Congressman wants online comment about ‘code of conduct’ deleted

Thu, 09/28/2006 - 4:25pm
By: John Munford

U.S. Congressman Lynn Westmoreland’s press secretary Thursday suggested legal action may be forthcoming against The Citizen over an online blog posted by an anonymous person on the newspaper’s Web site.

Brian Robinson, Westmoreland’s press secretary, said the blog is libelous and he requested the blog to be taken down. Citizen Publisher Cal Beverly declined to do so.

“It’s his Web site. He is liable for that,” Robinson said in an interview Thursday afternoon, adding that Beverly can expect to hear from the congressman’s attorneys.

Robinson said even if Beverly agrees the blog isn’t libelous, he should have it taken down anyway “because it fails to meet journalistic standards.”

Robinson, in a follow-up e-mail, said when he told Westmoreland about the situation, Westmoreland replied: “Brian, don’t worry about it. All that paper is used for is to line bird cages.”

The blog in question was not posted by a Citizen staffer but instead by an anonymous computer user. Non-staff bloggers generally aren’t held to the same standards as traditional journalists throughout cyberspace.

The blogger, who goes by the online moniker SadFayette, wrote a blog entitled “Seabaugh-Westmoreland Code of Conduct,” referring to Westmoreland and also state Senator Mitch Seabaugh, whose district formerly included Peachtree City.

The blogger was one of a number of commenters who have been criticizing the two lawmakers about their support of TDK Boulevard Extension from Peachtree City into a hot new development area of eastern Coweta County.

The anonymous poster alleged that the two legislators have “codes of conduct,” the content of which drew the complaint from Westmoreland’s office.

In the listing of the so-called “codes of conduct” SadFayette wrote:

“ADULTERY: It’s legal; its ok

“DRUNKENENSS (sic) ON SUNDAY WITH THE LIQUOR LOBBYISTS AT THE SPORTING EVENTS WHICH WE DON’T HAVE TO PAY FOR AND HANG OUT WITH YOUNG GIRLS, ALL ON THE SABBATH: It’s legal; its ok

“LIE ABOUT REASONS FOR TDK: It’s legal; its ok

“MISREPRESENT YOUR BUSINESS CONNECTIONS: It’s legal; its ok

“TAKE THE LORD’S NAME IN VAIN: It’s legal; its ok

“Hey, wait...Those were some of the Ten Commandments. Now I must apologize. That’s not fair. Lynn and Mitch only know the Three Commandments.”

“Show me where Lynn has said that in public or private,” Robinson said. “They are baseless allegations. It was a character attack in an attempt to defame Mr. Westmoreland’s character ... not an opinion.”

Robinson said the comments run afoul of libel laws, which are intended to protect persons from untrue statements.

“We think this is libelous by the standards of the community,” Robinson said. “We think there was malicious intent. ... If it was a public policy, you have every right to criticize Lynn, he’s fair game.”

Westmoreland is up for re-election this year and is facing opposition from Democrat Mike McGraw.

Robinson also attacked the credibility of The Citizen, claiming it hasn’t printed any positive news about the congressman since he has been in office. But in Wednesday’s edition of The Citizen on page A14, the paper printed a publicity photo provided by Westmoreland’s office of the congressman socializing with members of the Fayette County Chamber of Commerce who visited him.

Following are the e-mails Robinson sent to Citizen publisher Beverly after their initial phone call.

The first e-mail:

“I said you may hear from our attorneys. There was no threat of anything. Your story should not include the word ‘sue’ or ‘threat.’ Neither is true.

“Our phone (sic) consisted of me bringing the blog to your attention, informing you that we think it’s libelous, asking you to take it down and advising you that if that is not done, you would be hearing from our attorneys.

“But then again, I’m sure you think you can have ‘an opinion’ that I ‘threatened to sue’ because apparently ‘opinion’ to you means ‘license to lie or make up facts.’

“Even though I have no reason to believe that we’re (sic) get fair treatment from your newspaper, I gave an interview to your reporter, John Munford.”

The second e-mail:

“And while we’re at it.

“You published a story that quoted Lynn as saying that Fulton County has the PSC issue ‘in hand.’

“No one here every (sic) talked to your reporter, b/c per usual we weren’t called for our side of the story. So Lynn never gave anyone at the Citizen that quote. That phrase hasn’t been used in any constituent mail on the issue.

“So where did that quote come from? The story doesn’t even say.

“Now, you’ve printed letters slamming Lynn about that quote – a quote we never issued.

“Hey, I guess it’s your opinion that he said it’s ‘in hand.’

[EDITOR'S note: See addendum below.]

“There’s something called a journalism degree and I have one. I’m happy to come give a seminar to your ‘newsroom’ – I use the term lightly – to educate you and your staff on citing sources, checking facts and bolstering your credibility. One would have to assume y’all have never heard of such things.

