Parent banned from Flat Rock M.S. in aftermath of T-shirt controversy

Tue, 10/17/2006 - 3:38pm
By: John Thompson

Parent banned from Flat Rock M.S.

Jacque Reid just wants to make sure her children are safe, and she’s not sure that can happen at Flat Rock Middle School.

Reid’s daughter was involved in the T-shirt flap that caused a temporary ban of the Confederate Flag emblem at the school. This week, Reid, who lives in Tyrone, revealed new information about the incident that has caused the Fayette County School System to come under intense scrutiny for its handling of the situation.

“It wasn’t the students that started this problem, it was a history teacher,” Reid explained.

The actual situation started more than a year ago, when Reid’s daughter, Victoria, wore a Dixie Outfitters T-shirt with a big Confederate flag on the front. The shirt also had a statement that said, “If this offends you, you need a history lesson.”

Reid said the school’s principal, Oatha Mann, told her Dixie Outfitters shirts were fine, but the flag was just too big. Reid said she didn’t want to make any trouble at the school, so she kept her daughter from wearing the shirt to school.

But on Oct. 2, Victoria came home and told her mom that another student was wearing the exact same shirt and nobody had said anything about it.

“I thought maybe they had changed their minds, so I let her wear the shirt to school on Tuesday,” Reid said.

But when Victoria wore the shirt to school, she was immediately sent to in-school suspension.

“There was no racial tension until the history teacher told Victoria that she was ignorant and the flag stood for slavery,” said Reid.

After the history teacher’s remarks, Victoria was then taunted and several students wore Dixie Outfitters shirts to school Wednesday because they didn’t like how Victoria was treated. The edict then came down that no Confederate flags on T-shirts would be allowed at the school for a temporary time, and the tensions started to escalate.

Reid said her daughter was the subject of several threats and she kept her and her sister home from Flat Rock for five days because she feared for their safety.

Reid received a letter from Principal Mann on Oct. 5 notifying her that she had been permanently banned from the property.

“On Oct. 5, 2006, you were repeatedly informed by Mrs. Blair to return to the front office while the administration of Flat Rock Middle School conducted a meeting with our eighth grade students. The administration was conducting a meeting to address possible racial tensions. Your presence in the commons area was viewed as a catalyst for the problems that the administration was trying to handle,” wrote Mann.

Mann further stated that Reid’s presence on the campus would result in action from the Sheriff’s Department.

“I was told the reason I was banned was because I was handing out Confederate T-shirts on school property. I don’t have enough money to hand out spit,” she said.

On Oct. 6, a meeting was held at the LaFayette Educational Center with the Reids, along with Mann, teachers from Flat Rock and Assistant Superintendent of Operations Sam Sweat. During the meeting, Mann said he would lift the ban, but only allow Reid to be present in the front office complex at the school. The Reids also received another offer.

“We were also told that we could transfer our kids to Rising Starr Middle, which is the top middle school in the county,” Reid said.

Reid is still weighing her options, but also said she was told by Mann the days she kept her girls home from Flat Rock would be counted as unexcused absences and further days out could jeopardize her daughter’s chance at getting a driver’s license.

Her husband got involved and called the superintendent’s office and said the days should be excused because of the threats against his child. Reid said she received a voice-mail message last week from Mann saying the days would be excused.

Throughout the nearly two-week ordeal, Reid has been amazed to see what she called the double standards at the school. On the day after the edict came down, the student who originally wore the flag shirt wore it again, but was never sent to in-school suspension, she said.

“They never took down the names of students who threatened my daughter,” she said.

She also said that students got along at the school until the history teacher’s comments incited some of the students.

“My daughters have plenty of black friends. There was no racial problem before this,” she added.

One of the keen observers during the situation has been Scott Gilbert. Gilbert is commander of the McLaws Camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Fayette County. Gilbert said his group met with Superintendent John DeCotis and said his group agrees with the temporary ban of the flag on shirts at the school. He added his group is working on a plan to provide more education opportunities about the flag.

“We’re trying to reach out to the parents. We just want to make sure the flag is treated respectfully, and we shouldn’t have these problems,” Gilbert added.

