Only with Government Contracting...can a bunch of yokels be the highest cost and poorest quality and still get awarded the jobs. The only one who saw it was Steve Brown.

We all saw it and made a choice to look away because things were so good (growth-wise) and we didn't want to upset the gravy train. Brown was way out of the mainstream, certainly not on the gravy train and a bit jealous of achievers - who were smart enough to get on the gravy train in the first place.

After all, back then some of us in non-pilot households had to make a living as well.

It is true - you could look it up.

meow

Come on now folks. I confess that I haven't followed the tennis center mess but if Group VI was hired to build it and they did and the center is owned by the city and it's citizens then we should pay for it. Why should it be any different than the aquatic center, ampitheater, or the soccer fields for that matter? We as citizens use the facility and we should take responsiblity and pay for it! It seems to me that everyone wants something for nothing around here. Well guess what, there are no free lunches and the bad debts being written off by banks are part of the problem with the economy in this country. We as citizens need to do what is right in this situation. Drainage problems? Has the city ever approached the builder to ask if those problems could be addressed? Or has this come up as a result of the advise of a good attorney who has advised the city council that this may be the only way to dodge the pay up bullet? I don't know, but at first blush it looks like a typical legal move and one that may or may not work. Personally, I think not paying for the tennis center is the same as shop lifting and I don't like being associated with thieves. I'm sure what ever workmanship problems there may be with the center if they were properly addressed and the builder were properly paid, they would all be handled with professionalism instead of court battles.

Resignation rocks PTC Auth.

PTC Development Authority hands tennis center, amphitheater back to City Council; executive director resigns

PTC has to pick up the pieces

Time line of amphitheater, tennis center: Finances always troubling issue

DAPC: 'We take it back'

Thank you Bad PTC….Valley Girl is admittedly uniformed and just another Good Ole Boy cheerleader. Perhaps each of these ladies are realtor/tennis players. Yup, that Independent Counsel report produced a huge spike upward in the revenue of local criminal lawyers. Did you see the Airport blog on that bad roof--- can Group VI even build a roof for a dog house ?

The City is not liable for the Debts. Lenox/Brooks/Pace/The Banks did not want to have to obey the law and follow the rules, which is why they did this clever “Authority” plan. They deliberately put it outside the City to avoid the following: [(1) Having their finances reviewed by the city auditors (2) Having the citizens vote on referendum (3) Not having to do the accounting that all of them including the Bank do daily (4) Not having to have Open Meetings]. This is why they set it up this way.

No, Group VI is like a 16 year old walking in to Kroger to buy beer through his friend, the clerk, and then complaining that he doesn’t get his change back. When you are engaged in a series of illegal activities, bad things happen.

Several questions which have been unanswered speak volumes: (1) If this was legitimate, why didn’t Lenox have the CITY do the entire deal and what were the ulterior motives; (2) If these people were so honorable, why did they keep no financial records, make decisions in closed meetings with lawyers admitting it and why did several of them move out of state in the middle of the night?

As Michael Douglas said in Wall Street: “It’s all about the money, kid. The rest is just conversation.”

I would, except that it sounds like it's true, not fiction.

These snakes make Leo Mullen and Ken Lay look like choir boys.

I wish we could make business dealings like this a capital crime. Could I be on the firing squad?

This is actually really good. If you put this together from scratch you should have your own late night show!

Photo: College antics, circa 1978.

PTC Aviation Authority Meeting Minutes: April 16, 2003

“2. Aviation Center Roof Leaks. We will be meeting with the engineers from Williamson and Associates; Bill Foley, the architect who designed the building; and Jim Pace of Group VI who built the building; at 10:00 a.m., on April 22nd to review Williamson's recommendations and to determine what (if any) participation we can expect from the other two companies to help correct the many roof leaks, some of which have existed since day one.”

www.kffc.org/minutes041603.doc

This is actually really good. If you put this together from scratch you should have your own late night show!

Photo: College antics, circa 1978.

Yep, sounds just like Group VI...except you forgot the part about them sending certain female agents to you for certain favors to help sway your mind & eventually get them what they want out of a deal!

Hey, hey, hey….Where are Mudcat, Stinson, Rex Green and the Developer crowd cheerleaders? You need to jump to the defense of Group VI. Counting...5---4---3---…

“They are honorable people”

“They have given so much to the community”

“Steve Brown is the cause of all problems including malaria and printer cartridge failure.”

If these guys do own a Congressman, State Senator and a Mayor, I’m worried about the judge. Who is the judge?

No one has been a "Developer" cheerleader. Supporting "Development" and growth is one thing. Cheerleading for the "Developer" is something else.

Group VI is a builder, by the way - not a developer.

If it turns out they were a bad builder, then they should be ordered to pay damages or reimburse their client - assuming the judge and jury do that instead of some moron with a keyboard.
meow

Hey Mudcat do you have an extra dredger I could barrow? The mud is getting pretty deep here and I afraid my hip boots or waders won't be sufficent to keep from drowning in it. I agree with you to a point. Has the city asked Group VI to fix the drainage problem? Has the city paid the builder for there work? Would anyone out there like to be in their shoes and have built this center and not gotten paid for the work and then have to spend more of your money to fix it? I realize that they recieved some of the money owed but thats like going to a store and buying a shirt and dropping a free pair of jeans in your bag as you walk out. Then you come back and demand a full refund on those jeans later because you ripped them!
It's a shame this city has dissolved to this. There should be a way to work this out without tying up the courts time.

Never pay a contractor for work that is not finished, or done poorly.

This is the advice consumer advocates give homeowners all of the time, and it fits for cities as well.

If anyone is looking for a "free lunch" it is the builders in this case.

We've gone over this once before. Group VI is most certainly a developer.

Check their website: http://www.groupvi.com/RE%20Web%20Site/REFrames/REframe_dev%20serv2.html

Our development services can be summarized in one word: flexibility. Our philosophy is to assemble the necessary resources to achieve a tenant's or property owner's real estate or business objectives.

Our results oriented approach to development includes the following services or ownership structures:

Foolish Mudcat, Group VI is a builder/developer. Gosh golly gee, you mean Jim Pace and Group VI might have to pay for their shoddy workmanship? How did they get the job anyway?

Not to worry, the Honorable Mayor Harold Logsdon will find some way to clear Group VI of any obligation. They did help his campaign after all.

How much you want to bet court documents read "The Suckers of Peachtree City v. Group VI, Inc."

Vote Republican (except Westmoreland)

You constantly rail against conservatives. Are you sure you are a Republican?

Who do you really believe represents the middle class better? (not well, mind you, but better).

Tennis! I thought America outgrew it.

PS. Could someone PLEASE format these bulletin boards so that they actually go in order by date and time posted? That would actually make sense.

MOGL:
Look at the bottom of the page where it says:

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and set up the board to read the way you want it to.