T-shirts stir tensions at Flat Rock Middle School

Tue, 10/10/2006 - 4:26pm
By: John Thompson

Dixie flag banned at Flat Rock

The banning of the Confederate flag on clothing at Flat Rock Middle School has opened a racial chasm at the school and is setting the stage for perhaps a bitter battle over upcoming new school boundary lines.

On Oct. 4, a group of students at the north Fayette middle school wore clothing from Dixie Outfitters depicting the Confederate flag. According to a letter sent to parents by Principal Oatha Mann, the clothing “caused a disruption of the learning environment.”

“Due to this incident, we are not allowing the wearing of clothing that depicts the Confederate flag. The decision was not made lightly and is a response to the situation that disrupted the learning process. Any clothing that incites disruption will also be addressed as necessary,” Mann wrote.

The Citizen’s Web site has been abuzz with posters commenting on the issue, with many of them complaining about their perceptions that the school administration treats black students with slogan T-shirts more leniently than white students.

School spokesperson Melinda Berry-Dreisbach said school officials were not taking calls about the incident, and said tensions have cooled down this week. She said the incident was not widespread, and only a few students were involved.

She dismissed a report from several posters who said that armed members of the SWAT unit from the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department patrolled the school’s hallways in the aftermath of the flap.

On the Dixie Outfitters Web site, visitors can find a variety of shirts with the Confederate flag, along with Southern heritage resources.

But the incident has drawn state-wide attention and is opening old wounds on a decades-long debate on Southern heritage and culture. The incident is also shining a spotlight on the county’s rapidly changing demographics.

In 2005, Flat Rock Middle School was nearly split down the middle in racial-make-up, with 475 of its 932 students white, while 371 black students attended the school, along with 47 Hispanic students, 17 Asian students, five native American and 17 multi-racial students. Overall, the school system had a 32 percent minority population in 2005.

Evie Harris’ daughter was one of the students who received in school suspension for wearing the shirt, and was not happy about the situation.

“The shirt my daughter was wearing was a plain white T-shirt with a small Confederate flag emblem on the front and two pickles on the back that said 99 percent sweet, one percent sour. How is that offensive?” she said.

She did hear about a shirt that showed people picking cotton, but was upset her daughter was lumped in with that girl.

“She lost a whole day of learning, which is what I pay my taxes for,” she added.

Harris said her daughter heard that someone was going to bring a gun to school the following day and took her daughter to school, to make sure it was a safe environment.

Harris was unhappy with how some of the students reacted to the shirt.

“It was the black students that caused the disruption and threatened to beat the girl’s [rear]. If they would have just raised their hand and said they found the shirt objectionable, the situation could have been handled better,” she added.

The concerned mother also found it interesting that nothing happened to the students who threatened harm, and finds inconsistency in how the dress code situation is handled at the school.

“They should also ban Malcolm X shirts, and FUBU, which stands for ‘For Us, By Us,’” she added.

A poster on The Citizen Online named “frms student,” who claims he is a senior at the school, said the incident reveals the escalating racial tensions at the school. The following, only minimally edited, is the poster’s comment:

“I am a senior student at Flat Rock, and this is the truth:

“Last year the black kids at Flat Rock had a day were they all wore black and yelled running down the hall to celebrate their heritage, this was unofficial and seperate (sic) from febuarys (sic) (black history). One of the students wore a ‘real men are black’ shirt and got ISS (in school suspension) and a warning not to wear it again.

“This year that student has worn it at least 3 times. he has not gotten ISS or detention or anything! a concerned caucasian male teacher reported the student to the principal, Oatha Mann, and Mr. Mann found nothing wrong with the shirt because it doesnt (sic) say anything degrading to whites, mexicans, or any other race specifically (according to him) so when a caucasian female student wore a shirt that said ‘if you have a problem with this shirt - you need a history lesson’ the administration gave the girl ISS a

“Because the black kid got away with the ‘real men are black’ shirt the white kids thought that they would protest the white kids ISS by wearing dixie shirts. all of the students fot (sic) ISS, and racial shirts and confederate flag shirts were banned from the school.

“One girl wore a confederate shirt with 6 african slaves picking cotton on it. the black kids at the school freaked out and had a BIG problem with it. i happen to know this girl very well and she is and has been a southern activist. 100%! after the day of wearing the confed. flag the black kids threatened the white kids, yeah i said it THREATENED. they threatened to ‘end this thing for real’ * ‘if i see you wearing another confed. flag shirt i’ll shoot you up!’ * the threats were there. regardless of what ABC says. students did not feel safe walking down the hall because there were 3 S.W.A.T members patrolling with guns and handcuffs. that is the true story.”

School officials dismissed the story that a SWAT team was involved and referred to the section of the dress code that allows a principal to have the final word on the dress code at his or her school. “School administrators will be responsible for determining dress code violations. The principal reserves the right to interpret or add to these provisions as the principal deems to be in the best interest of the school, student or the educational process,” reads the dress code.

For middle school students, the following items are considered inappropriate:
• Shirts and/or dresses that do not cover the waist, shoulders and back.
• Tank tops/muscle shirts.
• Pants, shorts, slacks, shirts and skirts of inappropriate size and fit or which have holes.
• Skirts, dresses or shorts with hems above the fingertips.
• Exposed undergarments.
• Not wearing proper undergarments.
• Clothing containing inappropriate language; advertisement of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or sex; suggestive lettering or pictures advocating/glorifying death and/or violence
• Gang related clothing, signs and symbols

Berry-Dreisbach said the ban on clothing containing the Confederate flag applies only to Flat Rock Middle School, and not other schools in the system.

The controversy occurred less than two weeks before new boundary lines are to be released for the county’s middle and high schools at the Oct. 16 school board meeting at 7 p.m.

Posters on The Citizen’s Web site are already voicing concern that much of northern Peachtree City may be redistricted to Flat Rock and Sandy Creek High School, but school officials will not comment until the maps are officially released Monday night.

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Submitted by PTCLady on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:56pm.

After reading all of the comments/posts about this situation I was surprised to find that the principal of FRMS is related to someone in "power"....Interesting that another black principal in our school system has a relative at the County-level. Is Fayette County so afraid of not being politically correct that they hire substandard principals to "look good" on paper? Maybe, FCBOE, you should be more interested in having QUALITY administrators for all schools- not just those schools that have a more racially homogenous and higher tax-bracket population (i.e. Kedron Elementary).

Submitted by FMS Student Mickey on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:09pm.

