The KKK has used the United States Of America's "Stars and Stripes" flag MORE than compared to the Confederate Battle Flag.
http://www.rulen.com/kkk/

As for the liberations you speak of...........The majority of the liberators were Southern boys, not yanks!

try googling KKK and confederate flag and you come up with a VERY different result, nice try at a smoke job.

http://kelticklankirk.com/ARM_CPR_CSA_KKK_index.htm

http://nsm88records.com/shop/index.php?cPath=26

http://www.indexstock.com/store/GetThumb.asp/ImageNum=423144&VOLID=743&gc=gc1&ss=1/IndexStock-T-423144.jpg

http://www.wtblock.com/wtblockjr/confeder.htm

http://www.klanstore.com/store/index.php

We can swap links all day long, it will not change the fact, the klown's choice of flag is the U.S., today, as in the 20's. I admit, the Battle flag has been tarnished by groups as the naacp, but so has the U.S. flag.

I'm not trying to wrap the klowns into the U.S. flag, I'm saying they wrap themselves in it.

The klown's is a group of weak kneed mama's boys all having a small p***s. Today's klown membership is small enough to stuff into a bedpan.

They are larger in the Midwest and Northern states. Reason for this:
The New Great Migration: Black Americans' Return to the South, 1965-2000
http://www.brookings.edu/urban/pubs/20040524_Frey.pdf

Ohio and Indiana in the 1920's were the largest Klan states. These are Northern states. A photo of a 1920's Klan rally in Washington DC shows perhaps 100,000 or 200,000 Klansmen all waving U.S. flags. Yes that is correct--the Stars and Stripes. Not a single Confederate flag in America's largest KKK rally.
The Klan activities referenced in the websites in the above comment above are just small groups of misguided individuals who are abusing and misusing the Confederate flag. Propagandists who are conducting the cultural war to smear and destroy Confederate symbols use this group of misfits for their dishonorable purposes. Many Americans have swallowed their propaganda bait hook, line, and sinker.

You can try to wrap the KKK in the US Flag, it will not work. Maybe the morons in the 20's thought it would show they were good loyal Americans, which they were NOT, they were racist scum.

They may have waved Old Glory in front of the cameras for PR, but it was a completely different banner for them during night rides, lynchings and cross burning.

http://www.paper-dragon.com/1939/gallery/images/1939%20-%20Pro-Nazi%20German%20American%20Bund%20rally.jpg

http://www.shoaheducation.com/bund.jpg

I would rather fly the flag of the honourable side that lost than fly the flag of the dishonourable side that won. The US as a republic died in 1861, and has since been a Yankee Empire. The proper way to display the US flag today is upside-down, which would represent America in distress.

The US flag flew over nearly nine decades of slavery, not becoming unconstitutional until eight months AFTER the so-called Civil War. The Confederate flag flew over four years of slavery, but was in the process of being phased out. The US flag flew over many slave ships; the Confederate flag flew over none. The US flag flew over ATROCITIES committed against Southern civilians during the war. The US flag flew over PILLAGE of the South during so-called Reconstruction. The US flag flew over the attempted genocide of American Indians. The US flag, more often than not, is the flag of choice for white supremacist groups. The US flag flies over at least 44 MILLION murdered unborn babies since abortion became legal. That's a worse record than Hitler's Nazis, monsters that they were.

Some people like to say, "Well, the US is still the best country in the world." That's like saying that this snake is less poisonous than that snake. I don't like getting bitten by any of them. And given time, it'll be as poisonous as any of them.

I have a problem with the way so many Americans literally idolise the US flag, even in churches. I have a problem with the US flag flying ABOVE the Christian flag, as if to say, "This god should be worshiped first." Wrong! Excuse me, but the US flag was not found inside the Ark of the Covenant.

I have a problem with the Pledge of Allegiance; here's why: 1) The original version was written by a defrocked socialist Yankee preacher in the early 1890's for the "benefit" of Southern schoolchildren in the attempt to brainwash them into being good little scalawags. 2) It was not written by any of the Founding Fathers. 3) We should not pledge allegiance to a piece of fabric. 4) The United States is no longer a republic of sovereign states. 5) Being "indivisible" at the point of a bayonet is tyranny. 6) And "with liberty and justice for all" makes an excellent punchline. The "under God" part is the only good thing about it.

