Hey Jonesy baby, where the heck are you? I'm still waiting. You know, you're going to support your slanderous insults about me. Sure, because that's what real men do! Oh,... are you saying you're not a real man? Oh... sorry, my mistake. It seems you are the real "coward" now, doesn't it? No answer, no proof, no identification, only liabelous slander. You know there are laws against such unfounded remarks. Funny, you just can't arbitrarily attack someone's character like you and your mentor Brown do. But not to worry, I know of the source. You are not worth the effort. But, I'm still waiting. I am still waiting for you to back up your insults. What? Can't do it? Of course you can't, they aren't true! HEY... guess your anonymous "crap" makes YOU the "cowardly liar." Now that's FUNNY!

Jim Stinson

I read Stinson's reference listed in his posting below (http://www.thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-051005/letters.html) and it looks like Jimmy can bend the truth with the best of them. I like how your hero, Bobby Lenox, also had a letter in that batch asking Steve "Why have you made no progress on TDK Boulevard?" Who's lying Jimmy Stinson, you or Bobby Lenox?

If you aren't denouncing Direct PAC's statements as a member of that brood, you must be agreeing with them.

Anyhow, I think Steve did an good job in his letter back to you. I pasted the the answer (courtesy of Steve) to your question below.

What Mr. Stinson does not tell you is that later in those same meeting minutes you read, “Brown said he did not want to spend another dime on the project and he prayed the City not be asked to spend another dime on the project. He said it was the last money he would ‘give the nod’ for,” (City of Peachtree City, Minutes of Meeting, June 5, 2003). I refused to pay to build that road.

In that same June 4 newspaper, a comrade of Mr. Stinson, Direct PAC Vice-Chair Rick Schlosser, wrote a letter containing their traditional TDK party line, “Anyone who has reviewed the traffic problems in western Peachtree City and is realistic about the available solutions easily recognizes the advantages of the extension of TDK Boulevard for both traffic enhancement and economic development.”

The PAC has two choices ignorance or deception. Steve Brown was telling the truth and Jimmy's PAC lied.

Still waiting Jonesy. No substance yet. Lots of hot air and innuendo and outright falsehood, but still no substance. Come on, you can't possibly give up this easily. Surely you can prove me wrong. Give it a try. Or are YOU too big of a COWARD?

Hey Jonesy, still haven't given any support to your allegations. You know... where I 'lied, cheated" or am a "coward."
But as for you reading the link, You know Brown states he never supported TDK. So let me copy and paste his very own words for you. Then you can tell me how he is showing his opposition. Now remember, these are his own words, directly off his letter:

"Brown said he had no problem with the TDK Boulevard project. Brown also expressed appreciation for Coweta County’s support of the project. He said funding for the project was the number one concern, and Peachtree City’s budget was very lean. A balancing act would be needed to prioritize the projects,” (Council Minutes, Sept. 5, 2002)."

"Our current council was the only one that actually programmed funds in the city’s budget for TDK. “Rapson said he had always been in favor of TDK, but highways 54 and 74 took precedence. No funds were committed to TDK extension until this Council approved the 2003 budget, which included capital funding for FY 2004 (October 2003), bringing the total to $825,000 on the table. Brown said there was not a person on Council against TDK,” (Council Minutes, Jan. 2, 2003)."

"Councilwoman McMenamin made a motion to which I seconded to sign a resolution in support of the TDK project"

"Brown moved to approve the additional expense of $18,650 to use toward the engineering for the changes requested for the Fayette-Coweta extension. Weed seconded,"

"At the end of every council meeting Councilman Rapson publicly asks our city staff if there is anything that the city of Peachtree City is doing to hold up the progress of the TDK extension project. The staff always replies, “No.”

PROOF Jonesy, PRINT SOME PROOF!! You say I "bend the truth," go ahead and show me where it's bent! Does seconding a resolution to support the project show opposition or support? Brown did say what he claims in 2003. However he also stated:

"I'm not dragging my feet on this, I'm just trying to find where we get the additional funding."

Why did he work to find funds? If it had never been funded, we wouldn't be where we are. If he used "his council" to kill the project we wouldn't be where we are. But none of this explains his claims on Oct. 5 2005 when he ran for re-election. So Jones, I say again, offer proof of any "lies, cowardace or cheating." You still do nothing more than sit in the dark and shoot unsubstantiated insults.
I don't know why you guys always assault the character. Brown, with your help, has destroyed the dignity of PTC. That's the problem. If he would maintain dignity, respect others as having a different view, and deal in facts and not innuendo, we could bring this community back to what it should be, a nice, respectful, dignified place to live. But instead morons like you do nothing but attack, attack, attack. You can't beat anyone with facts so you rely solely on slander and insults. And you don't even have the "balls" to sign your name or take credit for your remarks. Oh, I'm still waiting. Show me the LIES, show me the COWARDICE, show me the CHEATING. Quoting Brown doesn't do it. STILL NO SUBSTANCE!