“The only standard you seem to have is: Does it attack Lynn Westmoreland? As long as it passes that test, it’s going on your site or in your newspaper.”

Publisher Beverly had the following response:

“I’m sorry that Congressman Westmoreland felt the need to bring out his legal guns to force us to delete a blogger’s satirical opinions during the middle of an election campaign.

“I decline to be intimidated by a sitting congressman.

“I don’t agree with or subscribe to the anonymous blogger’s opinion about the two public officials, but the blogger is stating an opinion about the supposed opinions of two elected officials. That’s called free speech. There’s an amendment about that in the Constitution.

“However uncomfortable such opinions make me or the elected officials, the public has the right to make comments contained in this particular blog about their elected officials.

“The blogging ability of the public is new ground for many, and while it may make some of us squirm, it is an extension of the people’s right to comment on their elected officials.

“While I might wish that folks would be a tad more gentle or circumspect in stating their opinions, I believe that the public benefits from a freewheeling and open exchange of ideas and opinions on our Web site. Thus, I declined to delete the offending blogger upon the demand of Congressman Westmoreland.

“Harry Truman once famously said, ‘If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.’ I agree with the man from Independence.

“Especially during an election campaign, Mr. Westmoreland should understand that politics can get rough-and-tumble. Somebody who stated recently that ‘I voted for torture,’ should realize the need for tough skin.”

[EDITOR'S NOTE: Following the posting of this story Thursday afternoon, the anonymous blogger apparently signed on to the site and -- using the power given to all authenticated users -- deleted the blog involved in the controversy. The blog was NOT removed by The Citizen staff.]

[Editor's addendum and opinion, added Sept. 29, 2006:

The quote in question in the story above came from the following story in The Citizen, Sept. 13, 2006 ("State EPD: 'We have no records' on treatment plant"):

“Most recently I viewed a letter written by Rep. Lynn Westmoreland in May 2006 asking the Environment Protection Agency that governs between states to even further lessen their restrictions with regard to pesticide containment in the state of Georgia. How much lower can we go?” Biemiller said. “And, all this time I have been wondering why I was told by Rep. Westmoreland’s office that they did not see the need to get involved in our plight with regard to the poisoning of the citizens he represents, ‘they felt Fulton County had it well in hand.’ I, for one, have been jolted out of a dream state and quickly placed into reality with regard to the actions of our elected officials and that of our governing agencies. As chairman of the South Fulton and Fayette Community Task Force, I can say to our citizens that we will not stop until we are safe again and we ask that citizens everywhere in this great state join us in this fight to rid our residential community of toxins that continue to harm us and can potentially kill us.”

Connie Biemiller's contact with Westmoreland's office in Washington, D.C., is the source of the quote in question.

If Congressman Westmoreland has a position that differs from this quote, he has failed to communicate it to this newspaper or to his constituents in North Fayette County, despite the disingenuous deflection by his press secretary.

His office staff is telling constituents what is contained in the quote above; thus, that is Westmoreland's official position.

The fact is that Westmoreland has kept his distance from the PSC plant controversy to this day, as reflected in his office's response to a Fayette constituent quoted above.

If he has changed his mind and has belatedly decided to come to the aid of his Fayette constituents who have been affected by the onion-odor spill, he has not made that known to anybody who is answering his office phones.

So much for "made-up" quotes.

Lynn, where are you? AWOL at this point for the very people you were elected to represent.

— Cal Beverly, editor]

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Submitted by joeAnne on Wed, 05/27/2009 - 3:26pm.

In my opinion these comments shouldn't be deleted because this is the only way people can express themselves and there are problems which need to be solved by us, ordinary people.
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Submitted by andreea360 on Sun, 05/11/2008 - 11:33am.

But that`s not fair! He could want many things, but here, we are a community and we wont stand for this. If he will want something that does not mean we should do it! Why should we?
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Submitted by Cal Beverly on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 4:26pm.

[Editor's addendum and opinion, added Sept. 29, 2006:

The quote in question in the story above came from the following story in The Citizen, Sept. 13, 2006 ("State EPD: 'We have no records' on treatment plant"):

“Most recently I viewed a letter written by Rep. Lynn Westmoreland in May 2006 asking the Environment Protection Agency that governs between states to even further lessen their restrictions with regard to pesticide containment in the state of Georgia. How much lower can we go?” Biemiller said. “And, all this time I have been wondering why I was told by Rep. Westmoreland’s office that they did not see the need to get involved in our plight with regard to the poisoning of the citizens he represents, ‘they felt Fulton County had it well in hand.’ I, for one, have been jolted out of a dream state and quickly placed into reality with regard to the actions of our elected officials and that of our governing agencies. As chairman of the South Fulton and Fayette Community Task Force, I can say to our citizens that we will not stop until we are safe again and we ask that citizens everywhere in this great state join us in this fight to rid our residential community of toxins that continue to harm us and can potentially kill us.”

