't think the church mentions how much money you must have before you can have a baby. I think the Mormons and the Muslims have similar thoughts. Also, ignorance doesn't seem to come into play either with religion.
The Nazis did try to weed out people they didn't like or want to feed, or put into the hospital. They even thought of breeding the ignorance and bad features out. It didn't work very well.
Anyway, if the Creator is responsible for all life (babies are a human at conception, same hour as the sex) what right would we have to be critical about the number? To have children just for the money doesn't make much sense unless you are ignorant, because one costs more than you get to raise him!
We put as many of these ignorant people into jails as we have jails to hold them, unless of course they are corporate executives (who aren't ignorant--then we don't)because they cost a lot in the unbarred country club jails to hold, and we admire go-getters.
It would however be an interesting world if we were ALL smart, had adequate money to support ourself and our kids, but wouldn't that mean some of us would necessarily have to have less for them to have more? Just where do you think your excess money comes from, maybe they print it special for you because you are smart?

Yes, the Creator is responsible for all life

Submitted by christi on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 6:14am.

but He also gave us brains to use for wisdom, not to have sex without any thought to getting pregnant. If you can't afford 10 babies, don't have them. I don't have "excess" money, and I know that to have more children would not be wise.

And surely you have heard of these people that have kids for the check? It happens all the time. Do you live in your own little world?

christi: for the check

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sun, 10/29/2006 - 7:50am.

Why would the Creator create a kid for the check? I try hard not to judge ignorant people, and the ones who are not so ignorant, for the quantity of children they have. Would you care how many kids Bill Gates has? No, I'm sure. Then it would seem the important thing is how much money is available to raise children, AND how much YOU will have to help. I know you are thinking that kids raised without the proper instruction and enough money get into more trouble, and they do. But enough money and enough education doesn't keep us from having really big crooks in corporate America, does it? We simply have to be tolerant of ignorance and share more until a way is generated so everyone can be as perfect as you and I are.

Sterilize Free Loaders

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 8:45am.

Before they get the first welfare check they should have mandatory surgical sterilization. Otherwise no money.

I agree skyspy

Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 9:06am.

100% agree! My kids wear nice clothes and don't get free lunch. Of course everyone struggles from time to time with bills etc...but it's called life and responsibility. I was so mad the other day because this boy at my daughters school asked her for money. My daughter asked him if it was for lunch and his reply was "no" Because I get free lunch. He wanted it to get into the game.. I was livid!

Parasites

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 9:26am.

I hope your daughter didn't give him a dime.
Welfare people are parasites masquerading as people. I feel sorry for the kid becuase he has horrible parents, but still....I hope she didn't give him any money.

They have to learn early on there is no free lunch(or there shouldn't be) and no free games either.

Nah, she's smarter than that

Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 9:34am.

I have taught my kids how to drive a hard bargin like for instance the school was having 60's day and I had bought her a peace necklace for $1.00 so when she wore it to school a kid offered her $3.00 dollars for it. She told him that she wouldn't take any less than $6.00 dollars for it so she made her $5.00 dollars off that little plastic necklace. My husband was mad at her for selling it but I thought she did the right thing..Thata girl!!

Plastic trash

Submitted by differentvoice on Fri, 11/03/2006 - 6:47pm.

You seem thrilled that your daughter took advantage of some child by selling a plastic "trash" necklace for 6 dollars that she bought for one dollar. Yes, you are right sweat pea, being a greedy capitalistic person is much better than living off the government. Glad you are teaching your daughter some values.

Let's see what are they? Oh yeah, take advantage of others, put them down and sit in self-righteous judgment because you can afford nice clothes and can pay for your own lunch.

different voice

Supply and demand

Submitted by IMNSHO on Sat, 11/04/2006 - 12:34am.

It's called the free market, supply and demand. I knew a guy who made extra money when he was in Basic Training with the military, to make the other guys' beds, do their cleaning duty, or their guard duty, or shine their shoes. Not everyone wanted that, or wanted everything he offered. But at $5 a job, he was clearing an easy $100 per week. Again, supply and demand.

different voice

Submitted by differentvoice on Sun, 11/05/2006 - 9:48pm.

different voice

And in a free market there is still room for ethics. Applauding your child for selling a cheap plastic necklace to another child for more than five times the value - is just plain bad parenting. Are we raising kids to take advantage of others or to be kind and treat others as we want to be treated?

Then this won't surprise you

Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 8:49pm.

Click here

"Little had changed twenty years later when District of Columbia mayor Marion Barry scolded a welfare mother with fourteen children for having so many children at the government's expense. Appearing on the Donohue program with Marion Barry, Jacqueline Williams proclaimed that "it is my body and I can have as many children as I want...If I could have fourteen more, I'd have fourteen more." Donohue sides with Williams, urging Barry to apologize and sniping that Barry's comments "would be cheered by the Archie Bunkers of the world" and "would get a standing ovation from the all-white Rotary Club." Barry snapped back, "I'd get a standing ovation from the all-black Rotary Club too." -- P.107"

bad_ptc

Submitted by Emmyjune on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 11:20am.

I enjoy Right Wing News, too! Eye-wink

bat-ptc if that had happened

Submitted by head_ragg on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 8:53pm.

we wouldn't be having this conversation...you are a walking add for birth control...maybe you are Barry's?

It did happen

Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:08pm.

It was all over the news when it did.

The woman lived in a subsidized hotel in SE DC.

The reason it was brought up was because the DC welfare system was paying for 5 rooms all under the same name.

Remember, we're talking about a mayor that had a harder time getting into Lorton reformatory than getting out of it.

Are You Two Married?

Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:20pm.