I do not worship any of the Confederate flags, nor do I pledge allegiance to them. I do, however, salute the Confederate flag with affection, reverence, and undying devotion to the Cause for which it stands, which is Christian constitutional government, resistance to tyranny, and Southern heritage. I PROUDLY display my Confederate Third National flag. If that's a problem with any Yankees or Yankee-lovin' scalawags, oh, well. Stay out of the South.

But don't let me confuse anyone with the truth. By all means, stubbornly and in ignorance hang on to the culturally Marxist and essentially atheist Yankee Empire. Be a good komrade.

Actually, I maintain "County Rights" and believe that Fayette County should have a right to secede from the State of Georgia. I argued with my neighbor who believes in "City Rights," and has even talked about firing the first Sumter-like shot on the Fayette Courthouse. He think that cities have the right to secede from counties. But the guy down the street argues that *he* has a right to secede from the city. Last time I saw him, he was barricading his property and preparing for all-out war.

At any rate, this is your song, apparently.

I'm A Good Old Rebel

Oh, I'm a good old Rebel
Now that's just what I am
For this fair land of freedom
I do not care a damn.
I'm glad I fit against it
I only wish we'd won.
And I don't want no pardon
For anything I've done.

I hates the Constitution
This great Republic too
I hates the Freedmen's Buro
In uniforms of blue.
I hates the nasty eagle
With all his brag and fuss
But the lyin', thievin' Yankees
I hates' em wuss and wuss.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Lies still in Southern dust
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us
They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can't take up my musket
And fight' em now no mo'
But I ain't a-goin'to love' em
Now that is sartin sho'
And I don't want no pardon
For what I was and am
And I won't be reconstructed
And I do not give a damn.

--

Original Photo: Urinal, The Eagle & Child, Oxford, UK, circa 1952 (Lewis and Tolkien no doubt stood here, elbow-to-elbow and talked philosophy and literature)

And an embarassment to the Church, The Saviour, and the Christian flag you denegrate with your hateful attitudes. The only difference between you and Cynthia McKinney is your color. YOU FREAK AND TRAITOR

NO DEFENSE NECESSARY, NO APOLOGIES OFFERED
http://shnvarticles.blogspot.com/2006/10/no-defense-necessary-no-apologies.html

"The good news is that your opinion is a small minority" ArmyMAJretired

Our numbers are larger than you'll admit. : ^ )

Yes.

But I suspect that your cranial capacities are smaller than you'll admit.

(Sorry. This isn't really like me. But GOOD GOD!)

--

Original Photo: Urinal, The Eagle & Child, Oxford, UK, circa 1952 (Lewis and Tolkien no doubt stood here, elbow-to-elbow and talked philosophy and literature)

I'm a Conservative country boy and an extremely successful businessman. I'm also white guy and I'm not looking for your apologies. My guess is that you are to the United States of America what Tim McVeigh was. A freaking losing traitor looking to blame someone else for you having to live in a trailer house in the middle of Alababma somewhere with a wife who can't grow teeth.

I are a business man too. I got me a doublewide!

Have y'all noticed, the people without a culture, are the one's most angered by anything Southern?... Envy will do that to yankees don't ya know?

A View of the Yankee People

A Confederate officer captured at Gettysburg was writing to some friends on another subject when his mind turned to the Yankees:

"They believed their manners and customs more enlightened, their intelligence and culture immeasurably superior. Brim-full of hypocritical cant and puritan ideas, they preach, pray, and whine. The most parsimonious of wretches, they extol charity; the most inveterate blasphemers, they are the readiest exporters; the worst of dastards, they are the most shameless boasters; the most selfish of man, they are the most blatant philanthropists; the blackest-hearted hypocrites, they are religious fanatics. They are agitators and schemers, braggarts and deceivers, swindlers and extortioners, and yet pretend to Godliness, truth, purity, and humanity. The shibboleth of their faith is, 'The union must and shall be preserved,' and they hold on to this with all the obstinacy peculiar to their nature. They say that we are a benighted people, and are trying to pull down that which God himself built up.

"Many of these bigots express great astonishment at finding the majority of our men could read and write; they have actually been educated to regard the Southern people as grossly illiterate, and little better than savages. The whole nation lives, breathes, and prospers in delusions; and their chiefs control the spring of the social and political machine with masterly hands.