From the school administration’s perspective, Assistant Superintendent Sam Sweat said the reason the person involved was banned was because she didn’t check into the front office when she first arrived on campus and didn’t stay in the front office when instructed.

“The administration did not want the person involved to be in the commons area because she was the mother of the person who had worn the shirt,” Sweat said.

Officials at Flat Rock did look into the rumors of her distributing shirts, but could not confirm those allegations, Sweat said.

He also confirmed the system did offer to let her students transfer to another middle school, which he said is an unusual move by the school system.

“It’s something we normally don’t do, but we presented that option for the parents because of their safety concerns,” he added.

Sweat also said Flat Rock’s administration and the school system are looking at the possible threats against Reid’s daughter.

“A lot of this is difficult to confirm, but we’re following up on everything,” Sweat said.

He also dismissed the allegations that the school system is practicing reverse discrimination by allowing minorities to wear shirts depicting Malcolm X and FUBU.

“I told Mr. Mann that if those shirts caused educational disruptions, he would have to deal with those in the same way.”

One of the interesting points about the incident that Sweat revealed was the role of MySpace.com during the whole controversy.

“We understand that a lot of students were talking about this on Tuesday night before the students wore the shirts on Wednesday. It’s so important for parents to know what their kids are doing on the Internet that could lead to an educational disruption,” he said.

Sweat said it’s entirely possible that the administration could not have noticed the student wearing the shirt on Monday, but dealt with the situation Tuesday when it was brought to their attention by a teacher.

“The person involved had a problem with this shirt last year, so Mr. Mann dealt with it in a consistent basis.”

The school system wants to make sure that every student is safe, particularly in light of recent school shootings, Sweat said.

“It’s imperative that parents know the rules when they go on school property,” Sweat added.

In deciding to temporarily suspend the Confederate battle flag on clothing, Sweat said the school system’s primary emphasis is school safety.

“We want every student at that school to feel safe.”

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Submitted by ray_n1 on Sun, 10/22/2006 - 6:11pm.

i feel that the only tshirts to be worn with logo's or signs on them should be the tshirts with the schools logo on it, i do feel that the schools administrator,(principal included) should treat students equally in all matters. and i do have to say, tshirts that might cause racial conflicts should not be worn at all. so schools, provide students with more tshirts with school logos on them of course at an affordable price. james norton

Submitted by Fletcher on Sat, 10/21/2006 - 9:31pm.

Politics has made our society very ignorant about history. This causes the problems we are seeing today where people get upset over issues they know nothing about. The Confederate Flag is one good example. Slavery was an establishment in this country for some 260 years before the Confederate Battle Flag was even designed and flew. Before the Confederacy was established. It existed under the American Flag for all of that time. In fact slavery existed under the American Flag until December 21, 1865 with the 13th Amendment.

The Confederate Constitution drafted in August of 1861 banned the importation of Slaves from outside of the Confederate States unless they were purchased from Northern States. That's right Northern States had Slaves also. Read the Emancipation Proclomation written by Abraham Lincoln. The EP, which attempted to free slaves only in the Southern States that "took up arms" against the North specifically did not free the Slaves in the Northern States, the Neutral States and several Parishes in Louisiana who were Northern sympathizers. So in fact Slavery was abolished by the South in the Confederate Constitution 4 years before it was abolished in the North with the 13th Amendment. So why is there no flap about the American Flag?? Because of the politics of hate against the Southern Christian lifestyle. An attempt to create hate between blacks and whites in the South by our Northern Democratic neighhbors.

So DO Study your history, but look outside of your political government school owned and written text books. Look in your historical Documents. Start with the Emancipation Proclomation. It can be found online at the Library of Congress web site. Ask yourself. If the EP truly freed slaves and made Abraham Lincoln the Great Emancipator, why did they need to have the 13th amendment to the Consitution some 6 months after the end of the War for Southern Independence.

Submitted by Ihatefayetteville on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 8:46am.