These shirts are completely idiotic. Also, people making a big deal about them is plain stupid. I am a student at FCHS and people wear those shirts all of the time. There are belt buckles and hats. showlaces and cellphones. It is everywhere. No one really cares abotu it though. People just want to make a fuss over nothing. Sure, it is rude. But what can you do? The children wearing the shirts are going to find some other way to show how they feel. Not that all of them are racist in any way. They might just be proud of their southern heritage. It seems that everywhere you look, there is something you could make a problem of. This is just another thing that kids want to get other kids into trouble for.

Submitted by Soldier Boy on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 6:32pm.

Another way to really get the word out and noticed, call a television station and have them come out to the board meeting and they may have to listen to you. I have seen it done before.

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Submitted by parent on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 10:57am.

Thank you John for being decent enough to report on this very unsettling issue. Your my hero!!


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Submitted by parent on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:32am.

Does anyone know exactly where this meeting willl take place? Has the entire BoE moved to the LaFayette Education Center? Or is it still in two locations?


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:43am.

210 Stonewall Ave.


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Submitted by parent on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 10:38am.

obviously it is still in 2 locations. When you meet with someone at the BoE, you go to the LaFayette Education Center. Not the Stonewall location. Wait a minute......Stonewall Jackson, on the back of t-shirts has been banned from FRMS, can the BoE be located on Stonewall Avenue and still be politically correct??? Or Free from a racial lawsuit because of the location?

Help us all.......


Submitted by RT Tugger on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 10:14am.

I doubt if any of this is even brought up. They are in hush-hush mode right now, waiting for it to blow over. And remember, although the BOE website states that the "board welcomes and encourages interaction with citizens, community organizations, and various representatives of the media" (now *that's* funny!), it also states that anyone who wishes to be placed on the agenda has to make a request 10 days in advance of the meeting. Kind of precludes anyone from raising this issue on Monday.

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Submitted by parent on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 10:34am.

Even though they require a 10 day advance notice to be placed on the agenda, it doesn't mean that the parents can't unite at the meeting and make plans what to do next. It doesn't mean the issue won't be brought up. It doesn't mean that we have to boycott the meeting because we are afraid they won't listen. The meeting is about school boundaries. All of this applies to school boundaries, does it not?


Submitted by Ron Ricks on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:20am.

I was a student at Flat Rock from 92-94 and nothing has really changed. This was a problem/issue when I was there 14 years ago with the Confederate t shirts. When I was there we had excellent teachers and there were not really that many problems, but today it seems if the school is being run like a Clayton County school which is sad to me. Same thing with Sandy Creek, after I graduated all of the good teachers who actually cared about their students went to Starr's Mill or Whitewater High School. When I was at Sandy Creek it really was an excellent school.

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Submitted by parent on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:30am.

Ron,
It has changed alot in the past 10 years! You said it all right there in your post, all the good teachers left FRMS and SCHS because they were fed up with having to deal with the racist BS handed to them by the administration and the students! Do you think a good teacher is going to stay in such a tense environment? No way! And neither would you or me when I could move to a new job down the street making the same money and not have to put up with such crap!


Submitted by Reader11722 on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:07am.

We must continue to preserve Freedom of Speech. Already our own gov't detains peaceful demonstrators, bans books like "America Deceived" from Amazon and fires 21-year tenured BYU physics professor Stephen Jones because he proved explosives, thermite in particular, brought down the WTC buildings. Allow the Confederate flag and maintain the Free Speech standard.
Final link (before Google Books caves to censorship and drops the title):
America Deceived (book)

Submitted by Sweet Honesty on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:39am.

I agree with SouthernBell. A lot has changed and been learned by the group who protests the loudest. You always do whatever works and this does. And partly because of that, it has gotten to the point that if the black population wants something done or a change made, it's almost a done deal. All the while, if there is opposition to this action by white people, they are ignored and considered racists. It doesn't matter what the action is, from changing the state flag, to renaming the Atlanta airport, to changing the Alabama car tags to read: "Stars fell on Alabama" instead of "The Heart of Dixie". I don't know about you, but the "Stars Fell on Alabama" slogan looks ridiculous to me. But,in spite of all the changes that these groups of people have been successful in getting done, the one thing they cannot change is the geographic map. ALABAMA IS THE HEART OF DIXIE!!!!

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Submitted by Newsboy on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:30am.

And because it is the "Heart of Dixie" and for so many years proudly declared itself so, Alabama paid a price. Many of its best and brightest still flee when they can (Auburn University grads especially!) and many others who might otherwises come here for jobs and investment refuse because of the state's checkered past.

While the rest of the south prospered and boomed in the '80s and '90s, Alabama remained stagnant thanks to bad politics and inept leaders. Just recently, thanks to hard work and the spill over from Georgia and surrounding states, has that begun to change -- but even modest job and population growth beyond natural (births-deaths increase) here takes hard, hard work ... while Georgia, and the rest of the south, can't seem to stop it! Since 2000, Alabama has added about 150,000 people ... while Georgia has grown by nearly 1 million, Florida by 2 million, even Mississippi is growing faster! The reasons why are many and complicated:

The tax structure remains mired in a plantation mentality, giving huge tax breaks to large landowners while funding government and schools on revenue from income, occupany and local sales tax almost exclusively! That means growing towns have good schools; dying towns have declining schools. Don't believe what you see on MTV; Hoover High is the exception, NOT the rule in Alabama! The poorest counties of the "black belt" are shocking in their dispair. Ever been to Tuskegee? You'd never forget it!

And even when rural communities WANT to do better, it often takes an act of the legislature to do the simplest of things -- like float bonds to build a new fire station, or give raises to sherrif's deputies! That could all change if they'd update the state constitution, but it hasn't been rewritten since reconstruction and nobody has the courage to weaken "home rule" now!

Cities can annex at will, but counties have almost no role to play except for maintaining roads, a county court system, and collecting taxes. Unincorporated land is almost worthless because counties can't provide services (water, sewer, etc) or even police or fire protection. That just benefits the big landowners. Earlier this year, the state legislature approved a back-to-school sales tax holiday just like we have in GEorgia. But it was pointless until all the cities in the state passed ordinances agreeing to it as well, becasue in Alabama all retail lies insidse incorporated areas and city ordinances related to taxes have precedent over state laws. In Alabama, cities collect taxes and send what's leftover to Montgomery, which largely explains why state govt. is always broke. In Georgia, of course, the state collects and then refunds what's due to the local level. Crazy? Some don't think so!

That Alabama is beautiful, and historic, and not worth all the bad jokes, but much of it was brought on by white Alabama which still today seems obvlious to the shocking poverty in the "black belt" counties stretching across the southern part of the state.