Connie Biemiller's contact with Westmoreland's office in Washington, D.C., is the source of the quote in question.

If Congressman Westmoreland has a position that differs from this quote, he has failed to communicate it to this newspaper or to his constituents in North Fayette County, despite the disingenuous deflection by his press secretary.

His office staff is telling constituents what is contained in the quote above; thus, that is Westmoreland's official position.

The fact is that Westmoreland has kept his distance from the PSC plant controversy to this day, as reflected in his office's response to a Fayette constituent quoted above.

If he has changed his mind and has belatedly decided to come to the aid of his Fayette constituents who have been affected by the onion-odor spill, he has not made that known to anybody who is answering his office phones.

So much for "made-up" quotes.

Lynn, where are you? AWOL at this point for the very people you were elected to represent.

— Cal Beverly, editor]


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Submitted by KraftyFla on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 5:54pm.

Who would Jesus torture ?


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Submitted by mudcat on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 6:18pm.

But I would and you are certainly a candidate. Please stay in Fla and don't come back.
meow


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:13pm.

CNN article

Scarry.


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:22pm.

Or do congressmen get a "free pass" on trying to diddle aides? If they can prosecute this POS does that mean they can retroactively go after Barney Fag? Oooops, I mean Barney Franks.

Well....at least we know there's a congressman who is worse than our do-nothinger guy. Lyn can always say see....at least I'm not like him. We hope.


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Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 6:39pm.

Trying to conflate consensual adult sexual relations with pedophilia. Typical Git Real Christian values.

Anything goes as long as you get to say "the Democrats do it toooooo!"

The real interesting thing is exactly how many Republican Congressman knew about Foley the predator and covered up for him. Looks like we'll get details in tomorrow's Washington Post.

Foley evidently had a relationship with a young boy for two years 2003-2005, then traded him in for an even younger model. The younger model complained to his congressman (Rep Alexander of Louisiana) who immediately went to the police....nah, that would have been the right thing to do. What Alexander did do was go to the Republican re-election campaign committee and gave everyone a heads up. They didn't notify the police. Can you say "aiding and abetting a child molestor"?

I suspect there will not be much of the situational outrage from the usual suspects here because the bad guys are Republicans.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 7:01pm.

A predator is a freaking predator no matter which side of the aisle he's on. You guys are going to politicize it and of course I have to bring out the point that your guys do it to. You would do the same thing and you well know it.

Give the Republicans credit that when outed we dump our vermin. Can you say the same? How about Congressman Jerry Stubbs (D)who in 1984 diddled a male page. Did he resign or did your side get rid of him. Heck no....he was re-elected and served until his retirement until 1996.

So Basmati. Can you and I agree that we need to take Foley, Alexander, Barney Fag, Stubbs and the other Republican some years back that did the same thing and parachute them into the middle of Taliban Land? I hope you and I are on the same side on this one as I hate these animals no matter which side they're on. I make the Democrats an issue when they're going to politicize this with their own history of overlooking these diseased, sick predators.

If he did it to my son I'd put a bullet throught the SOB's head. I would hope you would be equally upset regardless of what they call themselves. Peace Dude!


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 8:43pm.

In 1983, two lawmakers were censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relationships with teenage pages. Rep. Dan Crane, R-Ill., admitted to sexual relations with a 17-year-old female page, while Rep. Gerry Studds, D-Mass., admitted to sexual relations with a 17-year-old male page.

The ways each lawmaker handled the scandal -- and the consequences they faced afterward -- were very different. Crane apologized for his actions, saying, "I'm human" and "I only hope my wife and children will forgive me." He was subsequently voted out of office in 1984.

Studds, who was openly gay, said the relationship was consensual and charged that the investigation by the House Ethics Committee raised fundamental questions of privacy. He won re-election the following year -- in a more liberal district than Crane's -- and served in Congress until his retirement in 1996


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 4:34pm.

Smiling


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 4:21pm.

Lynn, I want you to represent the "people" of Fayette County.

What's it going to take to get you to do that?

Remember it's the "Appearance of Impropriety " that gets you in trouble.


Submitted by canine on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 3:32pm.

I am surprised no one else has noticed in their rush to attack lynn that Cal failed to answer the most troubling question posted by brian. That is the fact that the citizen has made up quotes from lynn. if this is true then the citizen's credability takes a huge hit in my eyes. of course lynn's staff is going to be upset with the citizen if they are continually making stuff up just to make him look bad. cal mentions that that had a picture of lynn in last weeks paper as a sign that they are not against lynn but does not mention the 3 large editorials against him. in cal's rush to show that he has so much power that he did not have to do what brian said, he failed to understand what the main problem is.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 8:48pm.

Since when does Cal “have to do anything”?

Last I looked he runs this establishment.

If Cal says “thou shale not blog”, than guess what, the blog is shut down. That’s the price you pay.