I thought they dissolved after the "Mission Accomplished" party election night 2005. Look under some other rock for evil. And what "developer campaign slush fund" are you talking about? Just rhetoric or is there some actual proof that such a thing exists?

And I for one, don't care about TDK being extended since I actually understand the real impact - as opposed to the imagined one.

Jones,
First of all the letter I wrote was from ME not anyone else. To suggest differently simply shows your ignorance. I defy you to show how I "fought hard to convince everyone that Road to Ruin was going to provide traffic relief for our future years. " I say "I" because I do not speak for anyone else.

I have never engaged in the "art of intimidation." I challenge you to support that absurd comment.

How have I "proven" myself as a "coward, liar, and cheat?" Go ahead, give me any example! In fact those are incredibly INSULTING allegations and I don't appreciate them (especially coming from someone unidentified). So PLEASE, go ahead and substantiate them!

For anyone out there reading this. and especially you, Jones, I defy you to to check out Browns own words. Here is the web address (or you could simply select "archives-2005-Oct. 5-letters, and scroll down to his letter).

http://www.thecitizen.com/archive/main/archive-051005/letters.html

Scroll down to the letter entitled:

"Consider what record shows about council’s TDK extension decisions "

Go ahead. Tell me PLEASE where I lied or cheated. PLEASE!!! I BEG YOU!!!

Jim Stinson

The hefty rhetoric about the Axis of Evil, intimidation and harassment running rampant and unchecked other cliches is charming but doesn't really address Stinson's point.

Can you refute his contention and/or quotations directly? I wholly agree that the circumstances of TDK and who knew what and when is debatable- certainly some things have come to light in the months following the election.

But is there anything to substantively refute Stinson's claim? Did Brown not make those statements?

I checked it out for myself (don't like to leave anything to chance). I went on the archives section and looked in letters from the Oct. 5, 2005 Citizen and guess what... Stinson was RIGHT! Brown really DID say all those things. In fact he seemed to take great pride in getting the whole TDK project going! He actually BLAMED Lenox's adminstration for NOT pushing the project! Quite a divergence from his current stand.
But Stinson did say one thing I thought was good. Why, if Brown always knew the "evil" of TDK, didn't he STOP it when he was Mayor? He prided himself on control of the Council. He stated how "his Council" was opposed. Then why didn't he cancel the whole project?
Just food for thought.

You remember the former Mayor wanted to approve the rezoning of the Lutheran church at 54/Parkway to become a 24hr drug store, right? THAT'S HOW. Also, he just hated the idea of Westside annexation until he got elected. THAT'S HOW.

Politicians are an interesting case-study.

TDK was pitched originally way before the widening of 54 at 74 happened to be a traffic relief measure. Brown hated that idea then because he was afraid that more development would follow, but went wishy-washy when the public was screaming for some traffic relief. In some ways, maybe Brown was *right* but I don't think so. Just like he wasn't "right" about opposing Westside annexation as a whiny citizen that all changed once he was elected.

The fact is that once TDK extention or any other road is created, someone is going to want to build SOMETHING on the area around it. Why this is some sort of mystery or evil science to people escapes me. Especially when it occurs in another county.

Mudcat,
I appreciate you seeing my whole point. I knew that I would be anonymously attacked, accused, etc. when I wrote the letter. I suspect Free Speech will have lots of "Brownies" calling me names. But I want to make this perfectly clear: I am not engaging in the "TDK: right or wrong" debate. I am simply pointing out what Brown ACTUALLY took credit for. His written disertations need to be reviewed. He, again, is claiming that he "always knew" what no one else knew, and offering the delusion that "only he" can "save" us from the our own selves. So he is jumping on a hot button item to start his campaign. I felt it important to look at his actual words and claims from a year ago.
Brown has always seen himself as the "white knight" sent here by a higher power to rescue us. His "Al Queda" is the "evil developers." He blames "them" for everything. It is an evil that simply doesn't exist. But he and his minions want to rule again ( I guess he finished painting his daughters bedroom and needs a job), so he needs a "dragon" to slay. In 2001 it was Lenox. In 2004 it became the "developers." But we need to remember his results, not his accusations. The city lost a lot of money and prestige under him. Taxes went up 22%, the budget rose consistently, needless jobs at City hall were created, we nearly lost our insurance rating due to lack of firefighters, we bought needless property to build needless bridges, etc. He needs to be held accountable. The TDK is another debate to be carried out with dignity, something Brown and his horde totally lack.

Jim Stinson