"I could but conclude that the Northern people were bent upon the destruction of the South. All appeared to deprecate the war, but were unwilling to listen to a separation of the old union. They justified the acts of usurpation on the part of their government, and seem submissive to the tyranny of its acts on the plea of military necessity; they say that the union is better than the Constitution, and bow their necks to the yoke in the hope of success against us. A great many, I believe, act from honest and conscientious principles; many from fear and favour; but the large majority entertained a deep-seated hatred, envy, and jealousy towards the Southern people and their institutions.

"They know (yet they pretend not to believe it) that Southern men and women are their superiors in everything relating to bravery, honesty, virtue, and refinement, and they have become more convinced of this since the present war; consequently, their worst passions have become aroused, and they give way to frenzy and fanaticism.

"We must not deceive ourselves; they are bent upon our destruction, and differ mainly in the means of accomplishing this end. However, much as sections and parties that hate each other, yet, as a whole, they hate us more.

"They are so entirely incongruous to our people that they and their descendants will ever be our natural enemies." He was so right.

I had to laugh for an organization that likes to cite "facts" on their "HERITAGE ALERT" page they have the following feedbak info for Flat Creek T-Shirt flap!

Flat Rock School
788 COUNTY ROAD 326
Flat Rock, AL 35966
Phone Number: (256) 632-2323

Jackson County School District

Wonder what other facts need to be checked.

Flat Creek??? Flat Creek??? Drinking man?

I am man enough to admit when I make a mistake. I live in PTC and my sons went to Kedron. Flat Creek Drive is near to me, so I had a momentary brain fart. At least I know what state it is in!

The piont being how accurate the web site you cited is.

OH, BTW to your other question, I served with 2/16 In, 1st Infantry Division, BIG RED ONE during Desert Storm, I cleared my share of trenches and bunkers but in no way claim anywhere near the combat time of other veterans. I was in the right place at the right time.

Mrs. ArmyMAJretired is also a vet, a MAJ (ret) we both draw yankee army retirement checks, so thanks for your share.

P.S.

Beside Combat Infantry Badge and Bronze Star, I have attended and graduated, Airborne school, Ranger School and Bradley Fighting Vehicle couses at Benning School for boys, served at Fort Hood, TX, Fort Knox, KY and have never run into Flaggots who denegrate our flag and country, just lucky I guess.

The many graduates of VMI, the Cidadel, Dahlonga and other southern schools that I served with were gentlemen, serving OUR nation proudly. They never showed or spoke about "their flag" because they know that some of our soldiers were offended by it.

An outstanding military dossier! Thanks and God bless your service to freedom!

I too am a vet, nothing glorious. I did two tours in the nam. Brown Water Navy, Gunboat M60 bucket gunner. "Service ribbon and Combat badge" No hero stuff.

I can provide many photos of the Confederate flag being flown in nam "if you wish"... Did you see any in Iraq? I have a few from there too.

I truly do wish we could debate without name calling and slander. It takes away from the subject and just ain't nice... Will you agree??

Please, defending, loving and caring for one's heritage, does not make one un-American.

Still doesn't get it! He is clueless as to the misinformation he tried to feed us.

Why don't you explain it to this slow witted person.

ArmyMAJretired,

Y'all will fail to anger me...Mama raised me better. You folk just can't help the way you are.

I do have a question, MAJretired. Were you ever in combat?

You can reply here if you wish, heck, any of y'all can:
poptn@yahoo.com

That's too funny Major!

Well said, Okie! The "under God" was not added to the pledge of allegience until Ike, the "hero of Budapest" came along. Trying to confuse liberals & yankee partisans with the truth is kind of like trying to teach a pig to sing: it is a waste of time & it aggrivates the pig.
Keep it flying!
Natbro

Gee, it's so bad here, how can you put up with it? Especially with all us damn yankees enjoying your southern charm and hospitality.

The good news is that your opinion is a small minority, shared by some flaggots.

I hope you don't take any gubment money from those nasty yankees.

I am very interested in your statement that slavery was in the process of being phased out. Where can I find out more information about that?

How can you stand being part of this society when you hate our flag and our values?