The minuet Cal is “forced” to print something is when I take exception to the administration. This isn’t Chile, Egypt or Afghanistan, this is America!

If you don’t like the way Cal runs this establishment, go somewhere else. That’s your choice.


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:16pm.

Thanks Cal for not being intimidated by these political hacks. We're solid behind you on this one. For whatever that's worth. Smiling

Alright Bad. It's good to be the king. Quick, name that movie.


bad_ptc's picture
Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:23pm.

I don't have a clue.

Just how old do you think I am?


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:33pm.

I'll give you another hint.

Don't flaunt the wealth in front of the peasants.

Please tell you remember this and that I'm not some old fogie. It's from the seventies I believe. Not the forties so I'm not that old.


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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 7:29am.

OK, smart guy. Where's this quote from?

"No matter what you hear in there, no matter how cruelly I beg you, no matter how terribly I may scream, do not open this door or you will undo everything I have worked for. Do you understand? Do not open this door."

(No Googling)

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The Surfer: That was me in '73!


Submitted by Hardtack on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 7:56am.

And, as soon as he was put into the cell with him, he wanted out!!!

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 7:03pm.

Why Thank You!


Submitted by Hardtack on Sat, 09/30/2006 - 4:23am.

For goodness sake: History of the World, Part l, King Louis XVl: "Its good to be king!" While fondling breasts of courtesan.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:32pm.

I’m sittin here with headphones on listening to “Slow ride” by Foghat cranked up with a Makers-Mark on the rocks.

That’s about as far back as I can go without having to think to hard.

It’s Friday night, what do you want from me?


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:35pm.

That Foghat could be listened to without a haze in the air. Gosh..I don't even know what that means.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 9:44pm.

How apropos, now it’s “Pink Floyd”, “What Do You Want from Me”.

My computer is my MP3 player, 3,200 songs.

P.S. My golfcart is sitting in the garage charging.


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 3:52pm.

Well, Canine, sometimes you get what you ask for. Your demand for answers may be satisfied. Who knows.

I think your critique of Citizen Staff is a bit picayune. Any minor errors may be redressed by the Congressman writing a letter to the Editor. In fact, if you want the Letter to go front and center, maximum exposure, take a few solid shots at Cal Beverly. Interestingly, he will give those top billing. Frankly, I don't think I have the energy to do Munford's job (or anyone over there probably). I think they do a good job. Perfect? No... So, I disagree. I think that the Citizen reporters (and most reporters, including the Fayette Daily News, AJC, etc.) do strive for accuracy and do so under great time constraints.

People like Brian the Younger, in vocations of spin and influence, may be disappointed when the printed word is not entirely in harmony with the candidate's spin. Join the club. But for him to suggest that he will convene a Journalism Seminar at the newspapers' staff meeting to pontificate the word from on high is just a tad arrogant, don't you think ?

This whole experience is reminiscent of one trial lawyer and one school board member who demanded that the Citzen follow their dictates and silence all speech deemed critical by their respective boards of one. Again, as Spear Road Guy said, not a good idea. Don't like the speech? Answer it with more speech.

So, I join you Canine in your request to hear from Mr. Beverly--- perhaps on the Editorial page. Sometimes you get what you ask for !


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 1:20pm.

I have to confess that part of the fun in blogging is watching the sparring matches take place over various issues on the Citizen. This one has indeed proved exceptionally fun to watch.

You gotta love the tough talkin in your face congressional punk aide strutting up to Cal, pointing his finger in his face and then girly slapping him. Cal then gently shakes his head a little, rubs the little red spot on cheek, rears back and WHAMMY. Brian gets cold cocked and while falling backwards he takes Lynn down with him.

Let me ask you this. If Lynn's bonehead aide would have been a big boy and overlooked SadFayette's tacky comments then where would this story be today. It would have disappeared in days and no one would have remembered any of Sad's comments. But Nooooo.... Brian had to poke his chest out and show the authority he wheeled due to the prestigous position he held. And what happened? Lynn winds up on the front page of the Citizens Peachtree City edition all battered and bloody.

Man.....Mr. McGoo or whatever his name is couldn't have paid a consultant any amount of money to buy these kind of results. And the funny thing about it is that Lynn's bloodshed is from a self inflicted wound. Ole Lynn and company are kind of torturing themselves...wouldn't you say? All this makes the Cobert report look like childs play.

Well Lynn, in the end you will win in 06. However, 2008 is right around the corner and you've already got competition. Evil


Submitted by Jones on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 1:35pm.

I went and looked at Mike McGraw's web site Mcgraw for Congress and I liked what I saw compared to Lynn "Do Nothing" Westmoreland.

We know Westmoreland in valueless, so I'm not voting in the dumpster again. Sitting in the developers pockets and then trying to cover it up is reason enough.

Submitted by HarrisCountyGeorgia on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 12:06pm.