BY THE WAY ... In 2002, The phrase "Stars Fell on Alabama" was added to Alabama's license plates and the familiar "Heart of Dixie" emblem reduced to a much smaller size. (A 1951 law requires Alabama license plates to display the words "Heart of Dixie" within a conventionalized heart shape.) Clearly, "Stars" suggests hope for Alabama's future rather than allegiance to its painful past.
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Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:28am.

I think you need to get Lee Parks, he has won several high profile reverse discrimnation suits and would love this one. He lives down in Newnan and has an office downtown Atlanta.
The FCBOE is not going todo anything. Trust me. Don't you think if Mr Mann is Fred Oliver's nephew, that he is going to help his nephew instead? If you wait for the FCBOE to do anything, you will wait till you die of old age. They have done what they are going todo....which is nothing. You have your answer,"no comment", you are just in denial.
If you don't do something, it will be viewed as the kids have no one to protect them and it will only get worse. The reason that was given why the blacks weren't punished, and these girls were, even though there was nothing offensive about the shirt they wore, was that the girls organized and the blacks didn't. Now, if you don't think that is a lope hole, I got swamp land to sell ya.
This must be done, or things won't change. Bring a lawsuit! A lawyer will cost you nothing, they get a % of what is won, so you won't be out any money. Plus, they love having their names in the paper, the school won't. It is a win win. Meantime, you know there is a board meeting comming up. Go to that meeting and tell them you want kids just from your area, going to your schools. Then the schools will reflect the people who live in those neighborhoods.
If you don't do something, you deserve what you get, but sadly, the kids won't deserve the abuse they will get in the future.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:40am.

You are so right. The stories of kids beaten up at school are the worst.

Reverse discrimination will not stop at that school without a lawsuit.
The malcom x hate, and black power T-shirts will go on forever unless they take a stand.

I could not find a listing for Lee Parker, is he with Parker and Assoc PC ?

Another good group of lawyers who deal with discrimination is Salter and Richards PC

Hate of any kind is wrong, and shouldn't be tolerated in a public school.

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:56am.

http://www.pcwlawfirm.com/site/lawyers/Lee_Parks.htm

Lawsuit settlements reached, with appeal under way
Lawyers representing the University System of Georgia have reached a settlement with attorney Lee Parks regarding several plaintiffs suing for admission to the University of Georgia. The settlement offers admission to eight plaintiffs, who claim they suffered reverse discrimination in the university’s admissions process. In addition to granting admission and monetary awards to cover the difference spent to attend schools other than UGA, the university said it is not awarding and will not award any scholarships to undergraduates in which race is a qualifying factor.

http://www.adversity.net/education_1_uga.htm

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:06am.

He is what you need, he is a good guy. If you don't stick up for your kids....who is going to? What will you be teaching them if you roll over? For them to roll over in the future?

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Submitted by nuk on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:53am.

Lee Parks.


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:05am.

I don't think any of these parents are going to do use a lawyer anyway.

I don't have kids, but I'm still angry about my tax dollar being used to pay a racist idiot to break the law.

Submitted by Soldier Boy on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 3:54am.

Well I think the Board of Education should do a Formal Investigation now. we do not need racism like this around our students during the time of there investegation. My daughter says it is very racist there. Maybe we should have WET White entertainment television. They have theres and we let them if we had one they would raise all kinds of heck and start hollaring racism. So HANDLE IT BOARD OF EDUCATION, HANDLE IT.

Submitted by Kathleen on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 10:25pm.

You are as ugly inside as your picture.

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 9:23pm.

Kudos to Thompson. Good to show the picture of the tee shirt. I found the shirt (depicting slaves picking cotton) to be clearly inflammatory. Probably no more inflammatory than the FUBU, etc., black hate shirts clearly visible in Fayette.

History lesson that few know. After Robert E. Lee, recognized by historians as a man of honor and dignity, was offered the command of the Union and Confederate armies he chose his native Virginia and the South. He gave one piece of advice to CSA President Jefferson Davis: "If you want to win the war, free the slaves."

With the hate coming from BOTH sides of these students, it is obvious that the lessons of love from Jesus are clearly falling on deaf ears. Where are the parents of these children and can they really be church attendees?


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Submitted by parent on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 9:26am.

The parents are working their butts off trying to get something done about our students being subject to such racism by the administration of our beloved school board who chooses to be blinded. The complaints are falling on death ears! Who ever said those people picking cotton on the shirt were slaves? A few black kids at FRMS, that's who said it! And they are walking the halls glorified in the fact that they "got away" with disrupting the learning process once again!
Is Fayette County not located in the "land of cotton"? Shall, I say it again.....EVERYBODY in south picked cotton!


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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 9:07pm.

I have a few issues with the arguing going on here and everywhere. Let me first say, I am an Army brat, born and raised Army. Around the military, there is NO ROOM for racism, for several reasons, one being that you NEVER KNOW if the person standing next to you, whether black, white, asian, hispanic, or pink with green dots will be the one to save your life, another being the comraderie that one gains in basic training. I think that what is WRONG with schools, people, our society in general is that we don't CARE about one another. There is no sense of pride in this country, no matter what or who our president is, or what war we are fighting, we have no pride any more. That's really really sad.

I went to a Department of Defense Dependants School in Heidelberg, Germany (DoDDS) and I can tell you, we pretty much had NO dress code. Why? Because we didn't need one. Our parents taught us what was appropriate and what wasn't; if someone happened to wear something that was not deemed appropriate then they were simply asked not to wear it again and do you know what? USUALLY, they DIDN'T! Can you imagine my suprise when I moved back to the US and heard about all the horrible things going on in schools? It is a very different world. Our parents weren't near as concerned about our rights as our education. We were allowed to wear Dixie Outfitters, Malcolm X, FUBU, all of it, as long as the language wasn't obnoxious or inappropriate, we were fine. I think it is quite sad that our society is so careless.

I also have issues with Black History Month, BET, Black or Minority Schools, NAACP etc. You are absolutely right that if we attempted to create a Sourthern Heritage Month, then we would be racist. But here's why they are able to have these things: THEY COMPLAINED THE MOST! Its a simple concept: The wheel that squeeks the loudest gets the oil. Perhaps Southerners should start hollaring about their rights that are violated DAILY. Maybe if we ALL got together and started complaining as the minorities have, then we'll get some kind of equality. We are LETTING minorities take advantage. Stop if you don't like it. It is that simple.

Last, I do think we should all just get over it. It is clothing. People wear clothing every day. That's all it is, nothing more, nothing less, it is clothing. Attire, Wardrobe. Get over it.

SouthernBelle
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Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 10:40pm.