Reading this article and some of these racist comments is why I will never have any respect for Fayetteville. I am ashamed that I received my education from such a racist county. This county is so stuck in the past that it’s not even funny. Hello this is 2006 not 1886. The slaves are free. So what the girl wants to wear a flag shirt to school. Big deal! When I was in Flat Rock students use to wear those shirts all the time. I didn’t care. It just made me more aware of who to stay away from because nine times out of ten they were racist or had racist parents. Let the girl wear her shirt. Also one reader is right.. When I was in high school people use to drive their cars or monster trucks with that flag on it. It didn’t bother us. It just made us well aware not to park our cars by them. Fayetteville is too uptight and set in their ways. Grow up!!

Submitted by Scouter on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 8:23am.

What happens when you take a predominately-white elementary school, and two predominately-black elementary schools and send those students to the same middle school? You get FRMS with its racial issues. When Flat Rock first opened, the school was a high achieving school. The National School of Excellence was awarded to the school. Look at the school now. Most of the administration and teachers that were there back then have moved elsewhere. All someone has to do is ask “why did they leave?” I believe the answer is that the community around the school changed. Teachers left the school because they no longer had an administration that was strong in supporting the teachers. The administration lately is acting like a doormat when a parent complains about something. It is the parents that are deciding how the school is run and for those families from Tyrone Elementary, they are now the minority.

I have heard of many racial issues from FRMS. One example was with a PE class where a group of black kids wanted to play basketball and refused to do what the teacher had planned. The teacher made the whole class just sit there because of this. I don’t believe that this was fair to those students who were willing to do as the teacher had planned.

Take a drive through Tyrone and look at all the For Sale signs. Those families from Tyrone Elementary do NOT want to send their kids to FRMS because they know the school is not run as it was 10 years ago. They want a strong school administration, which will keep order.

It is time for the school board and the superintendent to take up the issue with FRMS and try to come up with a resolution. As I see it, the situation will not get better any time soon. I would not be surprised if these racial problems started becoming worse at Sandy Creek.

Submitted by Atlanta29 on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 6:56am.

When I went to a Fayette County High School. Trucks used to pull into the parking lot at school with a large Confederate flags flying on them. I know we are talking about a Middle School here but it didn't used to be this way. It didn't used to be a problem. What has changed? Do the problems come with new resident? Coming in and wanting to change how the long time resident of Fayette County have lived? I don't think it would be a problem for someone who has been around it for years. It is just part of living in Georgia, it is part of living in the south, live with it.

Submitted by newtoptc on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 7:44am.

"It is just part of living in Georgia, it is part of living in the south, live with it."

This is the most arrogant load of BS I have ever heard. Just how old are you?????

You say when you were a kid the flags flew, did black kids ride a different bus? Did you have any black friends? Come to think of it was their anything about race relations you this we should just "live with"? If being a long-time Fayette County resident means you think this was all ok, then it is time to look around, the world has changed.

Is the confederate flag a symbol that should be banned, NO, but for many people it represents a culture that made some serious mistakes. Thus while you should not hide it, accept that it is going to cause issues, and work to educate and change, not claim it doesn't exist.

Submitted by ptcjenn on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:52am.

Those flags flew on trucks in the parking lot when I went to McIntosh, in the late 80s. The self-proclaimed 'redneck' guys had them. There were very few black kids, but they all had friends and no, they didn't ride a different bus. I can certainly understand why the flags would be seen as oppressive, depending on the context. By that I mean, a kid with a tshirt - probably not meant to offend in general. A neighbor who starts flying it when a black family moves in on his street - obviously meant to offend or intimidate (I never saw that here, I was just trying to think of an offensive example).

I'm just letting you know that flag was around a lot, for many more years than you're thinking. I don't remember a lot of racial tension back then, but then again I'm not black so maybe it just didn't affect me. The only racial thing I can remember was that every now and then there were rumors flying around about a big fight in Wynmeade between the black and white kids, or maybe it was more related to upper middle class vs. middle middle class kids. Apparently that subdivision is still fighting the last remnants of that attitude.

Submitted by Atlanta29 on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 1:29pm.

Yes, in the 80'S and 90's. I have seen high school teenagers doing this as recently as last year in the area.

Submitted by justhafax on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 8:45am.

I am proud to be an American. I would not want to live anywhere else. I am proud to be from the South. I would not want to live anywhere else. But...there is plenty to be ashamed of in American history. Our forefathers treatment of the Native Americans, slavery, the South's attempt to secede from the Union, denial of rights to women, interrment of Japanese during WWII, the list goes on and on...it's time to quit celebrating Southern Heritage by flying the Confederate flag.