If you liked what you saw on his website, go to one of his Meet and Greets. I did and was impressed. He's a good public speaker, and very articulate one-on-one as well. You can tell he stands on his principles and that he won't be intimidated. Don't take my word for it, go meet the guy. Ask him some tough questions.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 1:41pm.

Mike McGraw doesn't mention it much of course, but he is a Democrat. Why would a district like ours want a first-term Democratic representing us in what is obviously going to be a Republican controlled congress (and Senate, for sure)?

Lynn isn't perfect, but he is a Repulican, will vote with Bush and support sensible ideas such as the Fair Tax.

Mike is probably a nice guy, but this is a Republican district and we should have a Republican representative. Maybe Mike could beat Lynn if he promised to switch parties after the election.


Submitted by Hardtack on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 7:59pm.

Well then vote for Osamma if he is on the republican ticket--couldn't be worse than a democrat! I assume you were being satirical but if not, you are one of our problems in this country. Vote for a decent person--not a "ticket." It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be a politician. They only stink bad if they serve more than one term.

Submitted by swmbo on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 6:56pm.

Continue to vote against your own best interests. They love it; they count on the hoodwinked and the loyalist zombies. Westmoron has done Nothing for this district. Well, I mean, nothing for the working people of this district. (I challenge you to name a specific thing he has done to positively impact this district.) He has been a well-behaved, high-priced wh@re for corporate America but, that should come as no surprise. The "little people just don't corrupt -- I mean, pay well enough (even for a guy who is proud of having done nothing).

Honestly, using your logic, what is the qualitative difference between a do-nothing public-welfare queen (the functional equivalent of a non-performing public servant) and a first-term Democrat, anyway??? The fact that Westmoron can be counted upon to support torture, destruction of the international standing of our country, a bullcrap war, reduction of veterans' benefits at the same time that they are coming home in need of substantial medical assistance and mental health support, giving away public lands to oil and gas croneys, spending this country into indentured servitude to the Chinese and India ... (a.k.a. the Bush agenda) -- that should be enough to make you see that voting for Westmoron is virtually suicidal.

GO MCGRAW GO!
GO MCGRAW GO!
GO MCGRAW GO!

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 4:54pm.

That is right Mike McGraw is a Democrat. Not a repedophile....ooppppss I'm sorry I ment republican. Yeah that's it. The same people who just gave away yet another 70 billion dollars last week to increase the ferderal deficit even further. That's just what our kids and grandkids need more senseless debt to pay off.(actually I don't care about that, because I don't have kids)

As long as he doesn't have any icky text messages with teenage boys, he gets my vote.

For the record I'm much worse off since repedophiles.........ooooppppssss sooooorrrryyy, I mean since republicans have taken over.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 8:14pm.

You've gone whacko on attacking the Republicans lately. Have you looked on your side lately and over the years. Let's stick to trashing the individual pricks (I think it's ok to say that as others seem to have set the precedent)on both sides that deserve to be trashed on. So please knock it off with the repedophile comments. You've got your share on your side.

As for the Democrats and the Republicans I think most would say at this point: "What the hecks the difference anyways"?


Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 9:43pm.

I used to be a Republican.........but I will not just blindly follow.

repedophiles are killing this country. Sorry this Mark Foley thing is too much to ignore.

I'm sorry I love you man(by the way bring back the lion). I have to call a spade a spade. We can agree to disagreee.

ps: any congressman who is a pedophile while collecting my tax money needs to go to prison! I'm sick of these whack idiots. No matter which party they belong to.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 10/02/2006 - 8:11am.

Pedophilia has nothing to do with being a Republican and it's silly to insinuate that point. That's a cheap and useless shot. Let's agree that these guys need to be taken out and shot in the head regardless of party. I'm pissed (can I say that?)this was apparently being covered up. That happens on both sides of the aisle unfortunately and in a bi-partisan effort these guys need to be taken down regardless of party affiliation. All I'm asking is that you don't politicize this issue. Your argument is like saying one party lies and the other doesn't. They're both corrupt.

And your right about the Mark Foley thing. It is too big to ignore. He's out of office now he needs to be punished severely.

The Lion's resting. I've noticed since I've brought George Foreman onto the scene as my personal body guard the racist rhetoric has been minimized. Smiling. I guess if I started calling myself a Democrat I could get away with talking about race issues without everyone slamming me. LOL. Maybe I'll bring him back for a spell.


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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 5:22pm.

Not to be personal, but just how are you worse off? All taxpayers got a tax cut, at least temporarily if they are not extended or made permanent.

Interest rates are low as is unemployment, consumer confidence high, housing market slowing but good, gas prices falling.

Do you want to pay more taxes?

Now if they could take the example of Galveston County and at least partially privatize Social Security you would definately be better off than with our current ponzi scheme. After that the fair tax would help people to save!


Submitted by Hardtack on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 6:39pm.