I also have issues with Black History Month, BET, Black or Minority Schools, NAACP etc.

There is a 'Black History Month' because years ago - minorities were completely left out of the history books of the United States. There is an organization called the NAACP, [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People] because Blacks did not have the right to vote; receive an opportunity for an equal education; etc. There are historically black schools because blacks were not allowed to attend schools with white children in the South. If history were taught correctly - an educated dependent of a military family would not have these misconceptions about 'American history'. Blacks cannot be left out of 'Southern Heritage Month' if it was taught correctly. There are many blacks who are very, very proud of their southern heritage and their accomplishments in spite of segregation. There are 'whites' who wear FUBU, and blacks who wear Dixie Outfitters. Let's stop fighting the Civil War; learn our history; and be proud of the advancement that we have made as united Americans since the days of the Civil War. Divided we fall. Let's remain united!!

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 4:56pm.

If either of you have a “disposable email address”, one your are comfortable in sharing with me, that can be used for further discussion, please forward them to me at bad_ptc@bellsouth.net.

I have a great interest in this topic but I don’t have any desire to wash laundry here in the blogs.


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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 3:39pm.

The NAACP, Black History Month, BET, Black or Minority etc are all unnecessary now. And by the way, as far as REMAINING UNITED, this country is far from united. History will always be biased. People are biased, people write history. There will always be biases. And regarding Blacks being left out of a potential Southern Heritage Month, no one said they would be left out of it, they are very large part of Southern Heritage, why on earth would they be excluded? Sure, whites can be excluded from Black History Month, but it does not have to go both ways!

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE


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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:58am.

I agree with some of the "Southern Heritage" folk that they have a right to be proud of elements of southern culture.

But when they tell us that the rest of us need a history lesson (one shirt said, "If you have a problem with this, then you need a history lesson"), they seem to forget the *more recent* history. The oppression that continued right up into the 1960s, when blacks were still banned from tax-supported universities like Ole Miss is absolutely *shameful* and goes a long way towards explaining the existence of such organizations as the NAACP and all black schools.

There is much nonsense that is smuggled in in the name of political correctness. My children attended a school in (liberal) Madison Wisconsin years ago. It was an experiment in social engineering. The new principal, a black lady, immediately proposed to remove the novels of Mark Twain from the shelves on the grounds that they were offensive to blacks for their inclusion of the "N word." Of course, what she failed to realize was that Huckleberry Finn in particular is a powerful testimony to the atrocity that was slavery and the wrongness of racism.

And I confess that we were less than comfortable attending some of the Black History programs for parents. It was a little like being a black at a White Supremacist rally.

The drive to include a separate "Black History" can have some unintended consequences. Let me illustrate. Study the history of Western philosophy, and you'll find that it is almost entirely an all-male affair. Until this century there have been *precious few* women philosophers. Feminists find this scandalous, and insist that courses on the history of philosophy include women. Much is made over the fact that Descartes engaged in philosophical correspondence with Princess Elizabeth of Bohemia. She was obviously very bright, and understood the issues. She asked pointed--sometimes embarrassing--questions about the implications of his philosophy. Does that give us grounds to alter the philosophical canon to include her as an important philosopher? I highly doubt it. Does the current exclusion of women philosophers indicate some current and sinister form of chauvinism? Absolutely not! There is a good reason why the works of so few women philosophers are studied: women simply were not given the opportunies that were afforded men, and so were far less likely to pursue a philosophical education. The chauvinism and oppression occurred back then, not now. And it is downright silly to make more of a particular woman's contribution than it merits on its own.

I am afraid that the push to tell the story of black history and to find blacks who made significant contributions gives some incentive to overrate those contributions. I am, of course, NOT saying that there were no significant contributions. (To name just one person who comes to mind, I think that Frederick Douglass was a *remarkable* man, ascending from slavery to a prominent position as a prolific writer and articulate orator and statesman.)

But suppose that the general truth is this: the number of prominent blacks who distinguished themselves so as to be studied alongside the Washingtons and Lincolns, Edisons and Einsteins, were few. And suppose the reason for this is because **they were held back by a racist white-controlled society.** Should we scour the past few hundred years for likely candidates that we can dust off, dress and prop up as somehow "great men of the past"? Some activists have even proposed that, when talking of the history of slavery, we should not use the word "slave" to describe people. Why? Because it is degrading. But slavery **is** a degrading institution. The fact is, they WERE slaves. And the fact is that few were permitted an education of any kind. If slavery results in the poverty and ignorance of the oppressed people, are we showing a lack of sensitivity if we portray "enslaved persons" as poor and ignorant?
I am inclined to think that the history of slavery and the continued disenfranchisement of blacks in our society has a *greater* moral impact if we learn that one consequence is that people of great potential were never given the opportunity to rise to greatness. It should not be "sanitized" for the same reasons that the history of the Holocaust should not be sanitized.

Complete integration will occur only when there is no need for a separate celebration of Black History. It will be unnecessary, because Black History will have been folded in naturally with history per se. Important African Americans will be given their rightful place in a way that is not forced and artificial, and we will tell the whole ugly story of black slavery, segregation, and the long fight for civil rights.

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Submitted by parent on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:45am.

I'm totally ashamed of being forced to take part in this present day civil war in our public school system in Fayette County Georgia. Where are our "good ole boys" who have made this county what it was a few years ago. I can tell you, they're gone, they left, they conceded to the blacks wearing the "we took Riverdale, Fayetteville is next" t-shirts. The one's who are left directing our students are to cowardly to stand up to the blacks pushing their way into our lives by way of our schools. One threat by a black that they will file a racist lawsuit if they are fired, and the BoE tucks their tells between their legs and hides. Sad to say, but the truth remains, we are letting them take Fayette, and the folks in the positions to stand up to this type of racism have become cowards!!
I'm totally ashamed to be living among you spineless people.
Let me add that I'm sure the slaves who fought for their freedom would be turning over in the graves today if they knew how their decendants demanded to have everything handed to them rather than make it on their own in the world as their fore fathers struggled so hard to pave the way for these slackless lazy individuals!
I wasn't raised to be a racist, but neither was I raised to roll over and play dead!


Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:02pm.

It would seem that your solution or desire is to bring us back into the 50's. Or worse, you prefer to return to hooded nightriders and cross burnings on the yards of those people who have the nerve to not know their place. I now know what this is. This a concerted, contrived and cleverly(?) executed attempt to bring about the removal of the ONLY Black principal in a Fayette County school. Need proof? You said it in your diatribe. "The one's who are left directing our students are to cowardly to stand up to the blacks pushing their way into our lives by way of our schools."
These middle school kids couldn't or wouldn't spend their own money on that type t-shirt. Nor do I find it plausible that so many just happened to show up on that day wearing them. The fact that an adult would so blatantly use a child to further their own sick, segregationist agenda is just to reprehensible for words.