Submitted by Atlanta29 on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:00am.

If you don't want to fly it, then don't. Nobody said you had to. What you do have to do as an American is respect the rights of free speech. If you don't like free speech then go live in a country that does not have it. Just because your veiws do not match someone else's veiw does not mean that there's must go away.

Submitted by Atlanta29 on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 8:10am.

That's a good one.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:48pm.

"We want every student at that school to feel safe".
Huh....see most of the people that are paying taxes here don't see that.
Even the white kids....Sam do you want them to feel safe too?? Do you???

We see a lot of hot air and trite cliches, but no action. We see alot of reverse racism, and a hostile learning environment. How are white kids going to feel safe with malcom x hate everywhere in that school???

I'm just an innocent tax payer here and I don't feel safe with that reverse racist hateful malcom x crap allowed in school.

The administrations handling of this situation, has just ensured that fresh young minds will learn to hate. They have been exposed to an environment of disparaging treatment. Now they have been treated badly, just as badly as blacks were treated in the 60's.

So where does it end? If each race keeps trying to even the "score" when will the cycle of hate end?

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 10:06pm.

... wear confererate flag shirts so Sam Sweat and John DeCotis will let you go to RSMS. Smiling

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 10:14pm.

I don't have kids...but this still is despicable. If I did have kids I would play the race card. You don't have to be black to play the race card, and play it badly.
The race card is a game everyone can play. All you need are deep pockets and landshark lawyer.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:15pm.

From what I've heard, the shirts in question did not ONLY have a confederate flag on them. They also depicted black slaves picking cotton under the words "the good 'ole south." I find that offensive and inappropriate.
If we want to get even more involved in the dress code issue, why don't we examine the enforcement of the policies. Oh wait, it's so inconsistent and unfair, that this isn't possible. A handful of students will be reported to the office and asked to change for having holes in their jeans, or a slice of stomach showing. These DO NOT disrupt class. The hundreds of females with a HUGE crack of cleavage showing DOES disrupt class, but the administrations lack the backbone to point this out because it may cause accusations of sexual attraction towards students.
However, I think there are worse issues in school than your stupid clothing. Take for example, the fact that if you refuse to write a football player's research paper, he calls you gay. Or, that a student can turn people in for harrassment- a death threat, and being hit everyday, yet the accused can say "I was joking" or "We're friends; it's just how we great each other." Now, if it was a joke, or the people in question were friends... why would the student report them to begin with?

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:20pm.

said anything. He wouldn't take it as harrassment, you would just wear him down, he would hurt anyone by going to the office, never, but that takes a tole on some...and what you are saying doing people's papers was put on you or be called gay. My kid didn't ask anyone todo his stuff, maybe he should, school is not his fortee.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:25pm.

I was in no means makng a reference to your son with my comments. These are based on personal experiences.
Cheating at school is a major problem. The funny thing about it is that people talk in loud voices, in the hallways, where ANYONE can overhear you, (ie:myself). In the top 30 of my school, there are many who cheat. Some do not go beyond occasionally copying homework. Unfortunately, others allow their parents to do their homework for them, or write their papers. In the top 30, some admit to cheating on tests. These are more important problems than a stupid t-shirt.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:57pm.

guys use girls..isn't it scarry they grow up to be president? Mine would have prob copied, he just didn't think of it.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:00pm.

I think that the problem is more that around here, many students are well-off and have parents who rarely moderate the activities of their childer. We live in a society where wrongdoing goes largely unpunished which is a bad example for the impressionable youth.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:04pm.

but I do cherish the good hearted.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:06pm.

good people don't get credit they should.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:09pm.

Good people don't need public approval in order to know that they acted in appropriate ways. They do good things because it's the right thing to do, whether or not others acknowledge this or hold the same beliefs.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:13pm.

I am glad you are here.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:13pm.

Well said emu_kid. Character is what you do when no one is looking.

Submitted by tyrone teen 6 on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:03pm.