Nobody is hating the US Flag here, they are standing up for the Confederate Flag, as well as our ancestors "Honor Thy Mother and Thy Father". As a so called Veteran, you should also be in line with us opposing the Anti Confederate Lobby, but you only hurl derision and call names ('Flaggots' ala neal boortz)

As a former employee of the United States Armed Services, how can you sleep at night knowing while you bash and trash one set of Veterans, the same Government that hired you and gave you the rank of Major and is paying your retirement and medical benefits also declared the following:

" Public Law 85-425 adopted May 23, 1958 as H.R. 358

AN ACT

To increase the monthly rates of pension payable to widows and former widows of deceased veterans of the Spanish-American War, Civil War, Indian War, and Mexican War, and provide pensions to widows of veterans who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War...

CONFEDERATE FORCES VETERANS

Sec. 410. The Administrator shall pay to each person who served in the military or naval forces of the Confederate States of America during the Civil War a monthly pension in the same amounts and subject to the same conditions as would have been applicable to such... if such forces had been service in the military or naval service of the United States.

Sec. 2. This act shall be effective from the first day of the second calendar month following its enactment.

Approved May 23, 1958.

Why do you abhore those who cherish southern heritage Major? I am surprised at you. Did you know that blacks fought in the confederacy?

http://www.scvcamp469-nbf.com/theblackconfederatesoldier.htm

When if ever will we be able to respect the individual and their choice to take pride in their own heritage? As a Republican I am a state's rights man....I thought you were too. Guess who fought for state's rights?
Allow every man to take pride is his existence. "I think, therefore I am". ((Descartes))

What are you trying to accomplish with all your blogs King? I know the dogma of your type…..been there done that but then I grew up. Sorry to say but your kind will never be the majority. The US flag, as has been pointed out, has flown over many episodes that the US could forget however there are more times it has been a welcome sign. I know the Confederate flag’s past. It is based off the Scottish flag, a flag in itself that was born from rebellion against Britain. Maybe once upon a time it stood for something wholesome but that was a very short period long ago. Now the symbol has been adopted primarily by racist organizations that identify with needing an upstart cause. It is the racist organizations that take things and twist them into their web of lies, as symbols of cultural identity. This began during the civil war for the confederate flag. The Nazis did the same with their local culture. Native Americans used the swastika as a symbol of luck. The Germanic tribes used it as a symbol of raw power, a symbol of the sun. it was an innocent symbol that had absolutely nothing to do with hatred. It was part of the runic system of the time. leave it to the twisted and hateful to change that forever.

Klan aside, you will never convince me that it is not a symbol of hatred. Confederate hammer Skins use the flag as the backdrop for their mark. I have seen what happens to people in the hands of those who are marked with the confederate symbol. Name an instance in history that the Confederate flag has flown for a wholesome cause. I know the twisted the points of debate of your type. Next blog you will be trying to convince us that the holocaust did not happen or perhaps the imoprtance of “14 words”.

By the way, for those who saw the link for nsm88records, 88 stands for the 8th letter of the alphabet, HH, which stands for Heil Hitler.
It’s about time you grew up King. Your views are going to eat you alive.

You claim to know the Confederate Flags history, coming from the Scottish Flag "...born of rebellion against Britain"

Well, no.

The Scots did fight an army, but not the British. And it certainly wasn't a rebellion. The flag represents the Cross on which St Andrew (Patron Saint of Scotland and Apostle of Jesus Christ) was crucified, and it has been around since 832AD.
The Cross of St Andrew can also be seen on the Jamaican Flag too.

Hate symbol?

Well, rarely.

According to the Anti Defamation League
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp
The BattleFlag is but 1 pictured in a sea of 73 - TWO of which contain the US Colors !
The Confederate Flag http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/racist_confederate_flag.asp
" Although the flag is seen by most Southerners simply as a symbol of Southern pride and heritage, it has been used by some racists to represent white domination of African-Americans."

You wish to know of an instance in history where the Confederate Flag has flown for a wholesome cause.

Well, let's see...

Since it flew over our brave Soldiers in the WBTS, it has flown at Iwo Jima, In Korea, In Viet Nam, In Desert Storm, In Iraq.
It was at the fall of the Berlin Wall. It has been taken into space. It is a symbol used at many sporting events not only here, but in distant places like Ireland. It is part of the history and heritage of some in South America. And let us not forget to mention the original Dukes of Hazzard - just to name a few.