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:31pm.

before you get off your soap box ...you have a black prin at FRM and black prin at Starr's Mill, and prob at FCHS...so what do you want? That is 2 out of 5..oh I'm so sorry...you want 5 out of 5...my mistake!

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:49pm.

to suit yourself. Parent etc. never said any such thing! Lets go BACK to the F.A.C.T.S. Black kids have worn shirt that offened white kids and white teachers. Both ojected to the principle n vice principle...What did they do? Nothing. Because of getting nothing done, these white girl resorted to wearing a shirt that had on it. (I saw it on Tv) 2 pickles ..it said 98% sweet 2% sour, Dixie Girls//n I guess somewhere was the small Southern Cross. They were making a statement with a shirt that was not nearly as offensive as Malcum X and Black men are best , or whatever garbage..what happened? The principle/ vs principle punished the girls because he said they organized and the black kids wearing much more offensive shirts, nothing was done. This is reverse descrimination...Who am I talking to anyway...Mr Oliver...or Mr Mann?

Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Sat, 10/14/2006 - 1:27pm.

I cut and pasted directly from parent's posting. That quote was verbatim, I changed nothing in it. It seems it's you who tends to twist things or just ignore facts. To say that Malcolm X is/was offensive is to not know the entire biography of the man. I suggest reading it before you condemn him. I used to believe Robert E. Lee was a secessionist traitor until I read his biography. Now see him as a true patriot, great soldier and humanitarian. Secondly, the tee shirt you bring up was not the one that bought about the apparent problem. Someone posted a pic of it in another posting. It depicts the stars & bars and Blacks picking cotton in front of it. I'm all for freedom of speech, but when it is this incendiary in a public school, you have to draw the line somewhere. Doubt me further?
Lastly, I've always wondered how and where mainstream America picked up the term "reverse discrimination". Webster's defines discrimination as "the act of discriminating. The process by which two stimuli differing in some aspect are responded to differently-prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action or treatment". So if you reverse this, what do you have? Just food for thought.

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:54pm.

and quit rewriting them. This will not blow over...If it was the other way around...we'de had Al Sharpton down here with every camera he could get, praying for the Lord to save those Black chillin from the evil cross burning whites! Trouble is, it aint that way. You have shoved your BS down so many peoples throats...they are sick of it.

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:00pm.

by the school board cause Mann is Oliver's nephew or whatever. Do you think we are crazy? Go peddle your garbage somewhere else. There is more to this country's history than black history month and teachers for God sake! asking kids to write a glowing essay on Jessi Jackson! Yes! My kid was asked to do that. It blew me away, but we looked, we couldn't find one good thing about him except he showed up at all the rallies, threaten whitie as much as possible and had one? or 2 illigetiment kids!

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:07pm.

glorify of Al Sharpton! You have pushed too much and too far....some people are so stupid they don't know when to stop! I would say...this is the case!

Submitted by token_school on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:12pm.

He is one of the best. He does reverse discrimination law suits...he believes in good. Call him..That is how the Blacks get everything...threaten to sue! But...you have a real reason. Your children are being punished for a war almost 200 years ago!

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Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:49am.

I totally agree with you. You hit the nail on the head.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:33am.

You’re entire argument that something called “Black History” even exists is absurd. There’s no such thing as white, black, brown, red, yellow or green history. There is simply history.

Please enlighten me as to what part of American history the black race has been left out of.

There is a 'Black History Month' because years ago - minorities were completely left out of the history books of the United States. There is an organization called the NAACP, [National Association for the Advancement of Colored People] because Blacks did not have the right to vote; receive an opportunity for an equal education; etc.

Just how long ago was ”years ago” exactly?

If you mean fifty years ago than I would argue that most schools in this country are using books with a copyright a little newer than that now. They're probably using teachers a little newer than that now as well.


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Submitted by Newsboy on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 6:14am.

Thank-you.

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Submitted by Kathleen on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 10:22pm.

Also I respect you for showing a picture of yourself. I wonder how many people on here would say what they say if they knew they could be identified.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 3:30pm.

I am not afraid or ashamed of my feelings. I honestly believe that I have come to my own conclusions using logic with only a minor amount of emotion. I didn't say anything that was remotely offensive. Why wouldn't I show my own picture?

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE


Submitted by Student@flat rock on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 7:18pm.

I am very sorry! and i shoudlnt have said all that i said i am very angry about it and i think that the ban on the shirts are very stupid..thank you

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 7:37pm.

You should see my handwriting. You would be able to easily see that I did NOT go to catholic school

I'm convinced that there are other issues that aren't being discussed here that should be.


Submitted by Student@flat rock on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 6:55pm.

Hell yea mr.mann is racist i am a student at flat rock middle school who do u see in ISS mostly white people and hmm we cant wear dixi outfiters but blk people can wear FUBU.. F that!!!!I wish sum one had the balls to get a confederite flag and put it on there car or on a flag pole by the school!!!UGGGGHHH it is not racist it is the taxation on cotton and ummm my ancistors picked cotton.... And the only people who wear confederate flags are mostly rebels and ya no what the rebels freed the slaves!!!!! Mr. Mann has anything to say about this than he can say it... black pople can wear shirts the have their heritage y cant the whites... It is apart of this states history mayb we r supporting out state... are we not allowed to do that r we not allowed to show how we feel anymore... I cant wait till feb. the blacks wear all black and how much ya wanna bet that they dont get in trouble for it!!! Mr.mann and mr.minor supposubly wore blk shirts to.. THIS SKOOL IS RACIST!!!! and if i hear another blk person say another thing like i hate george bush well THAT OFFENDS ME bcuz it has nothin to do with me.... and if anyone says nething to me like it is free speech i will say so is DIXI OUTFITERS!!!!!

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Submitted by ManofGreatLogic on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 8:20pm.

They should vote Democrat like their fathers, grandfathers, and previous generations.

Real Southerners vote Democrat.

The flag you refer to (Confederate Battle Flag) was only in use for four years (officially). The Democratic party has been (trying) to fight for hard working Southerners since the early 1800s. But you keep voting Republican, and you keep getting screwed in the South. Now, you can keep voting because of abortion, religion, etc, but those issues aren't ever going to change much. What about healthcare, jobs, care for your Southern environment? You Southerners claim to love the South. PROVE IT! Vote Democrat.


Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 10/14/2006 - 8:53pm.

Government programs promoted by the Democrats have enslaved more blacks than the old southern 'masters' ever could have. Look at any inner city under black control and you can see that those poverty pimps have done so much to convince blacks that they cannot succeed that many actually believe it. I strongly suggest you (and anyone else who cares about how the Democrats, Sharpton, Jackson and the rest have psychologically impeeded two generations of blacks) read "Scam" by Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson. As a black man from the south who also happens to be a proud Republican I take great exception to your logic. If you stop to think, if only for a second, do you know of any 'poor' civil rights activists? Blacks are moving to the Republican party in large numbers. What has the Democratic party ever done for a working black man? Even civil rights legislation was passed because of the Republican party. Abe Lincoln was a Republican- George Wallace was a Democrat. I could go on forever but I know I will not change your mind. Democrats will give you a fish, Republicans will teach you to fish. Do you want to eat for a day or a lifetime?

Submitted by aprilw on Sat, 10/14/2006 - 9:28pm.

I am not black, but I agree that the Democrats use poor people (black and white) to get votes, but yet do not do anything to really help them succeed.

Submitted by Run Like Hell on Sat, 10/14/2006 - 9:56pm.

Very smart comment!

Submitted by aprilw on Sat, 10/14/2006 - 10:02pm.

trying to engage oldschoolfootball and others in a debate, but apparently they have signed off and left you, and obviously you are not capable of a good debate so I will sign off now.

Bye Bye

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 5:37am.

The Democrats of yesteryear were both racist and fiscal conservatives. They were probably against abortion as well, but no one asked about that back then. After the civil rights legislation passed in the 1960's under Lyndon Johnson, the Southern Democrats became Rupublicans. That's a fact. You could look it up.
meow


Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 10:08pm.

Another perspective

The same 'history' and 'symbols' can have different meaning and bring up different emotions in citizens of the South. The Confederate Flag was the flag of the South during the Civil War. (Four years) To those whose families immigrated to this land from Europe - it meant traditions of gentility, mint juleps, large plantations, small farms, friendly neighbors, etc., etc., etc. To those whose families were brought here on slave ships - it meant disruption of family life, beating, lynching, a poverty of soul and spirit. After the Civil War, the Confederate Flag was used to intimidate 'blacks' for years under the rule of Jim Crow, and the KKK. A wonderful friend of mine did not realize that many blacks feel threatened by this symbol. She feels - and it is her right to feel this - that the flag symbolizes southern traditions and culture. . .for this is what she was taught - and this has been her experience. If southerners, who now complain about the teaching of 'black history’, do not understand why blacks find the 'symbol' of the Confederate Flag offensive - then they have not been taught 'black history'. There are many citizens of the south who now get along with one another - and through dialogue - should be able to understand what that symbol means to the descendants of white immigrants and black slaves. I believe that there are many who wear the symbol of the Confederate Flag - who don't have a racist thought . . .but to a black person who doesn't know them . . .the reaction of any black person MAY be fear and intimidation. . . and anger. There is a need for honest dialogue here. We have too many enemies in other countries - we don't need to fight among ourselves. The South fought a war to preserve a way of life and an economy that was the envy of the world.. . .based on slave labor. After the war – in order to restore order and a semblance of life as it was before the war . . .blacks were relegated to a subservient/slave position by law. The laws have changed; the South has changed. Let’s don’t bring back the fear, anger, and hate that lies smoldering in the grave because of a lack of understanding of one another’s perspective.

Submitted by Take back Fayette on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:56am.

admit it. You think people don't see right thru you?

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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 8:08am.

...because I don't "see right through" her at all.

Even where I do not fully agree with her, I respect the articulate and diplomatic way in which she argues her case. If more people--on either side--were like Sandra the quality of dialog here would be greatly improved.

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Submitted by L B P on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:44am.

Very well put.

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Submitted by WakeUp on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 9:00pm.

We did. We got Jimmy Carter. We learned our lesson and now vote Republican.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 7:09pm.

First, this isn’t the “Myspace” blog. Most of the people here at least try ant type correctly. Please try and join them.

If that’s the best a “Student@flat rock” can type/spell, forget about the principal and go after the teachers.


Submitted by Student@flat rock on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 7:27pm.

again i am sorry for the lang. i used. i am very angry about this and wish that i hadnt of posted that comment saying the words that it said.
and people now days use slang 4 computers. sorry for that comment and please avoid it

Submitted by tyrone teen 6 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 5:29pm.

Ok, so whoever thinks that everybody didn't pick cotton for a living, to survive, needs to read A Painted House by John Grisham. That'll teach you. Everybody picked cotton before the civil war happened, and the flag symbolized the south, and it still does.

I personally have the shirt that the girl was wearing, and im going with, they people are Hispanic. I like the shirt, and Im gonna continue to wear it. I know the girl who wore the shirt personally, and she is not racist but she was born and raised in the south, and she IS proud of her heritage.

I love the south, but it has changed drastically, especially Fayette County. I've lived here all my life. It makes me sick to think that black people here would cry over a shirt like that. It also makes me so mad that the kids at Flat Rock dont know their Georgia history. If they did, they would know that that shirt is not offensive, but simply history, and part of black and white peoples heritage.

Im proud to say I was born and raised in the south.

Submitted by kait318 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 4:44pm.

As a 2001 graduate of SMHS I would just like to say that these same shirts were worn when I attended school and there were NEVER any problems with racial comments. In fact everyone pretty much got along. I find it crazy that these things are going on and especially in a middle school. It seems that by the time my child will be in school I will definately be considering another county to live in, the sad thing is, that will only be 4 years from now.

Submitted by fclassonly on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 4:41pm.

I moved to GA over 15yrs ago and at that time when I first saw the flag I thought 'way cool'...all it reminded me of was the Civil War and how right on this very land our forefathers fought.

I loved how when we went to the stadium or dome/theater the songs that were played were "Dixie" and other songs reminicent of the South (of which I had heard about all my life) and loved and respected.

My point is that all the things that made me love the South have been obliterated...no more flag, no more dixie (of any kind) and now it seems there's Kwanza, Ebony TV, Black History Month, Spellman, etc etc etc . Now where is the traditional heritage? Haven't they just erased the past and all the good that went with it? Someone jokingly said at work the other day that next thing they'll want is their own 'water fountain'. It just saddens me...our whole nation in attempting not to offend some one has become beige brown pablum.

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Submitted by masked08 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 3:26pm.

Does anyone have a link to a picture of the shirt that supposedly started all of this?


Submitted by sickandtired on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 2:08pm.