Thank God for people like Jacque Reid and all those kids at Flat Rock standing up for their heritage, and ours. More important, Flat Rocks administration really needs to start taking care of the white kids needs. I mean, really...I wonder why kids want to go to other schools.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 10:09pm.

You are going places. I know it is tough now, but this is going to make you stronger(ooppss sorry talk about trite cliches) but it is true.

Submitted by dixiemom on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:20am.

Why don't you pay attention to what has already been reported? ALL other races are being treated equally and fairly. Right now, today, only the white kids at FRMS are being targeted by both other races and the administration. As for my children, of which I have 2 that attend FRMS, they have been told to stand up for what they believe in and both myself and their Father will support them all the way to court, and as soon as a lawyer with come guts is found we will be one of the first to sign up and contribute to a lawsuit to stop all this discrimination. That is the only thing way to force the administration to do something, they have proven they are not going to do anything from meetings and talking things out.
And as for people that say this should not be about a stupid shirt. It goes far beyond a shirt. IT IS about being treated equally and our children being safe. Right now the children are neither safe nor being treated equally and if it took a stupid shirt to make us mad enough to finally stand up and do something then so be it. If any of you had a child, any race, who went to and had other children saying to their face you will die and stating a specific date or go into the bathrooms only to see ALL YOU WHITE XITCHES ARE GOING TO DIE ON OCTOBER 19, you would want something done as well. Only you might be yelling louder then we are and that is the problem I don't think we are yelling loud enough yet. I understand some kids only talk big and bad but it only takes one to take it too far and then we have another Columbine on our hands only now it is in our backyards. I for one am not willing to stick my head in the sand and act like it can't happen. As for moving to another county or school district, if offered, we will not. My children are just as important as anyone else’s and we aren’t going to run from anyone, we are standing our ground and going to see this to the bitter end.
Before responding to this post you might want to sit back and think how you would feel if it were your children, nieces, nephews, grandchildren etc. that this were happening to. Would you stand up for their right to free speech, safety & heritage or would you tell them to shut up and act invisible or just move? I don't think anyone would and were not either.

Submitted by sickandtired on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 5:51pm.

You are exactly right about FRMS. I, myself have a student at this school and have one that has already moved on from FRMS. The reverse racism is HUGE here. We have an all black admin with the exception of Mrs. Blair (who I might add is trained to defend her co-workers). It does go far beyond the shirts......this has been going on for several years. This is just the straw that broke the camel's back. My child witnessed Jackie's daughter being shoved in the media center by a black boy and you guessed it.....NOTHING was done about this!! Not suprising to me....I have friends that have worked here for years and they say this happens all the time. I bet if someone did start a lawsuit you would have plenty to jump on the bandwagon. It's coming....caus we are SICK of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Submitted by sickandtired on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 6:06pm.

I agree with Dixiemom....I'm not going anywhere. I have lived here for 14 years and I'll be d***ed if I'm moving.

Submitted by Sweet Honesty on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 1:45pm.

I urge you, dixiemom, to take RightOnTheMoney's advice and file a formal complaint. It may not sound like much, but it's a start. And if anyone else has had similar problems I hope they will too. Now is the perfect time and opportunity to draw the proper attention to this growing problem. Please use the courage you seem to display in your blogs to do this. I believe it can benefit the kids affected (including yours) and may encourage others to do the same. Maybe there will be enough of you to draw the right attention and changes will be made. And, please, please, please keep us updated on your progress. Good luck!

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 6:50pm.

My kids are all grown (ages 30, 27, 26, 24), but grandchild number 6 is on the way.

I came through the Florida public school system. After that, I attended college and a series of graduate schools (B.A., three M.A.s and a Ph.D) for fourteen years. I'm all about education.

But I have all but lost my faith in our public schools.

There are excellent teachers and administrators in the public schools. But it's kinda like a box of chocolates: you never know what you're going to get.

If I had it to do over again, I would find an excellent Christian school for my kids. Not the kind that is out to teach them fanciful myths and to insulate them from every idea that is foreign to their tender faith. But I would seek out a school that operates from a robustly Christian worldview and does not bow down to the idols of the day.