Somehow, I smell libertarian. Kinda like the old fur trappers in the Rockies of old. They didn't even want an army. Didn't care who run "things" as long as they weren't bothered. Works with 10 million people, doesn't with 300 million here, and 7 billion elsewhere, who want what they think we have robbed. Major, I can't imagine that you make enough money to profit very much from the high wage earner tax reduction proposed by Bush. Why not give the tax break all to the middle? You may get several hundred dollars break as a retiree, especially since TAXES are paying for your retirement. Not many can say that anymore, not even from the Blue Chips. By giving all the breaks to the few above $100,000 dollars wages and simply forgetting about the majority of the population in the middle, we will destroy our good thing in America. In all of history, when 10% rule, they have destroyed themselves by usurption.

Submitted by blabbermouth on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 6:36pm.

about anyone else, but I refinanced my house several years ago at a lower interest and shaved off a few years too. My interest bearing accounts are drawing more, so yes, I'm better off.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 7:13pm.

A few years ago the interest rate for a ten year mortgage 4.5%. I Now I only have 8 yrs left. What are the interest rates today for the same mortgage?? Going online I find 6% and up....not better .......much higher.......but better for investors....so it is a wash I guess.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 6:28pm.

We have had at least five interest rate hikes since bush took office, unless you have birthcontrol failures to wright off, no tax breaks, in fact my taxes have gone up, the last 2 years(my fault for being successful) housing market is tanking, not slowing. My investments in the European market are doing well, and small cap holding it's own overall.

Gas prices are falling because it is the election season, snap out of it.

We should fully privatize social security, so I could get all of my money back.

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Submitted by muddle on Mon, 10/02/2006 - 4:44am.

That's right: The Fed has jacked the rate several times in the last year or more. Isn't this a strategy for SLOWING an otherwise fast-paced economy?

"Investments in the European market?" I have some of those too: every once in a while I pick up a six-pack of Guinness.

I am reminded of a line from Jeff Foxworthy: Sophisticated people invest in stock portfolios. Rednecks? NASCAR commemorative plates.

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Photo: Cocoa Beach, Sept. '06


Submitted by Jones on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 4:45pm.

To answer Robert W. Morgan, if Rep. Lynn Westmoreland is the best our local Republican Party has to offer, then we ought to vote Democrat until they can produce a decent candidate. Right now, we are enabling horrible representation.

Having a Democrat is one thing; having a bumbling fool is another.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 10:33am.

This is why it's important to know your candidates BEFORE you vote for them. I voted for Dylan Glenn. Everyone else voted for Westmoreland because it was the "cool" thing for Republicans to do. Way to go Cal!


Submitted by IMNSHO on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 1:27pm.

I voted for Dylan Glenn, too. Wish he was still around.

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Submitted by cowtipn on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 10:34am.

When Lynn runs for governor.


Submitted by johenry on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 12:34pm.

It's that time of year again. The e-mails cited in the news story above are nothing more than Mr. Robinson's audition for the Nutcracker. He just took the term "nutcracker" a little too seriously.

Submitted by zinger25 on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 8:20am.

Mr. Robinson, I have a journalism degree, and 25 years in the PR biz at levels far higher than working for a rookie congressman.

Beyond your incredible arrogance, your lack of knowledge is inexcusable. First, as a public figure, your boss is NOT covered by common libel law; second, what was written, taken on its face, would never meet a legal standard for libel. If Joe Smoe decided to stand on the street corner with signs saying the exact same things, he'd have every right to do so. Posting those things on a blog is no different.

Moreover, your veiled legal threats themselves constitue harrassment; without the full intention to sue, the Citizen could hold YOU liable and take legal action against you.

I'm sure, Mr. Robinson, you're proud of reaching full status as a congressman's press secretary. Your actions in this matter, however, should leave you embarrassed.

I'm a Republican who voted for Mr. Westmoreland. But I'll admit, I'm having second thoughts and maybe in two years, I'll have a choice.

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Submitted by KraftyFla on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 10:27am.

Good Ole Lynn....He has made a career of dishing out the nasties but now that he is on the receiving end, he is whining away. Well, Lynn, cry me a river.

Lynn Westmoreland will have at least one opponent in the GOP primary in 2008.


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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 7:09pm.

Westmoreland can't remember all of the Ten Commandments and he can't remember all of the Bill of Rights either, specifically the First Amendment.

Lynn, if you're smart, you'll can the little Brian Robinson aid. Threatening the news media is a stupid idea!

Looking at the "Developer deep pockets blog," it's pretty clear why you might want to lie about the true motive for TDK. What an embarrassment!

You can't file an attack lawsuit to hide the truth. The truth always surfaces sooner or later.

Vote Republican (except for Westmoreland)


Submitted by FayetteFirst on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 12:09pm.