Man...Where's that Doctor Phil dude when you need him. Eye-wink

Git Real said Dude ;-)

Submitted by mainframecpu on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:26pm.

I'm contageous dudes and dudettes!!

Nah....

Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:32pm.

That one's been around here for a while. Hey...we may be old but we ain't dead.

GR, my wife and I never argue

Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:23pm.

I do as I'm told, while she looking.

But if she blinks...

Did you put the "House and Garden" cartoon on the frig yet?

Never Argue

Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:29pm.

Two simple words that work like magic. "Yes Dear"

I've learned to say it even if I disagree. Smiling

"House and Garden" cartoon? Did I mess up and miss something?

Git Real: It's Called Mumbling ands Shuffling

Submitted by muddle on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 8:37am.

And it is a fine art.

You walk in the door. She's had a terrible day:

*The cat coughed up the remains of some sort of small animal on the new Persian rug.

*The principal called demanding that she pick up your son for unruly behavior: classmates dared him to moon the teacher, and he is a very daring young man.

*The drain that you "fixed" yesterday is stopped up again, and the strange brew standing in the kitchen sink needs only a lightning strike for Darwinian processes to commence.

* All of these things distracted her so that the roast in the oven now looks like something you would find in a bag with the word "Kingsford" on it.

* You forgot to take the trash can to the street. The garbage man thus missed it, but a neighborhood dog did not: the lawn is now strewn with diapers, orange peels, a turkey carcass, and other assorted embarrassments and unmentionables.

She cuts loose, telling you all about it in a voice "just loud enough for the furniture to hear" (Mark Twain). She is on the verge of hyperventilating as she speaks. There is a slight quiver in her voice, which, given your long and rich history with this woman, you recognize as performing essentially the same function as a snake's rattles: a strike is imminent.

"Mumbling and shuffling" is a form of catharsis that permits her to exude her venom harmlessly.

1. Assume a humble posture with head slightly bowed, hands in pockets.

2. Your face should display deep sympathy. Lips tight together; eyebrows knitted, indicating perplexity over how *anyone* could have made it through such a bad day.

3. Alternate between nodding (indicating profound agreement) and shaking the head slowly sideways (indicating profound inability to grasp how *anyone* could have survived the traumatic experiences).

4. Being very, VERY careful never to interrupt, insert a series of well-timed, mumbled utterances: "Mmmmmm!," "Oh gee!," "Ah, man," "That's terrible" are just a few that should be in your personal repertoire.

5. Look at your feet a lot.

6. Shift your weight, uncomfortably and awkwardly as you listen.

7. Offer absolutely NO resistance, excuses or justifications. Remaining passive, you are like the coquina walls of the Castillo de San Marcos, which ABSORBED cannon shot with no subsequent damage.

Photo: College antics, circa 1978.

Muddle

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 9:04pm.

You are soooo smart. A fine example to men who like breathing.(and being married)

muddle: henpecked, by golly!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 8:54am.

Tell her to do all those things if she wants them done better! Don't tolerate anger and disobedience.

dollarday....? death wish?

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 9:08pm.

Man you are going to end up like that guy at the NCR plant.....how many seats does the short bus have?? I thought you would maybe know.

Ok out with it ....how many times have you been divorced? Come on it's just us regular bloggers here...you can tell us.

There You Go Muddle

Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 10/28/2006 - 8:47am.

That explains why you still have a house and have been married for many years. By chance did you see the answer to the question you dared to ask?

Remember "The Good Wife's Guide"

Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:39pm.

My mistake, it was Good Housekeeping

Oh Yeah, Yeah, Yeah,

Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:40pm.

I e-mailed it to her.

I'll bet you did

Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:42pm.

Who did the email say it was from?

Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 10/26/2006 - 9:49pm.

I never claimed I was very bright. I had forwarded it to her about a week before PTC Guy posted it on Fayette Speaks along with comment: Learn It, Love It, and Live It.

Git Real ?

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 7:58am.

Are you crazy? That could have been you yesterday. Sounds like your wife has a great sense of humor. You like to take risks don't you? Do you skydive as well?

No...But I Like Bungie Jumping

Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 8:23am.

Crazy...I don't think so. I'm just glad I chose well and didn't find a wife who is good ex-wife material. I didn't get in trouble for the "Good Housekeeping" article but I did tremble when she barked out... "Git Real..git off that computer and put those girls to bed now".

I have to behave myself. She now knows the identity of Git Real.

At Least you Know

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 8:28am.

At least you know who is boss, and do what you are told to do. You have never been happier. Good lion.

not again

Submitted by Emmyjune on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 10:59am.

Great idea, actually. Though I believe I detect a hint of sarcasm in your statement... But if you think about it, our society would be a lot better off!

Actually That Sounds Good

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 8:11am.

That is a good idea. We wouldn't have half of the problems we have right now if we did limit everyone to two.

Think about it, right now we have to keep adding more schools because of overcrowding. The same people on here who are complaining about the lines being re-drawn for the schools, are probably the same ones who are breeding like rabbits. Then they are surprised when their kid goes to school in a trailer.

Our taxes go up every year to pay for welfare, which is paying basically for someone elses mistake. I take umbrage at having to pay for other peoples mistakes. I have my hands full just trying to pay for my own mistakes. If you can't afford them or take the time to discipline them, stop having them everyone else is sick of the burden.

Skyspy, that’s a silly stretch

Submitted by cruiserman on Fri, 10/27/2006 - 11:18am.

Trying to equate Fayette Co.’s crowded schools to welfare breeders? Believe me, I think the situation with the freeloaders stinks, but let’s not go over the edge. Has all the new housing in the county escaped your notice? You’re smarter than that.

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