My daughter has just moved to Asheville, NC where there is an amazing school like this: Veritas Christian Academy. Young children are taught logic and Latin and learn *how* to think well and for themselves. These kids are mostly college-bound and hit the ground running when they get there. And there is none of the nonsense that takes place at our local public schools.

I wonder whether there are any such schools in our area.

Photo: College antics, circa 1978.


Submitted by RightOnTheMoney on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:35am.

You need to go to the web page and file the complaint form. They will conduct an investigation - free to you- to determine if discrimination is taking place at FRMS.

It will be, at the very least, the second time they have been to that school. It will however be the first time that I am aware of that they have been there because of the allegation of discrimination by blacks against whites.

You will be filing a complaint based on a violation of: Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of race, color or national origin;

The web site is: http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/index.html

For God's sake, either act on your accusations or stop complaining.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 10:05pm.

Thats just it, right now the white kids are being discriminated against. Discrimination of any kind is illegal. The white kids want to be treated no better, and no worse than the black kids.

They are allowing the black kids to spread their malcom x type hate freely. No punishment, in fact it seems like this hate monger pricipal encourages this beahviour from blacks.

Hate is never the right answer, no matter who is promoting it.

Snap out of it!

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:15pm.

Although schools should help their students, I also think that people need to learn independence. People need to learn responsibility for their actions. In the "real world" you will not have a nice little school building with officials to hold your hand and escort you to a better area. Your boss will fire you, and will not arrange for you to be placed in another job. People will let you down. Unfortunate though it is, it is a fact of life, and the quicker people learn this, the stronger and the more equiped to handle the hardballs of life they will be. Athough currently the staff at school are like bosses to students, eventually your parents will be unable to apply pressure in order to give kids what they want.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:26pm.

Schools are no substitute for a family and one's parents. With that being said, my dear mother used to say "there is a time and a place for everything", usually followed by "this is neither the time nor the place...". With that in mind, while there is nothing wrong with southern pride, northern pride, black pride, or any other pride, school is neither the time nor the place to wesar something that another person could find offensive. Would you wear that (that being whatec=ver your are considering) to church or to meet the President? There, common sense, try that. Otherwise, uniforms are the only solution for people who try to use the educational setting to make personal political statements.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:04pm.

I really don't think that God had anything to do with the choices of clothing of Jacque Reid and her followers. Proverbs contains LOTS of verses that depict wise people as those who do not fight, who do not speak. The fools are the ones who cannot hold their tongues. I don't really understand how standing up for one's southern heritage has anything to do with God or the advancement of his kingdom. If anything, all it did was put yet another division between his people and those we have been put here to serve.

Submitted by dixiemom on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:24am.

So I guess you are adding your name to the list of fools who cannot hold their tongues and you probably didn't think Dr. Martin Luther King should have stood up for the equal treatment of blacks either. You shouldn't cast the stone if you are not innocent yourself.

Submitted by newtoptc on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:43pm.

Teen,since you raised the point, can you clarify the "heritage" of those involved in this issue?

For that matter, can anyone?

I'm not asking if they live in Fayette County, or if they love the South.

Heritage, if this is what they are claiming they are proud of, would imply a relationship or connection with those who represented and stood for the south 150 years ago.

Look around, there are as many transplants from other regions as locals in some areas. If someone in your family fought for the south, and you are proud, then wear the flag and be proud. If your family is from NY, then grow up and realize you don't know what you are talking about.

Regardless of whether it is correct or not there will always be people offended by the confederacy and anything related to it. Do we cater to them and hide the war? NO. But does it make sense to flaunt and stir this up in school, likewise NO.

Ulitmately I don't see the benefit of wearing this shirt in school. If you like the shirt, wear it to the mall, but when you are in school, be a bit more respectful of those who see more than just bars & stripes.

***One disclosure in the aspect of honesty: I was born & raised in the north, I have family that fought both for the Union in IL and the Confederacy in VA. I tend to lean towards the Union personally but recognize that the war was not about slavery and technically should have never occured as succession was the right of the southern states.

Submitted by dixiemom on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:32am.

The point is that our white children deserve the right of free speech and to wear a shirt to school as do any other race as long as it doesn't have sex, drugs, alcohol or violence on it. We did have family members that fought in the Civil War and we have lived in both myself, my spouse and both our families have lived in Fayette all of our lives and that is heritage and we will stand behind our children for this reason because if they are forced to give up their free speech then it won't stop there.