I think that if WASTEMORON serves another term, lin gets full 100% retirement and medical, for lin and his wife for the rest of their lives.
He doesn't even pay Social Security.
Wish I had that deal.
I wish we all had that deal.
I will not vote for lin and leave the box next to his name as empty as lin WASTEMORON's head.
How did we let this happen to us?
What happened to the "Do Nothing" Republican party of Fayette County?

Submitted by Concerned Citizen on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 3:58pm.

I'm no Westmoreland fan but your post is very wrong. I used to get very upset at the idea that politicians paid no taxes. I hated the idea that they got away with stealing our money. Not true. They pay the SAME taxes you and I do and they have the SAME retirement pension for federal employees.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 4:33pm.

As far as retirement benefits are concerned, Members of Congress who were elected after January 1, 1984 participate in same retirement plan as all other federal employees -- the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS).

But you forgot to mention that congress has the power to vote itself a raise whenever it feels like it.

Members of Congress have the only job in the country whose occupants can set their own salary without regard to performance, profit, or economic climate.


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 7:08pm.

If he is afraid of anything in this paper, that tells me all I need to know about Westmorland's character. There is definitly something wrong with him.

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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 6:57pm.

Now all we can do is guess who sadfayette is (and I do know) and those of you who want to guess can choose from the following list

Dan Tenant
Steve Brown
Steve Rapson
Bob Stalder
Janet McGregor
Christy Rapson
Gary Rower
Donna O'Kelly
Dan Lakly
Bill Bonner
Jim Steinbach
Rex Green
Lynn Amos
Jim Cole
Roy Huff
Jim Webb
John Mrosek
Mike Hyde
Carol Fritz
Jimmy Booth
Stan Neely
Bob Bernstein
Gerard Jansen
Greg Creighton
Linda Strickland
Murray Weed
Lee Coleman
Bob Choate
Sam Chapman
Frank K. Wood
Jimmy Buffet
Frank Murphy
Aileen Southern
Jan Trammel
Mike Faulkner

Good Luck, I doubt anyone will guess correctly, but if more than 2 do get it right - I'll say so.

meow


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Submitted by Fins on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 9:35pm.

It's spelled Buffett, not Buffet.


Submitted by lowrider on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 7:17pm.

Talk about dropping names from way back. The only old knockers you left out were Frances Meaders, the likable guy Jim Basinger, Mrs. listen to my life's story Sallie Saterwhite, and Annie McMennimen (yada, yada, yada). Out of the 35 individuals you mentioned, I personnaly know at least 23 of them. Most of the 23 I know can't be to critical, as they have also violated many commandments. As for Jimmy Buffet, don't know him but I like his music. By the way, I live in a glass house so in this case I won't throw any stones.

Submitted by Hardtack on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 7:44pm.

Doesn't Jimmy Buffett belong to the PTC Luthern Church? Yeah, I know him. He peddles some of Dr. Frank's rummytism remidoeds for him in Margaretteville. Some of the Citizen writers write the Parade Ads for the the well proven remedies. They have a constant need of such "writers" as there has been an ad in his paper for yers for more writers! Must go through them like water over Niagre. The ten foot fences now being built on mexicanos border have already been comprmised. Manuel and Pancho have already started a chain of stores on the mucicalu side, called "Manuel's "eleven" foot ladders, with a 10 foot rope for other side, for sale. The same people who buy house trailers, watch Springer, Oprah, WWF, Lost, Real Stuff, and think Sonny is a genius, are the same ones who buy Dr. K's junk.

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Submitted by nuk on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 7:12am.

aka "Dr. Frank K. Wood"(LOL!) aka Frank Cawood of FCA. What do I win? Lifetime supply of Roach-Proof?

NUK


Submitted by snitch on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 7:31pm.

WHO CARES!

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Submitted by Basmati on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 7:10pm.

Mudcat, if you spent as much time tutoring your kids as you do speculating on aliases here, they might get out of remedial classes.

Seriously, your constant barrage of "oh, this is STEVE BROWN!" "oh, this is JANET WELLS!" is quite boorish.


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Submitted by mudcat on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 7:16pm.

My kid is smart enough to fly his plane off a carrier and land it again for our country and the President you are obviously mocking with your icon.
If your boorish post is a vote for Steve Brown or Janet Wells, your are wrong twice, but I guess you are used to that.
meow


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Submitted by Basmati on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 7:30am.

He must get his smarts from his father.

Speaking of which, didja ever positively establish paternity?

They've got some fantastic DNA tests nowadays, but they are a tad pricey. You might want to narrow the suspects down to about a dozen or so before you start testing.


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Submitted by nuk on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 7:52am.

It's useless garbage posts like this that are purely personal attacks that will likely cause this forum either closed or pre-moderated. People just can't control themselves or act like adults. I feel like I am debating with 7 year olds sometimes.

NUK


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Submitted by Basmati on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 8:25am.