This is information I found on the webiste:

School Protest Shirts
Dixie Outfitters supports all students who wish to show their pride in their Southern Heritage by wearing shirts to school that feature the Confederate Battle Flag.

We believe that banning of the Confederate Battle Flag by public schools is a violation of students right to freedom of speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. Further, these unconstitutional bans discriminate against persons of Southern heritage and are an insult to those who have Confederate ancestors. Such discrimination is a violation of the Civil Rights act of 1964.

These bans perpetuate ignorance and misunderstanding about the true history of the Confederacy and the Confederate Battle Flag. It is the mandate of public schools to educate its students in true history. The Confederate Battle flag is a historical flag of the Southern soldier who fought for the principles espoused by the founding fathers of the United States. Historical facts, not politically correct positions, should be taught by our schools.

It is not the mandate of our public schools to deny its students of the fundamental freedoms enjoyed by American citizens. It is not the mandate of our schools to deny Southern students symbols of their heritage while allowing other ethnicities their symbols of heritage. Public school students who are denied their freedom to express themselves should protest this injustice.

Dixie Outfitters new series of shirts called " Public School Protest Shirts" are designed to help students who feel abused and discriminated against because of their Southern heritage. These shirts do not contain the Confederate Battle Flag, but they do effectively communicate your feelings regarding the trampling of your rights.

We encourage you to make your feelings known to your school through these shirts. We offer them at a special price of $5.00 each.

Submitted by Atlanta29 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 1:19pm.

You kids are asking for a uniform. If people keep making a big deal over this type of stuff, they will soon find themselves wearing a uniform. If people keep getting offended by what someone else is wearing and keep making big deals out of it. Soon they will all be wearing the same thing. How does that sound kids??? Dress pants and single colored polo shirts for everyone that you parent will have to pay for. No more cool pants or shirts etc.

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Submitted by Emmyjune on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 12:26pm.

This makes me sick to my stomach. Unfortunately, the more time passes, it becomes more evident that there will ALWAYS be a double-standard in our society. Something supposedly offends blacks? Oh, NO! We have to eliminate it in order to relieve racial tensions! They want something handed to them? We have to give it to them. They want their own exclusive t.v. networks, beauty pageants, colleges, etc.? Let them do whatever they want! Because they're black, and apparently somewhere along the way they decided they deserve it; and we decided we owe it to them. Where will it end?
God forbid we have an all-white school. Or an all-white t.v. network. Or a White History Month? Of course not!-- That might hurt their feelings!


Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 5:34pm.

Whites have had it their own way for the better part of this country's existence. Keep in mind it wasn't until the 60's that then President Johnson signed the Voting Rights Act. We don't feel we "deserve" it. These are inalieable rights granted to all citizens of this country. Separate schools came from the simple fact that we weren't welcomed/allowed in mainstream institutions. The other events came about for the same reasons. Your use of the term "exclusive" merely demonstrates your own ignorance of history and its subsequent events. As long as you and people like you continue to view relations with an us-against-them mentality, there truly is no hope for this country. No offense.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 5:57pm.

It was over fifty years ago. Times have changed. People have changed.

We have learned. We have grown.


Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:21pm.

then why are we here seeing this type behavior in a middle school where one would expect this generation to be more tolerant? I agree with you that times have changed, but people on the other hand are slow to accept it.

Submitted by Sweet Honesty on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 11:32am.

Once again, I see things pretty much the way 30 year resident does. Looks to me like there is a double standard at this school. But, I'm sure this is not the only instance. The rules regarding dress code and like issues are written to accomodate certain people, and these students are smart enough to recognize that. So, of course they are going to rebel. I remember telling my husband several years ago (about the time coward Barnes took the flag away) that this would open a can of worms that probably never be closed. That seems to be happening still. There may come a time when instead all things Southern being just "looked down on", some things will be totally banned. What would you do in a similar situation??

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Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 11:23am.

Like it or not the confederate flag is part of Georgia's history and always will be so for all the schools changing the dresscodes because you are afraid someone will wear a part of history then shame on you!!These days it seems that we are bending over backwards to make sure nobody gets their feelings hurt but this takes the cake! I have one of these shirts and love it! It's not like it's promoting the KKK.
I will make sure my kids have several of these shirts! BTW, I am offended that there is a Black entertainment channel and not a white entertainment channel so there!!


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Submitted by parent on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 11:30am.

I'm offended because there is an organization like the NAACP, and there's a National Black Beauty Pageant, and there is all Black school called Spellman College. But have I got up and started screaming and yelling for equal rights?


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Submitted by parent on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 11:18am.

that the ban is only at FRMS because the administration there are the racist? By not handling the situation professionally in the beginning or not addressing it at all, the administration of the school has continued to add fuel to the flame. We don't need administrators stirring up racial violence in our schools, we have enough of it being caused by black kids who were born to unwed teenage mothers, who have been raised on teenage values, who expect to have everything handed to them rather than get a decent job and be a respectable citizen.


Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:33pm.

that only blacks could bear illegitimate children and be unwed teenage mothers. Good thing we have such an enlightened social academic like yourself to keep us all informed.

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Submitted by fulton4 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 10:37am.

how about implementing a "dress code"? Please note I didn't say "uniform". My children went to a school in another state where the dress code was enforced....blue, white or khaki shirts with NO writing or slogans on them; blue, white or khaki pants.

Seems like this is pretty easily solved.


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Submitted by sweetpea8870 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 12:45pm.

It can't be solved that easy because the parents will say they can't afford to buy their kids uniforms but I bet you will se them at Shannon mall loading up on the FUBU and all of the other gangsta crap they wear!


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Submitted by fulton4 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 1:50pm.

I guess if you can't wear the uniform, then you can't come to school. Pretty easy to me.

If you can buy your kids the FUBU, then head over to Sears and buy them khaki pants (that actually sit correctly on their wasit) and a navy polo shirt along with a navy belt.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 10:33am.

I don't get the hoopla. It would cut down on PEER pressure amongst the kids. Give the kids 3-4 choices of approved shirts and be done with it. Plain polo shirts are cheaper anyways.

Fubu, Malcom X, Dixie Outfitters et al, are fleecing our pocketbooks selling these overpriced things.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 9:38am.

Apparently there is a selection of clothing at Dixie Outfitters just for the administration of Flat Rock Middle School. Got to love it.

School Protest Shirts

Let’s see how long it will take for Mr. Mann to ban them all.


Submitted by 30YearResident on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 9:05am.

That rules and regulations are written to surpress native southern caucasians from historical pride, but there are no such provisions to surpress minorities from expressing their historical pride.
February (I think) is "Black History Month" and we will see t-shirts, posters, programs, etc.
Where is the equal toleration and treatment for white southern heritage?