Submitted by 30YearResident on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 6:54pm.

That some of the administration staff and teachers at this school just may be bigots. (look up the definition)

Also, Sam Sweat has proven himself time and again to be imcompetent when it comes to anything that requires a position. In my opinion, he's a self centered wuss who refers to himself in the third person during discussions. (dealt with him in the past)

Submitted by abc1234 on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 5:20pm.

I graduated from Starr's Mill a while back when Sam Sweat was still the principal. On one occasion when I had a problem with a teacher, he listened to me, promised to help, and followed through promptly and true to his word.
He treated me respectfully and like an adult-- no parents had to be involved, and Sam dealt with the problem right away. I was and still am grateful to him for the way he handled the situation. In my experience, it is a rare administrator that respects and listens to his students like Sam did.
I can vouch that Sam Sweat is a good guy and I'm sure he's not ignoring or purposefully mishandling this tricky and serious problem. To call him 'incompetent' or a 'self-centered wuss' is not only false but juvenile.

Submitted by dixiemom on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:35am.

I totally agree and I will be trying my best to get the BOE replaced the next time we vote and I hope all other concerned parents, of any race, will do the same. It is apparent they will not stand up for our students at all and with there record our students are not safe. If they won't pay attention to us or our students when we speak, they will pay attention to our votes.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 7:06pm.

You go! I agree! I too have talked to him and agree with your a$$e$$ment! He was not nice.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:30pm.

Who is the self centered ...yada yada???

Submitted by RightOnTheMoney on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:36am.

Mr. Sweat - I think.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:33pm.

Sam Sweat.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 6:29pm.

So, if you tick off a school, or if they get mad at you, then Sam Sweat says you can pick another school? Preferably a better one? Is that back peddling, admiting your wrong or just no courage to make a decision. Maybe we can just call it 'mini-redistricting'. Can she wear the shirt at Rising Starr Mr. Sweat? Is mom banned from there too Mr. Sweat? Was mom wrong or Oatha Man? If mom was wrong why are you sending them to Rising Starr? We are in trouble in this county folks! Where is the leadership?

Submitted by people4u on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 7:03pm.

Well said, why is the FCBOE leadership not being proactive with this and attacking this problems right at the roots? No wonder, if it’s true that that has been an ongoing issue, now it is out of control. What about the good students at FRMS or SC, they are there for an education and not this distraction. Let’s go FCBOE, fix this now, quit side stepping the issue!

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 7:26pm.

If you have a child that is big, athletic, but nice and won't turn around n knock the crap out of someone. Puts up with the BS till he has a slow melt down from being nice and knowing he could kick A... if he wanted to, but doesn't. Contact them, and ask if he can move to another schools cause he is now going to a shrink and has never done so in his life! Your reply would be ..NO..! Sam Sweat...you are a brave thing! I don't begrudge them putting this woman's kids in another school, but you have no compassion for the problems you cause people untill it makes the papers!

Submitted by head_ragg on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 6:22pm.

Or...maybe it is cause they know you ...they give you the finger! That sounds more like it!

Submitted by head_ragg on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 6:18pm.

you self rightous hippocrite!@ You say my kid had problems at FRMS cause he prob was like me? My kid was a ...LOT NICER THAN YOU WILL EVER BE...ANNNNNNDDDD... I bet if yours swishes down the hall! You xxich!!!

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:29pm.

Head_Ragg, try as I might I cannot follow what you are saying. I can get that your son moved to live with your ex husband (his dad) and that you blame the schools (Sam Sweatman?) I think. The rest has most of us very confused. Regardless, I'm sorry and I hope you still see your son. Kids need BOTH parents.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 9:23pm.

I HIGHLY doubt that a child would get picked on for his/her writing skills. However, school would be AMAZING if that were the case. Unfortunately, we have people running the schools who have not adequately grasped the vernacular (adressing him/herself in the 3rd person, the inability to communicate your message in giving a public speech). I don't feel that we should be hard on others when those incharge have failed to learn anything themselves, therefore why should we expect these people to have the capabilities to educate our children?