Ah, the other member of the "Steve Brown Is To Blame For Virtually Everything Wrong In Peachtree City Even To This Day" club shows up.

The Knight In Whining Armor valiantly attempts to defend the remaining honor of his fellow beloved Brown basher Mudcat.

Your situational outrage is duly noted, Nuk head.

As an aside, your continual use of the word "asinine" in your posts might be more a bit more trenchant were you to spell it correctly Smiling


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 7:06pm.

You don't know. Where did you get Jimmy Buffet?

Submitted by Eliza on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 6:35pm.

Westmoreland hasn't seen fit to go to bat for the citizens of Fayette County who are affected by the poisons released by the PSC plant . . . and he says that this paper - which has been wonderful in covering the PSC issue - is only fit for lining bird cages?

And he complains that the Citizen has not printed anything positive about him?

What's positive to print about him??? I can't think of a thing. He is in office ONLY because so many people go to the polls and vote without bothering to really inform themselves about the candidates and the issues. He is utterly worthless to the majority of the citizens of Fayette County.

Submitted by Hardtack on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 3:41am.

Bad politicians come to us by way of the polarized right wing who refuse to vote for any label except republican! It is hard to understand. They aren't all Kennedys!

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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 4:55pm.

Well, maybe I should say, "Stick to your guns, man."


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:54pm.

Robinson, in a follow-up e-mail, said when he told Westmoreland about the situation, Westmoreland replied: “Brian, don’t worry about it. All that paper is used for is to line bird cages.”

Wow Wee...that's a deep one.

Lyn's bird cage comment is about as unoriginal and lame as it gets. If that's the best your mind can come up with then it justifies our opinions on how shallow and empty you really are. Do you not know how you validate your ignorant appearances on the Colbert and torture episodes by coming unglued on Cal?

How petty do you appear with this whole issue.

Dang Lyn...how about the time you whispered over and told a crowd of us that: "You know...that my opponent Dylan Glenn's a black guy" Wink Wink. Guess that makes me libelous too.

Well guys, we get to add another one to the Wastemoreland Do-Nothinger stupid comments and actions scoreboard.

Lyn....can I get my campaign cotributions back that I gave you way back when?


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Submitted by Basmati on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 4:01pm.

Lynn Westmoreland hasn't forgiven Cal Beverly for endorsing that carpetbagger Dylan Glenn (anyone seen him around lately, btw?) in the last election cycle.

It looks like it's gonna be a race to the bottom of the barrell, but I think Mitch Seabaugh is leading with his "I am under no legal obligation to tell you where I am employed" schtick.

You know that I am a dyed-in-the-wool capital-D Democrat. So take what I'm about to say to heart: Lynn Westmoreland is going to be re-elected, no matter what. His Democratic opponent, Tim/Kevin/Mike/Tug/Quickdraw/Whatever-the-hell-his-name-is McGraw is just not a credible candidate.

Therefore, it's up to you Republicans to send ole Lynn a message. On a good day, he coasts to victory with 75-80 percent of the vote (thank you, Republican Redistricting!). If you Repubs must up a protest and vote AGAINST him, he'll still win, but probably by 55% or less of the vote. THAT, and that alone, might make Mr. Above-the-fray Westmoreland sit up and take notice that he is not tending the home fires adequately.

Maybe in the next election cycle you fellows can come up with a better candidate.


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Submitted by fancypants on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 8:05am.

It's people like you who give Democrats a bad rap. Your goal seems to be to just irritate and annoy, rather then to convince anybody of your point of view.

I find that quite a poor motive to troll on thecitizen.com.


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 6:15pm.

I just placed a bet at 59% to another gentleman's pick of 65%. Hope your right so I can collect on that lunch. I just wonder how popular Lynn will be in four years as he reaches out to be our Governor. Talk about justification from our Northern neighbors to polk fun at Southerners. That ought to do it.


Submitted by Hardtack on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 3:25am.

He likes this publicity, and so does his supporters. Won't you right wing folks simply get rid of some of these "professionals" and get some decent politicians, if there is any to find for you? I say right wing because most of you used to be democrats until segregation was eliminated.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/29/2006 - 7:57am.

Isn't it obvious that many of us right wing folks are trying to get rid of this "professional" clown?

I say right wing because most of you used to be democrats until segregation was eliminated.

You my friend could use a little Pepto there buddy because it's running loosely out of you mouth. You clean out the pond scum from your party and we'll work on it from our side. Do I need to list for you the freaking clowns you guys have defended all these year?

Segregation..... The true Conservatives that I hang with are the ones that fought the Democrats who were blocking the freedom movements of the Blacks. Are you that stupid or are you intentionally trying to deceive?


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 09/28/2006 - 3:59pm.

If Cal and The Citizen equate only to being a "bird poopy droppings catcher" then why are you so desperate and threatening in the your defense with your vicious and goofy threats?

We're gonna have fun with this one ain't we folks.


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