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Submitted by fulton4 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 10:39am.

If we are to celebrate "Black History Month" during February...can you imagine the uproar from the black community if there was a "White History Month"?

THAT would NEVER fly.


Submitted by brandy82 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 8:05am.

I went to Flat Rock Middle(many years ago..) and I'm going to say the same thing I did back then,(because obv, nothing has changed!) Here is food for thought, how 'bout concentrating on education instead of who's wearing what? And for all you kids out there raising this stink over clothing...GROW UP! You are not at all offended by these shirts, the only reason your saying anything is to cause more drama, your bored, it was the same situation when i went there and it's pittiful. parents, what are you teaching your children? Wheather my daughter wants to wear a dixie outfitters shirt or a FUBU who cares...it's a shirt! And as for Mr. Mann...Treat your students fairly, and oh yeah, stop flirting with your African American students! (yes, we noticed it at Sandy Creek!)

Submitted by MWF on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 11:26am.

This is absolutely true. My child went to Flat Rock years ago and it was the same then. The black students often go unpunished because the teachers and administration are afraid of lawsuits. If you were a teacher or principal and knew that you could lose your entire career and reputation for punishing a black student (fairly) what would you do? You would be afraid of having your whole life destroyed. Black students could call white students names, call them profane names, or steal from them and nothing would be done about it. A white student could easily get detention for something as simple as brushing their hair in class or passing a note. Can you imagine how frustrating this is for white students? I can tell you from personal knowledge this has been going on in the schools for many years, and I am sure it is not just in Fayette County. From time to time black parents have complained that their children were not punished equally, and they were absolutely correct, but not in the way they would have you believe. The black students are punished less than the white ones. I have no problem with equality, but it does not exist; what we have is special treatment for black students. There was a particular day every year when the blacks would have an economic boycott and not do business with any white-owned companies to show the impact they could have on the economy. On that day some (not all) of the black students refused to speak to any of the white students. When it comes to white on black racism, blacks are always harping that it is learned at home; what about black on white racism? My child did not learn racism at home. He/she went to an elementary school where there were three or four black students in his/her grade level and everyone got along and had good times together. When they all moved up to middle school where there were numerous blacks, the ones my child had gone to school with turned on the white students they had grown up with and became part of the pack mentality. It was the attitude of some (not all) of the black students that created feelings of ill will among white students who had not learned racism from their parents. Equality is not a problem; feeling entitled to special treatment is a big problem and things will never get better if that attitude is not eliminated.

Submitted by token_school on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 11:40am.

We moved from another county and my child's best friend was black. Mine came with an open mind, only to get turned by the things you mentioned. When I sat him/her down to talk about it, they said, "When we were little, we were all the same." Then he/she mentioned a child they had been friends with since moving here, but hadn't been over in a couple of years. "Remember XYZ? Remember how well he/she spoke? Today Mama, you couldn't understand him. He is so into the Gangsta thing, you would know him."
That child came from a good family. Bill Crosby is right!

Submitted by Atlanta29 on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 7:16am.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The First Amendment is one of the 10 original amendments to the United States Constitution known as the "Bill of Rights." The first Congress presented these amendments to the legislatures of the colonial states on Sept. 25, 1789. Virginia was the last state to ratify them, on Dec. 15, 1791.

National Freedom of Speech Week (NFSW) from October 16 to 22, 2006.
Each year, the third full week of October will be designated as a time when all Americans can celebrate this fundamental freedom.

Submitted by Listening on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 6:40am.

The racial tensions at Sandy Creek and its feeder school, Flat Rock have been brewing for quite some time. The banning of the Confederate flag didn't open a racial chasm, it only illustrated the need for change (system wide) in Fayette county. If you listen closely, you'll hear parents and teachers lamenting the racial inequality at our fine schools all over the county. You've heard of being stopped for Driving while black? If you'd like to aviod a mandatory suspension, try Fighting while Black in a fayette county school. white kid fight, suspension; black kid fight, shhhhh. White superiority T-shirt, bad; Black superiority T-shirt, shhhh. Get a backbone Fayette county administrators! YOU are creating the racial tensions (our kids are just following your lead). Wearing the confederate flag is like wearing an all encompassing white gang symbol,Wearing FUBU and Malcom X are like wearing all encompassing black gang symbols. GET RID OF THEM ALL IN OUR SCHOOLS.

Submitted by Concerned Citizen on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 5:50am.

Will there never be any common sense applied to this situation? This is political correctness run amok. Students wearing a confederate flag on a shirt depicting cotton is NOT offensive. Forcing the children to stop wearing the flag only causes them to want to rebel and their parents to freak out. Whats wrong with telling those offended: Get over it! Likewise, a FUBU shirt or a Malcolm X shirt is worn and the white kids flip out: Get over it! Your being offended does not override my right to wear my shirt. Shirts of a provoking nature (USE COMMON SENSE) are excluded and kids wearing them should be punished per the dress code.

What a surprise, there is racial tension in the schools. It's always been there and our solution to this point has been to try and make everyone happy. News flash: Racists and bigots have always been sending their kids to school and you can't make them happy! The children learn it from their parents. Try this: White parent protests black student wearing FUBU shirt. White parent calls school demanding shirt not be worn. School says: “sorry, the shirt falls within the guidelines of the dress code, get over it”. When white parent wants to remove child from school refer them to the truancy officers.

The worst thing that could happen to this situation is to bury it. Tell people to get over themselves and deal with it, it's life. That is a little of what these kids are supposed to be learning about right?

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Submitted by Basmati on Wed, 10/11/2006 - 6:05am.

If you look closer at the shirt in question, you'll see a number of black men picking cotton in the background. I believe that is what has gotten some folks riled up.

If students put as much effort into studying as they did jawing about the Flag of Traitors, I suspect FRMS wouldn't lag so far behind Booth and Fayette Middle schools.


Submitted by 30YearResident on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 4:39pm.

I could have never figured out the race of those depicted in the fields on that shirt....How big of a magnifying glass did you use?
By the way, my mother and her 8 brothers and sisters picked cotton in order to support themselves and their mother after losing their farm for back taxes in the teens and 1920's ... we're white and I have no problem seeing people depicted in cotton fields... some folks are just downright ignorant of history and the facts.

Submitted by FayetteFlyer on Thu, 10/12/2006 - 7:43pm.

Your ancestors were COMPENSATED for picking cotton. You're right. Some folks are downright ignorant of history and facts. Then there are those who chose to ignore them.

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