Submitted by tyrone teen 6 on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 7:59pm.

I have no idea what you just said either buddy.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 7:58pm.

Bad things happen in Fayette Co. all the time. The schools pretend that it doesn't occur, causing students to develop psychological problems. In my opinion, the children in question should be allowed to change schools. Unfortunately, the only reason this is occuring is because it made the papers. You have compassion for the family who is portrayed as victims of the evil school system, yet you fail to feel this way for others who have been in worse situations due to the fact that they do not get press coverage.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:07pm.

My kid was a nice sweet kid, that was always nice to everyone. He didn't have a mean bone in his body. But, he was big, and compassionate, a lot of kids liked him, others cause he would put up with crap, would pick to get a rise. He could have hurt someone but he didn't. One day he came to the car and he had a melt down, by that I mean, he finally told someone off, a group. To him, to tell someone off is like loosing the war, cause he just isn't that way, he said Mama, I used 4 letter words and the 2 teachers heard me...I said what happened, he said they just laughed. The deal is, some kids will not act up, when they finaly do, it is like they are breaking, and it hurts them. They don't want to be mean. The teachers, I think, laughed cause they knew the others had it comming, but my kid s not turned that way. It ate him up no to kick someone's butt. In the end, he left the school. I lost my kid

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:17pm.

Did they offer to let him go to another school (did you ask)? It sounds like Sweat has issues. Certainly a victim should be able to transfer schools if they don't have the guts to get rid of the problem (how sad is that). If Otha Mann was wrong - why move/punish the kid? If Oatha Mann was right, why move the kid to another school and punish the school? The whole offer to move schools blows my mind. What about Rising Starr..... if the mother is the problem why should they have to deal with that? If the Principal, Oatha Mann is the problem - they need to DEAL with it and stop negotiating everything!! I am in the FRMS/SCHS district for now but we are moving to Coweta as soon as we sell our land. This county has gone to the dogs .... and I hate to say that because I actually like dogs.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:25pm.

I...did..ask..in a very nice way...and they turned me down...I told them everything and they couldn't be bothered. I lost my kid...he moved to his dad's and broke my heart. I don't fault the other kids so much as my kid hadn't learned coping skills, he never had to. I never thought he needed them. But he did, he just has a bit heart, and would rather put up with it than make someone feel bad.

Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:21pm.

In a recent edition of The Citizen, a parent wrote in about the way his/her child's harrassment case was (not) handled well at RSMS. Why does anyone think that things will be better if moved there? The problem is not specific to this girl and her family at FRMS. It is a countywide problem with MANY students, and putting a bandaid on one victim of the plague does nothing to cure the disease.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 8:15pm.

hit someone and get it over with, others, will not. I think the 1st are the healthest. But, mine is the second, he would try to figure out why you want to bug him, try to make friends with you etc...and it eats him up when you keep on, he sees it as his failure, not yours.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 7:52pm.

Take a deep breath - back up - and try again. I have no idea what you said.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 6:34pm.

If the Citizen had the "ability" to ask a question when they copy what is handed to them, we might have had an answer to your question.

As it is, the Citizen will NEVER ask a question for fear of offending an advertiser or someone.


Submitted by emu_kid on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 7:36pm.

Does anyone else find this site difficult to navigate due to the poor layout and excessive advertisements?

Submitted by aprilw on Tue, 10/17/2006 - 7:44pm.

I don't. It is one of the easier ones I have used, but I have read blogs where others have trouble getting to topics they are interested in.

Submitted by dixiemom on Wed, 10/18/2006 - 9:50am.

Again, you are consumed with throwing stones without a clue about what you are talking about. This parent did go to the office as soon as she was reminded, she forgot to check in at the office and has apologized to the administration for it. All of us are human and if my child had been the one being physically threatened I would have forgot to check in also. I have more faith in my children then I will ever have in ignorant people like you. My children are strong and know right from wrong and they know what is going on is completely wrong so I will continue to have all the faith in the world in my children and you better get on your hands and knees and pray that you don't face this one day because it is not just at our school or our neighborhood it is all over Fayette and it might come knocking on your door. Then you can say how you would handle it until then you don't have a clue.

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